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This upload is a companion video to the Parkinson special of 1973, featuring an extended debate between Kenneth Williams and union leader Jimmy Reid, with a little help from the audience. That programme can be found here;
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During this segment preceding the debate episode, Parky and Kenneth Williams got into a brief, heated exchange over the conduct of the trade union movement, and social and political ideologies more generally. Although by today's standards there wasn't too much in it, it garnered such a reaction that Kenneth was invited back to debate with union leader Jimmy Reid for a special show. In this case, both Parkinson and Kenneth Williams showed their professionalism, in that neither allowed things to escalate, and KW himself defused any tension with a brilliantly over the top, "I've never been so insulted!"
Otherwise it's an interesting combination of guests, with Sir John appearing to have a great time. It ends with a poignant reading, by Kenneth Williams and Maggie Smith, of John Betjeman's Death in Leamington.
In a subsequent retrospective, Michael Parkinson stated that this episode was from late 1972, but it may have been early in 1973.
#MichaelParkinson #KennethWilliams #MaggieSmith #JohnBetjeman #Parkinson

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@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
RIP PARKY. Michael Parkinson has passed away, August 16th, 2023, aged 88. 🙏
@ctmcollins4160
@ctmcollins4160 Год назад
Jst noticed that you posted this to begin with! Duh......Thanx for putting it out there.
@davidevans3227
@davidevans3227 11 месяцев назад
thankyou for the bit in the description too.. interesting
@marillionman8811
@marillionman8811 7 месяцев назад
Parkinson was the best interviewer this country and possibly the world could ever have.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 7 месяцев назад
I totally agree, in this case both he and KW instinctively knew just how far they could push their disagreement without it getting out of hand, and the throw to John Betjeman just defused everything brilliantly. They really did make telly for adults in those days, when it was all about the guests and not the host. His interview with Orson Welles from around 1972 I think was among his best. @@marillionman8811
@Patrick3183
@Patrick3183 3 месяца назад
Died on Madonna’s 65th birthday
@Richard19551
@Richard19551 Год назад
Kenneth Williams is so WILDLY articulate! What a wonderful group! Thank you for posting!
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Thank you for commenting, I agree, I find him fascinating to listen to whether you agree with him or not.
@highdownmartin
@highdownmartin Год назад
A fair bit of repetition deviation and hesitation in this instance. But a tour de force, is our Ken.
@pete7825
@pete7825 3 года назад
Just perfect. Will culture and TV ever reach those heights again?
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 3 года назад
It's a brilliant segment. I particularly like how both Parky and KW knew when to rein it in so things wouldn't get out of hand. KW's "I've never been so insulted" was perfectly timed. I totally agree with your comment, this is one of my favourite Parkinson moments.
@michaelgreene7041
@michaelgreene7041 3 года назад
If the likes of Big Brother and Celebrity Love Island are anything to go by, we are heading at breakneck speed back to the primordial swamps from whence we came. Note too how the speakers are allowed finish a sentence without being interrupted, another sadly bygone relic from yesteryear.
@georgemorley1029
@georgemorley1029 2 года назад
Never.
@andrewmcilwraith1997
@andrewmcilwraith1997 2 года назад
@@georgemorley1029 No never! Can you imagine this now? Democratising video media seemed liberating, and I suppose it was, but we should have known what would result. Love this, pish that a lot of it is. However, we will never know this again. I want educated pish, yeahhhh!!!XXX
@garetcrossman6626
@garetcrossman6626 Год назад
An educational and entertaining discussion, but nothing to do with Parkinson. In fact, even here, Parkinson's few interventions are totally unnecessary.
@grahamhill2130
@grahamhill2130 Год назад
Wonderful how Parkinson gave his guests the time to speak and be involved - a great skill. RIP
@Scottie_S
@Scottie_S Год назад
What I wouldn't give to be able to turn back the clock to have Kenneth Williams back in our universe. He was smart, witty and told great stories that I used to love listening to.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Yes, and this combination with John Betjeman and Maggie Smith is about the ultimate 'comfort watch'.
