John Cashman I agree. Kirk was fantastic in Seattle in 1989. He was so good, he only used wah for 30 seconds in a 7 minute solo. Wah is good for a short time. But now Kirk puts it in every solo he can.
Metallica: So Dave you still remember how to play these songs?...... Dave: No shit there mine... Metallica: O YEA! we forgot we stole them.......ANYWAYS! CHANGING THAT SUBJECT! XD!!!!!!
Dan Tull Well if you're the one playing the solo for a song for almost 30 years and then you're put into rhythm guitar for once of course you are going to be lost. I would be, especially if the person playing the solo is playing it differently than how it's normally played live.
SNGHammiam technically, how Dave is playing the solos is probably how they were originally composed before Kill 'Em All was recorded. I read somewhere that Kirk would play the initial bars to Dave's solos before changing them up to his own style.
look at Hetfield's reaction when Dave starts playing at speed 10:32, he's like fuck I knew I shouldn't have fired this dude! Oh and for the record I dig Kirk too :)
I don't believe the band really fired Dave for his lack of soloing ability. If that were the case, they might have sacked him even before they cut their first demos. Really what it was, I think, is that Dave's a leader, and Lars & James are leaders also. That many leaders invariably leads to dispute and they had enough of those even in the short time Mustaine was in Metallica. It would still be the same today, I believe, if Mustaine & Metallica ever worked together. You may grow up and become a little more diplomatic but your basic personality never changes.
@@brianm2881 James and Lars have explained many times why they fired Dave and it was not for his lack of soloing nor disputes over opinionated arguments from three leadership type guys in the band clashing wow really ? ? ? James and Lars said it was because of Dave's crazy scary destructive drinking behavior that was seemingly growing looking like something really bad could come from it so they fired him that simple and if you go here on RU-vid there is actually live footage that I saw of Metallica way back in their early early years before Kirk was even in the band and Dave was in the band and in this footage Dave is clearly really fucked up saying really weird overly long rants into the microphone before songs when he is not even the lead singer and at one point you see James Hetfield look over at Dave after his rant and James the way he says are you all rite now Dave are you ready and dave just stands there oddly and says nothing and then they go into the next song . As i saw that I thought yeah I can see some of what they were meaning and that Dave was irritating them . Dave was just a crazy alcoholic and the ways the alcohol was making him act bothered them and they didnt want him acting a fool like that in the band and on stage but another thing I saw was they were all really young and in mature yet back in those early band years . With that being said though no disrespect to Dave Mustaine though and he is an amazing musician and in my eyes he will always be an original Metallica member to me and he really is I would love to see Dave get with James and Lars and Kirk and Rob now a days as I speak and colaborate with them and see what they would create and I know they could easily and it would sound epicly killer .
I love both Megadeth and Metallica, though I've always sided with Metallica in that "fued" they had. That all being said, nobody plays Kill 'em All, not even James Hetfield, as well as Dave Mustaine.
OMG it's like the Beatles reuniting!! I've waited "YEARS" to see this happen!!!!!!!!!!! How about a new Metallica album with Dave??????????? Now if they can just get Jason back my life would be complete!!!!!!!!! I could die happy!
It's cool to watch both Dave and Kirk play the same parts at the same time. I say do what the Foo Fighters did -- there is no reason that they can't make an album with both Hammett and Mustaine.
Anyway, as I was saying, They have two different styles that show in their music (ie, what instruments they use, how they use those instruments, how they perform live, the sound of their music, ect.). I actually like both, but I prefer Metallica over Megadeth. If you look at it from a certain perspective, Kirk is now in a position that Dave once held. That isn't just a random coincidence. Kirk has a very unique sound, yes. But it is similar to Dave's. Just listen to some of their solos.
6 minutes into watching it my 10 year old son says,You know what I notice? All those guys from Metallica are walking around, looking everywhere, & Dave is staring at his guitar the whole time." How observant. I bet nobody else noticed it. I didn't. Awesome show regardless.I hope this brings about some tours together, in The States.
