Michi Mochievee contract denied by VSHOJO until she consulted a Lawyer [VSHOJO Clips / Collabs] 

At his point I'm sure you got alerts set up like: Vtuber lawyer [Company name] lawyer vtuber situation negligible

​@@showdownst "negligible" 😂😂

Of course you did.

Down boy, down!!!

THE lawyer himself shows up~~~~

"If they don't Have an angle, I'll become it myself!"

well i mean when your use to companies being shit its hard to accept when you find companies who arent shit

Seriusly someone needs exsplain what scam

@@demonic_myst4503 her fan name is Scambas

​@@demonic_myst4503She ordered spaghetti to come at midnight.

😂

Basically

Damaged, not Abused. Damaged includes the Abused, but extends the help to those who have crappy lives due to random chance. Such as Ironmouse.

Based. Gives rise to second chances like Henya, who has blossomed in this environment.

"Lelouche Vi Britannia commands you... GO TO THERAPY"

​@@reaperkiss1858at 19:50 she explains it

Its to legally protect themselves, so Michi can't go around making claims later that nulls the contract. Like she was forced, coerced, tricked, etc. E.g. Niji's non-reply to Niji within 14 days counts as agreement clause on their contract is 100% un-enforcible and won't fly in California court. Just because its on a contract doesn't mean its legal. But black companies will do it because they know most people don't know their shady contract is bullshit.

​@reaperkiss1858 Because context is key. Michi genuinely expressed her gratitude and worries. Then compared the jarring contrast to her former experience for 20 minutes. The listening time was worth it in my opinion to see her smile with peace of mind.

@@reaperkiss1858 I don't think you understand what clickbait means. The title of the video is completely accurate to what is in the video. Just because you have a short attention span doesn't make the title clickbait.

Feels pointless if they are the one giving her a lawyer lol

In a legal sense it's actually a good idea to require the other side to go through it with their lawyer, especially in the US. Because a good lawyer can nullify a contract if they can prove that the other side made you sign a contract you don't fully understand. Having a lawyer go over it with the other side they legally cover themselves that the other side fully understand the contract.

@@ShuberFuber Very true, Very true.

Their is an other reason: they are dealing with talent in a new country, they don't know anything about local laws, etc.

A lot of reputable companies will do everything in their power to make damn sure you know what's in the contract you're signing. It's in their best interest for you to be 100% aware of the terms of your employment

​@@Eagledude131Yes. Luckily for most, we're past the age where putting a signature somewhere on a 30 page document could mean a binding contract for life. It's a good thing that contracts can be challenged if there's any suspicion that they were designed to be deceptive.

AFAIK, Nyan and Vaibae both mentioned issues with the contract and Kson mentioned that her contract got better after they left, so Vshojo wasn't always amazing, they fucked up and then improved. Unlike a certain company which just can't stop doubling down on being shit.

I am not that familiar with the case, but wasn't a big part of why Silvervale left (=didn't renew her contract) the lack of (public) support from the company during the time she was harassed on Twitter and IRL due to the Harry Potter game? I know there was also some bad blood between her and Iron mouse (and maybe others) but I think vshojo not taking a public stand against harassment was one of the reasons. Ps! I'm not hating on vshojo, in fact they're the only agency whose talents I follow.

Not much vhishojo could have done when she hersef refuse to take a stand, it would have added fuel to the fire ​@renerant

@@mdb45424 I'm not very acquainted with the situation, what do you mean she didn't take a stand? You mean she should have succumbed to a bunch of Twitter idiots and not have played a computer game?

No they mentioned the contract wasn't compensating them enough. Their mass exodus is what lead vshojo to improve their contracts. Kson spoke about this after she renewed her contract awhile ago.

The duality of vtuber company CEOs KEK

The vtuber agency angel and devils lol and they both look at kurosanji like, "woah. Too far, bro."

Sakana: I can make her Marine

Sakana: I can make her sell coffee

Hololive: I can make her into an Idol

Following the sakana way. Fixing them one at the time.

@@texitocfyd It'd really blow a lot of yall's minds to find out VShojo started before Phase.

@@wildkaya643 vshojo was problematic until just recently

It also increases the positive public perception of them. A few steps allows them to farm positive publicity from nijisanji problems.

Not just coercion. In case of a dispute, Michi can’t turn around and say “I signed this without reading it or understanding what I was signing.”

Also, she is in a different country, with other local laws/culture, etc.

from what i hear from people (literally everyone, from people not even in vshojo circle, just random streamers) it seems gunrun just helps everyone. like literally everyone. and i haven't heard a _single_ even remotely bad thing about him.

I don’t know much about Hime, what happened? 👀 just interesting to know

@@m1kadzuki Nothing bad. You do know who Hime is right? IRL? So, she doesn't like to stream. And this basically means we get an appearance like once a year on average. Hence, VShojo signing her on always meant that after all this time that VShojo never actually cares whether or not Hime does anything. It is a loss as they've provided her with resources, and they're used once a year. And that is because it is actually better to have Hime and her IRL persona as a loss, than to not have her at all. For example, Hime just did one of the songs for the NIKKE crossover. It is better in the long run for VShojo to maintain a trust as a brand than to have just terminated Hime for inactivity.

