Mick Lynch slams Labour for pushing 'Tory economics' 

So well said Linda!!!

They are the only people with anything left after 14 years of austerity

@@KidsMachinesI would make a guess that you are not one of the pensioners who will be making a choice between heating and food, or a disabled person totally dependant on the state?

You'll need to wait for the budget to see how those with the very broadest shoulders get on, bear in mind the ones with the very broadest shoulders won't be hit as for all there bluster on "make the rich pay more" they know that the top 1% of tax payers can't be made to pay more for 2 x reasons, firstly they pay circa 30% of all income tax collected already thus they are paying there way, secondly you put there tax up for every 5 that pay it 1 x will simply move to a different territory and you'll lose all the tax they pay which will more than offset the extra you collect from the ones that remain thus a false economy. Ref the pensioners being means tested (in effect) ref winter fuel allowance, its a bit like the nurses who were having to visit food banks because they couldn't afford to go shopping, lots of media about it but try finding someone who actually knew a nurse who went to a food bank....you'll struggle as there is no reason for anyone in nursing to visit a food bank, there pay is more than sufficient to live even at basic levels and frankly the nurses I know (and I know a few, my ex partner worked in the NHS in Manchester as an STR worker) generally are pretty flush given the money they get for being a band 6 and above plus the seemingly inexhaustible amount of overtime they have available to them if they want it to bolster there incomes. So the pensioners who won't get the winter fuel allowance, I'm not saying there aren't some edge cases of folk who will struggle but by and large if they don't qualify for pension credits there not going to miss a few hundred quid, my Mum is 72 and doesn't qualify for pension credits and she is apoplectic about missing the winter fuel allowance, but as I stated to her does she really feel she needs the fuel allowance? Is she really going to not put her heating on when it get's cold? And the answer was no, because much as she feels she should get it it makes no real difference to her life or her ability to put the heating on. In truth this is more about principle than about practicality as to why people are outraged, for me labour should have left the fuel allowance in situ this year and taken this next year after they've demonstrated in the next budget (or two) that the better off are the ones who are going to carry the bulk of the burden ref the heavy lifting of paying for the rectification they are promising to the country and its public services, I'm a 40% tax payer, I fully expect to be hit at that level and will be pleased if it only get's put up by 1% (I'm expecting 2%), of course i'm not in the top 1% of tax payers and I can't simply pack up my bags and sod off to another non UK territory to protect my income from the tax rise (can't afford it and can't afford to retire either..!). Not saying labour have gone about this the right way but I think they are simply getting all of the bad stuff out of the way first, think they should have spread the pain about a bit more and started somewhere else before hitting the pensioners for there contribution.

@@neils1952 The random, baseless, argument that if they're taxed more they'll simply leave has been debunked, multiple times. Most of them don't have a huge amount of liquid assets. So them leaving would entail them needing to sell everything, at market price. Since your first paragraph is based on a lie, tldr, the rest.

That is because "Lego head" Reeves has a head and brain made from plastic.

Moreover, she has the most awful sounding voice. Ugh !

you think of Greg's roll's; Rachel thinks of the ovens and costs going into Greg's roll's

Yes... They said those with broad shoulders should be hit first, instead they hit the pensioners... Absolutely despicable....

Unions are turn coats, hypocrites.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if corporate interests would be waiting in the wings to fill that gap left by the unions if the unions ditched Labour. Then we'd be even more screwed!

The corporations already are the biggest contributors to Starver’s labour

@@Tulkash01 quite right, they attend government meetings to scheme with them and give the ministers free benefits...

Or form a separate party.

Regress, not Reform?!

