Really more of a mic match up, since there is not one mic that will fit every singer 0:00 U67 2:30 U47 5:00 C12 7:30 ELAM 251 Added a Ribbon Mic to the Mix. You can check that out at: • Mic Shootout - Ocean W...
Well damn. You really have the whole lineup of basically all the important ones. Her vocals are just outstanding! The bottom end of the U47 was excellent on THIS subdued tune, but that C12 literally sounds like "a record that some grammy winning diva just made".
Before I read this comment I literally had the same thought as I cycled through the different mics. I thought I would automatically love the U47, but I caught myself pausing on the C12 because it sounded so perfect for this particular singer / track.
WOW What an incredible singer and an equally incredible recording !!! This is in every way the perfection we all strive for, a quiet recording that is also intimate and full of emotion... This is Brilliant
@@giselegillen6731 you are really trying to get me in trouble. Ha ha. Now I have to check out the Melodium 42b while here in Paris. Any tips where I can go? My review will be on the Ocean Way M1-b. I had just unwrapped it then had to leave for France. I still have a week here then I get to try it. Meanwhile, is it worth checking g out the 42b while here? Hmmm... souvenir.....8-)
@@HarvinderSingh-yy8th cool, I guess. The one in vid is vintage. Not saying it’s bad, but it doesn’t work near as well as the c12 and 251 on this voice
I (unfortunately) prefer the U47 - unfortunately since it's completely unaffordable (I own the U67 re-issue) if not almost impossible to get hold of. It sounds close to the U67 but has that tad bit bump in the right frequencies which makes it sound very exciting and mix-ready without ANY eqing
Interesting isn’t it. The 47 just slots so well in a mix and you can see why. That mid range honk just great. The Elam251 sounds mix ready though. Great sound.
Hi Jon! Ha ha. Not really meant to have a winner. Just hopefully showing the different characteristics. I appreciate your vote choosing the 251 for a more modern sound.
The U47 had a kind of 'human' quality to the sound, and the 251 had fantastic detail and tonal balance. I preferred these two to the others, although they were all amazing. Love the singer too.
Really nice mic comparison. Great singing. I find it hard to pick between these classic mics. You couldn't go wrong with any of them. All are outstanding in different ways.
Nice to hear a mic shootout with actual music and not the typical autotuned pop pap. Very nice! I liked the U47 and ELAM 251 best, depending on the intention. Amazing clarity on the 251 with the U47 providing a more 'vintage' but equally amazing sound. The U67 is also great but I hear a bit more of the mic working as opposed to the naturalness of the voice itself. Like it's a bit veiled sounding, though very intimate and pleasant still.
@@orangeroom5414 I wouldn't say I 'didn't care', all the mics sound great but I'd probably add a tiny bit of 8k or 10k to the U47 and C12. Upon listening again, I think the 251 sounds just about perfect to me, 'HiFi' and clear but also round and warm. There is a presence and 'grab' to it that isn't hyped. The U67 came in last for me, I hear more of the mic instead of the voice, it says 'vintage' but I'm not sure if I like that so much.
I think the U47 is the odd one of the bunch. It was the one that I didn't expected to do so well on her female voice, but I actually found it to be the most emotional. All the others are great as expected, but are more articulate and that seemed to take away some of the emotion for me. Cheers. Fabulous video by way!
This is the best shootout I have seen on RU-vid for these mics. The singer, the music and the song itself makes it easier to compare them. Really nicely done guys! Would love to see more videos from you! The vocalist is just top notch! Could you please publish the signal chain? Thanks a ton!
@@skolappacaguy I've had it forever. The U47, from Vintage King a long time ago. They went to my studio and had me sample about 5 of them and I chose the one I have.
Well the open top end of the 251 is very apparent and in such and intimate setting maybe a little too much, but for more complex settings that was the one that required the lest effort to keep present in a mix. I worked for a long time in a facility that had 67s, 47s, but just 1 251. The 67s lived in the piano. The 47s came out when something needed to sound "larger". Upright especially. Harmon mute (covered with a sock, bell touching the windscreen). But that particular 251 more or less lived on the big vocal boom with the wheeled base - just tied a felt bag around it when not in use.... Thanks for this - so well done. Listened for an hour on my little Genelec "ones" ... What a vocal delivery!
Thank you so much for your insight. Must have been a blast working in a place that had access to great mics and great artists! Your contribution is absolutely appreciated!
Great shootout, a great singer, and song choice. I'd love to hear the .wav files. I love the chest of the Neumann's and the air of the C12 and Elam 251. They are all classic mics.
That 251 had everything for her voice. It had the full body with all the transients and high end you'd want without being splashy. The c12 was close but was missing the body.
