Metamodern Values Explained | Dr. Daniel P. Görtz | TEDxTUBerlin 

5:45 modern values 10:25 postmodern - 14:39 metamodern -

tips: play at x2 speed.

Can we ditch the word "modern" from future philosophical movements? It takes up so much typographical space...

This metamodern gibberish is even worse than the postmodern deconstruction. These are confused people trying to get out of their own lexical traps. Along the way they simply fall in love with their own words.

So much fluff. Good god, this speech could have been 5 minutes.

I cringe at anything in the area of "the latest step of development will lead you to OUR ideology which is of course the BEST and every rational human WILL subscribe to it."

I think the problem with this analysis is that vast communities of people, especially in the us, halve pre-modern values. For example US evangelicals largely reject modernity, much less post-modernity.

Why haven't you really explained anything (again, as usual)?😂

I'd like to ask. When is Ted himself going to talk?

"Epidemics more or less stopped" HhhmmHHhhMmmm

Take a shot every time he says 'values'.

take the positive aspects , discard the negative ones from both the ages and assimilate/synthesize them to bring in a cultural change/turn in tandem with the generation/era you live in and you get metamodernism! only the term is novel, not the idea behind it. the particulars change with the context and era, but the general idea remains the same and tbh, it is the need of every era otherwise we get stuck and more chaos ensues. always in flux. balance is the key they say.

To me the postmodern have never looked like they abandoned a faith in progress. They're giving more vibes of grasping onto it even harder like a bunch of revolutionaries that are doing whatever they can to grab power thinking that it'll help make their dreams come true in order to have progress at any cost necessary.

would have loved a practical example of a synthesis of conflicting worldviews. say, on an issue like abortion as conjoined to human rights.

This is a bunch of nonsense

“Modern values solved epidemics and war and state police oppression.” 🔮

One feature of Modernism was that it was the logical response to the Enlightenment but many modern artists were in the Counter Enlightenment tradition. This was achieved by exploring non-western cultures, questioning the role of progress, he rise of 20th Century chaos and Einstein's theories of relativism.

TEDx, your intro volume compared to video itself is too loud!! please fix it.

I thought he did a good job describing modernity. And only further gives me the conclusion that modernity is not progress. What many now call progress I see as the de-evolution of culture to that of the mass man. The values of the enlightenment have lead us to meaningless lives. The ultimate conclusion to mass egalitarian is the leveling of the world for nefarious purposes those purposes ultimately created to homogenize the world to produce more widgets and items we don’t even need. For now let us leave modern man to their “truths”. I say this now not to be concerned about the capitalist bourgeoise but for when things become serious at a global scale and for those men who know and can form into an unshakable bloc.

Modern values are fine, it's just that our deepest animal nature doesn't fit them very well. Few selfish/sociopathic but powerful people can spoil the whole effort, leaving us with long-lived systems standing on bad incentives. Therefore it's still a jungle, just way more complex.

Hate these long pretentious pauses

Is this for real? Nothing is being said, no claim, just observations, what a joke.

The postmodern position does leave us directionless...one doesn't know what to value in life ; whether or not to trust ourselves, our language, our own identity. it leaves us with no choice but to be ironical about just about everything ...then where will "meaning" come from in life ? Is there nothing to aspire to? Nothing worthwhile to achieve ? Is all progress meaningless?...I think it is at such points that recourse can be taken from a more synthesized value system..

Though largely agree, funny how some 'meta-modernists' speak as if folks can change their fundamental 'values' as easily as a suit of clothes.

Cowabunga, dude!

Haha "Epidemics more or less stopped"... If only...

Isn't this tautological? You assume that there are things like metamodern values and then try to facilitate the progress of value-development in people to get there. I know that this argument in itself is postmodern and it needs to be proven by modern values and the methods of science thereby combining modern and postmodern values. Okay i get the point now haha

Tbh vansire's song metamodernity lead me to this

Pity. The thing is still on rails.🤣

Booooring...

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Just not good. First learn something about Husserl, Heidegger, Levinas...

