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MGSV - Ending is a LIE CONFIRMED By New Revelation!! (PART 1) | Deep Analysis 

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@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan Год назад
You can check out PART 2 here ➡ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zb3JcZNpCkA.html 🎬🐍 -- This video is not meant to theorize that Big Boss never had a BODY DOUBLE. As you may have seen from our theories, we actually predicted MGSV's New Snake/Body Double twist years before release. What this analysis is meant to show is that the game's ending is still being falsely interpreted through the eyes of Venom Snake, just as the intro hospital sequence - which is why Venom still saw a duplicate of Ishmael even in the TRUTH mission, something which would not have happened if we were seeing the actual events of what actually went down at the hospital. Whether Venom was truly aided by someone during his escape remains to be seen, but Venom and Big Boss being two separate Snakes remains a fact. - Python & Selkan
@theangryimp1345
@theangryimp1345 4 месяца назад
I wish we had chapter 3 but do you really believe its not lost in that chapter, the story I mean? It's hard to say that something wasn't lost in a game that definitely feels like it's missing content. Also epic video!
@ofs82
@ofs82 2 года назад
The real protagonist of the Metal Gear series is not Big Boss nor Solid Snake. It is Revolver Ocelot. He's there at the start and he dies at the end, and he plays all sides from all angles in between. He's the true survivor and, to achieve what he has across all of those groups and goals, he is the true master of stealth. He just does it psychologically, not physically.
@drearmouse9510
@drearmouse9510 2 года назад
The start? MG 1&2 wld like to have a word w you. Lolz.
@JGAS1
@JGAS1 Год назад
In the end Kaz and Venom are left on there own to survive against XOF and betrayed by their friends. Ocelot betrayed venom and Kaz. Kaz remaining loyal until the end. Ocelot is a weasel, taking all sides.
@JGAS1
@JGAS1 Год назад
I agree boss and solid aren't the protagonists. In my eyes it was the boys, Kaz and venom.
@isgamer-8732
@isgamer-8732 Год назад
@@drearmouse9510 he means timeline wise and he was involved in those games he just wasn't there
@MultiTrollface999
@MultiTrollface999 Год назад
@@drearmouse9510 canonically.
@kanefindlay2549
@kanefindlay2549 2 года назад
"Our love for this franchise will never end" the truest word's to ever be spoken
@rottensquid
@rottensquid 2 года назад
The search for answers will never end either. That's the point of Kojima's ambiguous storytelling. There's always another theory, another layer of meaning, another possible interpretation.
@tripplordofinconvenience9953
@tripplordofinconvenience9953 2 года назад
E
@arklyshill
@arklyshill 2 года назад
I get your point on why would the real Big Boss risk his life while being hunted by many to kill him - unarmed, in hospital clothes. You're right. BUT, ask yourself this -- Who would they even put instead of the real Big Boss to safely escape with a fake Big Boss? In that case, the real Big Boss is PERFECT for that mission since his military experience is more than exceptional. He's the only one who could've rescued Venom Snake from that living hell in hospital we had all witnessed.
@meaningfulmindfulness15
@meaningfulmindfulness15 2 года назад
It also wouldn't have been his first time escorting someone injured through a battlefield.. 🤔 I love how this all still provokes thought of so many players
@venomshake8187
@venomshake8187 2 года назад
@@meaningfulmindfulness15 just finished replaying MGS3 the other day so i definitely see some parallels with the EVA escort section of that game and MGSV hospital opening
@RhysClipz
@RhysClipz 2 года назад
He did actually save him from a highly trained assassin who later becomes quiet so that bscks your point up very well
@TheGuitarnob
@TheGuitarnob 2 года назад
exactly
@DjDolHaus86
@DjDolHaus86 2 года назад
The only real question is why he was completely unarmed. The doctor has a pistol so it's not like there were any barriers (either security or moral) preventing a stash of firearms or even something basic like a combat knife being located in the room to facilitate an escape or defence should the need arise. I know onsite procurement of weapons is a recurring theme but it makes no sense in this scenario, you're keeping a low profile but you're not behind enemy lines in a politically fragile warzone, enough time was available to reinforce the position and improve the likelihood of successful extraction.
@GiantTalkingTree
@GiantTalkingTree Год назад
Kojima said that the game ended as intended. The last "incomplete" mission everyone talks about is just a bonus mission thats a prequel to the 1987 metal gear. So the game itself is completely finished.
@jadinwemette8251
@jadinwemette8251 Год назад
Exactly my thoughts
@Omar_E11
@Omar_E11 2 года назад
Hey I admire your supreme appreciation of the series, I too feel this passion towards Metal Gear. But I sincerely disagree that a minor NPC sharing the same model of an injured, wrapped up patient at a hospital means that the entire ending is a lie or some kind of hallucination. If anything I think the most likely explanation here is that they simply recycled the same model as Ishmael for convenience purposes... the setting being a hospital with many unwell patients. MGSV is great but still a little unpolished in some areas so it doesn't shock me that they'd reuse some models. Regardless I respect this dedication to the series, and it was an enjoyable video nonetheless.
@jarlboof
@jarlboof 2 года назад
I am pretty sure it was intended, just to confuse the player even more or something, thats why snake was staring at his ass. But yeah i dont think that means the whole mission was a lie, dude was just out of coma and probably confused another person whith ishmael.
@Omar_E11
@Omar_E11 2 года назад
@@jarlboof Yeah I meant he only went through intense surgery, then hypnotherapy, and woke up from a 10 year old coma so it isn't exactly strike me as questionable that he perceived some people in a corrupted way lol
@MavisRecon
@MavisRecon 2 года назад
My guess is that you haven't watched the rest of PythonSelkan's videos. There's tons of intentional conflicting story pieces out there from Ground Zeroes to Phantom Pain. For instance, Venom's version of Master Miller is disappointed in himself and everyone for trusting Paz. But if you played Peacewalker you'd know that Miller knew that Paz was an "enemy" the whole time. And that's just one example out of a sh*tload of intentionally conflicted storylines. It is not unreasonable that Python is right about Ismael/Ahab too, in fact it's very likely. They didn't need to re-use Ishmael. If they needed to re-use anyone (they didn't) they could have picked any of the patients, especially one that looks a lot more generic. On top on that, he tells Venom that he's "talking to himself" when Venom asks who he is. There was no need for this line of dialog at all, unless something strange was going on. That'd be like me asking you who you are, and you telling me I'm talking to myself. That makes ZERO sense.
@spikey288
@spikey288 2 года назад
@@MavisRecon It absolutely does make sense, it foreshadows the ending twist that venom and naked are one, he is talking to himself because he is big boss and so is naked who he is talking to. Naked is making a nod to Zero's plan without directly telling Venom as to not ruin the illusion.
@Miyakolover
@Miyakolover 2 года назад
Why would they recycle that particular model though? Considering they have plenty other models to recycle and that Ishmael has a distinct look to him among other patients? To me it doesn't make sense if it wasn't intentional.
@BlueTurretGaming
@BlueTurretGaming 2 года назад
The twist woulda been 1000x better if BB was still voiced by Hayter and Kiefer voicing Venom.
