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Michele's Haunted Diablo Drive 

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Michele is an Alto owner that sent us her malfunctioning Diablo disk drive. But Michele's Diablo drive seems haunted, cursed, and possessed - in one word, "diablolical". It destroys disks, heads, alignment cartridges and other drives sitting nearby. It even makes my lights flicker while we test it. And for the life of us, after we change all the parts, the ghosts are still in. But we won't give up until we exorcise it.

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@rogerwhittle2078
@rogerwhittle2078 5 лет назад
I know where one of those Diablo disc drives is. In fact the last time I saw one, it was this one - the Science Museum in London. It's in the 1970's gallery, about 50ft from the Apollo Command Module, on the EMIScanner MkI CT scanner from Atkinson Morley's Hospital in Wimbledon. It was the prototype Clinical CT scanner - the first one in the world - and I used to look after it. In fact, I helped dismantle and ship it off to the Science science museum myself. I treated myself to a visit there about five years ago - I knew it was there somewhere. When I found it, the hair on the back of my neck stood up. It was so cool seeing history, displayed in one of the best Museums in the world, and I was a tiny, tiny part of it. My finger prints were probably still on it somewhere!
@jolesco
@jolesco 6 лет назад
That drive really is possessed....now the ceiling lights starts flickering ;) Love these problem solving videos by the way, keep up the good & interesting work.
@ASVPChrisB
@ASVPChrisB 5 лет назад
In my first job out of university I was a test engineer at Data Recording Instrument Co on England, the UK manufacturer/distributor for Diablo, and worked on these disc drives. Amazing to see one working some 45 years later!
@kooky216
@kooky216 6 лет назад
the combination of knowledge, test equipment, spare parts and determination needed to do that repair is amazing
@SB-qm5wg
@SB-qm5wg 6 лет назад
Tech comes and goes but core troubleshooting never goes out of date.
@mikekjellman
@mikekjellman 6 лет назад
marc, i cannot tell you how much i appreciate your content. you’re incredibly inspiring. thanks for doing what you do.
@jackdaniels8898
@jackdaniels8898 6 лет назад
Your videos are a textbook study in perseverance. I am always impressed how “never give up, never surrender” is the motto you guys truly follow to the end. Great job!
@nnnnikt
@nnnnikt 5 лет назад
Such positive determination, amazing to watch - thank you - you're all my kinda gods. I cracked up seeing how quickly you boxed and got rid of that haunted thing once it was sorted... before the water in the house turned red.
@richardricci
@richardricci 6 лет назад
Come on, what do you expect from a hardware which is called "Diablo"?
@1944GPW
@1944GPW 6 лет назад
Another fabulous video, thanks Marc. I sure would like to find out more about Carl's FPGA Diablo exerciser, as one day I'll get to attempting to power up my own Diablo 31's and I'm sure it would be an invaluable tool. I don't have an alignment cartridge though, so that is going to be extremely problematic.
@mikeklaene4359
@mikeklaene4359 6 лет назад
Interesting - by the late 1970's I was programming on Singer/ICL 1500 series machines that used the top loading PERTEC drives. The chips in the circuit board looked to be from the 2nd half of 1978. And you had what looked to be the front panel from an IBM 360 Model 50. Neat stuff!
@electronash
@electronash 6 лет назад
Great detective work, and sheer determination. I wish I had an o'scope that fast, then I could do TDR on my RDRAM PCB traces, and find out badly mismatched it is. lol
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 6 лет назад
Good luck affording one.
@FesixGermany
@FesixGermany 6 лет назад
Holy water and electronics is a good combination! *bzzzt*
@DandyDon1
@DandyDon1 6 лет назад
What a debacle :) I'm glad most of these problems were alleviated by the time the Quantum and Shugart 8" HDs were introduced. The only problem with the Quantum q2040, q2080 I've seen again and again is the bumper pad which deteriorates and becomes a sticky mess.
@MikeBramm
@MikeBramm 6 лет назад
With all your expertise and equipment, you guys can easily charge $1000+ per hour. Great job! I hope that drive doesn't get damaged on the way back to the customer.
@MadScientist267
@MadScientist267 3 года назад
We used to say "Doesn't need a technician. Needs a priest." 🤣
@zz9alfa
@zz9alfa 2 года назад
The red button on the right of the front panel was a write protect feature! I used to be a field technician based in the UK, 70's/80's. Visited many customers who complained that their new drive reads, but won't write. I arrived on site only to find you write protect was enabled, sometimes the bulb would blow, so the customer had now idea!!
