I just found a dell laptop for 379 with the same specs as the sp8 i5. Obviously build quality is drastically different but it should be price at 599, MAYBE 649, certainly not 899.
Microsoft's surface product naming scheme is beyond confusing. You would not (or maybe you would) believe the amount of times I had to swap b-roll because I put the wrong surface in.
@@mancuniangamecat8288 The average consumer/normie does have a problem with it but anyone with any level of reasoning skills wouldn’t. Microsoft obviously expects people to have functioning brains which let’s be real not everyone has.
@@kobirelf97 don't forget the confusing situation with their games as well since unlike Sony they didn't change the colors for their cases lol. The amount of times I have had customers either exchange or almost buy the wrong copy of a game because they didn't realize they were getting the X instead of the One Copy lol. Which also drives more confusion when you have the games that do smart delivery lol.
@@TheGunnyBadger03xx Or AMD. Maybe I should have stated it as x86, not PC. Although, I'm not a fan of anything less than 16GB for Mac either, even with the better efficiency.
@@TheGunnyBadger03xx Yeah, it works, but I'd still prefer 16GB (for a computer - laptop/tower/etc.). It's about all the software, not just the OS. Hell, I went with 32GB (2x16GB) in my new build this summer so I don't have to worry about it for 10 years however I use it.
Seriously no. We have a ton of 8gb machines at work, half of them on windows 11 and they're fast, especially the latest AMD and Intel processors.but even 8th gen feels fast
I bought a surface pro 5 years ago and I mainly got it for notes and to be a device I wanted to use. I already had a big gaming computer so I really only use laptops for productivity. And until recently the low specs didn't hurt me. But I definitely agree that a little more ram would make a huge difference.
Yeah. I game mostly on my Xbox, but when I do game on a computer (I don't do it much,) I play Rollercoaster Tycoon 3. About the only thing I really use computers for is either to manage my personal music library, which is huge (~1,500 songs) or for schoolwork, and I think both of those fall under productivity.
I went to buy a windows laptop the other day with a budget of $1000. Came across the Surface with 128gb SSD and 13 inch display. When enquired if I can increase the storage, he asked to upgrade to 1tb by paying some humongous amount extra or invest in cloud subscriptions. When I asked about Microsoft office bundled, he was like “you get a trial version, but need to subscribe after a month”. It was absolutely crazy, they want you to spend a $1000 and still invest in cloud and office. Absolutely crazy. I went to a HP store and got a much better laptop at $200 lesser than my budget.
There you go all for the same Windows experience. For once someone in this forum with REAL PRACTICAL VALUE. Rather than the majority of "entitled whiners" out there.
I agree with all of this comment except that HP is a better machine. Sadly my experience with them has been that they have been pretty solidly trash since at least 2010, probably earlier. But yeah non upgradeable hardware components is a bad move across the board and subscription based only is a serious money suck.
@@dsly4425 the new ones aren’t that bad. They have upgradable intervals now. I’ll be upgrading my SSD and RAM once the warranty expires on my product. Also my laptop comes with Microsoft office home and student edition activated for life.
As a Mac guy I do also have a lot of respect for the build quality of the Surface laptops as we deployed them in a company I worked in a few years back. I think by tying all the upgrades in together price wise Microsoft is making a mistake. You might want more storage, RAM or an i7 but you can't pick individually. Back to a quick thought on Apple despite using their products their upgrades are insanely priced sometimes but you do tend to have a bit more flexibility than this. I also think it was a very good point Austin made that Microsoft don't have the flexibility of someone like Dell to offer loads of options.
People really do forget that Microsoft is in the business of serving... businesses, not gamers. The vast majority of their products and services are geared towards business and productivity, not running around headshotting people.
Microsoft's Surface laptops lines are one of my favourite designs for a laptop, and I'm a fan but the worst thing about the pricing is that outside of the US it's even worse, I'm in Italy for example, and the base model for the Surface Laptop 5 is €1.209, so it's already $200 more expensive, and those $200 upgrades look more like €300 here, so it's all exponentially worse making it a way too harsh of a buy if you look at the competition.
