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@SteamSoftworks
@SteamSoftworks 5 лет назад
“And to take it apart we have this button...” *Almost a full minute of labored breathing and struggling* “And one easy little button just like that and we have our assembly!”
@RobMontier-dx2go
@RobMontier-dx2go Год назад
Merde! Zut alors!
@VFRSTREETFIGHTER
@VFRSTREETFIGHTER 7 лет назад
I've never wanted to see footage of a firearm firing so bad.
@drevyek1785
@drevyek1785 7 лет назад
I know. I'd love to see the bolt rotating around. I wonder what the recoil is like?
@ineednochannelyoutube5384
@ineednochannelyoutube5384 7 лет назад
+Avalon Run Its also going to be first upwards as the bolt moves back, than downwards as the recoil assembly rotates upwards. Weird and wobbly.
@Aheitchoo
@Aheitchoo 6 лет назад
How do you he it???
@jroggs85
@jroggs85 5 лет назад
The grip looks like it would be very awkward. Are you supposed to hook your thumb around the stock frame?
@Xiones11
@Xiones11 5 лет назад
​@@M.T.... "However, the force striking the back of the receiver would probably be very significant, especially since there is no action mechanism to delay the bolt going backwards and waiting for the pressure to drop." The action mechanism is the flywheel. The force needed to spin the flywheel to get the bolt moving backwards is the same as if the bolt was three or four times heavier. The whole point of this action is that the weight is moved from the bolt into the flywheel so the bolt does not have to be as long or thick. This is the whole point of flywheel delayed mechanisms over straight-delayed blow back mechanisms. Straight-delayed use heavy bolts. Flywheel delayed use heavy flywheels and a transmission to achieve the same thing as heavy bolt. Lever delayed blowbacks use levers and mechanical advantage to do the same thing as a heavy bolt. These are all just different methods of slowing down bolt movement so chamber pressures have time to drop. They all do the same thing and simply have different recoil, weight, and complexity aspects.
@Tripp426
@Tripp426 7 лет назад
The fact that Ian forgot to or intentionally didn't edit out his struggle to get the cover off is brilliant.
@AM-hf9kk
@AM-hf9kk 4 года назад
Fun note: Merlin-Gerrin is still around. They make large circuit breakers among other things.
@greycatturtle7132
@greycatturtle7132 2 года назад
Lol
@eljaroebeukes5118
@eljaroebeukes5118 3 месяца назад
They were bought by Schneider electric.
@coitusergosum2447
@coitusergosum2447 7 лет назад
"Uh...Monsieur, we have a bit of an issue." "Well? Spit it out, Jean." "We had to replace our Gun Designeur last minute with a Jacque in the Box specialist."
@simoncampbell5802
@simoncampbell5802 7 лет назад
Coitus Ergo Sum Excellent
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 7 лет назад
I for one am supremely disappointed that this weapon does not play "Pop Goes the Weasel" during operation.
@coitusergosum2447
@coitusergosum2447 7 лет назад
The Rogue Wolf It may not Pop the Weasel, but it will pop the poor sod standing in front of it!
@kahlzun
@kahlzun 7 лет назад
you've got the only wounded-up positron shooter
@Jager_is_dead
@Jager_is_dead 7 лет назад
Coitus Ergo Sum Can't we use the Origami specialist Jean?
@georgerapp8502
@georgerapp8502 6 лет назад
French design philosophy: the French copy no one and no one copies the french
@florentleider222
@florentleider222 6 лет назад
there wazs atime when USA prefered to adopt rather than copy : during WWI : tanks FT17, 155 Filloux gun, airplanes , machine guns, etc...
@iDrive4fun93
@iDrive4fun93 6 лет назад
French tanks were the tank to have back in WW1.
@SmilingDevil
@SmilingDevil 5 лет назад
.... except for the magazine, those can be taken from the Hunns...
@theonecafard
@theonecafard 5 лет назад
You was speaking about RSA right ?
