really...i thought a "regular esthetician" was different from "clinical/medical aesthetician" b/c the latter could work in a doctor's office such as dermatologist or plastic surgeon...but it would be great to know more...additionally what are your (both the doctors) and the aesthetician's thoughts on the new advanced (at home) devices that are coming out...would there still be a need for an esthetician/aesthetician or could we just do most of the "work" at home and only need the dermatologist for more severe cases/procedures...thanks
I feel like they had missed so much information that can be crucial for someone who undergoes microneedling. You have to make sure you don’t use ANY active ingredient skincare products before and after the procedure and this is including VITAMIN C too, which they didn’t mention at all..Also avoid touching your face after the procedure to avoid getting bacteria on your face which could lead to some problems. First day/night just leave on whatever the esthetician had put on your face after your procedure. The next day you can wash your face but only with lukewarm water, no cleansers to avoid possible reaction! Avoid sun exposure fully! And if you really have to go out put on sunscreen. After 48 hours you can get back to your normal routine but I would say avoid exfoliants and active ingredients for up to 5 days after microneedling. I followed these exact steps after having microneedling done professionally . I didn’t go out until the second day after the procedure, and everything went well and perfect. My skin was glowing and had no bad reaction whatsoever 😊 I hope this helps
does this apply to derarolling/stamping by yourself? because i am planning to do it and then after like 30 minites apply something to boost beard growth, but i have seen so many treating this more casually in videos, so i dont understand this
I suffer from acne. When I microneedle I avoid active spots (with pus) but...I do treat red, painful pimples, works wonders. However, I do it very carefully and as the very last step.
The mental image of Drs Shah and Maxfield being the world’s worst patients going directly from micro needling to sunny picnic benches without suncreen and surfing in the ocean is hilarious! 😂😂😂
@@satan6548 doctors who post content on youtube can choose to go through the youtube verification process where they will make sure they’re actual doctors so we don’t have to. Under all their videos there is the accreditation “from a licensed doctor in the US” verified by RU-vid
I’ll never forget my first time getting micro needling, I wasn’t numbed. I cried the entire time and the esthetician said beauty is pain so I thought it was the norm. I’ve since had it elsewhere and it was done properly/numbed
from what i have seen some people would do without numbing -- but I can't image doing microneddling without numbing the area. anyways is long topic -- doctorly can provide a video on this topic. that would be great. 🤩
@halyses34. I have never had or done micro needling. Did you find it firmed your skin? Did it reduce the fat on your face. Do you know what the blade size was or do you pick that yourself? Sorry for all the questions but I really would love to know more about this. Thank you so much, Susan
@@animalsareourangels93 Microneedling is typically done at a depth that rarely (if ever) goes beyond the dermis so there's no chance microneedling would remodel your facial fat profile. Best way to sustainably reduce facial fat would be to clean up your diet and start doing zone 2 training (AKA "cardio") frequently and at a high enough volume (sessions lasting at least 30min with at least one "long" session per week). Search on any decent running/cycling channel to learn more. Your facial fat and the deeper aspect of your skin health will significantly improve as you get fitter. Good luck !
@@maloxi1472 thank you very much for your very thorough explanation of micro needling. I already jog anywhere from 3 to 5 miles every day. I haven’t ran in a few months because I caught Covid a few months ago and unfortunately I have long Covid. I don’t feel well. I’ve worked out all my life with aerobics running weights etc. I am a vegan I only eat organic foods no meat of course.. I have always taken such good care of my skin and I’m very petite actually. That’s why I was concerned about the facial fat to be honest. I don’t want to lose the fat in my face that I have now especially in my cheeks. I can’t wait to feel better again but I’ve made my mind up to start with weights again this week and start out slowly. My heart races even when I take five steps. I’m dizzy, I’m tired all the time…It’s terrible. In any case, thank you once again! I’ve taken a screenshot of it so I’ll have it for reference. Take care and thank you once again, Susan
I Love how all three called themselves and each other out. Nobody's perfect, but we can at least try to do our best. They showed that. :0) They're all definitely doing a lot more right than wrong when it comes to their skin. Looking good, y'all.
La Roche Posay's B5 Gel is specific for post procedure and peels. Really love it for night time repair. I layer the Cosrx snail mucin essence underneath
I’m so impressed that you had your aesthetician on this video.. I’m a cosmetologist with advanced aesthetics training, and this really was enjoyable. I’ve had microneedling & radio frequency microneedling. I think you said this was just regular medical depth >.3mm microneedling. If so what was the needle depth for each of your individual skin types and concerns? Thanks for a great video.
