MGS5 - Ep.22: [Retake the Platform] - No Traces / Perfect Stealth 

lol for real? 😆

@@oakularoregon6623 yeah a lot of other people had the same experience

This happened to me like 5 times

The same exact thing happened to me today haha

@@AdityaYT lmfao same here too

It happened 5 times for me

"Don't move! It can't see you when you don't move"

I was on a pipe but thankfully the enemy couldn't see me because I was above them. It was funny and scary at the same time.

+prenatual This mission is a pure nightmare actually, and its weird but after doing differents strats, my best no traces attempt was around 5m:52sec. What I noticed is the faster you go through the first 3 platforms, the easier it will be to reach the top of the final one. Because it seems the longer you take, the more they start doing annoying patrol route.

+prenatual thank you so much for referring to this as a "playthrough" im getting so phucking tired of people naming playthrough videos, walkthrough or let's play to bait more views, you get a thumbs up just for proper terminology : )

I call it "Perma-Caution" since it's really supposed to be called "Caution Mode", seriously. But yeah, excellent facts. Stupid lazy-fuck Mosquito can't even investigate a freakin' squeaking rat without ordering another to go to it for him. >_>

mosquito who is he because there is in event it the FOB called mosquito legacy

I have saved the mother base map in my mind because i am FOB professional and who want to challenge me lol I won't give you my ID SO EASY💪💪😠

+katmaster39 What kind of tips do you want to hear? I'm genuinely curious, because I have no idea how to answer your question. Personally, I never had a goal of becoming better at videogames. I can understand when people from a professional multiplayer scene do that, since improving your gaming skills can win you some real money there. But in single-player games? They are all about you and your enjoyment. So if you want my advice: stop worrying about being as good as someone else and just play at your natural level. You'll enjoy yourself much more.

+prenatual Well, it's not that I want to be as good as other people, I just genuinely want to improve my general play in this game. It's all self-fulfillment for me because I've got no competition to beat and I've only got people to look up to like you. I don't think it matters but I'm just 15 and video games are my life for the most part. So that's why I don't see any reason not to get really good at video games since it's the one thing I "waste" my time with constantly as others put it for me. In terms of tips I wanted to hear, I usually get caught unexpectedly around corners and such because I wasn't able to mark the enemy beforehand with my binoculars so I wanted to know if there was a better way. Oh, and what are the visibility ranges anyway? I know that Snake is practically invisible during the day at 20m and farther when he's prone but I only have rough estimates for when he's crouching and upright. Anyway, thanks for acknowledging my comment to begin with.

+prenatual I don't mean to reply again before you but I wanted you to test out this strategy for mission 40 cloaked in silence. I have a video example of the strategy on my channel. I wanna know if it actually works because otherwise I wanna try and see how I can fix it.

+katmaster39 If you have problems with marking enemies use D-Dog, he can mark enemies through walls 80 meters away. D-Walker also has an automated marking function, once you upgrade it. The visibility ranges during daytime and while staying still: 65m while standing / 45m while crouching / 20m while prone. While moving you are visible at 65 meters while either standing or crouching. I don't remember the values for nighttime. I think they are 35m / 15m / 10m or something like that. About your video: it's great. I don't see any need to improve it.

+prenatual If this is not good advice, then I don't know what is. Furthermore, katmaster39 please keep in mind that practice makes perfect and prenatual spent hundreds of hours distilling the perfection that he shares with us. When I first started street fighter 4, I could not perform a single fireball. But I loved the game, so I kept at it. Just keep practicing and experimenting bro. And remember, the point of perfection in any sphere of life is enjoyment/love.

+SYL Ben I liked it a lot. I haven't played any previous MGS games besides Ground Zeroes, so I didn't have any particular expectations, nor did I care much about the game's story or the drama surrounding the developer studio and the publisher. The aspects that I care about the most -- freedom to play as you choose, the mission variety, enemy reactivity to your actions -- are pretty much the best in the genre, and that's all that really matters to me. The things that I wish were done better are the AI (which can be very inconsistent at times) and difficulty (selectable difficulty levels would've been nice, because the game becomes a bit too easy once you unlock some powerful stuff). I talked more about it in the comments to the first video, if you're interested: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--_b0O-139BQ.html

+prenatual That's why the end of the game is the way it is, it isn't right, thanks Konami, but the original plan was to have selectable difficulties for each mission. So, at least he got some of that realised.

+The “Giant” Midget Camo is borderline pointless in this game, so the suit doesn't matter much. Camo only slightly reduces your visibility when you're crouching and not moving, and only during the day. In all other combinations of stance/speed/time of day it does nothing. Since I was crawling or rolling 80% of the time and using the box when I was crouching, it would've been of no use to me here.