@itsmegzuz6197
@itsmegzuz6197 5 лет назад
The fucking barrel is from the mp40
@TheTuttle99
@TheTuttle99 4 года назад
One of the things I love about this channel is Ian never seems like he's reading a script or even wrote a script. He just has all this knowledge up in that skull of his
@Rixoli
@Rixoli 4 месяца назад
for future viewers: Because he does, barring one or two exceptions he does *all these videos in one take* and while he doesn't necessarily write a full script he does make a series of cliff notes to emphasize alot of the times
@p.k5096
@p.k5096 7 лет назад
Ian, you forgot to mention why this gun wasn't commercially successful
@ajeje1996
@ajeje1996 7 лет назад
Laird Cummings Which would make it a good gun for someone on the market for a small, concealable weapon. The vast majority of the public, however is understandably more interested in comfortable, performing weapons, since your average Joe has no need to shoot up a wedding or some such
@jacobbgraham
@jacobbgraham 7 лет назад
It sounded like there was someone from the museum standing near him, when Ian said "thank you", probably didn't want to talk smack about a gun in their collection with them right there. that's my guess at least.
@beavisbutt-headson3223
@beavisbutt-headson3223 7 лет назад
Jacob Graham He's in a Dutch museum talking about a wacky French SMG. My point being: Restraint out of respect/courtesy is almost definitely not the reason. I'm sure he just forgot because it's rather obvious.
@ThePandoraGuy
@ThePandoraGuy 7 лет назад
Maybe because it was french?
@GunFunZS
@GunFunZS 7 лет назад
Spree killers don't need concealable as much. If they are planning a spree then they can deal with hiding a cumbersome object in a large package, etc. They choose their own timing and location. Concealment is primarily useful for hidden responsive tools. i.e. Security, police, civilian concealed carry.
@rom65536
@rom65536 7 лет назад
...and then the mouse comes out and pulls on the cheese, the fan blows the boat across the bucket of water, the boat bumps a bowling ball which rolls down the hill and hits the back of the bolt, which pushes the firing pin forward, which fires the gun.
@IndrajeetRoy29
@IndrajeetRoy29 6 лет назад
We got anither Tom and Jerry fan here!!
@rickykemp
@rickykemp 6 лет назад
This made me genuinely lol
@user-jb9nz2fs2u
@user-jb9nz2fs2u 3 года назад
just get a revolver mouse trap
@Mibit911
@Mibit911 5 лет назад
*Struggles intensely* "One easy little button, just like that." What a madman
@fien111
@fien111 7 лет назад
So what I've learned of national firearms development from this channel is... France: One step forward, one step sideways America: Two steps forward, one step back Germany: One step forward. We shall advance in a calm, logical und repeatable manner! And vhy is this pin not serial stamped?! Russia: One step forward, one squat down. This is good place, da? We wait for others catch up. China: One step Brevets, eighteen steps BROWNINGS
@DazBull26
@DazBull26 7 лет назад
British: 50000 sideways steps never getting anywhere
@fien111
@fien111 7 лет назад
Nonsense.....that eventually gets you to Germany where it gets finished!
@irtazaazam2573
@irtazaazam2573 7 лет назад
Fien hahahaha man I wish I could give that comment more likes.
@Haaraff
@Haaraff 5 лет назад
Switzerland: One step forward - step, which leads us to leg. Maybe knee? What else works like a human knee? I know, let's make it a toggle lock!
@williambiondi5643
@williambiondi5643 5 лет назад
-T-X-M- Nah, the Italians have definitely the take “one step forward, just let me reinvent how walking works first,” approach.
@ristoalanko9281
@ristoalanko9281 7 лет назад
After WW I I all common SMGs (except Thompson) were stamped steel and simple round tubes. And then a frenchman designs a 1920s style clockwork SMG with expensive machined parts and expects commercial success. Nice gun, wrong era.
@agusti92
@agusti92 7 лет назад
doesn't look that expensive though
@florentleider222
@florentleider222 6 лет назад
patents were frozen during the whole WWII so the inventor applied for patents in 1940 but did not get'em before 1946. Hence the different approach (milling, etc..) from post war designs. It's not certain that the inventor was aware of the stamped sheet process applied to the MP38 (in 1938) when Merlin Gerin (the company he worked with) submitted the patent. The inventor designed also handguns, machine guns etc, without meeting commercial success.