@jameljones3002
@jameljones3002 2 года назад
I very recently thought about this: I think the reason for the voice change is the hypnotherapy. They couldn't change his voical chords to sound like Big Boss (Hayter), so instead they made him think Big Boss' voice sounded like his (Sutherland). So even when Big Boss does speak, to him (Venom) it sounds like his voice so that his brain doesn't reject the idea and end up making the experiment a complete failure. Probably bullshit, but it made me go "Hm." *shrug*
@truebigboss
@truebigboss 2 года назад
@@jameljones3002 Kiefer voiced real BB in Ground Zero tho
@Koniving
@Koniving 2 года назад
@@truebigboss however, Ground Zeroes itself is the simulation that Venom is experiencing. Note: Big Boss knows from the PSP games that Millar knew Paz was lying from the beginning. In GZ miller says he can't believe he fell for Paz's act. Miller never fell for the act. GZ's big boss doesn't question the lie told to him. "Extraneous information needs to be filtered and removed.". Big boss in GZ is also Venom...experiencing the simulated memories of Big Boss.
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
​@@Koniving 👏😉
@snakev1082
@snakev1082 2 года назад
@@Koniving i agree to this theory :)
@markb7595
@markb7595 2 года назад
Cloning the Ishmael model at the start is a red herring to create confusion. You can't use that to determine anything, it's unreliable. There are a lot of cloned models in the hospital. Venom being a separate character fills a plot hole in MG and MG2 with how Big Boss could be in two places at once as a terror leader and a Foxhound commander: It wasn't him. It was Ahab. A fake Big Boss. It also serves to fulfill his role in the saga as a villain without having to really follow that path- until Venom is killed and he is put on the defensive. Outer Heaven was just a red herring to cover up Zanzibarland, his real project.
@mr.battle20
@mr.battle20 2 года назад
Watch the rest of PythonSelkan's videos before commenting. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
@vincentblanot
@vincentblanot 2 года назад
​ @Mr. Battle In the official novelisation, Kojima writes "In MGSV, we hand the story (the legend) over to the player. That’s how the player becomes the Big Boss in the MSX2 Metal Gear." So, yeah there are blank to be filled and this video's cool and interesting but his intention is that the "player of TPP" (Venom) becomes the Outer Heaven's Big Boss of Metal Gear. I mean, he wrote it.
@MemoriesLP
@MemoriesLP 2 года назад
@@mr.battle20 these videos are really nice, because they give amazing infos... but it does not mean the theory itself is true They have top tier videos showing all the paralells between MGSV, Death Stranding and PT, which show how many elements are shared between the games. However the theory was that those games were all connected, whe they actually were not. This channel is a master in creating a solid narrative to their theories, they take specific dialogues and place them in a context that could give a new meaning to the dialogue. I watch stuff around here because many stuff said are truth or have solid arguments behind.
@quintonwebber9079
@quintonwebber9079 2 года назад
My personal theory is that both the Ishmaels you meet are people who underwent the same process as you but didn't take to it as well as you did. they were expendable at that point. the real big boss was never in the hospital.
@collegebro85
@collegebro85 2 года назад
Honestly, the only thing I truly care about and know has to be a misdirect is that Venom and Big Boss are not on the same side after all! You look at how much betrayal and deception Venom went through in TPP, losing Quiet and his men along the way, and finally being told he was just a pawn to take on the world while BB takes his time building up Outer Heaven…how WE felt finding out we were playing a whole other character all along…that does not spell out “oh we’re best buds!” Even Miller and Ocelot end up at odds with each supporting their own version of Boss… You look at MG 1 and 2 with how the real BB sent in Solid Snake to actually destroy and kill his enemy, and then Miller steps in to guide Snake in killing the real BB (or try to at least)…hardly something you would do if it was all a ploy! Ultimately, we all know how it ends, but it just makes no sense for everyone to end up on the same side when we all know where their true loyalties lie…
@davidhall9086
@davidhall9086 2 года назад
I like this theory that Big Boss tried to use Solid Snake to kill Venom. I bet you’re right. Honestly, if we’d gotten an Act 3 in TPP, I think we would have seen the split between Venom and BB.
@sarahphyllis5782
@sarahphyllis5782 2 года назад
That's the art of MGS. It secretly depicts the politics of Russia and America and Solid Snake Venom Snake were just pawns. That's why in MGS 4 Solid Snake said He was just a hired hit.
@drearmouse9510
@drearmouse9510 2 года назад
@@sarahphyllis5782 aaand I'm once again reminded my PS3 is busted and my friend lost MGS4. TT_TT
@Obiwan1994Kenobi-iv4jf
@Obiwan1994Kenobi-iv4jf 2 года назад
Since many theorize that Kojima wasn't fired but was taking a vacation, it may be possible for the ultimate truth to reveal itself in time. Maybe it will be subliminal or it won't. Although I get the sneaking (pun not intended) suspicion that it already has been revealed and it's been staring us in the face the whole time.
@CT-zi8em
@CT-zi8em 2 года назад
Is this real? Cuz I watched a whole video explaining how Konami has been going out of their way to erase him. Removing the a hideo Kohima game from anything that ever had it. Even not letting him accept rewards/medals that have anything to do with metal gear.
@timsmoot2468
@timsmoot2468 2 года назад
Speaking of MGS 3, back when it came out I played it on my PS2 at my dads house every weekend, and I’d be at my moms during the week. I probably logged over a 1,000 hours on the game, just playing it over and over again. There was one time where I stopped playing during The End Sniper Boss fight, I didn’t play for a week. When I got back to my dads and turned on the game, loaded my save, the game opened with a cutscene I had never seen before. The End catches you sleeping, then captures you and takes you back to Graniny Gorky Lab and puts you in a jail cell. Then you have to travel back to the foot of the mountains to defeat him still. Turns out Kojima still got his way, with a boss fight lasting a week. That’s what made these games so special, even after playing it 100 times you would still find new things that you didn’t notice before.
@playstation645angie
@playstation645angie 2 года назад
I would be really sad if the ending was a lie. Besides the cut content I felt very satisfied with the ending. It actually explained how it was possible to kill big boss in MG1 and then him reappearing in MG2 in a very science fiction way (like every MGS, "nanobots") and not just magical.
@TheFlatEarthChannelcom
@TheFlatEarthChannelcom 2 года назад
I like how your videos have voices now
@evilskull093
@evilskull093 2 года назад
I got my Christmas wish a new video from PythonSelkan Watching it now Happy holidays everyone
@sumwhiteguy1273
@sumwhiteguy1273 2 года назад
I think the line between the creators actually having done this is some sort of significance VS it just being poor mistakes in the writing is being blurred here. Your using mgs snake eater and mgs phantom pain whilst ignoring the events of mgs peace walker which took place after mgs snake eater. I feel like your grappling in the dark at something that isn't there. Some hidden truth that doesn't exist. I mean the ending of phantom pain was an abortion. The part 2 in phantom pain has got to be some of the most disappointing gaming I've ever experienced in a mgs series.
@sumwhiteguy1273
@sumwhiteguy1273 2 года назад
But I do also hold out hope that another MGS will be released which will give us better closure and new mysteries. So in the mean time let's just hope for some remasters. Like maybe port the game cube version of metal gear solid onto current gen systems, a mgs 2/snake eater remaster and maybe ever peacewalker. The gamecube remake is still Incredible and alot of fun even today. I have the original disc 🙂
@stryletz
@stryletz 2 года назад
Not to mention theit whole "evidence" is based on an asset swap. I mean, if the patient in the corridor was supposed to be mistaken for "Ishmael", and they both share the same textures to do this, then of course changing the texture of one would change the other. That's not proof of some greater plot connection, that's proof they used the same assets...
