Microsoft changes Windows Recall default, do you trust them NOW? 

_"Microsoft changes Windows Recall default, do you trust them NOW?"_ No.

Microsoft employees didn't think that users would like Recall. The Microsoft people thought they could get away with it.

It's not just the privacy, it sucks the computer resources for no reason, if we disable every extra feature from win 11 (including samba network shares) we will end up with less than 1gb memory usage and if using laptop, the battery will like you.

Even if they said they were scrapping the entire thing, I wouldn't trust them -- because they'd _sneak_ it back in later under a different, ambiguous name.

Do I trust Microsoft? Short answer: no. Long answer: hell no.

I've been using Windows since NT3.1 Beta (yes, there was such a thing). I'm also a long time Linux user, with Yggdrasil and Slackware on kernels 0.95 or so. For years I have been putting off the switch from Windows to Linux on my desktop. Not anymore. My new PC is sitting next to me, Linux Mint on it, and halfway there in transferring my work to it. Bye bye, Windows.

I think they did this so you'll have to sign a license agreement stating that you won't sue them if your identity gets compromised using recall.

I switched to Linux years ago and never looked back. I think this whole Recall fiasco is gonna make people take a long, hard 2nd look at Linux and maybe make the switch. There are some distros out there that are super easy, user friendly, and familiar to Windows users. Come on, people! Make the switch!!!! You won't regret it!

I'm no conspiracy theory guy by any means. But this one has NSA written all over it. 😁 Recall was not dreamed up by 2 nerds talking in a back room during a pizza lunch. 😋

No. I used this weekend to backup my systems and move my laptop & desktop over to Linux (Mint). I have Windows 10 running on a workstation for limited use. Been messing with Linux on and off for almost a decade and this was the push to move. Even ignoring the security issue, my computer isn't here for someone else to utilize as a resource.

In the 1993 movie 'Jurassic Park' Jeff Goldblum's "Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should" line rang rather prophetically. More than a dozen years ago, the Australian federal government, in its haste to up the ante in the fight against terrorism, at the recommendation of ASIO, the national intelligence and counter-intelligence directorate, approached the half-dozen or so internet service providers and asked them to record and archive all the internet traffic within Australia, to which the ISP companies turned around and told the government in no uncertain terms to go and get effed, because there simply wasn't enough data storage capacity in the entire country to do something like that for just 3 weeks, let alone for the 12 months that the government requested. Not even Google, probably the largest global data storage entity, can offer the kind of data recording and storage capacity that Microsoft had in mind with Recall, so I'm not sure that they've actually stopped to think it through at all. I think Microsoft wanted to pair up Recall together with Copilot (their version of AI) to get the kind of computing capability that would make Windows 11 more intuitive, more predictive, more personalized and more robust, to give end users the kind of targeted computing that would make it that much more indispensable and that much more reliable. What they forgot to realize though is that, with that kind of granular data recording, they'd inadvertently make personal computing that much more vulnerable and that much more intrusive and oppressive. No wonder Windows users are now absolutely aggravated by all this, completely suspicious of Microsoft's true intentions, not to mention, more determined to abandon Windows in favor of other OS platforms like Android and Linux. It turns out after all that the Linux universe didn't have to do anything else at all to get more Windows defectors.

Ah I don't think I have trusted Windows since Windows 2000 (the last good implementation of that OS). As soon as Ubuntu became a thing that normal people could use to do normal things I installed that.

"Do you trust them now"? One have to be insane to trust anyone or anything at all (referring to companies). Edit; the fact that Microsoft never thought about having an opt-out button to begin with. Shows you their intentions about the intended "feature", Because, it is definitely malicious. You don't decide to have something like this, let alone not having an op-out option (which mostikely don't do anything, knowing Microsoft) without being malicious in the fist place.

The way i see it is that if i cant remember where i put my stuff then it wasnt that important in the first place. Im not fan of all this and i dont expect us to be able to avoid this kind of stuff forever but as Peter Capaldi's Doctor in Doctor Who series said "Sometimes only choices you have are the bad ones but you still have to choose".

Microsft 2024: "This is going as planned ...they still think we haven't already been doing this remotely for decades"

For me, the big issue: even when recall is turned off by default, it can be re-enabled without the user knowing, and it can be done automatically by viruses/hackers. So yeah. Even turning it off isnt going to save you.