+prenatual camo doesnt' work while prone or crawling?

+KvltKommando No. I never noticed any difference.

+KvltKommando While Prone and Crawling, there's always a set distance that the enemy can see you, I think it's 30m when crouching and 10m while prone, but those are at night. I'm not sure about the day distances.

+D3STINY22 I don't use twitch.

prenatual Create one, now.

@@Aminsx_ I demand it

+PlayRough089 I think the fastest way to farm Haoma is to successfully defend FOB against high ranked invaders. That can give you 200-300 units per victory. At least, that's best result I've seen. You can also earn it through combat deployment missions (500-700 units), but they have a low chance of success and appear very rarely.

+prenatual I found some on the animal conservation platform (in the zebra pen). Does that already count as part of your resources?

You can also grow it in your conservation/petting zoo platform, along with other plants.

After hours I finally visualized the commander, then I died. Im going to have a good sniper with me next time and just try to takeout the commander. I usually like to systematically remove every enemy one at a time but it’s just way too hard.

+Chris Hsu No, they all follow predetermined routes.

+qsqua The main problem here is the visual detection, not sound. That's why I was prone most of the time, and crawling/rolling is already completely silent, regardless of the suit. I can see only one instance where the sneaking suit would've been useful and it's fairly minor (2:00-2:25). So it's no big deal. And btw, Battledress makes as much noise as any other standard suit (6m while crouching, 8m while running, 15m while sprinting).

Hello prenatual, Do you have a website with all the informatino you give? "6m crouching, 8m running, 15 sprinting" and "ennemies don't notice you in the box if >4m away + no move.

@@prenatual It would make sense for the theme of "Big Boss" putting MSF troops back in their place tho, especially in the GZ sneaking suit. But I see what you mean, these guys seem to have the sharpest eyes compared to the regular jabronies; if only their stats reflected as much :/

+marcokerti A lot of people rip on it but I thought Deus Ex: HR had pretty good ai. I liked that their cones of vision were actually on their eyes and not just the direction they were facing. Once alerted however they could do some pretty stupid shit.

+mrshreddy It's a good example. I think however that we should distinguish stealth games which focus on the fact that you can hide behind something like Hitman or Deus Ex series and games like Thief, Splinter Cell or MGS3 in which you can use shadows or camouflage as a stealth technique.

+marcokerti Depends on what you mean by "the best". Individually, the most dangerous enemies I've encountered were in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. The game never has lots of them (usually 2-3 per room), but it uses them in smart ways, so that sometimes even a single guard can be a challenge to avoid. Individual enemies in Hitman: Absolution are not very dangerous and can be easily tricked when they are alone, but they become brutal when they work in groups. And these groups are unusually large (10 people or more) while the environments are pretty small, so that the density of enemies is probably 2-3 times higher than what you see in a typical stealth game. That's the main reason the game is so bloody difficult. Also, the game designers paid a lot of attention to how various noises and events affect enemies, so that if your playstyle is focused less on killing and more on AI manipulation (like mine), the game offers a lot of depth. Overall, I consider Absolution the hardest stealth game I ever played. In terms of pure entertainment, I think the AI in Batman: Arkham series is better than both of them, though. Enemies in Arkham games are very easy to defeat, but their reactions to player's actions are extremely varied and hilarious. They are very well written, acted and animated, so that fighting them never feels boring, even when they don't offer much resistance. They also have different psychological states that affect their behavior in interesting ways, which I think is one of the few real innovations in stealth games in the past 6-7 years.

+prenatual I definitely agree. Splinter Cell on Expert is a great and unforgiving challenge especially in the Bathhouse. Absolution was tough because it demanded a strict route that often needed trial and error to tease out. Arkham Asylum was the perfect mix of power yet vulnerability when teasing and trapping foes.

+prenatual I expected that. I mastered the Splinter Cell trilogy along with the Hitman series and they proved to be very challenging. It's true that Arkham has the smartest AI overall, but the game is not a proper stealth game. Would be cool to develop a game with the Thief level design and Arkham's AI.

Gundemon479 the detection system is built for natural outdoor environments. I agree that it's jarring though :/

+darell fairbank Looks very promising. Absolution's AI and graphics + big non-linear levels, like in Blood Money, sounds very good to me. Beyond that I can't say much. I'll have more to say when I play it.

+Prenautal When are you playing Hitman?

+Saruman38 Because of the enemy soldiers who surrendered at the end once I extracted the commander. You can their icons turning blue at 11:15, meaning they had dropped their weapons. When enemies surrender or die on their own the game always counts them as neutralizations, even if you had nothing to do with it.

And the Pipe is not there

This mission doesn't have a rank in it so it doesn't count for the trophy

Like without really showing it to you.