Dave wasnt kicked from metallica, he fired james, lars and cliff to name the band megadeth, haahahahahahahahahaha trololololoololololololololoolololollololololoo
@caamagno fue? ya se murieron? dejaron de vender albumes? dejaron de crear música? ooooh, ahora a Megadeth entra al salon de la fama? ahora Megadeth los invitan al Rock in Rio? HAHAHAHAHAHHA Envidiosos everywhere...
@youmirindude For the first 300 views on a video, RU-vid doesn't care how you get them. You could refresh the page 300 times and they would all count as views. However, once you get to 300, RU-vid only updates your view count every few hours to be sure that your views are legit. That's why there are more likes than views.
@MasterTutorial1 no han muerto pero dejaron de hacer la musica como antes y no esta del todo mal, pero eso de vender albums y rock in rio y el hall of fame...creo que en el rock n roll hall of fame hay mas raperos y pendejos que verdaderos musicos, creo que el rock in rio invita escorio como slipknot y katy perry, creo que megadeth y metallica simplemente son diferentes ni mejor ni peor pero eso que dices es una estupidez
Metallica is playing kill em all. So when the fuck is megadeth gonna start playing killing is my business? I'd love to see "these boots" be played live again with Chris Poland. This is awesome that they had mustaine go up there tho, thanks for the footage.
@HabeasMortis Rust in Peace doesn't stand a chance against peace sells...Friedman is great but is over rated by megadeth fans just like kirk in metallica. But you want to know something great? The first two records of Megadeth BEFORE Friedman and Menza.
I know the whole history of metalicca the death of cliff on the tour bus when it flipped crushing cliff when it flipped losing cliff was sad james looking for a replacement between dave and jason those were his pics so dave and his playing well it went to jason from voivod and flotsam and jetsam metalicca was renewed from garage days revisited and so on david went to his band megadeth peacecells broke loose that was it from them both never had a grudge but all get a taste from the past now i am going to listen to burxum and mayham another piece of dark history
@briantoronto666 yea , but milanica version , it's multicam...you know...he downloaded all hd videos , and he mixed it with the better audio, it's a pretty good version
ok puedo soportar q vuelvan a tocar juntos y q mustaine le enseñe a kirk como se tocan las canciones .. pero la idea q se les ocurra hacer un disco con mustaine colaborando seria como volverles a regalar credibilidad , seria como 30 años atras cuando le robaron sus canciones y por eso se hicieron famosos los estaria poniendo devuelta en el mundo del thrash y NO MUSTAINE NO PUEDE HACER ESO NO PUEDE TROPEZAR DOS VECES CON LA MISMA PIEDRA T.T
Al fin justicia a las canciones que escribió Mustaine hace más de treinta años... Dave es increíblemente talentoso e infravalorado, es un gran artista. Metallica con Mustaine no habría funcionado, demasiado choque de egos con Hetfield. Dejen las peleas en paz, lo importante es que podemos tener a 2 grandes bandas, Metallica y Megadeth!!
@mirettidario -claro por eso en la gira pasada tocó 2 shows en argentina, muy pocas canciones y en acá en mexico dio 4 shows incluso siendo headliner de un mega festival, pero ademas en palabras de Mustaine, Colombia fue el mejor publico de la gira, argetina ya fue, superenlo
@danhetfield eso es completamente verdad, solo espero que metallica deje de hacer huevadas como lulu y haga un disco con mustaine por lo menos, el colo se lo merece, creo que megadeth está en el mismo nivel que metallica sin dudas...
@mirettidario si, pero si estuvieran en colombia no seria un tornado sino un huracan de publico, 100 mil personas en el simon bolivar, por eso fue que mustaine dijo que el mejor concierto de la gira del thirteen fue en colombia ;)
Ron Quintana asked Lars what he thought about metallica or metal mania for a metal magazine and Lars told him he likes the metallica name for his band, so Ron used metal mania for his fanzine. James went to rehab for alchoholism and I'm assuming pain killers from blowing out his back in Atlanta, but mainly cuz his wife made him, addiction is addiction, but I think there's a huge difference from alcoholism and heroin, you can tell drugs have taken their toll on Dave.