@jmunozar
@jmunozar 6 лет назад
Thank you so much for sharing these kind of videos! its amazing the attention to detail you guys put into everything and amazing how you guys came up with a solution to it! :). Looking forward for the next one! :)
@Blasserman
@Blasserman 5 лет назад
Years ago I worked on very similar drives (Pertec) and replaced many many heads. Once or twice would get drives where the heads were layered with aluminum from the platter (really bad crash the heads will scrape off all of the oxide layer and pick up the metal)
@dbingamon
@dbingamon 2 года назад
A place I used to work at back in 1984 routinely repaired crashed heads in the fixed drive side of a Honeywell Hawk Drive by removing the heads and sanding them with fine sanpaper and washing them out with high grade alcohol. It was quite a sight.
@Colaholiker
@Colaholiker 6 лет назад
"Time domain reflectometry"... sounds more like something I would expect to get on the fourth floor of my local hospital... ':-)
@joerogers4227
@joerogers4227 4 года назад
I remember a Diablo drive in the 1972-77 era used with a honeywell 316 computer. The removable cartridge "disk" contained the data of the topography we used in a Naval Gunfire trainer at Naval Amphibious SChool in Coronado CA. It interfaced to Naval gunfire computers. Teams would simulate a navigated ship track, Fire simulated naval ship guns and the computer would compute where the shot landed. Results would show on a video terminal and a training operator would communicate to the "shipboard" simulated teams corrections Up, down, right or left. Then the "guns" would fire again. If all was done correctly the new "projectile" would land on target. Since the diablo cartridge contained the "terrain" if the shell that was fired hit a hill or mountain of course it did not land in the correct place. Lots of ships trained their personal in a simulated environment, saved shells, and no one could be hurt as in live naval gunfire. Fond memories from years past
@JMacQ77
@JMacQ77 6 лет назад
The power of CuriousMarc compels you!!!
@andrewallen9993
@andrewallen9993 3 года назад
I remember those from MDS Mohawk 2400 computers, some of my machines even had three or four of those drives installed!
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 6 лет назад
TDR was a good call. I use a phone co specific one (it's internally calibrated for underground phonelines). So damn useful!
@joerogers4227
@joerogers4227 4 года назад
TDR stands for Time Domain Refectometer
@AnOfficialAndrewFloyd
@AnOfficialAndrewFloyd 6 лет назад
Hope you can make another alignment disk.
@SudosFTW
@SudosFTW 6 лет назад
Last time I commented this early on a video the germanium transistor was invented.
@RobSchofield
@RobSchofield 4 года назад
The Power of Tech Compels You... what is the model of the compact computer on the trolley next to the desk at 8:32? Just curious. I recognise it, but can't remember!
@materialsguy2002
@materialsguy2002 6 лет назад
Thanks for the video Marc: Tektronix 7854 /7S12 with an S52 and S6. You should do a video on the 7854; it would be very interesting.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
+Shaun Merrigan: Yes I should. It's an amazing instrument. You can even run calculations on the waveforms. This one has been repaired twice already, but that was before I was making RU-vid videos...
@Digital-Dan
@Digital-Dan 4 года назад
I bet we could modify the Alto microcode so that it doesn't do that write. Sounds like a fun trip into ancient lore.
@bretwashere
@bretwashere 6 лет назад
I look forward to your videos well above any of my other subscriptions.
@grlg2
@grlg2 6 лет назад
Congrats on being so persistent, and now just like on Monty Pythons meaning of life - "and now zee cheque". Can you make another alignment disc or was it make on a high accuracy drive? Also, love the Tek TDR / modular scope. Sadly when I was studying electronic engineering I never got to play with a TDR even though we learned about them :-(
@radiohirsch
@radiohirsch 5 лет назад
Very nice. Also love to see the 7854. Looks like in my own private lab :)
@nealelliott
@nealelliott 6 лет назад
hopefully, the drive won't get damaged during shipping. the heads appear to be very delicate.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
Fortunately, Carl had an original factory head locking bracket which we installed in the disk before shipping. We shoukd have used that in the first place, but we did not know what it was until Al showed us a picture of one!
@magnusmalmborn8665
@magnusmalmborn8665 3 года назад
Have you tried moving it from the curry lines?
@arongooch
@arongooch 6 лет назад
Absolutely awesome stuff. Great video.
@Madness832
@Madness832 6 лет назад
I'm curious (haha) to know how easy it was to acquire replacement heads.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
They can still be found on ebay. But these were graciously donated by Bruce Damer from the Digibarn.