Mostly agree with both. Not only is the build quality a reason for the price, but also its aesthetics & resolution. There's rarely a Windows laptop adopting a 2K monitor. They usually skyrocket to a 4K mon with a significant price jump. I bought a Surface Pro 8 (16+256GB) with a signature type cover & a slim pen 2 for US$1100 at a local retailer. Yes, when they are on sales, the price is reasonable.
I have to agree the price differences are crazy and it's usability can be limited mostly to work, however, a MacBook is also geared more towards business work than gaming. I think both have their place albeit quite niche. My wife's work tablet/laptop crashed a lot in the middle of her doing work and so I ended up buying her a surface 7 pro (i5, 8gb ram, 128gb) with the keyboard and pen. It cost me $1200 but she uses it for work (she's a social worker) and browsing. The pen and keyboard were a bit pricy, but they get used a lot. It's piece of mind for both of us that she has something that just works. She also has a console, so gaming wasn't a priority.
4:48 it isn't just Microsoft doing this - I work at a big box store in a big US city and almost ALL of our laptops have 8GBs of RAM. If you want 16GBs you also have to get the 512GB (sometimes even the 1TB) SSD and/or you have to step up to an i7/Ryzen 7/i9/Ryzen 9, and you're likely looking at spending at least ~$1300 - $1500 . There is a market for ~$1000 laptops with i5/Ryzen 5s, 16GBs of RAM and 256/512GB SSDs but nobody wants to supply that market because most consumers who care about 16GB of RAM are willing to spend extra, even when they may not need the other hardware they're paying for. It's a shame honestly because with how fast CPUs are nowadays, 16GB with an i5 or even an i3 could be an awesome facebook/tab hoarding machine.
if I'm spending so much money and want great build quality I'm just going to get a MacBook like a did. I'll get a great laptop that has incredibly quality, battery life and huge resale value if I upgrade years down the road. 10yr old MacBooks still sell for a few hundred dollars.
Most companies buy laptops at discounts and don't consider not buying at discounts (most about 30%) Microsoft is simply putting a 30% markup on everything so that institutions can feel like they are getting a discount.
Remember that Microsoft also has a vision of people moving more towards cloud storage (One Drive), remote desktop, and cloud computing. It's been shown that on the new rollout of Android 12L on Surface Duo and Duo 2 they have started installing new remote desktop software that allows you to plug your phone into a dock to RDP into your desktop or a cloud computer while simultaneously still using your phone as normal. So, they may see high storage and processing power on mobile devices as somewhat of an antithesis to their vision of computing in the future.
I feel what you saying about the pricing. I'm a fan of the surface lineup. But I haven't upgraded because of the cost. When I first saw the original surface book released I was in love but I never thought I would own one because they cost so much. But then I got lucky and I saw one on Amazon as a refurb for $640 and I jumped on it. To this day I've never seen another one, Even from the first generation at that low price. I love the products But I don't see myself playing $2,000 for one
Microsoft scandals: Build a phone and then after the upgrade breaks the camera, pull all models off the shelves and discontinue all sales rather than admit guilt and recall the phones. One of the corrupt companies you will ever work for.
Surfaces are mostly used in companies. They are already doing business with microsoft with their office applications and with workspace365 so its easy to have it all from the same source and when bought in bulk they of course get a good deal
I don’t see Microsoft as being an average consumer company when it comes to computers but are business and education focused. You are right you get more out of some of the other manufacturers. I guess part of the question would be if the support eol is any different than other PCs.
I don't see too many in the business environment purchasing these either, the same way not many buy will the macs. All our pc's in my company has been upgraded to 16 gb of ram a while ago. 8gbs is just not enough in 2022. So there is no way most companies will purchase laptops at 2 grand a pop, unless you are maybe upper management. Mostly what you will see is Dell and HP.
@@Boxhead42 yeah man. Cause most of all they just need to do only doc or just chroming. Which would required only few buck. The much heavier worker just buy themself.(which they dont go for notebook still lol) and yes. neither surface nor macbook can do the ACTUALLY HARDLOAD JOB!