@clarehennessey3653
@clarehennessey3653 Год назад
Agreed. If there was ever a time that humanity needed inspiration, it's now.
@naradaian
@naradaian 3 месяца назад
Holy moly. Tv was once worth watching Absolutely fabulous
@crazyorganist1609
@crazyorganist1609 Месяц назад
It really was
@bernie4268
@bernie4268 Год назад
Wow what a triumvirate of amazing talent on this show. Dame Maggie, Sir John Betjeman and Lord Kenneth!
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Yes, I love this mix of personalities as well. Television is certainly not what it once was. Thanks for commenting.
@majordolbyscat
@majordolbyscat Год назад
RIP Sir Michael Parkinson. This like many of his interviews has stood the test of time in my memory. No other chat show host seemed to offer such freedom to talk, apart from maybe someone like the excellent Dick Cavett stateside.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Excellent points, there were many remarkable encounters, I think Orson Welles was one of my favourites (apart from this one). One of his best interviews, I think, was with the intimidating Australian media mogul Kerry Packer, they had a robust disagreement about Tony Greig and World Series Cricket, which Packer was financing, yet things remained courteous the whole time. A masterclass, and probably a forgotten art. Parky did a very nice, warm and friendly interview with Kenneth Williams on Desert Island Discs, I think a year or so before KW passed away. Also agree about Dick Cavett, another great talent.
@bluecollarguy67
@bluecollarguy67 Год назад
Maggie Smith…..that voice! ❤
@larrymclarnon-pd8xf
@larrymclarnon-pd8xf 9 месяцев назад
Kenneth Williams hits the nail on the head. Lovely to see John Betjeman.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 9 месяцев назад
I agree, It's a great combination - I also love how Parky and KW know just how far to take it without it getting out of hand.
@jacklondoner4579
@jacklondoner4579 3 года назад
This is when Saturday night telly was worth watching. Mind you I liked the daytime talk shows back then too.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 3 года назад
A very good point. We shouldn't forget Mavis Nicholson as a great interviewer as well.
@jacklondoner4579
@jacklondoner4579 3 года назад
@@GeorgeFairbrother Oh yes. She was brilliant.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 3 года назад
@@jacklondoner4579 It seems that the BBC recognise Parky's back catalogue of interviews as a goldmine of history and have done retrospectives and also frequent social media posts to keep them in the public eye. I haven't seen too much of Mavis' work apart from RU-vid clips. There must be an equally fascinating catalogue somewhere in the vaults of Fremantle or whoever owns the Thames archive.
@onthemove301
@onthemove301 Год назад
A programme from a civilisation sadly lost to history.
@mattbod
@mattbod Год назад
Kenneth Williams was an absolute national treasure: so funny. I adored the Carry On Films. John Bejtamin was a legend too. Ken was bang on about housing. He was a bright guy.
@mariemccann5895
@mariemccann5895 Год назад
He was a bore.
@Edward1312
@Edward1312 Год назад
Betjeman's conversational speech is as poetic as his poetry!
@sirbarnabyst.johntoffingto9017
@sirbarnabyst.johntoffingto9017 5 месяцев назад
Oh, indeed yes. But I must disagree with his views on tower block housing. The views are often worth the lacking of one''s own garden to sit in of an summer's afternoon/evening.
@australian6983
@australian6983 11 месяцев назад
Maggi smith seems like such a decent respectful women.