@goeeeddd
@goeeeddd 6 лет назад
Remember, when it comes to hauntings: Possession is 9/10 of the law! :P
@WaltonPete
@WaltonPete 6 лет назад
You have exorcised the demons. This drive is clean! Job well done!
@beefchicken
@beefchicken 6 лет назад
Is it possible to create a new alignment cartridge with some creative hardware hacking?
@LesImelli
@LesImelli Год назад
We had the same type issue with a Diablo drive. This was back late 79 or 80. Turned out the terminator on the back of the drive was the problem!!!
@burk3
@burk3 6 лет назад
are those heads hard to find? Any chance to repair them?
@paulcohen1555
@paulcohen1555 3 года назад
I know these drives from the seventies. Repaired the logic boards and fixing crashes. With some luck, sometimes crashed heads could be cleaned and reused. Their price was few hundreds of dollars (for a 2.5MB drive)
@jeffg9157
@jeffg9157 5 лет назад
I have a similar drive from a CPM machine, and an s-100 “Sasi” card. Do these get to “ready” without a computer connected? Mine scans then sits, ready light never comes on, but I don’t have it hooked up.
@wd5gnr
@wd5gnr 6 лет назад
You should have thrown in "The power of Thacker compels you!"
@o0arend0o
@o0arend0o 4 года назад
In a few years hopefully someone will design a diabolical-FPGA fixing my ZIP drive. Click of death changed my view on technology. :)
@JGunlimited
@JGunlimited 6 лет назад
Will you guys be involved with the NASA/Kickstarter project to restore mission control?
@rats6136
@rats6136 6 лет назад
is that huge disc a hard drive? wow thats old....and is that the first Macintosh @7:31?
@davidjames666
@davidjames666 4 года назад
Is that a fancy house decorated with old computers? I worked for Bell Laboratories for 30 years, and always had a laptop running windows. The machines i worked on 3b15, 3b20, pyramid 2000, sun, compaq, etc. and running unix. Lynix, etc. programming in Informix, Sybase, Oracle, etc. are behind me. Last thing i would want in my house is old computers i used at work.
@douro20
@douro20 6 лет назад
What is the computer sitting to the right of the drive, a 9825?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
+douro20: Yes, keen and knowledgeable eye again. It's our controller for the HP-IB controlled power supplies we use for the disk...
@joshmyer9
@joshmyer9 6 лет назад
The scariest part was when it turned its head around, spewing bits all over the place. (The accessible/observable complication of these old drives versus the hermetic isolation of modern ones reminds me why I bought an RX-8: I have absolutely no clue how a Wankel engine works, so I’ll never be tempted to use my time to work on it.)
@prokrastnation6071
@prokrastnation6071 4 года назад
I found this video particularly educational...
@davidjames666
@davidjames666 4 года назад
@20:14 back in the day, i had to add a terminating resistor onto my windows hard disk daisy chain. My memory fails me, but i do not believe i needed to use a soldering gun, just a jumper block
@acelere
@acelere 6 лет назад
Wow! You guys rock! Amen!
@douro20
@douro20 6 лет назад
Who knows, someone might bring you an RK02 drive someday.
@thetaleteller4692
@thetaleteller4692 6 лет назад
I wonder if there is ways to obtain or recreate the machinery for rebuilding platters of those disks. Would solve a lot of problems and relieve some strain breaking a unique alignment disk while working on.
@tim_bbq1008
@tim_bbq1008 4 года назад
Diablo Repair Service. I suspect your world wide customer base is pretty small. Then again, you can charge as much as you like...who else can do it?
@HebaruSan
@HebaruSan 6 лет назад
How many Alto computers are there in the world?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
They made about 2000. We don't know how many are left. We know of only a handful working ones: ours, one at the Living Computer Museum, two at the Computer History Museum, Michele's once it gets its disk back ;-).
@wlc7176
@wlc7176 5 лет назад
Is that disc platter the same as what was used in the Digital Equipment Corp's RK05 drive?
@carlclaunch793
@carlclaunch793 5 лет назад
Yes. IBM developed this disk format as the 2315 and licensed it to many companies, including Diablo, DEC, HP and a score more.
@vidasvv
@vidasvv 3 года назад
Figgin amazing !!!
@TilmanBaumann
@TilmanBaumann 6 лет назад
20:25 That solder pad right next to it., I assume it's the existing resistor, looks dry. Perhaps the error was a loos solder joint? Hard to tell from the picture. I bet you got a better look. But from here it looks dodgy.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
These are unused solder pads, for other optional resistors or test
@douro20
@douro20 4 года назад
Rolling blackouts...does he have a Cornerstone microturbine on his vast estate?