Lovely chat, guys. I really want this thing but am bummed out that MS was SO LAZY with the upgrades. I have concerns about the Core i7-1255U power and efficiency. The aesthetics are actually decent and I can live with those chunky bezels, but can you confidently use a Surface Laptop 5 for six-eight hours for document editing, web browsing and calls without fretting over battery drain? That's the issue. I need to type A LOT and browse a lot with dozens of tabs, but not if it stutters or dies on me real quick.
4 years ago I would have said to get a Surface laptop, but now that Apple ditched the POS "Butterfly" keyboard, added back ports, and implemented the Apple Silicon SoC, it's a no-brainer to get an M1 or M2 Macbook. Unless you really want a portable Windows gaming solution, that is.
I bought the blue Surface Laptop 3 last winter. Love it, especially the keyboard, trackpad and alcantara. But yeah, it's expensive for what you get on the inside. So you're paying for the design and the quality feel of it.
Well I was a Dell rep in big box stores I had this same idea for Surface products. I had to explain to customers often why they would pay for a i7 price for a i5. It helped sell dells sometimes but it was wild and they often tell customers if you really want a surface wait for a sell. But they feel and look great
8GB on a Windows machine this day in age is a no go. 16GB is pretty much my minimum if it's x86. ARM is a little different but 8GB is kinda iffy there too.
Alot of people are buying phones that are more expensive than Surface Pro. I'm still using both of my Surface Book 2 (for media consumption) and 3 (for work). I've gamed on both before I got Xbox Seies X.
"The one weird case for architecture?" Yes - exactly. I'm an architect. We need the RAM, and a chip fast enough to fill the RAM, and we're always on the road trying to look cool. So- you say they go on sale?
Those prices are all insane. I paid $800 and got a laptop with a Nvidia 1080 and 17 inch screen and 1gb ssd 512mb m.2, and 16gb ram 🤣 Like 2x as fast for half the price.
While I agree they're expensive, a gaming laptop is not for the same purpose as a Surface. You will get a faster machine for less money, sure, but that's not why you buy a Surface ultralight.
Dude that's what I'm saying hell I've seen for $350 gtx 1650 laptops. If you want just a CPU kind of laptop pay no more then like 400 max even then just find the cheapest gaming laptop and it will blow away any normal laptop.... Shit crazy..... Lol
I had a surface once upon a time, and my biggest issue with it was that, for what it was, it had no touch UI to speak of. Like if they would stop and do like Apple and make Windows 8 UI SPECIFICALLY for touchscreen devices, and let you have a start menu for a desktop device and maybe let you switch between, I would be totally fine with it. Microsoft's all or nothing attitude is what is legitimately hurting their brand right now. They have no vision of what things should be like and it makes absolutely no sense to the consumer at all. They had media center, then killed it off but during that time, they didn't force that UI as an all or nothing, so WHY do it with the Windows touch UI?
I ordered my wife one on sale. It was tremendously discounted. I think she’s the target demographic; she likes the build quality of a Mac but doesn’t like Mac OS (she actually had a MacBook before), she does online courses/work and light photoshop, and she doesn’t play games other than the occasional age of empires or minecraft with the kids.
I do really love my Surface Laptop Go, bought this year because price drop drastically here in Mexico (like 18Kmxn ~ 900US to 12Kmxn ~ 600USD), and yes, the build and hardware construction is delightful, screen, touchpad, the freaking way to open it, but pure specs are very low. To give an example, I bought (and returned) a Lenovo IdeaPad3 with Ryzen 7 5th, 16GB of RAM and 512GB SSD, for 700USD and even so I'm much more happy with the Surface.
I had a Surface Book 3 and about a year ago it broke: Pretty much exactly 2 years after I bought it (when the guarantee expired). I can't really believe that the quality of surface products is top-notch, as currently in my school, surface products are recommended, but the people who have to replace their laptops are almost exlusively ones that had a surface.