@randomweirdo2701
@randomweirdo2701 6 лет назад
That design could easily be adapted to 3d printing using elastic polymer spring because of the pull action the rotary design allows. This is especially true if chambered in rimfire.
@Pilotgeek
@Pilotgeek 4 года назад
@@randomweirdo2701 Indeed. This definitely is an idea worth pursuing.
@aldi404
@aldi404 7 лет назад
Looks like something that Captain Nemo would have on the Nautilus
@michaelwilloya3510
@michaelwilloya3510 5 лет назад
This has to be one of my favorite Firearms designs. It is just ingenious. And that has to be one of the lightest bolts ever used in an open bolt blowback gun. I understand that it is probably not a good gun overall but it gives you a lot to think about in regards to Firearms design.
@BMW-M3_HK21E
@BMW-M3_HK21E 8 месяцев назад
yeah, I've never seen anything like it. however, I wouldn't be a huge proponent of winding up my gun
@timd729
@timd729 7 месяцев назад
What are you talkin bout this is a great gun. We would have to see it shoot before we can make that call
@Purlictor
@Purlictor 7 лет назад
In case anyone has the opportunity to visit the Dutch National Military Museum, it is well worth the time. It's a large, modern building with a huge amount of excellently maintained exhibits.
@ridge2542
@ridge2542 7 лет назад
Purlictor wapens en voertuigen :D
@sandervanduren2779
@sandervanduren2779 7 лет назад
Purlictor people should also visit Overloon
@Hirosjimma
@Hirosjimma 7 лет назад
And they're apparently not too difficult about approaching the vehicles. The vehicles are blocked off by a low barrier but if you step over said barrier to look inside the staff won't get mad. As long as you do so carefully of course.
@aquadragon1
@aquadragon1 6 лет назад
Mjaaa well i liked to old location a lot better. Not in the least oc because we lived almost next door as a kid.
@williamjones2970
@williamjones2970 7 лет назад
Of course he pronounces the french correctly. He is the gun Jesus.
@nathancardon233
@nathancardon233 6 лет назад
Except he didn't
@marcamant7258
@marcamant7258 6 лет назад
bien sûr sa prononciation n'est pas aisée mais on sent bien son effort et sa bonne volonté. En outre je pense qu'il n'y a pas grand monde autour de lui pour le corriger ou le faire progresser.
@christiandavey4221
@christiandavey4221 5 лет назад
Gun Je Suis
@SmilingDevil
@SmilingDevil 5 лет назад
Weeeeeel Ean, about that.... I guess you come as close as possible, but your pronunciations of “Gerãt Nr. 6” oder “Raketenbüchse” were kinda stereotype for an American... I know you try, and those Umlauts are a pain in the Buttstock...
@franciscoschwarz6451
@franciscoschwarz6451 5 лет назад
Really flawless pronunciation, gun Jesus 😄
@AllyArtemisia
@AllyArtemisia 7 лет назад
That's actually a really neat design! I couldn't even tell what it was from the thumbnail. Secret agents of the world: can you say _"untapped market?"_
@9sec93lx
@9sec93lx 3 года назад
"In 1940's France Mp40 magazines were readily available." UNFORTUNATELY they were usually attached to a German soldier who was trying to shoot you with it....
@desertdude540
@desertdude540 10 месяцев назад
Only for the first half of the decade. For the second half, I imagine the magazines would be readily available.
@NEPAscallywag
@NEPAscallywag 7 лет назад
is it just me or is this the most french gun ever? it even looks like the reciever it's wearing a kepi
@nihluxler8823
@nihluxler8823 3 года назад
It’s a snail gun !
@ATalkingHouse
@ATalkingHouse 4 года назад
Every time I come back to this video, I get awestruck about how nicely designed this gun is. Compact, foldable, and an action that can fit in your hand. Now the only question is how well it shoots...