Hi again, John. I continue to enjoy your videos, whether we do or do not agree. In fact, the friends I value most are those who provoke and challenge me, expanding my thinking. Here, we do disagree, and I'd like to address a couple or three points. Twice at least you mentioned directly, and also referred peripherally to Recall being what devs might think cool or useful, not regular users. This may in fact be so, but it is not the developers who make decisions on what is or is not included with, or excluded from, Windows. It is Microsoft's corporate heads, board members, executives, and etc. And both by nature and by literal law, the one thing Microsoft must do is maximize profits for their shareholders. This is actually corporate law. So the real questions, in my view, is why does Microsoft believe Recall--and let's stipulate that when I say "Recall", I mean not it's use as an ostensible back-up tool, but it's use as a data-mining tool, in potentia, or in fact. Who wants you--and my--data? A lot of people invoke the triple-letter agencies, NSA, CIA, FBI. OF course they find data useful, and indubitably they sometimes, even often, misuse data, or abuse the collection thereof. But I honestly think, if I were, day, an ex-CIA spook, I'd defend them here. Cicero, way back in the days of the Roman Empire, said it was prudent when investigating a question to ask "cui bono?" which roughly means "who profits?" The data of the average user is not of value to the alphabet agencies. They are not trying to sell anything. YOUR data, MY data, is of greatest value (remember MS wants to maximize profits) to corporations which want us to buy from them, and to target us with advertisements in order to cause us to do so. I believe therefore that Microsoft established Recall in order to sell more Microsoft software to the massive retail corporations which want your and my very last dollar. MS gets their money by selling us, "the product", to the advertisers and corporations who hire those advertisers. It is only collateral damage or peripheral benefit (if they catch a bad guy) that agencies like CIA or NSA or FBI glean data from Recall. The primary focus of Recall is, I believe, capitalist retail hegemony, and MS attains that by selling software to gigantic purveyors of goods and services, my pool little ol' "ex-spooks" like we are pretending me to be. I honestly believe giving any given non-enemy individual's data to NSA or CIA or FBI is a bit like calling your local police department to say that your neighbor put an ugly pant in their porch. The scope of the offense is not of use to the agency to which you would have reported it. Or if you like analogies, I used to love physical newspapers, and had more per day than almost anyone I knew. but even if I could have afforded to subscribe to EVERY daily newspaper in existence, I would have had neither the time nor the interest in reading every page of the Honolulu paper, or the Peoria paper, and etc. Additionally, even could I have done so, fatigue would have overtaken my normally intense interest and curiosity. So all you tin-hat guys (I don't mean you, John, grin" who invoke "NSA" every time some corporation like MS violates our privacy think about that. Don't you think big capitalism corporations benefit vastly more than alphabet agencies who DO protect you, too? At any event, whomever you think is the consumer of Microsoft's ill-gotten data, it is palpably clear Microsoft is untrustworthy, to me. Thanks for the mini-soap-boz here, John. I felt like some of what I had to say might shine a small beam of clarifying light on a crepuscular issue. - S.

when win 12 or copilot pc comes out with recall installed and turn on by default will still be there MS will find ways to harvest data oneway or another , they will find excuse with big words security better encryption etc etc so that no one can access but secretly new term changes that they will retrieve data for learning or something just like adobe

Insightful analysis, John. I noticed that the audio is a little low on the recording…

Microsoft also initially did not encrypt saved recall data. Now after a rethink it is encrypted by default.

The whole thing is to tie in the requirement for new hardware to run Recall. If you don't use Recall or want it will they still require the hardware capability in order to run Windows ? Of course they will ! It is an excuse to sell new hardware and OS licenses.

The idea of asking mere end users what they want probably doesn't even occur to the lofty egos in upper management. Customers are simply sheep to be sheared.

Was planning on going to Linux even before this started. Just need to pick the version.

Microsoft doesn't realize we don't trust them anymore. They ego is out off earth.

Recall and bsod that bricks my PC was the straw the broke the camels back. I've been happy on Linux for two weeks now and I'm able to everything I want. I don't feel a need to even spin up a windows vm.

By the way, the so called "snapshots" are not images per se. Those are really called embeddings, which are vector representations of the images, files etc, so it occupies less space and are used for ML algos, specially LLMs

*The real shame is that Microsoft can do whatever they want - and 99% of the customers do not stop paying for M$ products.* Therefore it does not even make sense to report and talk about those things because it does not change anything. It just slows down the nightmare 0.01% but it keeps going fast.

Very close to deleting my Windows partition.

No!!! The fact it is still in the OS, there and it just takes an MS update to enable it in error....

The feature basically turns your machine into the monitor from 1984. No thanks.

I am switching to Pop OS Linux and will never run Windows ever again.

It's like a web camera and someone tells you: "Nah, it's off", will you trust them :D ?

No, I don't trust them. They'll secretly turn it back on when they decide the anger has died down enough.

I don't trust Microsoft as far as I can pee into the wind. Their EULA back spray is pure coercion. If the video and music production software I own was available on Linux and had 100 percent feature parity, I would dump Microsoft Windows in a heart beat never to return. That is how much I loath their business paradigms! Too much power in that subversive EULA. I wish I could have existed in a parallel universe where OS/2 Warp was the dominant.

Haven't trusted Microsoft from the days of MS Windows 10, so this "change" is no use to me, because I don't run any modern Microsoft operating system.