Talk about their support of which they only offer 1 year warranty from what I can tell. I'm a tech and my company works for the DOE in NYC. The doe all use lenovo's and mac's for art class. Lenovo web site has good support, it has 3 yr warranty and you can buy any part listed with pictures of it to replace any part yourself. Microsoft doesn't have that
I bought a MSI Modern 14 for £400... 11th Gen I5, 8GB 3200Mhz RAM (which I upgrade to 16GB), 256GB SSD which I can also upgrade if need be, full aluminium body, nice screen... £400! If you're looking for a laptop like this, check out the Modern line up!
People buy the Surface line for a business grade device. It's not for gaming. It's for a solid business device that you don't need to worry about as an IT department. I agree so much with the port configuration being lacking. Wait 6 months and then buy them for personal use.
With the inflation going on, these companies really need to rethink their sales. Edit: for those who need a maxed out laptop for a reasonable price, look up hp devone. That thing is maxed out with specs, ryzen 7 with an AMD GPU, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB storage, 1000 nits screen, 51 wh battery for $1099.
Matt nailed it - its because the corps will pay upfront for new fleets of hardware and school's never pay that list price. AND NONE OF THEM BUY 16GB OF RAM. Though they should be.
Something else that I noticed-and maybe I’m incorrect- I can’t seem to find any official microsoft battery service. Everyone blasts apple for repairability, but what about Microsoft? I get that some of the form factors may require special engineering to make them possible, but taking the example of LTT’s laptop studio, they broke it because the bottom panel was attached with lots of flimsy clips and hidden screws. About the quality of microsoft surface products, the plastic strip next to the volume button on my surface book 2 broke within 2 years of owning it. I rarely used those buttons and i had never taken it outside the house. My friend’s higher powered surface book 2 had a battery that expanded. They took it to Microsoft and they said they couldn’t do anything about it, so now he just has a blown up surface book sitting in his house. In my opinion their alcantara type covers or laptop deck covers are frankly ridiculous as they become a consumable item, or just an item u can’t replace.
The surface pro 9 actually has a good reparability (check IfixIt last video, a 7/10 rate) The battery is screwed instead of glued, etc. Hope they continue that way.
This is definitely not a product for the general user. I have these with my Server engineers and we absolutely love them, usbc requires a dongle for management ports but otherwise it's a great production machine.
That little $10 DDR4 8GB stick of ram is Microsofts biggest product profit margin by the MSRP of a Series X and all the currently produced Microsoft Studios games titles for it. Same thing with car companies. Take a $30K car and put a tuned up engine, some mid performance chassis upgrades. Some modern tech gimics with the already integrated hardware, And maybe some different interior materials and accents. And boom. You got those $30K cars rolling off lots for $120K
I do video editing, grafic work, drawing for my work and some gaming over steam. I own the surface laptop 2 i7 with the grafics card since 4 years and I'm still perfectly happy and I can do everything with it. I paid 2000€ and for me it's the perfect all in one.
I had the first generation Microsoft Surface Book for almost 7 years and recently wanted to upgrade my laptop. At first I was leaning towards the Surface Laptop Studio, but ended up buying the Dell XPS 15 which was on sale for $500 less than a similarly spec Laptop Studio. The XPS 15 I bought had a newer processor (11th vs 12th generation Intel), a better screen OLED, and a full size SD card reader for $500 cheaper ($2199 versus $2699). Both of these were on sale because MSRP on both was $2699 for the Dell XPS 15 versus $3099 for the Microsoft Surface Laptop Studio. I just couldn't fathom myself spending more money for less product.
The Surface Laptop Studio CPU is not even in the same league, it's a pretty much a U series CPU buffed to use 35W instead of 15W, so it has the same 4 cores, even Ryzen U series at the time had better multicore performance. It was a very bad CPU when it launched. Very few slim 14" gaming laptops used it and reviewers didn't recommend them across the board.