@blackwoodsecurity531
@blackwoodsecurity531 7 лет назад
looks like it would've been a good carbine for pilots
@user-lr9ok1pd7d
@user-lr9ok1pd7d 7 лет назад
Blackwood Security Agree with you, very compact
@willemran
@willemran 7 лет назад
I believe KLM airlines used a couple AR-10 rifles as defense weapon against polar bears on their routes over the arctic circle. And publicity of course. Stewardesses where supposedly trained to use these rifles. Not that compact but very interesting. Maybe this museum has one of those guns in their collection. If i remember correctly from my last visit to the NMM they had at least a of few AR variants and prototypes on display.
@johnhans2929
@johnhans2929 7 лет назад
Definitely. It also seems good for VIP protective details.
@notpulverman9660
@notpulverman9660 7 лет назад
John Hans it does not look good for that at all.
@kyle360123
@kyle360123 6 лет назад
Imagine that thing in 22lr
@Taistelukalkkuna
@Taistelukalkkuna 7 лет назад
MGD PM9 smg, putting Funk to functional.
@solventtrapdotcom6676
@solventtrapdotcom6676 3 года назад
Most underrated comment
@freddyhayes239
@freddyhayes239 7 лет назад
i have a feeling the cleaning rod holds together the stock to stop you losing the damn thing lol. you would easily notice when you picked up the gun if the rod was not inserted.
@MrCh0o
@MrCh0o 6 лет назад
The question was why not just make stock one whole thing instead tho
@weaverp1
@weaverp1 6 лет назад
Does it possibly facitate removal of stock
@jean-valerythoraval4591
@jean-valerythoraval4591 6 лет назад
that makes for a good reason to not have made the stock one whole piece... also another reason that i can think of is if you want to hook your weapon somewhere, or hook something to it, like a belt, a strap, anything really...
@throughcracker6591
@throughcracker6591 6 лет назад
I think it might be to take it off.
@MrSimondaniel3
@MrSimondaniel3 5 лет назад
@@MrCh0o + the answer was just given hahaha
@233lynx
@233lynx 6 лет назад
A very interesting piece of design. I'll add my 2 cents: the mechanism actually makes for a very soft recoil, so crude stock is not an issue. Also, by dynamic and attached mass behaviour(impulse redirection by crank/rotation) mechanism is very close to Kriss Vector. A gun that was really ahead of its time.
@pikeywyatt
@pikeywyatt 7 лет назад
the Swiss one has a cuckoo that pop's out..
@samuelbhend2521
@samuelbhend2521 4 года назад
yes, every time the togglelock opens: cuckoo!... (only the ones from W+F BERN tough)
@ptrd4111
@ptrd4111 5 лет назад
Love the idea for this gun, but everytime I look at it I hear sounds of an old rotary phone.
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 4 года назад
Ah the rotary phone. The device that makes you HATE calling friends with 9s and 0s in their number.
@StanislavG.
@StanislavG. 7 лет назад
I do not believe in absolutes, but after watching most of the videos on this channel, I've realized that it's absolutely impossible to not like listening to Ian telling a story about a gun :)
@gajemouje
@gajemouje Год назад
Crazy how elaborate and simple at the same time 😮...the amount of space and weight gained by the system is breath taking.French really can engineer fabulous things..and at the same time..make chauchats! Thx Ian
@dwightehowell8179
@dwightehowell8179 4 года назад
That looks like a perfect gun to stick in a tank. They don't need or want the blasted thing in the way until they take a hit and have to bail out at which point in time an ultra compact SMJ is exactly what they need to grab as they are leaving. Something they can use to discourage hostile infantry while they hastily advance to the rear.
@jeromevuarand3768
@jeromevuarand3768 7 лет назад
That's a really clever mechanism. The rotation slows down the bolt movement when the internal peg is at 3 o'clock (delaying the blowback slightly) and at 9 o'clock (so that the next round has more time to get up the magazine).
@boessle2963
@boessle2963 2 года назад
Agree, it probably is a delayed blowback design. Think Ian should have mentioned it.
@Innomen
@Innomen 5 лет назад
Dude, journalistic integrity for the win. Not editing the video to hide the panel struggle. Thank you. Easy sub. Seen several vids, but keeping that struggle in earned my respect.