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
For all those that believe that the Second Ishmael shown in this video was "just a recycled character model" - 1) This is one of the finest game development studios in the world, who spent more than 5 years developing the game. 2) The Second Ishmael was meant to shock the player into thinking he was the original Ishmael... But why keep it that way in the "Truth" mission - when everything we were supposed to see should have been factual? If Venom imagined that character into looking like Ishmael in the first Hospital mission, that same model should've looked different in the "Truth" mission (THAT's where they could've used another random patient model instead of Ishmael's 😉), otherwise the "Truth" we played was no truth at all, and was still just an interpretation of how Venom was seeing things from his perspective, not the "Truth" of what truly went down. That is the point of this video 🙂 - Python & Selkan
@carpal-tunnelmal5412
@carpal-tunnelmal5412 2 года назад
Whack theory, but the truth mission to me always struck me as the impression of how it went down through Ocelot's eyes, considering the fact he was the one to have brought up what truly happened anyway. As for the second Ishmael, what if he was just a phantom? And it was purposefully left in there because it was the whole point of the game? Nevertheless im still a bit loss, was always under the impression the second ishmael was recycled
@Matschaak
@Matschaak 2 года назад
I Seriously put my 3D scanned Face into MGS: TPP Phantom Pain as a Mod Last week :) One of the craziest games every. Truly, it was crazy to play as myself :) Fits the plot even haha.
@horsthacker6355
@horsthacker6355 2 года назад
The greatest game series i ever experiencend. Of course back then when i was younger most of the brilliant story went over my head but growing up and replaying all of the games several times and diving into the deep lore i realized what a genius kojima is. MGS5 is not trolling the fans...it´s another insane move of the madman delivering his vision. This man pust so many cultural and political topics and set them into various legendary story arcs...it´s just awesome. Thank you mister kojima.
@kblargh
@kblargh 2 года назад
Good video, really. But i think you're giving Kojima too much credit, and caring more about this issue than Konami does.
@brandonperkins176
@brandonperkins176 2 года назад
Word! Now we are digging deeper into MGSV and the events that has transpired really evolved into what we are seeing. Kojima did a great job to keep things in the dark for us to see the light of things
@andreasx4745
@andreasx4745 2 года назад
After so many years... no idea srsly i think this franchise is dead with the last unfinished title. I even collected the zero nukes block with hundreds of mates and than still nothing got changed from konami, yet Koshi seems to run out of resources and nothing is left from the old glory days... just the smell of a being phantom dust
@lastknightofhonor8998
@lastknightofhonor8998 2 года назад
your a beast python, love these videos....hope they make more MGS Big Boss stories....how did Quiet become Quiet then, if the fight didnt ioccur
@mrdeadspaceplatnum
@mrdeadspaceplatnum 10 месяцев назад
Pause 9.27 and you will see big boss also standing in door way hiding from gun fire just after the one in hallway is shot down and venom turns to run other way. I remember years ago pointing that out thinking it was proof of it being real and Ishmael not being illusion but big boss is shot in hallway then when venom turns you see him staring at you in door way lol weird feels like lazy add ins but could be bigger meaning.
@lycanthis9963
@lycanthis9963 25 дней назад
Pretty obvious now, but the most likely reason for us seeing 2 Ishmael's is that Ahab is hallucinating due to the shrapnel lodged in his skull. Earlier in the same mission, the color of the fire becomes altered while going down the stairs. Ocelot later says in a cassette tape that he may end up having hallucinations. And all scenes with Paz were also hallucinations combined with false memories.
@owenvader9413
@owenvader9413 2 года назад
Or we could just consider that A) it was just a person similar to shock the player when he gets gunned down, and to make a person look similar why create and entirely different model with just one or two subtle changes when you can remake it, or B) To emphasize that venom isnt seeing things right due to the shrapnel in his head and is seeing "phantoms"
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
It's undoubtedly the latter, which was also meant to shock the player into thinking the second Ishmael was the original Ishmael... But why keep it that way in the "Truth" mission - when everything we were supposed to see should have been factual? If Venom imagined that character into looking like Ishmael in the first Hospital mission, that same model should've looked different in the "Truth" (THAT's where they could've used another random patient model instead of Ishmael's 😉), otherwise the "Truth" we played was no truth at all, and was still just an interpretation of how Venom was seeing things from his perspective, not the "Truth" of what truly went down. That is the point of this video 🙂 - P&S
@McPhee4ever
@McPhee4ever 2 года назад
I hope you have a WONDERFUL Christmas🎄🎅 and New Years🍾 I’ll see ya next year man.👌🏻
@TheLightingVision
@TheLightingVision 10 месяцев назад
It always felt off in some way. I mean, even in Ground Zeroes, it always felt like a memory (and not really a very accurate one) of the events. After betting MGS2, and if you play MgsV, we have the feeling of GZ being an induced memory to Venom. Now, my Question is, was Solid Snake trained by both of them? Venom and BB? Because in MG1 Venom seems to know pretty well Solid Snake. And even more, Big Boss used Venom in the same way The Boss got used, and that was when BB truly become the evil he himself fought many times in the past. Another Question, do you think Solid Snake knew the truth about Venom in any shape or form? I mean, in MGS4 when talking about BB Solid Said "the less people know about the truth, the more they can fantasize".
@joshuaAgross
@joshuaAgross 2 года назад
I have always felt this game...no this hole series of games, has the deepest mind altering truths. This story should never end. This game playing it on the PS3 first then replaying it on the PS4, I've seen these same facts you are showing and I can only ask my self the questions because we don't know this most wonderful person Hido Kojima and his attention to the details and the story's true depth... This game should never end, only I hope he can finish the story??? KONAMI is a parasite on metal gears ass.
@ariyahass-ok5bl
@ariyahass-ok5bl Год назад
When you attempt to connect the story of this entire game series with the matrix in this universe and earth, you'll even be more confused due to the connections.
@some_european
@some_european Год назад
1:32 Ishmail is such a comedian, wouldn't it be a shame if he was _not real?_
@BigBossN313
@BigBossN313 2 года назад
It always hurts to see Paz again
@williamanthony175
@williamanthony175 2 года назад
I wish I was rich, I would give Kojima and Konami a blank cheque and tell them to finish mission 51 and chapter 3.
@tripplordofinconvenience9953
@tripplordofinconvenience9953 2 года назад
E
@geromendez5305
@geromendez5305 2 года назад
Not money, will
@unbrokenbrony5618
@unbrokenbrony5618 2 года назад
Are you sure it's just not a duplicate model?
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
The emphasis on the model with the camera specifically zooming in on him (in order for Venom to mistake the two), pretty much confirms that this "Second Ishmael" wasn't just a recycled model, and was done deliberately to mess with the player... Now if this was just featured in the Intro Hospital mission, we'd think it's potentially Venom's mind playing tricks on him due to being an Unreliable Narrator (brainwashing, shrapnel, etc.) ...But the fact that this apparition is STILL visible in the "Truth" mission, is for us a dead giveaway that we're still seeing things from Venom's perspective, someone who we can't really trust. - P&S
@innatemeerkat4506
@innatemeerkat4506 2 года назад
@@PythonSelkan Firstly, if this is true then that is amazing BUT I feel like that isn't the case, I feel like the model was recycled so it'd be make more sense why Venom mistook the guy for Boss, it seems alot faster to just use the same model instead of making a whole new character that looks similar to Ishmael because if it was meant to be that way I feel it'd be pointed towards more to than just "Oh the main guy sees a guy that looks just like that other guy" I feel like they'd make ocelot have slip ups on the story, get small details wrong that venom wouldn't catch but we could.