The Dell XPS 15 you can add a second SSD and upgrade the RAM to anything up to 64gb easily and cheaply too. You just need to decide on the processor and GPU from the start
@@lummatravel Yeah. I'm kind of kicking myself now, and went with the 3050 instead of the 3050 Ti. But it was $150 more and honestly I don't really game on my laptop. I use it for college and photo editing. To be honest my 7 year old 1st Generation Microsoft Surface Book with 8 GB of RAM, a 1GB GPU, and i5 processor, with a 256GB HDD was working fine. But for some unknown reason the laptop screen on the right side started popping out. Kind of like the lithium batteries started expanding after 7 years. 🤷🏻 With the Dell XPS 15 I got the 12th gen i7, RTX 3050 (no Ti), 32GB of RAM, OLED screen, and 2TB HDD on sale with my military discount for $2199. Like I said previously the full size SD card reader is huge for me because I'm always taking and editing photos and videos of my children. Plus the upgrade of processor, better screen, and cheaper price... I just couldn't pass that up.
@@travissmarion I got a refurbished but essentially brand new XPS 15, with 16gb RAM, i7 10th gen, 1tb SSD and 1650ti for £1200. I've since added a second 1tb SSD and upgraded to 32gb ram for just a couple of hundred. I think it should last me a while now
As a Microsoft ecosystem Admin, I will say good luck finding these things on sale; they are slowly becoming the computer that puts last-gen models on sale and keeps the current-gen models at top-shelf price year-round. And when it comes to purchasing Surface products as a company, that's taking advantage of Microsoft sales in the software department. You can put all that back into hardware, and their hardware and software integration is next level and saves sooooo much time. Honestly, the Surface Laptop Go was only added to the stack to remove any budget general staffing competition in the market. 100% agree with you this is like Microsoft and the Hololens. They are targeting the big dollars before the general consumer market.
Hey, I currently own an older version of the Surface Laptop (2020 I think), and it works great. I love it. The build quality is amazing and, in this version, I managed to get 16Gb ram without the 512 SSD upgrade. While I would wish for a version with an integrated GPU and I would like another usb-a port, maybe even an HDMI (even if the laptop is a few millimeters thicker), everything else about it is phenomenal. I do, however have to agree that it is ridiculously overpriced and just not really worth the money. However, if you value build quality and amazing design over hardware and you don't mind an overly exaggerated price tag, wait until if goes on sale and I could recommend it. Microsoft does have to work on their pricing and when that is done, I feel that it could sell some of the best laptops in every aspect in the entire market.
Maxed out surface laptop 3 owner, the device is great physically, however in no way would I pay anything more for the i7 than the i5, they are such low power chips that it barely makes a difference. The 16gb ram is a huge bonus, and I prefer cloud storage most of the time unless it’s large files. Decent productivity machine, but a 10 watt processor is a 10 watt processor, no way around it
Completely agree from India....for anyone out of the US its way worse and not even a consideration....especially after you factor that the keyboard is also sold separately
I seen a Surface laptop at best buy the other day like ~$1000 for a i5-1135g7 8GB RAM 256GB SSD. Meanwhile I got a Gateway laptop while admittedly inferior in build quality being mostly plastic (The lid is metal but not the body??) I got the same CPU with 16GB RAM and 512GB storage with a easy access on the bottom to add a m.2 SDD in addition to internal storage for about half the price. (I actually bought mine refurbished for about 1/3 the cost of that surface machine.)
Speaking of “just waiting”, it has its benefits with Surface products. I recently bought a brand new Surface Pro X SQ2 with 16 GB of RAM and a 512 GB SSD for $599 from Woot. A niche product (but perfect for my intended uses), and with LTE to boot. The clearance price at BB for this model was $1,424.99 at the time I am posting this.
Only reason i would say microsoft is out of their mind is for their reliance on. x86 chips and they are still years behind apple. Apple is leading with ARM based desktop OS.
As the owner of an i3 Surface Pro 7, I can say never buy the base model of any surface device. The i3 SP 7 is notorious for overheating when run while plugged in. And remember the joke that was the base model Surface Go?