@ctmcollins4160
@ctmcollins4160 Год назад
I have this video bookmarked, as I go back to it quite often for humour and reflection. Or political debates with my brother in-law! But I always stopped before Mr Betjeman. It was the Kenneth Williams bit....that I was after. A week ago I watched to the end.......lo and behold I discovered "Slough". However, today is a sad day as George says below.............Michael Parkinson was a family favourite......his shows from Ali to Spike. and Emu....... ...have been a large influence on my life. Hell, I was hooked by the intro music...Harry Stoneham and his quartet...then big band!! Rest In Peace, Sir.......but we will always call you "Parky"
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Totally agree. I used to have that segment on audio tape and played it quite often in my car. I was always captivated by the reading of Death in Leamington, although I'm not sure I ever totally understood it. . I love the way Parky and KW, total professionals, knew instinctively just how far to push their disagreement, then pulled back. This kind of TV is a lost art now, I think.
@tonydolton4544
@tonydolton4544 2 года назад
I wish they would air intelligent conversations like this on tv now
@ralphplumb7027
@ralphplumb7027 3 месяца назад
There are not many well educated “personalities” and so called “celebrities” who could hold an intellectual conversation these days. The quality of novels that kids are reading early in their lives now is sadly lacking!!.
@tonydolton4544
@tonydolton4544 3 месяца назад
@@ralphplumb7027 very true, though most intelligent conversations can be found on pod casts these days, in some back water of the internet.
@estoforte388
@estoforte388 11 месяцев назад
Sir John was having the time of his life.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 11 месяцев назад
Yes he was, I agree, it's a real pleasure to watch for that reason.
@tombstoneharrystudios584
@tombstoneharrystudios584 2 года назад
Such a beautiful recitation of the poem & Betjeman’s tears of delight
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 2 года назад
I agree, just a perfect moment.
@Edward1312
@Edward1312 11 месяцев назад
It was Wilfred Owen Ken was quoting from the poem "Insensibility" when he said the eternal reciprocity of tears. "By choice they made themselves immune, To pity and whatever mourns in man; Before the last sea and the hapless stars; Whatever mourns when many leave these shores; Whatever shares; The eternal reciprocity of tears".
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 11 месяцев назад
Thank you for providing that additional context.
@suzanne5781
@suzanne5781 Год назад
Maggie Smith was stunning! So sorry to lose Michael Parkinson, growing up in Australia my family always watched his show.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Same here. Actually I only recently discovered his complete interview with Kerry Packer, which is actually one of his best. That kind of tough but courteous interviewing, or conversation, is a lost art now, sadly.
@jamesmiller6244
@jamesmiller6244 5 месяцев назад
Brilliant thank you for posting this
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 5 месяцев назад
Thank you, I'm very glad you enjoyed it. It's one of my favourite Parky moments as well.
@cosmojonesmusic
@cosmojonesmusic 10 месяцев назад
I'm loathe to yearn for 'the good old days' but this is what tv was made for.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 10 месяцев назад
I tend to unashamedly yearn for the good old days 😅
@iansmith9125
@iansmith9125 4 месяца назад
How true 👍
@elvisleeboy
@elvisleeboy Год назад
Kenneth Williams is irreplaceable. I wonder if the public appreciated how fortune they were to live in an era when he was regularly on television. It is unfortunate that his later appearance on Parkinson alongside Diana Dors is not available to watch on RU-vid. Likewise his excellent appearances on The Mike Walsh Show, which indeed were once on RU-vid.
@CloudhoundCoUk
@CloudhoundCoUk 3 месяца назад
What is shocking is the same political issue of housing. Only got worse. Kenneth is simply brilliant.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 2 года назад
For those who might be interested in how the relationship between Kenneth Williams and Michael Parkinson unfolded in the ensuing years, they had a very enjoyable, warm and friendly encounter in July of 1987, when Parky was hosting the BBC's Desert Island Discs programme and KW was his guest. Link here to the BBC website to listen or download; www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009mljj
@roshanshivdasani1984
@roshanshivdasani1984 10 месяцев назад
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@johnnicholls5344
@johnnicholls5344 Год назад
I would imagine that Kenneth Williams would have written this interview up in his diary. So you could get an exact date for the interview by consulting the diaries.
@internetfairy1
@internetfairy1 11 месяцев назад
So refreshing to watch these articulate, interesting people interact. So different from the rubbish that gets bandied about now!