@playstation645angie
@playstation645angie 2 года назад
@@innatemeerkat4506 I think the same. I feel it is a recycled character and the zoom in was more the usual "comic" side of Kojima that always zooms in on butts, penises or boobs. He was just zooming in to say "hahaha look a butt". I mean there have been other serious scenes where you can just fuck them up by zooming in to Eva's or Naomi's boobs. Or everything about the Admiral and Volgin in MGS3 .
@yunghollow9674
@yunghollow9674 2 года назад
MGS V is my favorite conspiracy theory
@seanmaraugha8262
@seanmaraugha8262 2 года назад
Wow. You guys are incredible. Loved your content through the years. One question. What is the theme that starts playing at the 12 minute mark?
@zsness
@zsness Год назад
Big boss lost an eye , ishmael did not. wake up.
@Ratus_Remorsefulnes
@Ratus_Remorsefulnes Год назад
Plastic surgery?
@Gazzoosethe1
@Gazzoosethe1 Год назад
Exactly, wtf ishmael wich is supposed to be big boss, has both eyes? And short hair?
@jerryketamine
@jerryketamine Год назад
Some people speculated it could've been a hallucination from venoms pov
@Deadwolf27
@Deadwolf27 2 года назад
Man I must of taken my stupid pills today. Hearing Kiefer Sutherland talk as Snake made me think he was going to narrate the video.
@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA
@GOLDHAJIKVONGOLA 7 месяцев назад
i wonder if the "true" tapes are even real. or is just vemon trying to cope with being robbed of his identity
@Cantoinferno7272
@Cantoinferno7272 2 года назад
"Hidden within the missions." I honestly do not understand why they would not just reveal how to achieve it. It's been 6 years now. Just show us how to get it. It's pretty clear the general players are not going to be able to figure it out.
@motiman2466
@motiman2466 2 года назад
RU-vid algorithm recommended one of your videos, I'm glad it did. Subbed!
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
Thank you so much for your kind comment! 😊🙏 - P&S
@motiman2466
@motiman2466 2 года назад
@@PythonSelkan thank you for your content and for having me 8) glad to be here and I'm absolutely loving the content
@windhelmguard5295
@windhelmguard5295 Год назад
here is an observation that is worth looking into: the only thing psycho mantis can actually do according to MGS are: telepathy (mind reading and mind control) psychokinesis (moving objects and himself with his mind) turning invisible (within the visible spectrum specifically, he DOES remain visible in the infra red.) yet in MGSV we see him among other things: -phase through solid matter (such ass a helicopter or hospital walls) -interact with the dead (Ocelot killing the DARPA chief was an apparently an issue, which it wouldn't have been if mantis was also a medium) -and just to make sure, i've played through the entire sahelanthropus fight with thermal goggles on and didn't see him once. and keep in mind MGS takes place later in the time line, so if anything mantis should have gotten more or at least stronger abilities by this point, not fewer.
@GiantTalkingTree
@GiantTalkingTree Год назад
They also say that due to his cranial injury's that Venom snake could experience varying hallucinations. But there has always been extremes for everything in metal gear. Look at his predecessors team of freaky people. Heck even the burning man goes against all logic.
@CALIGULA198X
@CALIGULA198X 2 года назад
Happy Holidays guys. Thank you for ALL that you do. X.
@MisterBlackroad
@MisterBlackroad 2 года назад
When the game was new a few people talked about the 2nd Ishmael but then, when people were talking about the story a bit later on they all just overlooked it as if it wasn't important or put it off as a filler model to fill the room which is clearly untrue because it's too well visible and even focussed on directly. Not to mention that the so-called truth mission states that only 48 hours passed between Venom's surgery and his escape. That's literally impossible especially without nanomachines lol
@mezalos
@mezalos 2 года назад
A little hypothesis (just for fun). MGSV-GZ is developed in a different universe, that's why: -the guns have different names than the real life like in other games -snake and ocelot have different voices and personalities -volgin has fire powers instead of electric -the Skull unit (bosses) are repetitive The multiverse is explained by the wormhola and Metal Gear Survive (a simple explotion can open a portal to other dimension)
@Kio-Fox
@Kio-Fox 2 года назад
Ok so hear me out here what if MGS as a whole was all a dream the medic had while in a coma as he first dreamed of the action packed early adventure of big boss and later his clone solid snake until finally giving himself a role in his dreams
@foxhound-0
@foxhound-0 2 года назад
This channel = Legends appreciated all of your efforts
@justinmercado1185
@justinmercado1185 Год назад
Where is big boss’ eyepatch under the bandages?
@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures
The truth is staring us in the face. Naked Snake was missing his right eye in MGS3-1964, he is not in MGSV-1984. Ishmael was NEVER Naked Snake. I agree with @pythonselkan. Mission 46 is NOT the truth.
@kenshiro9232
@kenshiro9232 2 года назад
The best MGS Channel ever !!!
@Mad1Caster
@Mad1Caster 2 года назад
the fact that they are ducks makes them so worth getting 3:14
@tonioriginal3215
@tonioriginal3215 2 года назад
I still wonder why they changed the voice actor for big boss and venom snake, just keep David Hayter
@CraneoHR
@CraneoHR 2 года назад
by 1984 snake is over 50 years old his voice is bound to change
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
Venom Snake wasn't Big Boss, and the Ground Zeroes mission we played was being experienced through Venom Snake. Whilst Kiefer Sutherland certainly delivered an excellent performance as a New Snake, David Hayter can never be replaced as the original Big Boss 😉 - P&S
@playstation645angie
@playstation645angie 2 года назад
@@PythonSelkan I am new to your videos, but what do you mean with "Ground Zeroes was being experienced through Venom Snake" if Ground Zeroes was before the explosion. Or do you mean like a simulation to get Medic ready to play the part of BIG BOSS?
@CraneoHR
@CraneoHR 2 года назад
read hellper bro
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
​@@playstation645angie, due to evidence of dialogue/lore discrepancy we discovered between Peace Walker & Ground Zeroes, we have enough evidence to conclude that the Ground Zeroes mission we all played was Venom Snake experiencing an implanted memory (Hypnagogia/simulation of sorts) from the Patriots (hence David Hayter being replaced by Kiefer in GZ too!). This memory ultimately led Venom to trust Miller (since the Real Big Boss did not trust him any longer after Peace Walker). We suggest watching the following video for a better understanding of the whole concept - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bwH0AVGf5DI.html Also, welcome to our channel! 😄 - Python & Selkan
@jiegoitontheloose3081
@jiegoitontheloose3081 2 года назад
I think Kojima cant make another MGS game so my theory is that there is a whole new game hidden inside MGSV which will be unlocked some time in the future...... not an update but an entire game ........that would be crazy
@stapuft
@stapuft 2 года назад
damn if them duck genome soldiers arent cute as hell....