The Lenovo that I bought has a bigger screen, i7-12700H, 32GB of DDR5, 1TB SSD, and an Arc A370M. The base price was $1700, $100 less than the Surface with almost half of all of that. It's another $700 to get the same memory and storage, but it still doesn't have any sort of dedicated graphics, and that evo badge probably means you'll only get a 1260P or a 1280P instead of a 12700H. Surfaces have tended to lag behind on the generations of hardware, taking a long while to get to the current gen processors and even then only getting the tail end of them being "current"
I bought my Surface Pro 7 and 8 based on the specs and the actual portability of it all. I agree it's damn expensive but it's a little beast these machines that make travel easier.
Unless you are using your laptop as a Chromebook you should get 16GB of ram. Also if you are using your laptop as a Chromebook just get a nice Chromebook.
The 9 does have TB4. With an I7 processor, you should be able to pair it with a good external GPU and use it for gaming. Massively expensive, but one machine instead of 2 and the portability of the 9 is what you get. It's a niche crowd, but as someone who has 3 devices now, there is an appeal to it.
If they're not going to change the design in years, miss out on more efficient AMD parts with 3+ hours more battery life from /last years model/ let alone the new 5nm hotness with RDNA 2 IGPs, and even refresh pretty late into 12th gen Intel's lifetime, they should at least drop the prices so it's not so close to the M2 Air which demolishes it on every performance and efficiency front.
Guys, I think I am late to the conversation. I think MS knows exactly where they stand in the market. The main issue is that the high price is part aspirational and part not trying to eat out their OEMs like Dell, HP and ASUS to give an example. So you need to take this into consideration.
Microsoft doesn't want to outcompete the OEMs that are paying billions a year for windows licenses. The prices and quality are working to seduce Apple and business customers, who seem to have infinite money to waste.
If they let you open the chassis and had slots available. The $800 upgrades would cost you less than $100 to buy yourself. Not including offsetting the replaced parts value.
This tells you that the "locked" ecosystem they have just like apple, Is making them literally +80% more net profit per SKU sale. (Net profit over the MSRP of the base)
The gaming industry is sending clear singles and outright saying mobile is their only focus. You won't need a gaming pc for the mobile gaming ATM machine structure.
So as an employee at a certain tech retailer you have no idea how many people just come in and want an i7 just to browse facebook and won't listen to anything saying otherwise. So I understand it existing because people just want to have the better processor even though they will NEVER use it
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My brother had to get something for school and he had a surface in his cart at Best Buy. $900 budget so I had him go with a MSI GF65 with a 3060 for I think $799
Now that the Framework laptop exists, I don't see any more reason to buy a Surface device. The FW laptop now only needs a 120Hz and touchscreen option. I bought mine a few months ago. Best decision ever.
The pricing makes sense from both them and Apple, people will get the base model because its sufficient and in a few years apps get bigger and require more processing power and they will sell you a new base model?
I feel like Microsoft has the printer ink model all wrong. Their services are actually pretty fairly priced. But their hardware is so ridiculously expensive that you can't enter the ecosystem anyway.
I didn't buy a Surface Pro for gaming or specs but for its form factor which I use for writing, drawing, and photo editing, all of which I use the Surface Pen, tablet, and kickstand for. Base level was fine for me. But I totally agree with the initial pricing and upgrades being too high.
finally, a review that i can resonate with lol, i've been debating on getting this. I def wanted to do some gaming on it, but on the go. The price is wild.
I never trust Razer laptops. Their own subreddit is full of issues. Some of the most common issues include: battery bloat, overheating, constant blue screen and dead screens.
Prices stayed high because surface is popular in the corporate world, see a lot of company issued surface tablets and laptops. Companies buy these for employees and MS can get away with their pricing. Surface isn't aimed at the average everyday user, enthusiasts will talk about them for sure but normies will get an m1 or m2 macbook air instead.
My Pinebook is metal, and it cost $200. I paid through the nose for my Purism products, but with them your money is also going to a company that contributes a lot of open source code. Microsoft could give Surfaces away and I wouldn't take one.
Have the Surface Laptop Studio released a couple of years ago (I7-11 processor, 32gb ram, 3050ti). Traded my arm for it. Microsoft this year: Lets make the studio a desktop with the the same processor and ram and a 3060gpu; lets charge two arms for it. They put the same components in this years studio as the laptop that was released a couple of years ago; nobody does that. This is where they are out of their got dam minds. They put the I9 processors in the surfaces that don't need it though...makes sense right?