Beautiful mic comparison! My favorites are the U67 and the C12. The U47 is like a more perfect version of the U67 but the imperfections of the U67 is what makes me want it more because it sounds so damn unique lol. The 251 is like a more balanced C12 but the fact that the C12 is the C12 makes me want it more :) Plus, I like the high end of the C12. Gorgeous ;)
Yeah. I keep going back to the U67 on certain parts because it sounds so unique. You instantly can tell the difference between them. It's a little fatiguing on some parts though. The AKG is an all around work horse and I can see it being more useful for more applications with a wider low end. In some parts of the song though the U67 just shines and opens up her voice.
My Goodness this man is very Talented I did not expect that, because I was here for a college assignment research, but found a nice mellow singer too. and I am going to go ahead and get this Microphone.
Best demo ever......67 had a perfect balance with body , the 47 was sexy, warm and gorgeous but a lot of lip and mouth noise was picked up. The AKG was simply lovely ....and Telefunken was too much everything ..harsh at times
Thanks Vincent for your feedback. Pretty sure if I spent more time preparing and customizing, I could fix the issues you heard with the 47 and would be able to tame the 251. The goal was just to see the general differences in character.
It's the Telefunken without any doubt whatsoever and Telefunken has just reissued it using the original design! It's 12 grand but it's a lifetime mic and well worth the investment!
@@MatthewBarelick I agree that it's aufetime investment. It is a workhorse in my mic locker and has equally captured priceless recordings that are now forever preserved.
Beautifully done, thanks. What I really loved was that they all sound fantastic. You wouldn't be wrong to choose any of them. The 67 had the best low level detail, but the 251 was the most polished for her vocal. The C12 sounded really good too, but I kept noticing a slightly boomy resonance on certain notes that wasn't on any of the others. It was a little like when a bass has a few notes that boom out and drive you mad when mixing. The 47 sounded truly classic. I'd love to hear the exact same shootout with a powerful male vocal, hint hint ;-) Great work!
I love how there's no blanket consensus on any of the mics in the comments here! Usually these mic shoot-outs compare industry legends and modernised clones, reissues, or budget options and comments usually gravitate towards the industry standard regardless so it's really refreshing seeing a lineup of legends and a real honest diversity of opinion. Great great vid! To me, surprisingly, I loved the U47. I'm used to hearing that mic emphasise bassier male vocals and didn't think it'd stand out in this lineup but it was so good. It had *just* enough of an open top end to add definition and clarity to the consonants and the full mids and low end just made it feel so intimate, it was a very emotional sound and I loved it. The U67 and C12 were good, but I don't think they lent themselves to this piece much. They were well rounded, but they both felt a bit bombastic in their own way, the U67 in a more classic way, the C12 in a bit more modern a way, and I think either of these could have been contenders if you were belting this piece but as it was I don't think they made their cases as well as the U47. The 251 is one of my personal faves so I was really rooting for it and I was really disappointed with it here honestly. It added so much to your high end that it went well past the point of airy and open and felt a bit too sharp and sibilant. Did you have a favourite out of these?
Thanks for your detailed feedback AR! I agree with your thoughts. I started by comparing these mics and after hearing comments, it's as you say, all over the place. I then realized, the goal of the test really has to narrow down to which mic would fit this singer in this genre out of the box. I can tell you, she has a biased favorite, the C12. But that's her taste and that's what inspires her. If not for this test, she wouldn't even consider recording with the others. So - in this scenario, I would have to say the C12 not because I think it was necessarily the best sounding, but I think I can get the best performance of her using that mic. A few weeks ago, I had a singer where we went through the same line up, and both of us were blown away by the 251 and went wioth that. Before that, I used the U47 for a whole album as the person was all smiles when he tried it. This exercise allowed me to easily identify the different characteristics of the mics so I can have a best guess which mic might fit the next artist I'm working with. So then fast forward, I tried this again with the different mics with different mic pres, and sigh, I told myself, it's time to go to work! LOL. Thanks again for your comments.
For me, they are all amazing, but on this material and her voice, I liked the C12 best, followed by the U47, U67, and the 251 last. But, none were bad.
With these 4 mic models, the problem can only be coming from the sound source. For the rest, it's sure of excellent quality, you can't go wrong. honorable mention to U67, which, in my view, among the 4, must be the one that recorded throughout history the greatest number of hits in the phonographic industry. greetings from Salvador-Bahia, Brazil!