@loicchaplain4046
@loicchaplain4046 7 лет назад
As a french, i love when you speak french xD
@phileas007
@phileas007 7 лет назад
omelette au fromage!
@lombrikone
@lombrikone 7 лет назад
Kael Thas same here !
@Todd_Coward
@Todd_Coward 7 лет назад
HON HON HON MON CHERIE
@cristianvillanueva8782
@cristianvillanueva8782 3 года назад
@@phileas007 XD
@awmperry
@awmperry 7 лет назад
It doesn't look practical, but that's some lovely engineering.
@marshallperry2446
@marshallperry2446 7 лет назад
It reminds me of the sten gun but even worse, maybe for a really small form factor it could help, but I think it is just too small for practicality still.
@YouTubeViolates1A
@YouTubeViolates1A 5 лет назад
The fancy ones always are the least practical. :c
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 8 месяцев назад
​@@marshallperry2446The Sten is a disgusting backyard submachinepipe, this is clockworky weirdness. I can't see how they're similar.
@olivialambert4124
@olivialambert4124 3 года назад
I had a similar idea myself. This rendition is unbelievably elegant and so much more advanced than my idea. Debuit was clearly a very, very clever person. I'm very glad I saw this if I ever get the chance to work on my idea properly. I'd certainly be adding a great many of his concepts to my own.
@thevoiceofthelost
@thevoiceofthelost 7 лет назад
this has got to be the most simple, yet cleaver and epic gun ive ever seen. i really want one of these!
@julianajohansson2713
@julianajohansson2713 3 года назад
The firing mechanism: highly comeplicated and exquisitly exclusive. The stock:
@MrSkyl1ne
@MrSkyl1ne 7 лет назад
The National Military Museum definitely is a great place to visit if you are in the area, there's a sizable collection of both old and modern vehicles, airplanes and weapons. Everything is multilingual so no problem for foreigners (as most museums are in the Netherlands). It's located at an old military airfield that was used by both the Dutch and US airforce up until the end of the 1990s. They also sometimes do tours of the airfield so you can visit bunkers and hidden locations that are normally off limits, unfortunately they only do tours on special occasions.
@rautavaara9194
@rautavaara9194 7 лет назад
You forgot to bring white gloves to the museum, so you had to go out and buy some gardening gloves?
@tseftz
@tseftz 7 лет назад
white gloves are very old hat, I can imagine why this particular museum would use those rubber coated gardening gloves - they're grippier and harderwearing, and unlike white cottons, non-porous, keeping those skin oils off the blueing, etc. Most museums these days either give you latex-alternative gloves, or just ask you to wash and dry your hands
@JonatasAdoM
@JonatasAdoM 7 лет назад
+Eye Ore You can bet they wouldn't.
@maxnaz47
@maxnaz47 5 лет назад
*Mechanic gloves, not gardening gloves... protect from grease and oils, not thorns and prickles.
@hrishikeshaggrawal
@hrishikeshaggrawal 3 месяца назад
I can not imagine a self loading firearm mechanism with less moving parts than this. Absolutely brilliant.
@thestr8person
@thestr8person 7 лет назад
One of the coolest old smg's I've ever seen! I just love the simplicity, I bet it still fires as good as the day it was made and virtually never failed except for ammo faults (if kept properly of course). Awesome Ian!
@grammarnazi7428
@grammarnazi7428 5 лет назад
7:49 -> struggles to take gun apart *”ONE eAsY LITTLE BUTTON JUST LIKE THAT”*
@Kebbab.213
@Kebbab.213 4 года назад
Lol
@jackpopinski8330
@jackpopinski8330 7 лет назад
you meen like 6 kilometers from my house... damn did I just mis you for a handshake
@tobiashagstrom4168
@tobiashagstrom4168 7 лет назад
Wow, this is actually REALLY cool, the inside of it was actually more simple than I had expected.
@Niinsa62
@Niinsa62 3 года назад
I remember seeing one of these in a book about submachine guns a long time ago. Impossible to forget that rotary action, so unusual, and so compact!