He’s a left wing prick

yes true; socialist just love to spend other people's money on themselves

@@johnxxx5085 I agree

Mick Lynch and his like are propularist dreamers who left to them would have the country bankrupt and stagnating, 10% plus pay rises every year and when the country's bankrupt he'd blame the government saying its there fault for not promoting Britain correctly in the world marketplace. Holding us all to ransom with his overpaid train drivers demanding silly pay rises (despite the train drivers getting a 39.4% pay rise between 2012 and 2022, that's 13% above the average for the country and around 17% more than public sector workers over the same period). You'll note that they've accepted the pay deal now that was on the table from the Tories, the difference being that Labour have just given them a pay rise and not dealt with the issue of the Train driver contracts which currently mean all weekend train services are subject to overtime working at drivers discretion, the Tories had asked that the pay deal include discussions about addressing that ridiculous situation and changing contracts such that some drivers would be rota'd to work weekends to secure services but no chance of course, Mick isn't going to let his members lose there guaranteed overtime and his unions ability to cause disruption at the drop of a hat by simply applying a work to rule when they don't get there own way. Saying that you think he's worth his weight in gold, look forward to more strike action next year when they ask for more than the government can afford and disrupt the train services again (by quite simply not volunteering for overtime) or worse with actual industrial strike action...

So true!!

The right of the Labour Party are authoritarians who fundamentally don't believe in democracy

It never has been democratic or Broadchurch these are soumdbotes to indoctrinate people

no they actually don't. But its endearing you think so.

It will go through as the Unions are looking for pay rises for their members. Lisa Nandy stands by the Labour Government with the 5.5% pay increase for the Nurses. She mentioned this in an interview with one of the media groups. Train drivers are looked at better than people who are Nurses who save and treat our illnesses. Whereas a train driver sits in his cab and watches his computerized train.

@@robertdavies8305 Lisa Nandy is the Secretary of State for Culture, Media & Sport. Why is she talking about nurses’ pay? That’s Wes Streeting’s job. She should get on with her own job.

The Unions are dangerously close to being fork tongued. Shouting loud and then meekly accepting the attack on the less well off.

@@Ghengiskhansmum That is their role under capitalism: to act as the wages police, preventing action by their members.

God help us indeed under continued Tory policies and lies. How much more can we take??!!

WHY do we have another party WHO represent workers and the working class?

@@paulbird3235 Yeah it's called the Workers Party of Britain.

@@mysterymaverick1982 Yeah good luck getting them into power, we will be lucky to keep Labour at this rate!.

You wanted to keep tbe Tories? 😂😂

@@johnwright9372 The Tories were never going to get back in. I'm a traditional labour voter and this iteration of the labour party doesn't represent traditional labour values. I didn't want Blair back in power that's for sure.

Yes

Starmer had ten pledges when he stood for election as labour leader. He reneged on them all

The establishment chose Starmer as did Arch Tory Rupert Murdoch in the end. If he chooses him it says everything about Starmer and his cronies!

Who chose Michael Foot !! Who chose JC ? Who rejected Michael Foot ? Who rejected JC ? The voters who count….the electorate.

@@californiadreamin8423 The Murdoch Press were behind it

@fatherted9331 When did the pensioners stick up for literally anyone else but themselves? The poorest pensioners still get the winter fuel payment - if you cant afford to heat your house do what every other person in the country would have to do and DOWNSIZE. Our nation is going bankrupt in part by spending every penny on bennies for oldies who would barely lift a finger for anyone else

@@Siteus1rubbish

​​@@Siteus1 They literally built this country nitwit and protected our freedoms in some cases. Why don't we just do the decent thing stop sending money to constant wars and other countries vanity projects and spend our money in this country where the pensioners have paid into the system. I bet you think that paying train drivers above inflation pay rises is justified when most pensioners are on 1 5th of what they were earning before. I hope you have the same attitude in the future you won't be young and ignorant forever 😂

​​@Siteus1 They literally built this country nitwit and protected our freedoms in some cases. Why don't we just do the decent thing stop sending money to constant wars and other countries vanity projects and spend our money in this country where the pensioners have paid into the system. I bet you think that paying train drivers above inflation pay rises is justified when most pensioners are on 1 5th of what they were earning before. I hope you have the same attitude in the future you won't be young and ignorant forever 😂

Thank goodness they did and voted overwhelmingly against the policy.

You are correct...

No, they didn't. However, under Tory austerity many thousands of people died unnecessarily, many of them elderly. It was so abhorrent, the UN rapporteur issued a report stating UK austerity was an "ideological project causing much pain and misery" calling it "punitive, mean-spirited and often callous". Neoliberalism is the ideology and this Labour government, under the "fiscal rules" boondoggle is continuing the same practice. There's a reason George Osborne called Reeves "mini-me".