Def depends on the aesthetician. My first six treatments were with someone who stressed that it must be painful to be effective. Yes, she used topical numbing cream, but then she followed up with pressing hard into the skin. It was awful pain and then my face was bloody, swollen and red to the extreme - for at least 3 days after. I had to take off work after each tx, even though she gave me a pancake makeup to try to hide the damage. Then, she was transferred to another office and I received microneedling from someone who wasn't sadistic. Walk in the park. Could even describe it as 'felt kind of good'. This was in a large city, large multi-location practice. Had never had MN before so had no idea her technique was cruel. I had great results and that made me believe she was using the correct technique. Now, I've educated myself.
Thank you for including and collaborating with estheticians i feel like some derms really throw us to the wind. I personally love avene cicalfate for post care. I recommend it post peel too.
Just did this to myself tonight and decided to look up microneedling to refresh my memory on some good tips. Save so much money doing it myself. After my sunk costs each application only runs me $3 with $2 for the cartridge and $1 for hyaluronic acid, numbing cream, and alcohol wipes.
The place I go to for Microneedling won’t use any numbing cream, I was told that your not supposed to use it with microneedling. I have a low pain tolerance, it’s so painful. I’m definitely finding another place next time
As an aesthetician I don't use numbing cream as the client must be able to know and tell me if he/she is in pain. There should be no extreme redness or bleeding after this procedure
Dear Dr Maxfield and Dr Shah, Many thanks for this (and other) informative video(s)! I've had microneedling done by various professionals and the use of numbing cream seems to be very polarising amongst them. One beauty therapist even told me that using it defies the purpose of microneedling as it draws the blood away from the skin so the skin doesn't have the same healing and regenration potential? I am fine without using the numbing cream as I am quite pain-resistant and the procedure is much, much shorter but could you please share your opinion on this approach? Does doing microneedling "raw" really bring about better results and shortened recovery? I've also observed different approaches to how the actual procedure is done including how many times the microneedling pen is drawn over the same area of skin. Once I had it done multiple times and my face was red and pulsating for three days post- procedure and I was shedding like a snake for the following four days. My favourite therapist only drags the pen once over any given area (twice at most for "areas of concern"), as the purpose of microneedling is to thicken and "densen" the skin, not to remove the top layer of the skin. It's probably worth mentioning she uses the original Dermapen 4.0, wheareas other specialists I've seen use different tools (Nanofrax, SkinPen etc.), and I realise there might be different schools of thought even when it comes to microneedling! Would you be able to share your experitse on what you think the best technique is? I feel like microneedling is one of the most popular procedures and even though I've had it done multiple times over the past couple of years, I still don't quite understand what best-in-class should look like. P.S. This is my first comment on your channel (and on RU-vid!) - many thanks for sharing your evidence-based experitse, energy and educating us in the most approachable and fun way on all things skin and skincare! ❤
great questions. I would say even needling over the area multiple times wouldn't be removing any skin, it would just be creating more punctures. You can also create more punctures by having more needles in the pen. I think there's no one size fits all approach as some people might just have very sensitive skin. I think typically you can go over the skin at least 2 times, but to watch for excessive bleeding, choose the right needles and depth for the area you're in, choose a pattern for application vs randomly drawing etc etc. There are a lot of factors that go into the process to consider in addition to redoing the same area (not suggesting you don't know but these factors could also be why you've had less favorable experiences. Some people might even quite like the "snake shedding" effect you described as that's similar to after effects of a chemical peel). I also don't use a numbing cream either at home or at my aesthetician's. She's very cautious about what your skin absorbs and while numbing cream isn't the worst thing in the world, you wouldn't want to accidentally push that in deeper into your face if you forgot to wipe some off, and the process really isn't that unpleasant without it.
Bringing your own sunscreen is a good tip as I've felt let down at clinics in the past. I'm in control when doing my own treatments as I can either avoid the sunlight by not walking around exposed or use sunscreen after my own procedure. Suppose you have somewhere to go afterwards (an appointment) and end up walking around for an hour, then returning home worried after a powerful laser treatment.
Stickler, huh? I just love her smile and kind manner and voice while telling us! You guys were all cute together. Fun lol I appreciate all the tips. Thank you!
Love this❤ you guys are the best. Literally all of you were super informative and empathetic with people and their differences regarding pain tolerance and skin.
Interesting. My dermatologist specifically said NO mineral sunscreens because the tiny mineral particles can get into the wound and cause an infection.
I've done both and I recommend prf for undereyes.. huge difference and once a year is more than enough. Fillers travel and they end up in places in the face where it's hard to dissolve them.. risk of blindness involved with undereye filler too
Doc, please please review the current holly grail skincare trend that is really hyping in South Korea rite now: The reedle shot 100/300/700 from Vtcosmetic global? It claimed to have a same effect as microneedling, and lotsa people swear by it! I'm super curious on what your take on this 🙏🙏
FYI coming from an esthetician at a dermatology clinic-- MicroPen is the only FDA approved microneedling pen on the market at this time and is only sold to physicians or if you’re under them. I know Fda approval doesn’t mean everything but they are less faulty!