@TungstenViper
@TungstenViper 2 года назад
i always believed Mission 46 is just a well contructed lie, but as all lies, some details lead to inconsistencies. Ishmael is clearly Venom, manipulated into believing he's a savior, a martyr for the new world Big Boss wants to create. Part 1 is Ground Zeroes Part 2 is the Phantom Pain Part 3 is... see you in 1995
@kingartison
@kingartison 2 года назад
I swear I love it here y’all done managed to find sooooooooo much about this game to prove it’s much more than just a game
@DjDolHaus86
@DjDolHaus86 2 года назад
What we are seeing is the fragmented memory of a PTSD addled mind trying to make sense of a stressful event. Ishmael is a combination of characters both real and imaginary tied together by the image of the legendary hero, Big Boss. The initial setup of the scenario doesn't make any sense, if Big Boss was actually there to protect Ahab then why wasn't he armed? We see that the doctor has a pistol so there is no obvious reason why Ishmael (if he was Big Boss) wouldn't have had weapons stashed in the room to facilitate a defence or extraction in the highly likely scenario of an assault or assassination attempt. Whenever he has previously been on a mission where procuring weapons onsite has been the only option it has been because of political instability, this situation didn't have those parameters and therefore weapons should have been available in one form or another. We know that Big Boss is a skilled CQC practitioner but he's also a tactical mastermind and wouldn't have overlooked the vastly improved chances of survival provided by being armed. Big Boss is confident in his hand to hand abilities but he's not cocky enough to think that he could extract someone important relying on his fists alone when better options were clearly available. I don't know if you've highlighted this in previous breakdowns of the hospital scene but if we look at the shirtless model of Venom when available later in the story (Afghanistan onwards) we see he has a large scar on the front of his right shoulder but if we take a closer look we see a smaller triangular scar next to it that would be concurrent with a stab wound. If we look at how the knife thrown by Quiet is positioned in Ishmaels shoulder we see that the wider spine of the blade is at the top and this matches with the scar where the wider section of the wound is also at the top. Therefore we can conclude that Ishmael is Venom in this scene but his mind has put things together wrong because it can't make sense of things. This theme of confused recollection continues with the way Ishmael talks, he constantly says 'We' rather than 'I' up until the first combat scene where he says "I'll take right, you take left" followed by "I'll run a distraction" where he does neither. Ishmael also has pharmaceutical knowledge that while not beyond the limitations of Big Bosses knowledge, suggest the shared mind of a medical practitioner. Big Boss dressed in a hospital gown and wrapped in bandages to protect his identity doesn't appear until he crashes an ambulance into The Man on Fire. Where he was until this point I don't know but this is the only confirmed point at which they are in the same place, everything else is just the confused recollection of someone trying to make sense of bad situation. The mind makes up stories to make horrible events seem understandable.
@GamingStar1995
@GamingStar1995 2 года назад
Venom Snake is supposed to be the venom of the original Big Boss. Hence Venom. V(Ahab) Is Naked Snakes'(The true Big Boss) Best Soldier and personal Guard. He's the only one capable of preforming tasks that resemble The true big boss all the way down to the legendary CQC. (Although Big Boss' CQC is far too superior.) Venom Snake was supposed to be the vengeance incarnate of Big Boss, Killing those who destroyed mother base 9 years ago. This is why some of the wandering soldiers attack you on sight. And only Actions that big boss can perform (CQC or using a cardboard box) peaks their interest, that leads to a fulton extraction. Bog Boss's clones were, to a certain degree, rebellious, chaotic, and confused by their genetic nature. Each one of them sought to kill the other to prove who's better than the other and the original Snake. This is why Venom Snake was entrusted with being the ultimate distraction to the world while the Original Big Boss(John, Jack, Naked Snake, and ofc, ISHMAEL) continue to Run Fox Hound while you run Diamond Dogs and make your own legacy with his name and his face.
@raultrusca
@raultrusca 2 года назад
I think the truth mission is how venom sees the truth when he found out that he was just a body double.
@onecoolguy4526
@onecoolguy4526 9 месяцев назад
I feel like Ishmael's in-game model being used for the patient that's supposed to look like him is probably just for convenience. I also don't see any reason for there to be two Ishmaels in the first place; it doesn't add anything to the narrative
@zambekiller
@zambekiller 9 месяцев назад
I believe its supposed to be a hint at not believing everything you see and that no matter how much light you shine the truth will always remain hidden
@XXXX-r
@XXXX-r 4 месяца назад
Yes they just don’t want to do more work and some players just take it far away
@SBeest1
@SBeest1 4 месяца назад
Yes, this also occurred to me. Instead of being a hint, it could just be laziness on part of the developers: reusing the exact same 3d model in that sequence.
@razorfett147
@razorfett147 2 года назад
The problem with invoking thr "unreliable narrator" trope is that we, the audience are privy to moments that Venom is not. For example: we SEE Ismail walking away from the ambulance wreck with Ocelot while Venom hangs unconscious inside the van. This cannot be explained away by saying Venoms memory is faulty or manipulated...because he doesnt even witness the event. As for why BB would put himself in harms way to rescue his body guard? Well, he didn't. He went in to extract his body double...the person who was gonna take the heat off of him while he operated undercover for the next few yrs. In truth, the whole situation doesn't add up because the ppl coming to kill BB found out he woke up from his coma, but WHY? If he was such a threat, why not eliminate him BEFORE he wakes up? And even so, why send an entire squad to wreck the whole hospital and murder everyone in it when it would have been far easier and safer to just have someone undercover take him out quietly? I had to shut off my brain for that one and just go with it. I admire your desire to see more layers and complexity in whats presented, but it gets to a point where you basically just unravel the whole story and all meaning it might hold by assuming everything is a lie. If nothing you see can be believed, then theres no point in investing yourself in the story. Just my opinion. I enjoyed the video regardless. Cheers 🍻
@Legoluigi26
@Legoluigi26 2 года назад
I didn't realize BB meant Big Boss, and I thought you were talking about some bizarre Death Stranding fanfic.
@billwilson6248
@billwilson6248 2 года назад
XOF don't storm the hospital until Quiet's assassination attempt is foiled.
@andrejk.5765
@andrejk.5765 2 года назад
they didnt know where he was , until he was awake
@LadySienna1
@LadySienna1 2 года назад
I enjoyed razorfetts response...as mych as i love MGSV and also Python Selkan videos...theres always a question lingering still...
@DJstuff-q5g
@DJstuff-q5g 2 года назад
Theory: The twist is you are Chico. Venom has Dissociate Identity Disorder(source: Medical Paz scene)Ishmael, Skull face(disappearing Skull face scenes), Kaz, Ocelot , Quiet are all alters. Skullface's burns line up with venoms horns. Kaz and Ocelot act different this game to any other game, their are written like one dimensional characters that represent anger and logic. Quiet represents Chico's wishing he didn't constantly open his mouth with his friends dying because of it, in both Peacewalker and GZ tapes. Go look up the deleted artwork, you'll see a skull faced Chico who has such guilt he's wearing Paz's poncho. Venom has guilt about Paz (medical bay scene) but in Ground Zero Big Boss is indifferent to assassinating her(opening G.Z dialogue). If you look up enough D.I.D. material you'll find that it causes people to split to protect the brain from things to horrible to live with knowing, like torture or loved ones dying. Who do we know who's been tortured and forced to torture via sexual violence? Chico in GZ tapes. Who's totally missing in Phantom Pain? CHICO! the phantom pain we should feel is the gap of missing Chico. Chico is the hidden ground zero personality, that's not allowed to emerge. His brain would rather believe he is some medic then believe he's responsible for Paz's death. So how does Skullface torture Chico if Chico is Skullface? Skullface is an induced alter that does all the dirty work. I've read in D.I.D. sometimes one of your alters takes on the identity of the perpetrator . this is an MKUltra Manchurian Candidate induction by what I believe is the real Ocelot/Skullface. My only source for this is a guard line in GZ which says something along the lines of he looked like a cowboy for some reason I cant remember his face(paraphrase). So skullface could be a real guy in this fiction around G.Z. time or he could just exist as an induced Manchurian Candidate Alter used by hypnotherapist tortures like we know Ocelot to be(MGS4)
@jamiecummins4187
@jamiecummins4187 2 года назад
DAMN YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND
@spikey288
@spikey288 2 года назад
This is going way too deep lol.
@CrossfireTheory
@CrossfireTheory 2 года назад
You've just destroyed my whole logical world with this theory. Fuck, You deserved thousands of likes to be noticed!