There's a big difference between doing drugs recreationally and being addicted/od'ing on heroin, you can see they (metallica) still look good, always goofing off being human, and Dave is always so serious, he should let go of the past because he's built a great band, his problem is he still wants to be in Metallica, he wrote a few riffs in the short time he was in metallica, you're giving him too much credit. So, if you think Metallica are musical thieves, who wrote Master, Justice and so on??
What's there to innovate? They've done it all, load/reload, orchestra, Lulu. Now 3D movie. What other rock band has provided a soundtrack to a poetry reading? They've been the innovators for the last 30 years. The fact that James still runs out high fiving at 50 is awesome, these guys still put a lot of energy into their shows. Would be cool to see a full Megadeth/Metallica tour.
Dios!, me he comprado una peluca para estos carnavales como el pelo de Mustaine y un vestido de tabernera del oeste y un liguero con una pistola. Parezco una auténtica fulana. Me voy a echar unas risas con mis amigas.....
Well said brother, unfortunately a lot of people can't enjoy both bands, it's either one or the other, at the end of the day it's all music and they are all excellent musicians, yes, even Lars is good at what he does. He's not a technical drummer and openly admits he has no interest in being one, but still great nonetheless.
@Ivan Never said he was better, Kirk's solo is a better fit for the song, you can hear Dave in '82, they're both great players (obviously), but I can't see Dave in the load era lol, I just think Kirk is a better fit for Metallica, and Dave for Megadeth. Dave is faster, Kirk is more soulful?? I wouldn't say one is better than the other, we all have our own styles.
It's not that metallica does it for money, you can tell if you've gone to one of their shows However, they've really gotten soft over the years, they have no more ambition, they're not angry at the world, they don't want to innovate their music. Dave has always been an angry, ambitious and skillful man, lately though it seems he's starting to go soft as well
^^ yes Metallica clearly looks like they're not enjoying themselves (sarcasm) they put a lot of energy into their shows. They're two completely different bands, why compare them? Cuz Dave was in Metallica for a few months? He clearly didn't belong, music and personality, good thing he got kicked out or there wouldn't be megadeth.
Notice that Kirk went up to Dave, no ego there, Dave can play faster, sure, but not better. Kirk's solo's have a lot more clarity then what Dave is playing. Dave is just all over the place, and he just looked pissed, Kirk is all smiles, they made the right decision in '83, Dave's personality does not fit in with Metallica.
hahaha Kirk se abre completamente de los solos de lira y el trabajo solo es para Mustaine... pero a mi punto de vista, como k Mustaine nu encaja ia en Metallica... Me late mas en Megadeth \m/
@full91Maiden La verdad es que Dave Mustaine puede elegir que hacer y que no hacer... Después de 30 años y con todo este rollo que ha pasado (Big Four)...Ya ha demostrado quien es el mejor...estando solo.
Don't get me wrong, I love Dave too but if you watch the metallica RU-vid channel in the tuning room they're always in a good mood and joking. It's rare to see Dave happy. He is megadeth, I can't see him writing a solo for the black album or load, you know what I mean?
@vlmmosto He hasn't played these songs in 28 years, besides that ALL of Kirks solos on Kill 'Em All were stolen from Dave. I say take your foot out of yur mouth and just enjoy the damn music. If you want to get into it seriously, Dave Mustaine is a better song writer than Kirk Hammet will ever be.
una cosa , NO SABEN DISFRUTAR UN RECITAL! , pareciera que estan viendo opera . Si ese recital fuese aca en argentina seria un tornado en publico , Por eso mustaine ama aca a argentina!
@rhorschack Mustaine, Ron McGovney and Lloyd Grant joined them on a different song. The vid is uploaded if you search for it. It's pretty cool that they included Lloyd because he was only on lead guitar for a very short time around 1982.
Your not offending me, I like em both, they are two completely different guitarist, two completely different bands. It's all preference, I like Coke instead of Pepsi, that is an equivalent comparison if you ask me.