@@headgirlblues 💯🎯

Tories found a thousand other ways to nick money from the working class.

​@headgirlblues Absolutely well said!!! Thousands of disabled people died and alot of suffering caused by the tories and now the red tories want to to it again. They are both disgusting!!

Exactly! 👍

Tories were a continuous mare. A whole bunch of them!

What have you disagreed before about him ?

No, Mick was a Left wing Brexiteer, old school Labour man.

​@davidpryle3935 I think that's the worst excuse for voting Brexit I've ever heard .Why don't you phone James O'brien with that whopper .

@@jonnobloggs8642 You obviously have no knowledge of the history of the British left, particularly the working class socialist left. They have always been opposed to Britain’s membership of the neoliberal EEC/EU from the very start. Mick Lynch’s legendary predecessor at the RMT the late Bob Crow used to refer to the EU as a “neoliberal capitalist nightmare”. O’Brien is well aware of this, but of course he rarely mentions it as it wouldn’t suit his bourgeois liberal left audience.

@@jonnobloggs8642You obviously know very little about the history of the British left, particularly the working class left, and their attitude to the EEC/EU.

@davidpryle3935 I know a wee bit comrade .Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn ,Michael Foot , Peter Shore and some young bloke called Jeremy were fervent Brexiteers and part of the NO phalange in the 1975 Common Market referendum .The sensible YES alliance of Wilson ,Jenkins , Heath and Healey made a more persuasive argument to Remain and won with a resounding victory .The left of the Labour party are great bedfellows along with Farage and the alt Tory right when it comes to suspicion of centralised control from Brussels . Now do I get a gold star on my jotter for that answer

everyone at the top is there because of everyone else's money, one way or another.

@M2Mil7er that's not true.

😂😂😂😂😂​@@stephenmurray2851

@@stephenmurray2851 that's how governance and government work mate, money only exists so those in power have something to collect under the premise of protection and law and order, same as a mafia

Workers will most likely do better under Labour they usually do. Not under Tories.

nice try acrook. haha

Well they were possibly the best of a bad job.

Need to see how the whole lot of things they are doing pans out. No good throwing the baby out with the bath water. Too early days.

Mick Lynch is an old school Labour man. They have always been opposed to Britain’s membership of the neoliberal European Union.

No, Mick was a Lexiteer. They have never liked Mrs Thatcher’s EU single market.

That's not how austerity works. Austerity = spending cuts and tax rises which Reeves is talking about. The reason why debt levels are so high is 1/ Covid cost a huge amount of money in furlough and 2/ Economic growth has been so poor for 15+ years now which started with Austerity under Osborne that the UK has been running a deficit.

@@Matt-ou7tu Osborne had tax rises? So you are saying spending has to stay the same or go up it cannot go down? Sounds like a fallacy. Also I just checked, UK debt levels increased 78% from 2007-19 and covid added about another 16%. So come on BOE EQ ?

tax doesn't cover spending. Borrowing does. Investing wisely in housing stock, infrastructure makes the country asset rich. Selling it off doesn't.

Just remind us again of the 70s would you...power cuts,strikes,suicides,3 day weeks....all down to Labour and it's commie henchmen.

Stupid whataboutery nonsense

@@eckie4679 where’s the whataboutery? Did the new government just help to settle several industrial disputes with the unions, his included? I respect Lynch but this sounds like someone making the right sound bites.

and they should get help too. It's possible, but some make political capital out of pitching people against each other. Don't fall for it.

@@M2Mil7er less than 100 days, yet nothing but condemnation! I expect it from the right, they’re bitter, I expect it from the left, I hope the centre win, we’re the true logic!

@@M2Mil7er I agree, to a degree, but the national debt must be addressed. We accrue £89B at present, if we bring the debt down, we can concentrate on those who truly need it, the most vulnerable in our society, many many pensioners are not vulnerable, many many children are.

…..and you’ve been making that point since 1920 !!