@CrossfireTheory
@CrossfireTheory 2 года назад
There's still one thing that bothers me in addition to Your theory. In GZ in final scene there are 6 individuals in Morpho before Paz's suicide": 1. Boss 2. Medic 3. Paz 4. Miller 5. Masked soldier 6. Chico Paz is jumping off: 1. Boss ends up in a coma. 2. Medic took a shrapnel and particles of Paz's bones. 3. Paz died. 4. Miller lost his limbs and has some sort of glaucoma. 5. Masked soldier died. 6. What happened with Chico??? I mean, where is He? He wasn't just some random masked soldier to just die, He was a very important part of the story and then we jumped into "Phantom Pain" and where is he??? He isn't even in the mother base, He just disappeared like that.
@djr4yman
@djr4yman 2 года назад
@@CrossfireTheory The tapes ingame mention both Amanda (his sister) and him. Then they say that it wasnt fair or that it was very sad, what happened to Chico, implying he must have died in the crash
@alecaquino4306
@alecaquino4306 2 года назад
The game still looks amazing even after all these years!
@nocultist7050
@nocultist7050 2 года назад
This is what they call Art Direction. It always beats "graphics".
@larry.f
@larry.f 2 года назад
Didn't in the prologue Ishmael go into the room on the right - into which he pulls Venom into - and a confused Venom mistakes the man standing there as Ishmael as he lags behind? And they look exactly the same cause they didn't want to model another person as it would be just another wrapped up patient?
@morbingo96
@morbingo96 2 года назад
True! i was so confused i thought ishmael got shot to death
@lostShadowLord
@lostShadowLord 2 года назад
it was likely a way of save resources and time (during early testing of the game's environment) . Some one likely notice that the was two Ishmael on the screen and thought 'you want would be a good' scare' for the players? make them think your guide is killed'. The two model are pulling the same 'skin' hence why they're the same.
@rhatikeo
@rhatikeo 3 месяца назад
I'm Just a snake pretending to be a snake eating a snake disguised as another snake eating the pain of being snake eater
@YaowBucketHEAD
@YaowBucketHEAD 2 года назад
I'm sitting at my in laws house. Bored out of my skull. Then I get a notification that my favorite RU-vid creators (literally) have uploaded a MGS analysis. *IT'S A FESTIVUS MIRACLE.* Happy Holidays Python and Selkan!
@mrmojorisin241
@mrmojorisin241 3 месяца назад
Why hasn't Konami started development of the NES titles? MGS and Solid Snake 2..... These games could be a part 2 and 3 or TPP. And connect the dots between the NES titles and the PS1 game from 1999. Its a financially sound idea, come out with 2 remakes about stories never told on modern day gaming.
@fellowloganger1327
@fellowloganger1327 2 месяца назад
Simple money, compare the people who played MGS1 and MGS3 to MG and MG2 same reason the Silent hill 2 remake is coming out instead of SH1
@mrgenomac9018
@mrgenomac9018 2 года назад
its just a red herring dude. Big Boss enters the hallway then quickly maneuvers around the crowd and ducks off into the room on the right. The camera snaps back to Venom Snake just before Big Boss goes into the room. Venom Snake trails behind because he was messing with the gate for some stupid reason (last one close the door maybe). Venom shambles through the crowd, like a kid looking for his mommy, then wave checks his homie but its just a rando and gets lost in the sauce of his butt cheeks. Everyone does the flop and Big Boss dies a little on the inside for the stupidity he just seen.
@littleaqua32
@littleaqua32 2 года назад
Lol love this comment 😂
@zaer-ezart
@zaer-ezart 2 года назад
There's one thing that proves Venom snake is in fact the medic. And it's the Paz scenes, Big boss never cared about Paz like the medic did. All those scenes with Paz are hallucinations caused by the medic's guilt. He has big boss's memories and experiences but it's HIS hands that failed to find the second bomb, HE failed to Save Paz as the medic and not Big boss
@Hope_Prevail
@Hope_Prevail 2 года назад
Wait there was no second bomb, it only appeared as if she exploded from their point of view but they were shot down by another helicopter
@zaer-ezart
@zaer-ezart 2 года назад
@@Hope_Prevail No, there was a second bomb, the whole "Shot by the other helicopter" is a lie fabricated by venom to deny the truth and the fact he couldn't save paz
@PrinceKelify
@PrinceKelify 2 года назад
@@zaer-ezart Talk about mind f***
@SpikeVallen
@SpikeVallen 2 года назад
@@Hope_Prevail then why did Paz say “there’s another bomb….. It’s in my….” Then jumped off the plane moments before blowing up?
@Smilies-hb3mr
@Smilies-hb3mr 2 года назад
i stil play this game. im again at 70% completion :) and stil going i just love the gameplay
@rodrigokuszek
@rodrigokuszek 2 года назад
im at 79% and still going for at least 90%
@Chriscovelli1
@Chriscovelli1 2 года назад
Who else thinks MGS1 was a good balance of intriguing story, good gameplay, and AN EASY TO FOLLOW NARRATIVE! MGSV was great on gameplay. Nothing else can compete with it. But the story line......Jesus. What a mess. Hideo is an artist, but most fans truly love the feel of MGS1 and 3.
@djmary6454
@djmary6454 2 года назад
but what about volgin/man on fire? or how eli and venoms dna didnt match? volgin gave up on killing venom as soon as he actually got a closer look at him. if venom was actually naked snake wouldnt volgin have killed him? and if we take into account his connection to mantis, who connected with ahab and maybe ishmael or ishmael and maybe ahab, wouldnt he be able to some what tell the difference between them since mantis said he was able to read deep into peoples thoughts, no amount of subliminal and memetic rewriting would completely remove the original personality, as shown by liquid ocelot at the end of mgs4 and he had nano machines helping him be ocelot. this isnt to say volgin wouldve been told by mantis who was who but mantis wouldve known who he wanted his revenge on and probably wouldve help volgin focus on the og snake instead of the fake one. of course after cyperus, skullface had a stronger lust so volgins want was overruled but the same logic could be applied here too, though skullface was after revenge on the world so it didnt matter what snake was. but then we get to eli where the revenge is back on snake again, of course without ishmael mantis couldnt redirected it, and eli probably didnt care or was blind with his hatred. point being volgin didnt kill venom so its likely venom isnt naked snake. in the case of the dna not matching, ill say that its pretty easy for ocelot to lie about them not matching or switching dna samples to get a negative so take that as you will. overall i think venom is medic still because of how mgs4 ended and how the big boss is the one from mg2, old and new foxdie probably wouldnt have killed venom if he was the big boss at the end of mgs4 since his dna isnt the same as eli's, even with the graphed body parts of solidus and liquid it probably wouldnt have killed him. that is if the patriots didnt also code new foxdie with venoms dna included.
@jeffreyromeo3317
@jeffreyromeo3317 2 года назад
Is it possible that the whole hospital was filled with doubles convinced they were all big boss?
@SeanCMonahan
@SeanCMonahan 2 года назад
Now I want a mod that swaps every character model in the hospital with Big Boss's. Doctor? Big Boss. Nurse? Big Boss. Assassin? Big Boss. Man on fire? Believe it or not, also Big Boss.
@Venom_Byte
@Venom_Byte 2 года назад
Still playing and enjoying this gem today. Also, love the analyses, PythonSelkan! Such an underrated channel.