Trust Microsoft? Never really have, Never really will. I use it because I'm kinda forced to, to do the things I want. I'm weaning myself from certain games, though, so I can leave the M$ environment totally.

Microsoft's thinking here is simple. They think AI is the next big thing and they want to own it so they, along with every other big tech company with AI aspirations are going to be using every method they can - ethical or shady - to gather as much of their users data and feed it into the AI training algorithms. Microsoft missed the Internet train and it cost them dearly, then they missed the smartphone train and that cost them dearly too, they are determined not to miss the AI train and if they have to leverage their desktop monopoly in shady ways to do it, they will.

I'm convinced the Microsoft project conception team is a bunch of bullies who intentionally make things worse for their customers, just for a giggle.

I love linux mint far better than windows

users don't want ai, investors do.

After working with Microsoft products for 2+ decades as an IT professional, I no longer trust them. At least for private use, I switched to Linux and MacOS.

I don't believe they were innocent and just trying to create a feature to help us and devs. I believe information is power and they want to stay ahead of competition by collecting data to train their models and learn how to better sell you their products. An AI that can help you with every task on your PC, like a perfect personal assistant, is very appealing. I believe they thought users would want that without questioning what would be going on behind the scenes. And there's nothing anyone can say to convince me that Microsoft would not be using all my data to their benefit. There's always a catch. "You want an AI to do all your tasks for you? Sure! I'll just spy on what you're doing, don't mind me. It's to make the tool better for you, of course."

It's a security nightmare if anyone uses this "feature". In all honesty, Microsoft's lost the plot. It's like whoever's steering the ship said "Point towards the rocks and full steam ahead!"

Short answer: Absolutely not.

No Thanks to Anything Microsoft

My answer in short: Hell no. Haven't trusted them since 2006, and never will.

You can easily disable all of this. It is not the end of the world.

NO

Short answer : No Long answer: Absolutely No

Never trust a cheater.

Nope, I don't....

no i'll trust a drink by cosby before i trust microsoft

If your information is being posted to the public then no I still don't trust it if I wanted to screenshot what I am do it I would use Ctrl + Prtsc technically we've been having RECALL it's called screen capping but Microsoft thinks they can trick us it's a fucking keylogger they're begging for another class action lawsuit. If I wanted to screenshot my desktop I would do it on my own terms not by a keylogger that wants to do it automatically this software is definitely spyware even Linux can do it but not forced or used by AI we just don't need RECALL screen capping it for us and you don't need a "Copilot+" PC in order to screencap your own PC just make your own folder and naturally screenshot your desktop it's safer this definitely screams red flag.

Nope.avi

Makes no difference. Windows 11 is still a lousy operating system. Worst version of Windows ever. I wouldn't use it no matter what they do. If you are on Linux which is a very good operating system and everything works then you don't need Windows.

I do not trust Microsoft or any big corporation.

To be fair the idea of recall in and of itself isn't terrible but how MS implemented it was. Not that I would trust MS to not harvest data from it in some way in the future which is another concern. Add in the disk space requirements and the fact that it's constantly writing to disk (which can be bad for NVME SSD's) and yeah.

FORGET MS'S RECALL-WORRY ABOUT THEM ENCRPYTING YOUR HARD DRIVE! Please look at the story behind the story-when MS starts to auto encrypt hard drives with Windows 11 24 H2 this fall, they will be able to have PERMANANT RECALL on your computer, whether you like it or not. They also would be in a position to upload your hard drive contents and give to law enforcement with or without YOUR PERMISSION. If you don't use one drive, the cloud, or ANY FORMS OF AI and have external hard drives to back up your computer, WHY LET THEM HAVE ACCESS? But here is a better question: Why doesn't MS offer a stripped down computer-one with no cloud access, no one drive, and NO AI? They could also make it a LTSC EDITION to really lock people in, especially the elderly. I love MS in so far as what they have done but hate their constant privacy invasion and will never use any of their products that require an encrypted hard drive, where they hold the key. If they continue to go down this path, not only will they lose some market share, they will shift the paradigm regarding customers deciding to spend a little more time to move to other platforms, in order to have more privacy.

OPEN AI JUST APPOINTED THE FORMER HEAD OF THE NSA TO ITS BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remove all AI

Never trusted MS nor many other companies

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

I am going to linux screw windows 11

I never trusted Microsoft. Never.

Well on this apple tree I trust Google far more than I trust Microsoft!!!

Trust Microsoft? Nope.

Yes. They aren't doing this they were untrustworthy, but because people like you threw a tantrum over nothing.

You are very late to the bandwagon on this one. Next time you join a bandwagon so late, at least have something original to say.

Of course I don't trust MicroSoft. But that happened by the mid-90s, continues to this day, and has nothing to do with Recall, which I have never used and never will. I have used Linux since '94 (and _not_ used Windows since '01), and am, curiously, having a little fun with MacOS at the moment. A gun to my head (metaphorically, but you never know!) would be necessary for me to use Windows.