Microsoft is Forcing me to Buy MacBooks - Windows Modern Standby 

Disclaimer: I'm a Software Engineer at Microsoft, but I do not work on the OS team. I'm only here as a viewer who is subscribed to the channel. I decided to test out your guys hypothesis and I was able to reproduce it! I setup a test where I had a laptop running Windows Powershell listening on a port while connected to power. Every time a client connected, I would print the time at which the connection was made. From another PC, I would send a packet to that laptop and see the message being printed out. I then put the laptop to sleep, and after five seconds I would send another packet to the laptop. I then waited a minute and resumed the laptop from sleep. The following behavior would change depending on whether or not the laptop was connected to power while going to the Sleep S0 state: - If the laptop was connected to power when I hit "Sleep", after resuming from Sleep I would see the powershell window with the messages printed out with the time at which the laptop was asleep - If the laptop was NOT connected to power when I hit "Sleep", after resuming from Sleep I would see the powershell window with NO messages printed out - The above behavior would not change independently of what I did with the power cable DURING sleep - that is, even if I removed the power cable during sleep, then sent new packets, after resuming from sleep (with the power cable still disconnected) I would see the messages printed out, meaning the laptop was S0 Network Connected even on battery. Bug reproduced. Btw, the opposite happens if I connect the laptop to power during S0 sleep (no messages are printed). I will try to contact the OS team with your findings and my test setup :) Thanks guys! This is great investigative journalism! *** For reference, my laptop is a Dell Latitude 7420 running Windows 11 22621.819, default UEFI settings. Powershell code for reference: On the server (laptop): ``` > $Listener = [System.Net.Sockets.TcpListener]52134; > $Listener.Start(); > while($true) > { > $client = $Listener.AcceptTcpClient(); > Write-Host("Connected at " + $(Get-Date)); > $client.Close(); > } ``` On the client (another pc on the same network): ``` > $hostIp = "" > $port="52134" > (new-object Net.Sockets.TcpClient).Connect($hostIp, $port) ```

PLEASE keep the pressure on in short circuit and LTT videos, every single review of a Windows laptop should include a discussion of what sleep states it supports.

I worked out the "unplug before lid close" thing a few years ago after having several near meltdowns, or having the CPU fan crank up full blast in the middle of the night. I figured it was just a simple power manager setting I had screwed up - but based off this video it is a more complex issue. Good work, detectives.

This is just ridiculous and shouldn't even be a problem in this day and age of personal computing. Anyone else feel like Windows is moving backwards??

I've literally just been shutting down for years now. Don't even bother with sleep. This affects major companies too. Our IT department is constantly dealing with laptops that woke up in bags and fried themselves. It's crazy also that the modern sleep ignores temp limits.

I work in IT Support and get constant complaints over this stupid issue. I have over the past few years dug deeply into all of the fixes and registry settings you mentioned and also as you mentioned there is now virtually nothing i can do to help our users. For the people who seem to be constantly having this problem i have already moved them over to hibernate instead which so far they are happy with because at least they don’t open thier laptop back to a device that feels like it’s about to burst into flames with a battery that is nearly empty. This is a major issue with our laptop fleet and i hope this helps to push microsoft to get the issue resolved.

This is still a big problem 10 months later. One of my older machines uses S3 sleep with zero battery issues, the other (Asus Vivobook) uses S0 Connected Standby which rapidly drains the battery. To make matters worse, Hibernate causes huge driver issues upon waking (forcing S3 sleep via new registry trick also causes driver issues upon waking). The only option was to use registry hacks to disable Connected Standby and Hibernate and just use regular, non-connected S0 Modern Standby which still drains the battery at roughly 1% per hour. Better than 5-10% per hour.

This problem is way older than 3 years. The first time I heard of it was on the Microsoft Surface computer, so whenever the first of those was released was when it started.. Paul Thurrott brought it up a lot on the Windows Weekly Podcast.

Congratulations LMG Team, this might be the most important service video you've produced recently! I'm so glad it exists because I just got myself a laptop for the first time in 7-8 years and I'm a Windows user.

This is probably one of the most important videos you guys have ever made. Almost nobody else has the time and resources to dedicate to something like this, THANK YOU for taking the initiative where Microsoft has failed.