@volgintea1222
@volgintea1222 2 года назад
exactly
@619to974
@619to974 2 года назад
Pet D-dog for me next time you get to MB, Boss ! ;)
@tonylovesducks2501
@tonylovesducks2501 2 года назад
Same. I will never stop playing tpp
@mikesweet1603
@mikesweet1603 2 года назад
I pick this over these terrible ps5 titles everytime. Psnow is the only thing keeping me occupied right now. Just holding my breath for horizon and God of war.
@78SPLINTER
@78SPLINTER 2 года назад
I am the real BIG BOSS
@reigninblood3998
@reigninblood3998 2 года назад
I still remember buying this game the day after it released and the sheer fun i had just unlocking all the equipment i wanted before moving on in the story. Especially the walker you unlocked when you went to africa. A truly great game and while my xbox 360 broke back in the day and lost all of my saves. I am considering buying it again so i can think about how great it was back then.
@EnLVizions
@EnLVizions 2 года назад
I haven't given up the search, I'm still trying to figure out the actual events and how they happened! Thanks you two...
@trixy8669
@trixy8669 2 года назад
80's - Venom is brainwashed into BB. 90's - Solid Snake beats Venom and he is comatose with shrapnel in his head and body. 1999 - BB goes into a coma 2001 - Zero visits him on a Shell like structure in the ocean. 2014 - BB wakes up.
@SoukaDeezNutz
@SoukaDeezNutz 2 года назад
@@trixy8669 Venom survived his battle with Solid?
@Slavic_Snake
@Slavic_Snake 2 года назад
@@SoukaDeezNutz no
@G-DORA
@G-DORA 2 года назад
Something you should research if you haven't already, Digoxin, the drug Ishmael gives you. It actually suppresses your heart rate, and isn't a stimulant as he has you believe. Conveniently when Venom is hit with it, afterwards is when the hallucinations begin, but is also where the changes in the Truth mission stop. He's misremembering the events that unfold when he takes the photo from the doctor which changes the entire context of the game, but nothing after that. The cutscene with 'the actual Big Boss' and Ocelot is a scene without Venom, and therefore is a result of something he's inferring without actually knowing, it's Venom's truth, given to him by the Truth tapes (which unlock in the same way as the Paz truth tapes, through arbitrary gameplay until it's just given to you), and in the same way that Paz's Truth is a lie to Venom, Venom's Truth is a lie to us.
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
Perfectly explained 👏 Adding to our Ultimate MGSV Analysis, we are actually working on an analysis that will have a very similar explanation. - P&S
@G-DORA
@G-DORA 2 года назад
@@PythonSelkan Ah, very good to know. Also have you made a video on the significance of the plane crash at the beginning of the game? With pshyco mantis breathing? I haven't been able to discern any meaning from it 😭
@DebugMenu
@DebugMenu 2 года назад
I hate to break it to you, but this is a very common trope in movies where an actor is duplicated to create a confusing scene where the protagonist thinks their associate has been killed before it's revealed it was just someone else who looked exactly like him. I can understand reading very far into this if you're unfamiliar with the media this game is inspired by, but it's just meant to create a fun scene where you think Ishmael is killed before the real Ishmael pops out from the side and saves you. The truth is, it was canonically just another patient who looked just like him due to his obscured and generic overall appearance.
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
Hi LanceMcdonald, thank you for your comment! Being movie enthusiasts and also often involved in the film industry ourselves, we do understand your reasoning, but when an entire mission is repeated for the sake of revealing the truth, you'd expect to see the real events of what truly went down. When such a twist is revealed at the end of a movie, you always see repeated highlights of the movie showing the protagonist from another perspective. If we take "Fight Club" for example, after the Narrator realizes that Brad Pitt's Tyler Durden was his split personality, we see several scenes of the movie repeated with the Narrator alone - talking to himself, NOT with Tyler again.. That would defeat the whole purpose of the repetitions, or in the case of MGSV, replaying the entire mission. In this case, the Second Ishmael can never have looked precisely the same as Ishmael (multiple bandages made him distinguishable) - unless Venom imagined him from his perspective - which would be understandable, but, if the "Truth" mission was the actual truth, in the final mission - the Second Ishmael would have looked differently, only THIS way would the viewer realize that Venom mistook that patient for Ishmael the first time around. The mod simply confirmed that - as we initially analyzed - the two Ishmael models were precisely the same from head to toe (two hospital bands, exact-looking bandage on his right arm, etc.) In our opinion, if the confusion remains even in the "Truth", then it's simply no truth at all. Let's not forget, all of this is complemented by several other factors, such as Ishmael having both eyes when Big Boss clearly lost his right eye in Operation: Snake Eater, his beard not being visible under his bandaged-covered face - only for him to reappear all bearded just moments later, Ishmael not shooting the soldier on the right, his knife injury disappearing within seconds, & more... We get that this could have been intended as a fun scene, but when you're showing the audience the truth, there is no longer place for fun scenes unless they're still being fed lies - which is one of MGSV's strong themes. #1984 - Python & Selkan
@Creecher98
@Creecher98 2 года назад
You could be right. But you also might be looking to far into the double use of Ishmael model. They put him there as a distraction and a butt joke and I think copying the model just for that makes more since than creating a whole new character model for a few seconds of gameplay/cinematic. Also there are two Big Bosses. As seen in the original metal gear games where solid defeats first venom snake then the real Big Boss
@Zeroless
@Zeroless 2 года назад
maybe if you believe the lies the game tells, you'll find closure but looking into it makes you feel the phantom pain
@elieharriett9078
@elieharriett9078 Год назад
Wouldn’t Ground Zeroes be considered part 1 and TPP parts 2 and 3?
@CRISIS_COMICS
@CRISIS_COMICS 2 года назад
Solid Snake was conflicted in the grave yard against Big Boss, if he really wanted to he could’ve put Big Boss down. ALSO the script for V states that Ishmael would’ve beaten Quiet if he had fully recovered from his coma.
@spikey288
@spikey288 2 года назад
I'm also pretty sure that Naked was holding back, because if he showed his prowess in CQC Venom would recognize him since him and Venom have been working with eachother for years and Naked trained him.
@eyesnapples6167
@eyesnapples6167 2 года назад
nah BB takes him on on close quarters anytime
@jacobhealy8376
@jacobhealy8376 2 года назад
he wasnt in a coma
@SirDankleberry
@SirDankleberry 2 года назад
@@jacobhealy8376 He was, he woke up earlier than V.
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
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@RafaelSValerio
@RafaelSValerio Год назад
Ishmael is Medic, Ahab is Chico
@AAAJOEY
@AAAJOEY 2 года назад
Unrelated to these revelations, I just noticed something from the Shining Lights mission: when Snake walks down the hallway and transitions into a demon, the same way he sees himself in the ending cutscene, a firefight is suddenly heard in the background. This is the same noise you hear in both the very first cutscene in the game before the tape is played, and in the final scene when Snake breaks the mirror and walks into the darkness. The gunfire continues as the camera cuts to the bodies of soldiers on the ground. Considering MGSV is a memory recalled by Snake listening to the tape from the Man Who Sold The World, could he be blending two memories together here? Two memories involving the death of his men, once by his hand and another due to following Boss's orders and playing the role he needed to play?
@greyfoxzero
@greyfoxzero Год назад
I'm the dude that's playin' the dude disguised as another dude. Venom Snake
@jadinwemette8251
@jadinwemette8251 Год назад
Lincoln "venom" Osiris
@INeatFreak
@INeatFreak 2 года назад
The recycled model of Ishmael was only to make players go towards him, going through the crowd, rather than just waiting at behind and getting killed.