Company takes the upfront cost so that the talents can succeed which brings events and sponsors to vshojo which being a steady amount of money. The happier they are the more they strive to pull things for the company. They end up in a positive symbiotic relationship. The only issue is that it doesn't scale infinitely so vshojo will most likely remain a smaller agency with a strong happy line up

@@Nanoqtran Quality over Quantity as the saying goes

What makes you think hime hajime is a monetary loss for vshojo? She does not stream a lot sure but her merchandise sells and the person behind the vtuber is a quite popular youtuber with contacts in and around Japan. She was in the vshojo maid cafe video as herself and the video being possible was most likely thanks to her and her other companys work behind the scenes.

Strictly speaking, it was 5 weeks, 1 month before debut, 1 week delayed debut.

It's really rare in the United States at least for an employee to be in a contract for a defined time period. Most states have "right to work" laws, which means you can quit at any time (and also that you can be fired at any time, which is the real reason the laws exist). The only time this isn't the case is when the employee and the company have signed a contract for a specific term of employment. That's most common in sports in the US, and those orgs DO tend to take care of their employees like this.

Holo seems to be doing just fine. Niji just doesn't spend any of the money they make on the talent. It's all absorbed up to the execs and stocks bros. They said as much in their reports.

@@ectothermic Oh yeah that's not to say that Holo is bad. Just that they aren't able to offer the same amount of personalized help with 80+ people as VShojo. Most companies can't, to be fair. Then there's Niji sittin' over there with almost 180 people. It would be incredibly hard to keep track of everyone even if they wanted to. And they don't.

@@azzazelynn988 Every Holo member has a very responsive manager though. It's really honestly not that hard to have a few managers per generation, and they're doing just fine. Outside of A-chan busting her ass because she wants to everyone has good management and they're always attentive to livestream events so they can rein in some of the crazier talent. Niji just actively refuses to help their people that's all. Making that much money you could easily hire a legal rep and a manager for each talent and keep them on payroll most of the year. One BILLION dollars is an unfathomable amount of money, it's not humanly comprehensible and it's not being used.

it definitely takes time to grow such a company, to hire the right people who actually know how to do this. You can't grow this to fast.

@@azzazelynn988 The difference is while A-Chan is kinda their big manager all the talents have other managers behind them. Hololive knows how to invest their money. Niji is only concerned with "line goes up" without any long-term expectations. Niji only has one manager per several of their talents and they have many more than Holo. It's just kinda crazy to me how careless they are.

Idk if i can comfortably call them unicorn tho, bc every time i heard unicorn in vtuber context i always think of a certain small but loud and annoying subset of vtuber fans who throw a tantrum every time their oshi interacts with the opposite sex😂

Nijisanji-hell

Kurosanji.

never seen an entertainment company doing what vshojo does base on what their talents said. It's not about comparing with other vtuber agency, no other agency does that. But even out of entertainment company that not a standard at all. Stop acting like this is a standard or normal. It should but it's not. It's not how a normal company work at all. If you think that you never worked in your life or please share your company name right now I need to work there. I have been in small company , big company, even in my family company ! even my own family can't compete against what vshojo give to their talents ! So please accept the fact that they are not the normal company here. Also even the worst you think you've seen from vtubers agency is nothing close to what really happen in the industry they are inspired of. Look at the Jannies. . . respect to those guys. . .

@hoarauthomas1006 Okay, but consider this. The comparison was Vshoujo vs Niji. Vs being in the better end of the spectrum. While Niji being on the horrible side of it. The practice of forcing the other party to get a lawyer for a contract isnt as common because most companies won't attempt to hardcore screw over their talents to such an extent as Niji has. Doesn't mean most wouldn't if they knew that they could. However it's likely most realize writing up an unenforceable contract when you don't have much funds to chain people to it via threats of crippling court cases is self destructive.

@@hoarauthomas1006 Is this an angle to defend vantablack-sanji ?

Yep. And even the forcing her to consult with lawyer. That's typical for fairly large contracts (and entertainment contracts that could involve millions of dollar changing hands definitely requires it). Because it's mutually protective legally, since it make sure that the talents don't get surprised by a clause, and they have no case to argue that they don't know what they're getting into. Although the "I think you're taking advantage of the company" does imply the contract is pretty generous.

​@@ShuberFuberIt's such a common thing to do, yet there enough companies that don't do it that it still paints Vshojo in a positive light.

@@ShuberFuber I'd also bet that a lot of the things that she thinks is expensive, it probably isn't for a company. I mean, talent agencies should generally have medical staff, legal staff, merchandising staff already or have something to account for it. i mean, why wouldn't you? Your money is based on the success of a product that is a human or merchandising that human and for that product to be successful, the human needs to be healthy and you need to get the merch that you can make money from to the customers.... So it behooves you to have your humans have access to things and they are preforming to your standard which means you need to provide if it you can for best possible results.... And then things with SEA, if you're planning to have more talents, or researching how feasible it is, you're going to want to set up and observe those connections and see how it does. But even if that wasn't the case... just looking at PR and talent scouting. 6 months ago if you were to be given the same contract from both countries in terms of splits and such you'd pick Niji over Vshojo because in there was an assumption that there are more inherent benefits from working with Niji than Vshojo, but these talents speaking of all these benefits and how easy they are to work with makes working with them to be much more valuable. It's like a contractual modifier.