I had a Lenovo for work for my last job and that happened so often. I had to fly around the country for that job and would sometimes wonder why the battery was so low or why the laptop was so hot. This makes so much sense now. Happier with my MacBooks.

I forced my Dell Precision 5570 to be in disconnected standby even on AC. It works most of the time, although the battery drains in standby are usually still "red" in powercfg /sleepstudy report. When I say most of the time I mean my last three attempts at standby resulted in a hot laptop hibernating itself after 15 minutes (due to draining 5-8% of battery). Sleep study report indicates that the drain is caused by "CPU C0 Time.Non-attributed Time". And the trail basically ends there, Google doesn't really know much about what "non-attributed time" could in fact be. There might be something in powercfg /requests and /requestoverride worth looking into.

So happy to see you take this up on behalf of consumers. I've spent the last few years frustrated that nobody was making more noise about this. I'm still running an old XPS 13 with an 8th Gen processor for my laptop and this has been the most frustrating thing about it. Every-so-often I tried to fix it and finally a few months ago, after years of trying, I figured out the powercfg and registry hack you described in this video from some deeply buried forum posts on random websites. It's been like night and day since. I can close my laptop at night and the battery is exactly the same when I open it the next morning. It takes maybe 3 seconds to wake up instead of 1. I can't believe we have to suffer this broken functionality for the sake of saving 2 seconds when I open my laptop lid. I'm overdue an upgrade and will 100% check that my next laptop has the capability for S3 in the BIOS before buying it. I'm never going back to an always-on laptop.

The biggest problem with this power drain issue is that a closed hot and possibly enclosed laptop is that the heat and full draw down of the battery severely damages the battery. This could lead to an early battery replacement at best or a laptop fire at worst.

That is by far the best proposed reasoning for the broken standby issue. I generally use a high-end Windows laptop for work (loaded ZBook Fury currently) and for years now I've noticed the "standby but goes dead and overheats in my bag" issue. I actually blamed our IT folks, (assuming they installed some bloatware that breaks standby), switched lid closed to hibernate and went on with my life... albeit with substantially slower wakeup times when I crack the lid on my machine in the morning. The weird bit to me was the fact that sometimes it worked perfectly... and your explanation makes complete sense since in my office and at home I always run these machines on docks (60-90 minute battery runtime even when new means you need to live near a power station)... so they'd have the issue... but if I'd been in a meeting before I left I'd have been on battery and NOT seen the issue. Brilliant catch Linus... I take back all the bad things I've ever said about you.

I didnt realize this was a problem, though personally I have never liked using sleep or hibernate or standby modes due to having faced issues with various pcs not recovering from the mode every now and then, so I always turn off my laptops when not in use. I also use the ltsc versions of windows so that also removes the bloat and updating hassles.

@LTT I work in a large IT environment and used to manage the images for laptops/desktops in the environment. We spent MONTHS working directly with MS and HP fighting with this exact problem on Surface Tablets and HP Tablets. After months they finally acknowledged this as an issue and turns out it was related to wifi/network. It impacted machines worldwide, what a nightmare it was. We eventually gave up on them, but this issue started to crop up on laptops later as they started to support modern standby. There is actually a really good way to see exactly whats killing the battery using powercfg /sleepstudy I feel your pain with this one!

There is also another wonderful effect caused by this bug: on the Surface Pro machine if you close the lid, but left your Surface Pro plugged-in, the Windows decides to stop charging to prolong battery life (to not overcharge it), then it supposedly goes to sleep (because it is not powered anymore), but battery is still draining, because of the problem described in the video, then you open up a lid next morning to find that plugged-in Surface Pro is discharged.

Great video! I thought I’m the only facing this issue with hp fury book. It’s always super hot in my backpack. Now I know the hack. Unplug and then close the lid. I hope Microsoft and Laptop manufacturers comes to their senses on this crappy standby implementation. Thanks Linus and his team on doing this great job on figuring out this lingering universal problem.

I'm a big Windows and Mac user. I daily drive them both but in the last few years I've had the same reason time and time again. It's actually the reason I never use windows laptops; using both Win and Mac for desktop but only MacOS for laptops. Microsoft has a long way to go in terms of laptop based QOL. Hopefully this video serves as a wakeup call.