@georgespencer8155
@georgespencer8155 2 года назад
"You are watching the story unfold from the EYE of an unreliable narrator"
@ianfinrir8724
@ianfinrir8724 2 года назад
Kojima is a great story teller, but I wouldn't leave him in charge of a damn bowl of Jell-O.
@FiorixF1
@FiorixF1 Год назад
Indeed there is something missing. Already in the first run of the prologue I noticed the doctor saying about possible hallucinations due to teeth and bones in Venom's head, and I thought this aspect was crucial in the story. I even thought that the Skulls were just creation of venom's mind and they don't exist... But then this aspect is never referenced anymore. Finally, knowing that Ishmail is Big Boss, I noticed he has both eyes. Surely there is something more to tell.
@isgamer-8732
@isgamer-8732 Год назад
He could just use a fake eye
@MultiTrollface999
@MultiTrollface999 Год назад
BB's eye was never actually shot, the muzzle flash blinded it. I'm sure you could've fixed it eventually
@xxlamaxx1
@xxlamaxx1 Год назад
He does hallucinate, like when he sees paz, or himself as big boss in the mirror. And the physical impairment is that he gets colorblind when injured, which you can see in the prologue and in the cut mission 51
@tomb4250
@tomb4250 2 года назад
Very well done! But i for once do not believe MGSV was shipped as intended, I know this is a hardcore base here but still Kojima is only Human despite what Kaz says. That would mean EP. 51 was always meant to be unfinished, yeah Koji renaming it the Phantom Episode and showing 30% of the cutscenes 95% fully voiced w/ jaw dropping artwork is genius but doesn't get over the real life problems at Konami that went on in the final months. It sure as hell works but it was never intended to be that way. After the DS announcement, Koji also stated when asked what kind of a game it will be, he said It will be a full game this time. But again, well done, awesome new discovery. Always keep the legend alive, merry Christmas 🎄
@istrumguitars
@istrumguitars 2 года назад
I had everything but closure in MGSV. The ending was so inconclusive it made me feel uncomfortable, preempting my struggle searching for answers ever since.
@drearmouse9510
@drearmouse9510 2 года назад
Like some sort of.. phantom pain? ;P ..such a masterpiece, MGSV.
@lowang9708
@lowang9708 2 года назад
U are a genius these are interesting points, but to me i like the fact that it wasn't really snake it was just you, me, the player in general. I remember playing the game with passion, i helped all my soldiers and build the base fully, all allies and never killed someone in action unless i had to. I felt great i was like damn snake is the best chacter ever, until the game told me that it wasn't snakr it was me, in a way the game tells you "you're awesome, thanks for being a part of metal gear" at that point i really didn't care anymore who's snake and who's not, the series came to an end and it was phenomenal
@renataabdo3920
@renataabdo3920 2 года назад
The truth for me is pretty simple. Which better way to protect Big Boss than make him believe that he was not Big Boss? The one who left is the Medic that believes himself to be Big Boss while we being the real Naked Snake believe ourselves to be a "fake". Also the fact that the sharpnel on his forehead may cause hallucinations makes it much more easier for him to be manipulated by a fabricated story that doesn't distinguishes real from fantasy. The doctor states that the sharpnel couldn't be removed, but who knows? It was way too convenient for it to be there rather than not. Also, dataminers had removed the bandages from "Ishmael" and his model is no other than the medic in Ground Zeroes...
@Gazzoosethe1
@Gazzoosethe1 2 года назад
Exactly, that's what i am thinking. Also on the jacket when there's the fronal shot scene before going away with the bike he has the diamond dogs jacket?
@Chillerveli
@Chillerveli 2 года назад
@@Gazzoosethe1 because ocelot literally gives him clothes?
@CactusCJ
@CactusCJ 2 года назад
I've been slowly getting back into metal gear and holy crap how did I never find this channel? Subbed and ready to binge the entire channel this is great content!
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan 2 года назад
Thank you so much for your kind comment 🙏 We hope you enjoy your stay! 😀 - P&S
@Kuzurimo
@Kuzurimo 2 года назад
If you know Hideo Kojima, you know there is more to come. truth is a twisted mind game that leads to the lie.
@ElimGarakSpoonHead
@ElimGarakSpoonHead 2 года назад
I am fascinated by the fact that Kojima uses interpreters when he clearly understands and probably speaks fluently multiple languages and always uses a Japanese interpreter
@lukabrasi001
@lukabrasi001 2 года назад
he might understand the language here and there, but i doubt he could speak it fluently. same as some of my friends. they can understand SOME english, like written english, they understand a few words and make up the rest of the sentence by what they think is logical. but if they had to construct sentences on their own, they couldn't do it.
@JaiGalz
@JaiGalz Год назад
I'm sorry, I don't buy it. I really would like to tho, but I think Kojima is really done with MGS (and Konami, especially after Survival). Tho I'm grateful for all the games, after MGS1, Kojima was always pushed to do more and more, even tho he wanted to part ways with it. MGS2 tried to be the last one, MGS4 was indeed the one that filled all the missing pieces of the story and by MGSV you can clearly feel how Kojima was already tired of expanding the series... The game just expands in a way to make you understand why you had to kill Big Boss 2 times, how did he created 2 large military companies and how did ocelot, miller AND Zero influenced the whole plot, explaining how ocelot ended up with Liquid, Miller with Solid and Zero not hating Big Boss. It also references the main plot of the 2nd game stating "anyone can be Solid Snake, the perfect soldier". I don't find the game rushed nor unfinished. It's true that the final part (Eli, the kids and Sahelantropus) was left behind, but it just adds more story, not being crucial for understanding plot holes or so. Yeah, Venom is unreliable, but it does not change that fact that, at the end, there where 2 Big Bosses who you had to kill after the events of V. If there is a 6th game, I would love to play a MG1 and MG2SS remake. But I really think MGS saga is over, and, without Kojima, I really hope it's over.
@PythonSelkan
@PythonSelkan Год назад
We appreciate your comment and for sharing your thoughts with us. Something which we should point out though is that this video is not meant to theorize that Big Boss never had a Body Double... We're actually the ones who predicted the Body Double twist in MGSV years before release. What this analysis is meant to show is that the Ending is still being falsely interpreted through the eyes of Venom Snake, just as the intro hospital sequence was - which is why Venom is still seeing a duplicate of Ishmael even in the "Truth" mission, something which would not have happened if we were seeing the actual events of what went down at the hospital. Whether Venom was truly aided by someone during his escape remains to be seen, but Venom and Big Boss being two separate Snakes remains a fact. - P&S
@RZ_2K
@RZ_2K 2 года назад
Kojima is the only man that can truly bridge the gap between games and reality, not VR or ultra-realistic graphics, but the feeling you get from a game and how it lasts forever
@Idk-mz2mm
@Idk-mz2mm 2 года назад
Is this 2015 all over again
@__-fi6xg
@__-fi6xg 2 года назад
Sounds Like a severe Case of personality disorder or shizophrenia. Maybe to cope with the past, He Had to imagine to be another man, so His Brain could handle the pain? All the symbolism make Sense If you think about shizophrenia, Not only is He another man, He hallucinates a Lot in and right after the Hospital Scene where He probably Had many painkillers. We See how He remembered, experienced Things, from big Boss perspective. Not what actually happaned since er are all big Boss so WE suffer with him, with His illness in this Game. And Not somebody who really Recorder the facts.
@Loreweavver
@Loreweavver Год назад
With the fact that 1984 is such a big influence I believe the events of the game aren't replacing Big Boss with a double but a repatriation of Big Boss after Peace Walker.
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