I love my surface pro 6, but the thing that killed me is that it has 8gigs of ram which used to be okay until I got into heavy photo editing and the OS USES 4GB ALONE! So I only end up with 4gb of usable memory and eventually photoshop started crashing so much I went and bought a macbook pro
I was recently looking for a laptop and considering what I like I had a couple of options: Mac air: really good for university, but close to no games run on this and it's at least €1000; Cheap i5 asus/Acer ecc. it's around €500, runs worse than the Mac and it's kinda big and uncomfortable to take with you, but it does most stuff and it's pretty cheap, but again close to no games; Gaming laptop: there are some models around €800, but they might as well be a desktop for how uncomfortable to take around; Ultrabook: you have a ton of options here, but I found a great one: asus vivobook 14 with oled panel, core i5 and Nvidia 1650, it's really small, can run some games and Iits cheaper than a Mac. At that point I even looked up a refurbished model and ended up spending around €700 which is insane value imo.
It's even worse for people who live in smaller countries, because these things will never go on a good enough sale. They're great products, they're very pretty, but they're too expensive for what they bring to the table. Even the Laptop Go 2, I couldn't justify because A. I found only one sale for it and it wasn't low enough B. I still would buy it with a heavy heart because the thing doesn't have a single Thunderbolt plug, which means I can't get an eGPU down the line and squeeze some more value out of it.
Microsoft intentionally set their price to avoid hard competition in the Windows market. They have their own ethic as a key supplier for their key supplier. They put Surface in a space that everybody else has not touched and try to drive some innovation there.
I found this issue with high-end windows laptops in general. They can't just let you pick what you want from pre-set parts. Before I realized I needed a mac for school, I was looking at Windows laptops and wanted specific specs. One of those was 32GB of RAM. I'd find a perfect laptop, the only thing missing being 32GB of RAM, and to get that was $1000 more. Looking at Macs, it was so much easier to pick and choose what you wanted, and I want Windows laptop companies to have a similar building system. Once you get into the $2-3k range, they're probably being made as they're ordered anyway.
Strategy wise, why not make 16GB RAM as the base amount of memory across the entire range? Then pair the i7s and i9s with 32GB. To me that would make more sense to gain market share
13:09 Podium, nah a lectern. A podium is what one stands upon, think about getting medals at the Olympics it is a three-tiered podium. A lectern is an item one stands beside or behind, it can be on the floor or on a podium, upon which the speaker can place their notes, computer, and the like, on. Podium for lectern is an all-too-common mistake; for a college educated person it is an inexcusable error.
Well im still on a surface pro 4 and as long as it does what i need it to do ( presentations ect. for work) im not planing an upgrade i dont feel like i need (i have a battlestation for gaming so...)
As soon as the Surface Pro has a dedicated graphics card, not even a big one but one that will give us basic gaming and quicker video editing, and fully integrated Android Apps options, then I'll throw my money at it like Jessica Alba on a stripper pole.
I wanted to buy SL5 and really hyped myself for it before it was released. But when I saw that chunky bezels + only 8GB ram in the base model I was reeeally disappointed... I don't need 512GB of ssd as I have everything on OneDrive. I don't need i7 processor either. But I really want 16GB of ram because it makes the multitasking so much smoother. Plus Microsoft actually doesn't have every spec for every colour option, at least not here in the UK, so I would have to compromise even in that department... So yeah, instead of spending outrageous £1,500 for 13.5" Alcantara (which I didn't want) with i5/16GB/512GB (which I don't need) Surface Laptop 5, I have found last week an amazing discount offer on Amazon for Surface Laptop Studio and got this 14.4" metal beauty with i5/16GB/256GB for £1,130 !!! And I don't have to mention that SLS has that additional special form factor which I would appreciate as well. So yeah, very happy with my choice :D
The surface devices are mostly productivity devices, with a design that is professional looking. Also good to watch Netflix, but that's what they're really for. Not made for gaming and not advertised as such.