The chapters are also great

There was some mess a while back with Nuxtaku. Some kind of security concern for the talents that went sideways when V-shojo approved Nux could make a video about it, then they weren't okay with it and told the talents, they turned on Nux, it was a sh17 show. Not sure how they all stand, Zen was the only person we know of that apologized about it to Nux. That was probably the worst drama I've seen from V-shojo, which is nowhere near the absolute nuclear meltdown that Niji and Wactor have been doing.

@@TheFluBugZMany Nux fans will never forgive VShojo for that.

With JP there was already a few staff in place before they made a branch office, so it's a bit different but yeah, that's exactly what they are doing. Why leave some of the most populous areas of the world out of your business plan? They already can't approach CN, so other countries are a good idea.

@@ropewash4432 Exactly it's a sensible move, it will pay off for them in a medium term and they listened to her advice on the cultural differences and went 'Great lets use that!' that is one of the great pay offs of listening to your staff and people and taking in their experiences. Being a good company can be profitable, you don't have to go Black to make money in fact Vshojo will likely be far more stable as a company than others because of the good relationship it fosters with the Talent. I'm reminded of another company in a different field where the owner took a massive Paycut so he could raise the wages of all his staff such that I think the minimum anyone working for him was paid was $50K a year. The staff could suddenly afford to have a family earlier than they hoped they literally as a company jokingly refer to their kids as a collective group as children of the company because it was that financial stability that allowed them to have the children, they also stay at the company for far longer seeking internal promotions over external, because again the company treats them well. During the Pandemic all the staff took a voluntary pay cut because they wanted the company to stay alive it had treated them well in the good times, they where paying it back, and the moment the Pandemic was over and the company recovered they gave the staff a bonus that was basically all the wages they had given up during the Pandemic. By treating the staff decently they got loyal staff who stuck by it in the lean times. You don't have to be mustache stroking evil to get ahead, Vshojo has recognised that a lot of what it does benefits them. Therapy, stressed over worked panicked talent won't be as good as relaxed happy talent. So help them get to that state, they will sell more merch if they are happy and you'll make more money (Merch is where I assume Vshojo makes it's money taking a cut of the Merch and likely sponsorship deals the stuff they help create/negotiate) having the great reputation Vshojo now has is likely a huge benefit in getting those same Sponsorship deals, there is at the moment no downside to a companies image working with Vshojo. Compare that to Nijisanjii who when all the stuff came out over Doki lost a lot of Sponsor deals because companies did not want their image asscoiated with Niji Etc etc. Gunrun gets it, he gets that you can do the right thing and make money from doing the right thing

Oh, almost definitely. They're probably happy that she's given them a different perspective and pointed out a gap in their business. This is what business relationships should be, symbiotic.

Its very much depends on the kind of business if this is an option at all.

Western corpos abuse their workers as well, they just have better PR. Amazon has no problem using their lawyers to screw over people who get injured on the job and get zero disability compensation as result.

Can't do good streams if you're burned out. No good streams -> bad merch sales -> no money.

I heard that GunRun has a backpack business that makes even more money than VShojo does.

I think the structure of the company(aka the Talent owning their own IP) makes it kinda hard to operate in any other way. Most Companies that try this model usually don't offer much aside from merch and ad deals because they usually don't have the revenue to do anything else. Vshojo has some big heavy hitters and alot of funding and connections because of Gunrun(founder of Twitch)

Huh? What have they said on stream? Also, Vshojo doesn’t have to because there are many shitty companies here in America. Vshojo being this good is incredible actually.

VShojo pays for therapy for staff too. It's company policy to provide mental health for everyone in the company. They even highlighted it as one of the things they planned to do with the 11M in venture capital they raised.

​@@guilguis4820I'm very glad

Gunrun and Sakana mustof really fought over Michi then cuz she's both lol

*saves abused vtubers and get them to therapy so sakana cant snatch them

Geega has confirmed that their cut on merch is less than half and they produce and ship all of it.

@@guilguis4820and tbh that kind of thing was geega's biggest worry

​@@guilguis4820kson also say highest among all corpo. Else she already left.

thanks

Yep, as a manager every day would be so fulfilling. "Do it for her" meme, but unironically.

They tried auditions once...and a harassment group targeted them and it led to the whole Nux drama(The police advised them to stop the auditions)

@@command_unit7792 ohhhh, then how do they get new talent? also what nux drama there has been... a lot... of nux drama after all nux does get cancelled like every week lol

@@Dest66 They don't have public auditions but they do add new members they know and associate with.

@@command_unit7792 that makes sense, fair enough

From what we know they make all of their money through merch and any sponsorships they get through Vshojo. The exact cut is unknown but Geega has mentioned Vshojo takes less than 50%. Other than that as you said Vshojo doesn't take anything else from their members.