Great talk! Here are my two cents. If the fundamental principle of metamodernism is true, firstly that people perceive the world from developmental worldviews that proceed in stage-like fashion, and secondly, that the highest stage is the only stage to recognize this, then wouldn't all the other worldviews watching this completely miss the point about metamodernism and about this talk? It would be like explaining the importance of free speech to a religious fundamentalist, or telling a venture capitalist that biodiversity is more important than profits. I've played a lot lately with the idea of making a presentation of developmental thought that includes stage-specific explanations for all of the stages. So you could explain metamodernism in a framework explicitly suited for the modern worldview, or in a framework explicitly suited for the postmodern worldview, etc. But then again; what if these worldviews simply aren't capable of grasping the principle of developmental thought? Then the best one can hope for is to target the upper levels of the postmodern stage, those who are on the verge of transitioning to metamodern, but this is probably just 5% of the population, so the audience would be pretty slim. Lastly, I think it would be advantageous for a movement such as Metamoderna to engange and interact with other similar projects. The idea of developmental thought is not exactly new. There are dozens of developmental thinkers out there, and they all tend to agree to the basics, so why not include them in the argument and make a much stronger case? Metamodernism is not an isolated strain of thought. It is indebted to many people before it; Piaget, Gebser, Graves, Kegan. Oh, and did I forget someone? Hmmm... It seems to be just on the tip of my tongue... Could it be.... Oh nevermind, I'll think of it later.

Abandon Philosophy, do something .

Sounds like progress can be used as an excuse to “re-educate” religious communities.

0:08 I love Daniel. And I love TED. But because of your intro, I will never - *_NEVER_* - click on another XTUBerlin again. Ever. 💣👂💥😖🦻

This seems relatively incoherent to me. Were going to use science and tehcnology, meditation, mindfulness, psychology, introspection, and vague solidarity projects do make everything better for everyone? It just sounds like a globalist revision of modernism. How is it transcending the postmodern ideology and mindset? I guess you could say im a postmodernist and a pessimist by nature, but to me it just sounds like the speaker wants really hard to be less existentially depressed and has developed a coping mechanism called metamodernism that doesn't (at least from what i know so far) have much prescriptive value. Maybe it's deeper than it appears to be so far, I know TED talks tend to stay high-level, but it just sounds like a new coping mechanism rather than a big new movement to me.

This narrative relies upon inaccurate generalizations. Modernism did not yet solve every problem, and who claimed that it did? The fact that there are still cases of inequality in the world doesn't negate the trend or effectiveness of processes of modernism. That's like someone walking onto a construction site and complaining that the bathroom isn't useable when they haven't finished building the bathroom. It's a project, not a completed work.

great talk, simple language and good content

He kind of lost me when he wanted to praise the French revolution without praising the French revolution. How many more people hjave to die because we listen to idiots like this?

Is it really necessary to start it off with tinnitus-inducing, head-banging noise blasts? Think of your listeners! Turned it off before a word.

Who gave this guy a microphone? This is some of the worst public speaking I have ever heard.

Yeah, but is it still attacking liberalism as imperial and oppressive?😂

"epidemics have more or less stopped'" - oh that didn't age well

Post modern values and logic in the same sentence makes no sense at all.

I wasted 19 minutes of my life

Ohhhhhhh myyyyyyyy goooooooooood... I searched for this video, and my eyes glazed over anyways. I imagine it was informative, but he was the exactly average speaker.

i've just got this thought finished in my mind by my mind today, a few hours ago i said it to my gf. All what i said is what Dr Daniel said. Looking forward to talk with you Dr!

this was gold

That intro is stupidly loud.

Personally I see metamodernism a lot in our media, specifically movies. I feel once myths baby boomers die off the ideas of modernism will go with them. However we still have the postmodernist to deal with (cynical bunch.)

If you have enough posts, you'll be able to build a nice backyard fence.

So we had modernism, postmodernism, then post postmodernism and now metamodernism? Geez, they really stopped trying haven't they? Why not coming up with something totally cool and original like necromodernism or post mortem modernism, uh?

He keeps saying "meta-modern values" but does he ever name any of them? Nope. He mentions using science to help people, sounds like modernism with extra steps. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Great talk. Would be interesting to hear Görtz study and/or talk about Africa. Many countries are going to explode in population and industralise, but also in a philosophical sense become more western and deviate from traditional values. I've been working in the big port city of Abidjan for the last few months and it looks and sounds more like a European city than the small villages just a few hours away. Many people here have expensive watches, phones shoes and drink a lot (as in Europe), which seems a real departure from the traditional and spiritual values you associate with rural Africa. Would be interested in any literature on this but I'll look around myself

“ Castel “

Aestetics of Ted is hideous..