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay 11 месяцев назад
SADLY, tIME RAN OUT FOR ALL, EXCEPT MAGGIE.
@user-bt4jg5lh4b
@user-bt4jg5lh4b Год назад
Rip parky, great interview and very relevant still what they are talking about
@andrewmcilwraith1997
@andrewmcilwraith1997 2 года назад
"The evilness of tall skyscrapers and nothingness". We were warned. Annihillation (I can't spell it) is imminent.
@markbaker2629
@markbaker2629 Год назад
Kenneth…. Slow down and let others speak 🥴
@johntomlinson6849
@johntomlinson6849 Год назад
The others had already been on and had their spot. This segment within a one hour programme was his turn.
@BUKCOLLECTOR
@BUKCOLLECTOR 2 года назад
Enjoyed your poems. And your unique word choices enhanced the poems emotional impact and kept me engaged throughout. I’m a poet specializing in Japanese forms: haiku, tanka, haibun, kyoka, senryu. I hope you don’t mind me sharing a tanka and my haiku, a tribute poem to Bashō’s frog with commentary by the late AHA founder and poet Jane Reichhold who considered my Basho haiku among her top 10 haiku of all time. What an honor. Here’s the Bashō poem and commentary: Bashō’s frog four hundred years of ripples At first the idea of picking only 10 of my favorite haiku seemed a rather daunting task. How could I review all the haiku I have read in my life and decide that there were only 10 that were outstanding? Then realized I was already getting a steady stream of excellent haiku day by day through the AHA forum. The puns and write-offs based on Basho's most famous haiku are so numerous I would have said that nothing new could be said with this method, but here Al Fogel proved me wrong. Perhaps part of my delight in this haiku lies in the fact that I agree with him. Here he is saying one thing about realism-ripples are on a pond after a frog jumps in, but because it refers back to Basho and his famous haiku, he is also saying something about the haiku and authors who have followed him. We, and our work, are just ripples while Basho holds the honor of inventing the idea of the sound of a frog leaping is the sound of water As haiku spreads around the world, making ripples in more and larger ponds, its ripples are wider-including us all. But his last word reminds us all that we are ripples and our lives ephemeral. It will be the frogs that will remain. ~~ And my tanka: returning home from a Jackson Pollock exhibition I smear my face with paint and morph into art ~~ -All love in isolation from Miami Beach, Florida, Al
@Geraint3000
@Geraint3000 2 месяца назад
When chat shows weren't controlled by PR people.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Месяц назад
...And television was actually made for adults
@milesclery-fox3036
@milesclery-fox3036 Год назад
Compare even just that one excerpt with what is on offer now and weep.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Yes.
@rosemaryallen2128
@rosemaryallen2128 8 месяцев назад
The vulnerability of the artist! That resonated with me. Especially as these three splendid achievers were/are noted for such. It is an irony that the greatest creativity springs from the greatest emotional traumas, a fact for which we must be oddly grateful.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 8 месяцев назад
John Betjeman's comment of dreading seeing his name in print, and not even subscribing to a press-cutting agency, was a fascinating insight. I often wonder what that generation of artists would make of the current media and social media landscape. Great point, and thank you for commenting.
@markbaker2629
@markbaker2629 Год назад
I fast forward…. He’s still hasn’t shut up🥴😄
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
The audience start chuckling about that as well 😅
@allenjenkins7947
@allenjenkins7947 Год назад
Kenneth Williams was probably the only person who could out-talk Robin Williams.
@giffgaffnettwork5626
@giffgaffnettwork5626 7 месяцев назад
Since Betjeman said himself, on the show, "I am 65 nearly 66" [born August 1906] the tv recording was in 1972 as it was his coming 66th birthday! 1973 would be too late. In any case. By then he had fully parted from his wife in 1973! She got mentioned a lot in the 1972 interview, recently broadcast again on BBC4.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 7 месяцев назад
Great to know, thank you for that additional context.