Yes, seen them with nick and Marty, he's always the same, always stiff, not a big deal, Metallica just seem more relaxed and in tune with the crowd a little more, my opinion anyway, still love 'em both, not hating.
way to ruin the moment with an idiotic comment like this considering the constant bickering of "Mustaine is better!!!" "NO KIRK IS BETTER" "DAVE" "KIRK" and so on....cant they just both be great guitar players. they are.
i think Dave should do a guest guitar part on Metallica's next album. and i heard Dave wanted to do a Megadeth/Metallica super group with Him, Ellefson, James, and Lars. the perfect name for that group could be Megatallica. XD
@paochoua I think hate and tension was what fuelled the early Metallica sound though. They never really replicated that amount of raw aggression again after Kill Em All in my opinion.
This gives me goose bumps,I'm so glad the bullshit is over with finally after all these years! I wouldn't be surprised if you see them all do something together now.
@metalex1224 Wah is the easiest way to cover up sloppy playing. It's ok if it's used in moderation, maybe one in ten songs.........but not almost every damn song.
Dave Ellefson, Dave Mustaine, James Hetfield and Lars Ulrich should collaborate in do an album together down a completely new name, not Megadeth not Metallica.
fucking amazing! if anybody starts fighting over metallica and megadeth again after this im officialy going to find them and harm them in malicious ways
Agree %100. Dave is an amazing guitarist but he didnt fit in Metallica. They wrote some really good songs together but the best stuff either did was independent of each other. I've said in other posts that Dave's leads in Metallica were a mess. Kirk played them sooooooooo much better. However Dave more than forged his own legacy with Megadeth. With the split the fans got two outstanding metal bands! Even though it was bitter it was for the better.
Then again , Dave hasn't played that song in 30 years ... And to say that Kirk Hammett is a better guitarist ... Just listen to stuff like Rust in Piece and show me something that can compare that Kirk plays . I'm not saying Kirk is bad , he's the polar opposite of bad , but there is a reason why Mustain is a lead guitarist and Kirk is a rhythm guitarist . And it ain't hair length . Anyway , the Guitar trio was amazing, they should do it more often , and Dave should practice his Metallica songs
This must have been so hard for Dave having just underwent surgery for stenosis a few months prior. Although he can't move his neck the entire set, his lead still kills 'em all, I think James' verbal introduction for Dave was very nice, but his response to his later request for a collaboration was jerk answer, esp. for a guy who helmed a foundational cornerstone. Pulling Dave in for a NWoBHM trash album would have been SO much better than LuLu.
Jump in the Fire just exudes 'Mustaine' from every orifice. Had Metallica not put it on K E A I think it would have fit in perfectly with the tunes on PS...BWB. It's cool to see Metallica appreciate everything Dave did for them, and it's cool for Dave to put all the shit in the past and get up on stage with them. I'm personally a MUCH bigger Megadeth fan, and I really haven't liked anything Metallica has done post Justice, but i'll pay this. Hopefully Megadeth can keep releasing solid records.
Both Mustaine & Kirk are great guitar players ..!! Mustaine is insanely fast . His earlier guitar solos in Peace Sells , KIMB and So far so Good ..So What albums are undoubtedly some of the greatest and underrated metal solos . Kirk is good at melodic and slower tempo stuff ..great solos in Sanitarium , fade to Black and Ride the lighting , but isn't nearly as lighting fast as Mustaine ..!! People who argue and fight over who's better are either little teenagers or complete metal noobs ..!!
I'm glad they're all on good terms now but jesus christ does Dave just suck when it comes to his decision-making process during solos: "Should I play it like on the album or improvise?" "IMPROVISE!" "Should I improvise tastefully and make it somewhat relative to what the original part sounded like at least in some small way?" "FUCK NO!!! IT'S TIME TO SHOW OFF SOME SHITTY WANKING THAT'S ONLY IMPRESSIVE TO PEOPLE WHO'VE NEVER PICKED UP A GUITAR IN THEIR LIFE!!"