Best wishes, but your intro clip is jarring and doesn't set the scene and do the speaker justice

Love this, Great to hear about this!

only collectively. Guy is a sociologist. tell me I'm wrong hmm?

Good thing I don't look to others opinions of what makes sense to them compared to what makes sense to me. If people keep following the majority........ whom says "you need others to agree with you to know you're doing the "right" things for your life", you will enter that wide gate with them, and we all know where the wide gate leads to. Love is not based on rationality... its mysterious and phenomenal. People shouldn't compare themselves to others but learn to develop a healthy level of self love, and then learn to love another. When focused on, love becomes one with those following its narrow path of few inhabitants. People are steered by many things. The Holy Spirit being the only perfect master of mastering yourself. I can only tell you that Christ saved me... and I know it... regardless if that makes sense to others... matters not... my life is not existent for their simplistic opinions on whether my understandings make sense to them or not. If my logic is logical to them or not. If we truly desire to help others grow, we must first learn to think on the level of valuing life with high levels of respect, gratitude and grace. Knowing you are loved by God is a huge step in personal growth, yet many are continually unable to know this fact. Yet we're all on our own paths in the perfect spot we need to be in, in order to develop into the stages of spiritual evolvement, which is the only true evolving that occurs with humans as we are spirit beings inside animal bodies. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights. I see your efforts :)

Isn't he that kid from the Subway commercials?

Metamodernism sounds like a bunch of people trying to think like their more enlightened. But in reality fails to account for some of the most basic ideas and questions of life. Leading to nothing but nihilism.

Really ? We can trust science to fill that "hole in our soul" ?

Great to see a sister approach to Integral and Spiral Dynamics

I am for Metamodernism, but I have three critiques: 1)We are clearly in the post modern age at this point. Trump and Trudeau would not be world leaders in a time that values science and dignity; also Gen X and Millennials are in middle age and their ironic cynicism has run rampant throughout society. 2)Metamodernism does not dictate specific values. You mention inequality, but that's assuming that people should value equality over things like stability and freedom. In fact the post modern movement is largely based around equality, "everything and everyone is relative and subjective" therefore equal. 3)It seems more like you're advocating a return to modernism with appeals to science, so the waters are a bit muddy in this video.

I find it difficult to swallow this pill, as it appears metamodernism is an attempt to remedy the fear, that comes with the idea that, its not necessary to figure out value structures, in order to maximize human potential or progress. Let nature take its course, rather than try to interfere with models or systems that continuously have to adapt around truth. Let truth do what it does best. You are not in control of how your fears act out. Both rationalizing or feeling our way towards truth wont help us ultimately cure our human condition. Metamodernism doesn't present a solution, but rather a temporary distraction for us to continue our narrative of progress. Just be, rather than be modern.

this doesn't make sense

What is this? Shouldn’t waste the label-meta! And, btw, what you are saying is known as the integral theory and has been around for quite a while. How did he get into Tedx?

Metamodernism is just dialectics with a dash of new-age.

The downsides of modernism you mentioned are not related to modernism. If some countries become richer because they embraced modernism and others do not because they still live by medieval standards that is not a problem of modernism itself. Postmodernism ("there is no truth and mathematics is only an opinion") is the destruction of modernism and backfall to superstition.

What is he saying when he says "castel".... does he mean castle??? It's confusing..... seems damned bright, but castel??? ....read the transcript, he is saying "castle" as in medieval structure", but pronounces castel. Geez, really. What else does he get wrong?

Drivel.

Jesus...

Jesus...

I'm all on board with anything that critiques postmodernism but I tire of these arguments that claim or imply that the problems with the modern world are a product of modernism. It's the same weak argument as claiming that the problems with modern capitalism comes from the idea of capitalism itself and not from people being corrupt and immoral. Did the modernist values create the inequality of the modern world? It's like asking if valuing rationality leads to irrationality and if valuing free speech leads to censorship. Of course not. So, it looks like the problems with the modern world come from a lack of modernism values. Solving the problems with the modern world would be the rational and scientific approach to progressing society. Is meditation a meta-modern tool or is it rational and scientific? Postmodernism is a reaction to modernism, not what comes after. Metamodernism appears to be a return to the perfection of modernism. Cuz integrating the issues that have arisen is the rational approach to progress.