@dukedepommefrite
@dukedepommefrite 2 года назад
Wonderful posh accents!
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 2 года назад
Thank you for commenting, your grace. :))
@MrDaiseymay
@MrDaiseymay 11 месяцев назад
WITH kENNY ON, NOBODY ELSE IS REQUIRED
@user-hn8ze1lm7y
@user-hn8ze1lm7y 7 дней назад
Kenny and Maggie were friends since the 50s
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 6 дней назад
I remember seeing an interview with Maggie Smith, it might have been on 'Acting in the Sixties', in which she explains how KW actually coached her in terms of acting and comic timing. A great combination of talent.
@sirbarnabyst.johntoffingto9017
@sirbarnabyst.johntoffingto9017 5 месяцев назад
I love tower blocks. I was fascinated with New York skyscrapers when I was about 7.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 5 месяцев назад
Same here, although I've never had to live in one so I can only judge from interest's sake. John Betjeman certainly wasn't a fan.
@rotonda4068
@rotonda4068 Год назад
Betjeman genuinely moved by that.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother Год назад
Yes, it's a a great moment
@jonathaneffemey944
@jonathaneffemey944 Год назад
RIP SIR MICHAEL
@ernestberry5226
@ernestberry5226 3 месяца назад
Wow .our stars were actually, intelligent , funny and cultured.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 3 месяца назад
It was a different world 😅
@argieav
@argieav 4 месяца назад
For a man who prided himself on his use of language , I would question Williams use of the word ‘augurs’ for what critics set out to be. love the guy obvs for his wit.
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 4 месяца назад
Learn something everyday - I looked Augur up and it didn't quite mean exactly what I thought it did. 😅
@lylahale5284
@lylahale5284 11 месяцев назад
RIP to "Parky"....but i always think of my dad, as we used to watch "Parkinson" religiously, but im sure it was so my dad could see how many times he touched or scratched his nose..."go on touch your nose" my dad would cry...then when he did my dad would go "wahhhhey" followed by the number, in order, of times he touched it during the episode
@GeorgeFairbrother
@GeorgeFairbrother 11 месяцев назад
That's brilliant. Thanks for commenting. 🤣🤣
@edwardhudson9851
@edwardhudson9851 19 дней назад
Williams & Sir Betch are God's imo
@roderickdewar1064
@roderickdewar1064 6 месяцев назад
Kenneth Williams motor mouth.
@rogerturner5504
@rogerturner5504 4 месяца назад
In a good way.
@australian6983
@australian6983 7 месяцев назад
Full?
@davidreid8075
@davidreid8075 Год назад
Poor Maggie, out of her depth..
@Jamesp1972
@Jamesp1972 2 года назад
John Betjeman seems like a nice bloke, but not exactly a great poet
@Edward1312
@Edward1312 Год назад
A great poet maybe not, but certainly an enjoyable, competent and invocative one, without question.
@michaelpatterson5811
@michaelpatterson5811 Год назад
What? How would you define 'a great poet' then, James?
@noriemeha
@noriemeha Год назад
A matter of opinion. I've learned through a long life, if an artist is popular they can't be 'great'. Be they painter, composer, writer....
@michaelpatterson5811
@michaelpatterson5811 Год назад
That's not proved historically, no matter how long your own life, norie - so let's look at what you say is your 'opinion'.You use the word 'artist' - but all the past masters of the performing arts (musicians, dancers, actors in theatre & film) can only be popular because they are 'great' while they are alive. But if you are really meaning poets, writers, painters, composers - then (a random selection) how do you explain the lifetime popularity of Dickens; or Hardy; or Oscar Wilde; or da Vinci; or Michelangelo; or J S Bach; or Byron; or Liszt; or Palestrina, or Betjeman . . . . @@noriemeha
@helenwatts8856
@helenwatts8856 11 месяцев назад
Great poets can also rhyme. He had a simple way of saying what is quite deep.
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