@nohero23
@nohero23 7 лет назад
So why didn't this get more popular? Too complicated or uncomfortable to use?
@wierdalien1
@wierdalien1 7 лет назад
n0la usually the reasons
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
I suspect because the mainspring tended to break, but I don't have any proof of that.
@farmerboy916
@farmerboy916 7 лет назад
Rather unconventional, lots of cheap war surplus, small market in the first place. Also, that seems like a lot of machining for a subgun
@havoc3742
@havoc3742 7 лет назад
or because it was just after ww2 and there were literally thousands of tons of surplus guns laying about.
@tristanrenner3166
@tristanrenner3166 7 лет назад
I'd be doubtful of a complicated design, considering most firearms that I have personally seen, this is one of the simplest of designs. As for machining, yes, it may be a fair bit. If the SMG had a better chance for newer models, it could possibly be stamped or molded if it was not already, for mass production purposes.
@leoli2450
@leoli2450 3 года назад
I am fully convinced that no one back then would've thought this was a gun when it is folded. Generally people of that period would imagine "guns" as a long piece of wood with lots of iron parts and a tube on it. Then you have this thing that looks like a random piece of machine some inventors carry around.
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart
@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart 8 месяцев назад
Guard catches you with it "What's that you're carrying?" "Oh, it's just my reciprocating retrovolumetrizer" "Oh... I see. Of course! Go on citizen."
@webtoedman
@webtoedman 7 лет назад
That is a slick way to fit a long spring into a small package. Vive la difference!
@thomasdillon7761
@thomasdillon7761 3 года назад
As a history buff I appreciate the way you put the weapons on your sight in a proper historical context.
@ChePennyDK
@ChePennyDK 7 лет назад
Now that' a wierd gun heh, love coming here and seeing guns I've never heard off :)
@ChePennyDK
@ChePennyDK 7 лет назад
You don't say Sherlock!
@itsDavoBro
@itsDavoBro 7 лет назад
Awesome, I love the guns with interesting mechanisms the most, thanks Ian!
@jaredneaves7007
@jaredneaves7007 7 лет назад
i like that you don't edit out your disassembly struggles!
@SpaceAtomz
@SpaceAtomz 4 месяца назад
It seems pretty simple, yet over engineered. I love it
@Phos9
@Phos9 7 лет назад
Was hoping when I first saw that gun that the magazine remained forward and the round was rotated into position.
@dbmail545
@dbmail545 5 лет назад
Me too. Now that would be a compact SMG!
@VioletEverlasting
@VioletEverlasting 5 лет назад
so you mean like a g11?
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 5 лет назад
@@VioletEverlasting Except less unholy Swiss-watch inside! I had an idea for a rotary-breech like the G11 that used the rotation of the breech to extract and eject the case, long before I knew enough engineering to make it actually work!
@solventtrapdotcom6676
@solventtrapdotcom6676 3 года назад
@@ScottKenny1978 P90
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
@@solventtrapdotcom6676 yeah, that works, too, just that the rounds are on a different angle to the barrel than the g11.
@gloriousphantom7905
@gloriousphantom7905 3 года назад
“Do you have a concealed carry on you sir?” Me: really thinking it’s easier to explain if I say I have a bomb and 30 kilos of coke in my car
@2Potates
@2Potates 4 года назад
The reciever of this thing and how it works are genuinly beautiful.
@joshuawhitmore9269
@joshuawhitmore9269 7 лет назад
The compact ability is something you don't see anymore. I loved this one.
@hughbarton775
@hughbarton775 5 лет назад
Having worked with voitures from Renault, Citroen, and Peugeot, I feel this wacky and wondrous contraption is a classic illustration of an axiom from the automobile service business: " The French copy no one, and no one copies the French"....Great job as always, Ian!
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 7 лет назад
Ian at the Dutch Museum? Pls tell me you revisited the contract AR-10s!
@whensomethingcriesagain
@whensomethingcriesagain 4 года назад
If I'm being honest, durability notwithstanding, the rotary action idea is kind of brilliant, as a means of making a compact action without the need for things like long buffer springs
@Nazgulxnl
@Nazgulxnl 7 лет назад
Ooooh my home country. Never thought there would be anything interesting over here firearms wise.