Fantastic video, great singer! To me you can really hear how the microphone changes the mood. They're all fantastic but as people who care about gear, we need to discuss that more than just which one is 'better'. We rarely talk about how gear changes the mood, which is what music is all about isn't it? With that in mind, here's how I would rate them for this song and singer: U67 - lean and understated but natural and classy. gorgeous without even trying. U47 - bold, refined, and luxurious. that special big date night kind of sound. C12 - classy, refined, flawless. if a mic were and occasion, this one requires your best outfit, jewelry, and fragrance. 251 - a little more on the raw side, almost aggressive on a sweet song like this. those qualities bring a vulnerability to the singer's voice that seems appropriate.
Thank you @Push Twist Pop!. Very well said. Absolutely not about which one is better as you say. Your take on this is loudly heard and noted. Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to contribute to the discussion.
Basically, I thought that the U47 and 251 conveyed the most emotion (and were the most acoustically pleasing). And, I felt that the 251 conveyed the most intimacy. But of course, everyone's ear is different, and it depends what speakers/headphones they are listening to this on. I'm listening on the speakers of a Macbook Pro.
She would sound good on a standard SM-58, however from what I heard here all are great by the C12 seems it would need less processing in the track where the u47 seems kinda spongy I noticed that with my U47 on some vocals. The U67 was duller again great mic just leaned a tad dull. But the C12 & 251 were really good with the C12 coming out a little on top. Great mics & Great Video thanks for sharing!!!
U67 way above the others for her lovely voice...! Thanks for a great job..! don't get me wrong the others are fabulous mics too... second best is the U47 , third comes the C12 and last by far the ELAM 251.
Ditto the comments on her amazing voice! To my old ears, I thought that the softer passages had an ethereal quality on the U67, which I liked very much.
She's so close to the mics it's a bit hard to really judge. But for me it's the U67 and the C12. But that could be because there less proximity effect with those mics.
Well, if you want "what comes out is what went in", most people in the industry know the U67 wins every time (with just a micro tad of sweetness added from the tube). The rest of them add more color, which is usually what people want ( if the "color' added is what color they want). I know, back in the day,..female vox (at least the ones I was aware of) leaned more heavily to the C12 than the others. We usually always went with U87 unless there were some U67s around. Now that the world is digital, you can't just go with a U87 and be good. You don't get help from natural tape compression,etc.,
Greetings, This was an amazing comparison between great mics!!! Also if I may add thank you for having a vocalist who's voice didn't take away from the listening experience, but rather added to it overall. You can really hear the prox effect on the mics. It sounded like you did multiple takes and did not do them all at the same time because the delivery changed everytime. BUT, things still can through fairly well. I gotta agree that the C12 was my choice of all these takes, but once again I'm so happy that this video was made. Do you have the waves available for download? I would love to hear these go up against some of the clones using the same song. I wonder how things would stand up.
Thank you for taking the time to give your feedback. I will have to look for these wav files. I'm pretty sure I have it. When I get a chance I will give you access to them. I also added a ribbon mic in the mix to compare. Check it out in my channel. You are right, recorded all of them seperately. I wanted to use the same mic pre for all and didn't have ability to do it all at once. Thanks again.,
Like a number of other commenters I found the ELA M 251 quite captivating on her voice in terms of the pushed sound and the warm air. And the sound may have benefited from the known proximity effect of this mic. That said, sibilance on the top end is noticeable and IMHO distracts from the loveliness of the performance. I actually found the U67 to be the most balanced for her voice. Subjective listening of course.
Thank you for this comparison! ❤ They are all legendary mikes and each one is incredible... However I have been a u67 fan for years now and I find the sound of it the most natural and most pleasing to my ears of all the microphones ever made.... but it's always nice to read other people's opinion to see how different they percept the sound. Anyway, I am picking up u67 this month and it's my dream coming true... Thank you again!
Great singer! Very good representation of those mics. I wish an M49 with M7 capsule had been thrown in and that would have pretty much covered the vintage tube mics. Still very good shootout!
C12 sounds phenomenal as well as the 251!!!! I would love to hear comparsions from your vintage Mics against the Townsends Labs Sphere L22. How close will this moddeling Mic come against the real ones? But I'm sure nothing beats the real deal!
Thanks for the comment. I do not have access to the Townsends Labs Sphere L22. Most of these mics would probably come really close. For me, a big part of what it gives is that inspiration that you are singing in a mic with lots of history behind it. Happy holidays to you!
For me, u67 delivers a very consistent tonality throughout, although at the cost of very very slight dynamic range, almost like compressing some of the tonality, if that makes any sense. The u47, regardless of freq response, seems to deliver more midrange presence throughout (not what I expected). C12 seems to be a tad brighter than all, but in a very sonically pleasing way. At times, the ELA m 251 sounds a bit thin, and just doesn't fill a niche with this singer (nit pick). I think, interestingly enough, the u67's almost subdued tone works best for this specific performance and singer. Of course, the caveat is, all these differences are minute and the actual tangible differences between mics of this caliber are just that, minute. The performance is stellar and all of these mics shine in their own regard.