@edgeeffect
@edgeeffect 6 лет назад
Can you tell us some more about your TDR... or point us at a video if you already have. I love your pronunciation of "diabolical"
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
I liked this video about TDR: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Il_eju4D_TM.html
@Campingrobot
@Campingrobot 6 лет назад
We need an young priest and an old priest :3
@puggywash
@puggywash 3 года назад
Backplane issue?
@phonotical
@phonotical 5 лет назад
Why were the lights flickering, something wrong with the supply to the house?
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 5 лет назад
Nah. A ghost obviously.
@phonotical
@phonotical 5 лет назад
@@CuriousMarc 😉
@nrdesign1991
@nrdesign1991 6 лет назад
13:00 So it's sending a Dirac impulse into the cable, and evaluates the impulse response?
@hubbsllc
@hubbsllc 3 года назад
No, the point of TDR is often to find out how far away from the end of a cable or wire is a short or an open. It was used to find a broken wire inside a potted module that was part of an Apollo AGC.
@tpcdude
@tpcdude 6 лет назад
wow some old stuff should go to the landfill.. you guys are not to be defeated!
@drakethedragon457
@drakethedragon457 3 года назад
I never seen a disk drive that big before
@andrewallen9993
@andrewallen9993 3 года назад
What, never seen a 1mb drive before?
@BlackEpyon
@BlackEpyon 6 лет назад
I'm sure you could have saved yourself the trouble by shorting out the ghost with some holy water.
@marwinthedja5450
@marwinthedja5450 5 лет назад
Applause ! This episode would've made a great comedy sketch :) Especially the part from ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yLocGtRxhp8.html onwards made me really laugh!
@brianhanson9367
@brianhanson9367 2 года назад
Worked on these on Prime systems. Pertec version also.
@brianhanson9367
@brianhanson9367 2 года назад
Had a cdc 300 mb….faulted every time it tried to write. Power cord was shorted to chassis. Knocked me on my ass.
@will891410
@will891410 6 лет назад
Oh, hi Marc.
@TilmanBaumann
@TilmanBaumann 6 лет назад
Trickey those digital lathes
@HighlandSteam
@HighlandSteam 6 лет назад
Not sure about the audio. Seamed a second out.
@zaprodk
@zaprodk 6 лет назад
*seemed
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR 6 лет назад
What about using a 512GB SSD they are not that expensive and you can get SCSI2SATA. if it has been connected to the internet then it has got infected by some nasty virus so I don't think that there is a way of getting it back, or is it much more engrained that it has totally reprogrammed the ALU so as to screw up any disc you try to read.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
Ah, but the Alto and the Diablo don't talk SCSI. It would take 20 more years, about 4 generations of disk interfaces, and the advent of very high scale integration technology to make such an intelligent high-level protocol achievable in a consumer machine. The Diablo does not even talk IDE. Nor Shugart, which was a parallel interface before IDE. It doesn't have even a bit of memory buffer in it! It just spews out a raw serial bit stream and sector pulses right off the platter, as the bits go under the head. You have to write and decode everything yourself: the sync, the sector labels, the CRC, the synchronous timing, etc..., all undocumented. Hence the FPGA design and the 9 month of reverse engineering Carl needed to figure it out, scope and microcode in hand.
@danielson9579
@danielson9579 6 лет назад
Power delivery
@pauldzim
@pauldzim 6 лет назад
Only watched half the video so far, so haven't seen the solution to the problem. I'm going to guess it's a power supply issue? Edit: Nope, I was wrong. Damn
@RonJohn63
@RonJohn63 4 года назад
1:08 smh
@PplsChampion
@PplsChampion 3 года назад
11:06 XORcist
@laustinspeiss
@laustinspeiss 3 года назад
Michele with a trailing E... feminine gender ! ?? Looks a lot like a DEC RK05 drive.
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 6 лет назад
I hope you send her a good bill for all your hard work and ruined heads.
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc 6 лет назад
+Simon Tay: Sure not. It's our pleasure to help when we can. We were not obligated to keep going at it either. We're just too boneheaded to give up when challenges arise ;-)
@michele31415
@michele31415 5 лет назад
I sent a spare set of brand new heads along with the drive.
@laustinspeiss
@laustinspeiss 3 года назад
Happily my old work colleague George isn’t there... He would have walked the damaged pack along all the available drives until it ‘worked’ !