@ErokLobotomist
@ErokLobotomist 2 года назад
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It's a damn shame this one didn't take off.
@TBAG
@TBAG 7 лет назад
what the fuck!? you were in my country? or is it just the name of the museum?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
I was in the Netherlands last month.
@Ektrix
@Ektrix 7 лет назад
awesome i am from the Netherlands how did u like it?
@gabber88ful
@gabber88ful 7 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons greetings from holland
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
I had a wonderful time. It help that you all seem to speak excellent English. :)
@gabber88ful
@gabber88ful 7 лет назад
Forgotten Weapons im happy to hear that hopefully you can come again to holland to show some other firearms to
@esrvdb88
@esrvdb88 7 лет назад
Pretty slick way to handle inconsistent power levels in the cartridge without beating the receiver up.
@outshimed
@outshimed 7 лет назад
This is the coolest gun in a while.
@Nessinby
@Nessinby 7 лет назад
Looks like a Fallout weapon
@jroggs85
@jroggs85 5 лет назад
I was thinking Metro, but yeah it really has that ad hoc look to it.
@jmbkpo
@jmbkpo 4 года назад
It is a old gun
@brianreddeman951
@brianreddeman951 7 лет назад
Are there any other firearms that use clock springs? (besides Wheellocks)
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
Yes, the Lewis did.
@DFX2KX
@DFX2KX 7 лет назад
and that odd machinegun that used a clock spring and a rack&pinon mechanism....
@rogerjohnson8707
@rogerjohnson8707 4 года назад
I'm quite surprised Ian didn't mention one of his favorite firearms the Suomi smg. The 71 round drum magazine is powered by a clock spring. Given it is an eternal part but still required for big fire power.
@arafdi
@arafdi 4 года назад
I love how the French SMG design philosophy during this era was "make everything foldable/concealable!"
@danielquick7541
@danielquick7541 7 лет назад
Can't watch your video because the ad won't load, way to go youtube. I applaud you.
@fangadorawolfen6164
@fangadorawolfen6164 7 лет назад
3 reasons why this never caught on 1. It is a pain to take apart. 2. No pistol grip. 3. Probably difficult to reload.
@brennanpaucke2066
@brennanpaucke2066 6 лет назад
It's obviously easy to reload
@florentleider222
@florentleider222 6 лет назад
apart from the huge number of low priced surplus available, the main drawback of the gun was an irregular rate of fire and a rather high incidence of jamming. looks like the clockwork mechanism is rather sensitive to dirt and powder residus.
@barrag3463
@barrag3463 6 лет назад
@@florentleider222 small thing but a difficult disassembly process probably exacerbated the latter issue you mentioned; the gun might not be cleaned as often or as thoroughly due to a lazy user not wanting to put in the effort needed to get the firing mechanism opened up.
@YouTubeViolates1A
@YouTubeViolates1A 5 лет назад
Scratch the 3rd note. Every gun is easy to reload with enough practice.
@zendell37
@zendell37 7 лет назад
Once he mentioned the Hotchkiss Universal, I read his mind. He thought "I'm havin this." Yes, Ian, have it. Have the shit out of it! And have Karl make a 2 gun based around concealed weapons. It shall be glorious!
@therugburnz
@therugburnz 5 лет назад
Watching again because of rotary action. Luv rotation.
@evandaire1449
@evandaire1449 7 лет назад
Never thought id see a wheel lock submachine gun.
@jonwicker3142
@jonwicker3142 4 года назад
I'd really like to see this thing in action. I'm especially curious about the cyclic rate. Hopefully, Ian can get his hands on another one that is safe enough to take to the range.
@EvMund
@EvMund 3 года назад
Imagine getting killed by a coat hanger
@xxrumlexx
@xxrumlexx 7 лет назад
This gun is insanely cool. A modern interpretation in composites and other modern tech would be insane
@Halo1138
@Halo1138 7 лет назад
Was wondering when you were going to look at this little beauty! Quite a unique little thing!