WOW! Wonderful comparison! Wonderful Singing! Thank youuuuu! C12 makes my bold hair stand up! :D i like her voice best on the C12! hands down!!!!!!!!!!! witch one did you like ? witch one did the singer like?
Check out the #2 test. This time, I alternated the mics within a song. I also had her sing about 12-14 inches away to get a better balance. Let me know if it changes for you. Thanks. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YsgYY3NXBeI.html
The Telefunken is larger than life! Is there noise reduction done here, and not on the Ribbon video? It's interesting, the Ribbon seems to have more detail/high end than most of the condensers, but it seems like the processing might have been a bit different? What did you think of the Ribbon?
Loved the smoothness of the u67, the u47 sounded the biggest, C12 had too much audible distortion, the ELAM 251 sounded the most modern (my choice). They all sound phenomenal though. It's choosing between royalty, really. All major sounds are represented, and just about all others are clones of these in some manner.
Man you've got some ears. I couldn't hear much distortion until she got into her chest voice, and even then it didn't seem like too much to me. I've got some learning left to do! 😁
U67 has clarity and brightness, but still smooth enough when more vocal presences is given by the singer . The ELA M 251 sounded very close to the U67, but lacked a little behind in the U67 smoothness when the singer pushed more presence into the mic. The U47 would be my 3rd pick, with all obviously having the ability to sound better than the other depending on the vocalist voice. Great shootout and very nice vocals!
what a nice shootout, surprisingly useful too for those who want to have some idea what modern copies of those try to achieve i don't like too warm/fat sound so i'd rate them c12 > u47 > 251 >u67 u67 sounded pretty much like a ribbon, that's way too much for me
The 47 might be out of spec at this point. I forget the component responsible but as the mics age they can get bright, and this 47 sounds a little too bright. The 67 sounded nice as they usually do. The 251 reissue was not very good. The high end is just not very pleasant on the Tele USA versions. A real 251 has a very full and balanced sound and this did not sound as full as it should. The C12 sounded like magic.
@@orangeroom5414 the prettiest thing about it is that everything is bypassable , so you can use its pure signal with any flavor of compression/eq you like (kinda DW fearn pre)
Should've have given the singer credit on this one, man. Sorry if I couldn't find it below. And the 251 is just stunning. I mean, they all are outstanding. But holy friggin' cow that 251.
Ha ha. Appreciate your comments. Regarding the singer, my wife prefers her recordings be private and not be known. I’m lucky she allowed me to post this. 8-(
Amazing voice, man. Thanks for the vid, it was well done. I've worked with the C12 before but not the ELAM 251. Questions answered and I'm blown away. Difficult to find quality vids. What pre, if you don't mind sharing? Wasn't sure anything could hang with the C12. @@orangeroom5414
@@flacmonster I believe I used my Retro Powerstrip for that recording. Lately, I’ve been using the Manley Voxbox for vocals and I have to say, I’m in tears of joy when I put my C12 or the 251 on it.
Interesting. I recently removed the VoxBox and the 737SP from my wish list. That darn list changes so often I'm not entirely certain it's relevant. That being said, I'm very nervous about printing EQ and Compression on the way in. :P@@orangeroom5414
Great comparison video. Thanks! The ELAM 251 sounded insanely good on her voice, left the others in the dust. I could never afford a 251 but I have a 414eb with the CK12 capsule so at least I got that. If those mics are yours congrats!
I disagree. The US "Elam" from this scammer company who bought the Telefunken name rights has not much in common with the original. The only thing that sounds good is the [borought] name
@@RockmannMusic A little harsh there my Rocketmann 8-). I don't work for Tele-USA so I'm very neutral. I only buy mics that inspire me and artists I work with. This 251 definitely does that. I'm happy they and other clones have tried to really replicate the almost unattainable vintage 251 - or at least the better sounding versions as they definitely had inconsistency in manufacturing. I am particularly impressed that I can take any part of this mic and use it to replace any part of a vintage 251 and it will work. That gives me confidence as to the detail they put into this. Besides, don't discount that you like the "borought" name. That alone may hold or even increase the value of the mic long term and perhaps, it may be worth investing in this mic . In any case, this was not about vintage vs Tele-USA. I was providing hopefully good info on the different characteristics of mics I have access to. Take care my mann.
The C12 was probably the best fit here, but the U67 was a damn close second...I think the U67 was my personal fav (just felt so full and balanced) but the C12 did have a lovely definition about it! The 251 just didn't work...too bright for this type of song. The U47 was great (duh) but almost felt too thick and saturated to me.....too colourful in the midrange maybe. Thanks for doing this! Killer vocalist