@ynnadstrebor I somewhat agree on Lars(i still laugh when i think about a comment made here on YT saying hes a plump rotten troll,lol), but James' sobriety coupled with Rob's refreshing input allows them to play more special songs from the catalogue of rare stuff. Which is fine, if you ask me. I used to think to live is to die would never see the light and Mustaine on the same stage is like a piggy back ride on the LochNess-monster lol
Joe Satriani, who is considered one of the best guitar teachers of all time! Sure Dave is really good without lessons and may seem like the better player, but Kirk is obviously good enough to still write new music and have it sell like hot cakes! Again, I am not saying one is better than the other as they are different artists playing different music. And another thing... funnily enough... they LOOK similar O.O ! But enough of me wasting time typing long messages to stop ridiculous arguments!
Most of them sound like a random mess thrown together that is played at a crazy speed. Just because they are fast, doesn't necessarily make them better than other solos. And just because they sound like that to me doesn't mean that I don't like it :P. And especially in this instance, you should not compare them! As I stated before, they are two different players playing two different things! If you want to compare them, you should pay attention to the fact that Kirk has had lessons from...
Alright, I just want to say here and now, that I think that Kirk And Dave are equals. I will now go on to explain my reasoning behind this logic. If you watch them closely in the video, you'll notice that their playing styles are actually very similar to one another. But, on top of that, if you listen to what James says as he is announcing Dave, he says that he is doing "his thing". Metallica and Megadeth have two completely different ways of doing things when it comes to music. (Continued)
@EVILMAN48 meatal? that sounds fuckin brutal man. I think you just invented a new genre of metal whilst merely trying to troll us. congratulations. As far as Metallica sucking, well these days that probably is true (Lulu anyone?) but this reunion is pretty sweet, I'm surprised how great it sounds. I have seen Megaeth AND Metallica live on many mnay occasions and I can say without a doubt that Megadeth are the greatest live metal band on the planet. Metallica are inconsistent live.
Why fight about this? Can't you just accept that this is an awesome part of metal history? People that want to fight about this are probably one of two things; Too young to remember all that went on so they can't see past how amazing this is. Consider themselves, "elite" or whatever and think their crappy metal band that plays in the bar down the street in 100 times better than Metallica/Megadeth.
@vlmmosto Dave always referred to Megadeth as "speed metal" anyway and you've clearly not heard Endgame or Th1rt3en and sorry but Slayer have become a parody of themselves these days, as much as I used to love them now it's just the same album regurgitated over and over. At the end of the day it's down to personal choice, I have all of megadeth and most of Metallica's (mainly the early years) albums and the 'Deth ones get by far the most use in my house ;)
@flamingmanure no need to reply, i wont really look at them, im pretty sure that judging by your comments, your pride and ego filled personality will mostly drive you to ignore all of things i said, (even though there all true and you know it hehe), throw meaningless insults at me, and critisize dave. hell you might even criticize my grammar like most ppl in your situation. and while you do that ill be enjoying these 2 great, legendary bands. i hope you learn to do so too one day. good bye
@vlmmosto marty did play the solos on rust, but most were made by dave, yes you can write somthin you cant play, i did it that. i do recall this "shitty band" is one of the big four, u say tallica dominated dave? you forget that most of kill em all, the album that set the beginning of tallicas path to glory, was witten by mustaine. what really cracked me up is when you said deth fans are a joke, since you know bout rust so much, wouldnt that make you one? i guess a joke of a friend told u that.
@vlmmosto well i do agree that hes giving dave abit too much...but you should give mustaine more credit, you say hes only done 6 songs like it was nothing...thats almost 80% of the album, not to mention that kill em all is the album that started metallicas fame in the underground metal scene, if it wasnt for mustaine metallica would be very different from now, and if it wasnt for metallica there would not have been megadeth at all, so how bout we be greatful for those 2 bands? what do yah say?
@vlmmosto metallica focuses too much on their stage perfomance. megadeth nail their music. flawless.. metallica live performances are like a show, not just music.. i dont rly care about their show. i just go for music not for fireworks etc.ive seen both bands live, megadeth - awesome at the music part. metallica - not so good at the music part but too much effects, this improves the whole situation