@rogerwennstrom6677
@rogerwennstrom6677 7 лет назад
Cutest and possibly coolest sub-gun ever :) This must be right up Ian's alley - it would sit very nicely next to the Hotchkiss! How many of this one were made? Any chance of finding one outside museums?
@ArfurFaulkesHake
@ArfurFaulkesHake 7 лет назад
@Ian: Where are you supposed to put your right hand when you fire the gun from the shoulder? gripping it around the stock seems very cumbersome.
@ArfurFaulkesHake
@ArfurFaulkesHake 7 лет назад
Maybe thumb against the rear of the trigger guard, index finger on the trigger and just pinch?
@Panssaritalvi
@Panssaritalvi 7 лет назад
This was the first question that came to my mind when I saw the gun. It looks really uncomfortable. I kinda hoped Ian would have addressed this question.
@Cabbolf
@Cabbolf 6 лет назад
This one made me chuckle. But what a fascinating little piece of machinery.
@AR15.666
@AR15.666 7 лет назад
Might be the only coolest looking smg ever
@sillygoose210_6
@sillygoose210_6 7 лет назад
But can you use it as a fidget spinner???
@MauldtheMan
@MauldtheMan 7 лет назад
Can I mount this on an RX-7 DOUBLE ROTARY POWER
@colsoncustoms8994
@colsoncustoms8994 7 лет назад
That is a very interesting design. I see so many of these older firearms and wonder why modern technology hasn't been applied to some of the more solid concepts from the past.
@jimkey920
@jimkey920 7 лет назад
Jus when ya think ya seen it all. Ian drags out something unique!
@kendon81
@kendon81 7 лет назад
kinda makes sense in a weird oddball french way.
@tobiasburen8340
@tobiasburen8340 7 лет назад
Very interesting technique. Any chance to shoot one of this guns? I'm not sure if this work great ore not really.
@eduviera4985
@eduviera4985 7 лет назад
a modern sub machine gun with this design would be awesome.
@hazakdds7366
@hazakdds7366 7 лет назад
Love how people figure these things out.
@NLShArKNL
@NLShArKNL 7 лет назад
hey ian, are you in the netherlands right now? I live there :D
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
No, I filmed this last month.
@NLShArKNL
@NLShArKNL 7 лет назад
ahh right, should've said you were planning to go there, would have loved to say hi :D
@yves-mariesellin6026
@yves-mariesellin6026 7 лет назад
bien joué
@Momo_Kawashima
@Momo_Kawashima 2 года назад
When a gun and a fishing rod love each other so much
@peterearl9595
@peterearl9595 4 года назад
This has got to be on of the coolest things I've ever seen
@franimatics2292
@franimatics2292 7 лет назад
is it rifled? and does technically count as a PDW?
@sirspikey
@sirspikey 7 лет назад
You never explained why this didn't catch on!?
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 7 лет назад
I think the recoil springs probably broke a lot.
@monke6776
@monke6776 6 лет назад
And it was prolly really expensive No pistol grip People prolly didn’t trust it cuz it was new weird and cool looking. Prolly more reasons too
@indramatic
@indramatic 7 лет назад
OH. MY. GOD!!! Ian thank you very much! I was intrigued by this gun long time ago but could not find even a decent picture of it! THANK YOU!
@JoshuaNicoll
@JoshuaNicoll 7 лет назад
oh wow, getting really obscure and unique now Ian, this is what I come for.
@Haliconable
@Haliconable 5 лет назад
No grip - check, magazine pointing a bizarre direction - check, useless skeletonized folding stock - check. Yep it's french alright, that's for sure!
@Jasper-Holland
@Jasper-Holland 7 лет назад
Nederland!
@nosaltiesandrooshere7488
@nosaltiesandrooshere7488 7 лет назад
Very interesting system, really unique in innovation and technology for a submachine gun. Thank you for showing, because this is so decent and dissected you can not see this weapon in the display case!
@doomslayer9077
@doomslayer9077 7 лет назад
Sweet smg strange look makes it look badass
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