Incorrect. Evol Micropen is FDA-cleared; not FDA approved (there’s a difference) and in terms of FDA clearance, no, it’s not the only microneedling device to achieve that. SkinPen is also FDA cleared.
Not a doctor, but yes, you can! Even something as simple as Vaseline is safe. Both doctors talked about this in other videos. I hope that helps & you're feeling better!
Also not a doctor, but of course you can use Aquaphore or Vaseline or the Cerave healing ointment on your poor, post-cold nose. I do it when I have a cold; all that nose blowing irritates the skin, even with using the ultra soft tissues. I usually use it during a cold, too. Feel better! 🤧
I am going to get it done within a few months. I finished my accutane course. I'm also interested to know feedback from people you've already had it done
I have pretty sensitive skin and widespread rosacea, and I’ve had 4 sessions, I tolerated very well, gave myself decent amount of downtown, turned out significantly more red than these guys but I’m also very fair skinned, and Alastin skin nectar post is expensive but so worth it, just my suggestion!
@@pullkickglide Thank you so much for sharing your experience! I've wanted to book a session, but not until I'd heard first hand from someone else who had rosacea.
I microneedle at home once or twice a week with the Dr Pen 36 gauge needles and have had no problems. I have rosacea mainly on my cheeks…no pustules just mainly redness with broken capillaries. I use hyaluronic acid while doing and then follow up with copper peptide serum and, of course, sunscreen.
That's the whole idea. Serums are used during microneedling so they can penetrate the skin more effectively. Vitamin c, hyaluronic acid, niacinamide etc
Cute video but as doctors you could have mention the fact that one should not take anti-inflammatory around the procedure…from what I read elsewhere. There’s others tips to add also.. like wash you phone, change your pillow case, maybe do rf right before, ha to recover… like guys, you just did half of the job on this one. Other than that I love watching you. 🫶🏼
What I do after micro needling on the deepest level where you know your skin is gonna fall off afterwards I use sink cream we have one in Norway which is for babies but it works wonders I use it as a mask and when I go in the shower all the skin just falls off and completely reduces all redness and calms the skin.
I wanted to love microneedling but it wreaked havoc on my super sensitive skin. They only thing it did was completely destroy my skin barrier which took months to heal. Mind you I worked a at top medical spa at the time and received treatments for fee and still would not do it again.
A couple of months ago I went to a Transport and Barriers conference in Germany, and there was a group that tested birch sap in vitro for skin regeneration (cell culture basically). Maybe those creams could be used as well? The results were quite convincing! ❤ I need to come back with the name of the group
Worst mistake I ever made- used vitamin c serum after microneedling. 🥵 It took a week for the pain and peeling to stop. DON’T PUT VITAMIN C SERUM ON AFTER MICRONEEDLING!!!!
My dermal clinician purposely doesn’t put sunscreen on my face after microneedling or a chemical peel because he says my skin is too sensitive for all those ingredients and I should avoid spf for 1-2 days. Somewhere it does make sense but I’m also lowkey scared? 😅
So what length of needle are you referring to? If you microneedle at home once a week, you pretty much will never be able to use actives if you follow these guidelines.
They missed out crucial details notiing that NONE should use a cleanser right after the procedure!! 😂 Or anything for the 1st day after doing the procedure at all, next 2 to 3 or up to even 5 day u can onlyyy wash ur face with lukremwater and put ointment/gentle moisturizer onlyyyyyyy, I have been doing micro needling for almost 3 years
Hi, i love your videos they are super easy to understand and knowledgeable can you please advice what should be the depth of microneedling and is it suitable to do prp with it like spread it on the skin after microneedling and can I do it on neck also Many thanks
Sorry but the Vichy product contains Niacinamide which some people simply can’t tolerate. The Cerave healing ointment or Aquaphor are much better options in this case.
I’m not familiar with nor do I use any active ingredients; all the names and what not being mentioned here, I’m not familiar with. I just use Oil of Olay Original moisturizer. So what might I need for post home derma-stamping?
Lo was gliding the pen and I've read that gliding can cause tears in the skin and it's better to move and stamp, is this true or not true? Also actives for melasma, sun damage, like vit c, are there any actives that work well to improve or add on to the procedure during or after?
I thought one of the points of microneedling was the penetration of products deeper into the skin. Why should you now not use any active products after the procedure?
Thanks for this! Definitely don’t think it was as intense in the UK with the bleeding and all. Not sure if they applied a numbing cream though because I definitely felt the pain? Maybe it was a gentler process. Thank you for the information though! They definitely put sunscreen on me even though it was dusk and raining outside!!