As a linux user, you actually helped fix a bug I've had since my last firmware update... The firmware update reset the sleep mode to S0 instead of S3 like it was before. Thanks! xD

I've worked in computer repair for a long time and I've had random situations where customers tell me windows bricked itself while it was in a backpack. I've also had a windows laptop for years that was always dead whenever I needed to use it. I thought of everything. Bad proximity sensor not forcing proper sleep, trying to manage windows update scenarios so it updates when I want it to (doesn't work, windows does what it wants), and this explains several years of pain I couldn't figure out.

I had this issue on my Mac all the time. Disabling the network wake feature was the best thing I ever found in the Settings app.

yeah I've been doing your "fix" for 2 years because I often had the battery drain problem, and just figured it was a problem on my laptop, but didn't know it happened on all of them 😂. And I have to say it works for me, I unplug it and wait for like 5 seconds to be sure, then close the lid.

This makes so much sense. I will regularly be charging my laptop during a lecture after forgetting to the night before, closing the lid then unplugging and throwing my laptop in the very small, well insulated laptop pocket. Then, an hour or so later my back is noticablly warm what I am sitting on the train and sure enough, laptop is frigin melting, open it up, close it, and it seems to go away

I work in IT support and over the past few years have wasted so much time trying to figure this out. I always had a hunch it was Windows as I have to unplug, then lock my laptop, then hit sleep 2 or 3 times for it to actually go to sleep and even then it's a gamble if it it'll work as normal or leave you with a hot dead laptop. It happens to me, users I support on HP, Lenovo, Dell, Acer, low end high end, new old hardware etc. When it happens so frequently that people have unconsciously developed routines to sleep their laptop, there's an issue. Thank you so so so so much for this video

This used to happen with my older 8th gen Intel Dell Inspiron and it also happened with my 9th gen Intel and 5th gen AMD gaming laptops. For this reason, I bought a MacBook Air M2 to use daily and kept the gaming laptop at home because it would drive me nuts and left me questioning whether my laptop would be charged in the morning.

I have been trying to work out my dad's problem with his laptop and this is it exactly! He kept asking me why it was sitting with the fans spinning up/down etc while supposedly asleep. He frequently puts it to sleep on AC and unplugs it later while he thinks it's asleep...

The amount of times my laptop has overheated in my backpack is insane

You know what, can't lie, when the video started my initial reaction was "it can't be THAT bad". Then I remembered, I very rarely just close my laptop (let it sleep) anymore. Literally changed my power button to Hibernate so that I don't call into the issue of my computer not properly sleeping or going into hibernate when I close it!

I noticed a while back that if I leave Microsoft Outlook or Teams running and turn off the network before sleeping that the network will be back on when I resume my MacBook Pro. My routine is to shutdown Outlook and Teams, then turn off Network, then Sleep the laptop.

This is why removable batteries are missed. Modern OSes (Windows, Linux, macOS) boot in roughly 10 seconds nowadays. You could just remove the battery so the whole thing is turned off and then plug the battery in and boot. What would take more time - waiting 10-15 seconds for your machine to boot and reload open things from storage swap file, or realizing your laptop died anyway and now you have to plug it in and charge it

This is the most important video you've ever made. This has been plaguing me for many years now. I hope you can actually get them to fix this issue.

This video and the USB 4 one from 3 days ago are the excellent kind of journalism I've come to expect from LTT. I wish them great success with Labs!

I have gone through 5 Dells in the past year because of this issue(5560/5570). They have been overheating in laptop bags and going into thermal shutdowns. Fire hazard hot, could easily heat frozen burritos in my laptop bag. ~140-160 degrees, too hot to handle when removing. My latest laptop just had a battery replaced under warranty because it is at 60% capacity after 4 months of battery drain behavior while sleeping. A co-worker's new HP had a battery bloat and pop the laptop case when he took it out of his bag for a meeting, it was cooking in its sleep. I asked Dell who to contact after my house burns down. They replied with nervous laughter...

I had this problem too with a Lenovo laptop. Unchecking all the „Allow this device to wake the computer“ for the network related devices worked for me.

Wow! This explains so much. I own a 10 year old MacBook and I almost never shut it down. I would just close it, go to my new destination, and then open it up and begin working where I left off. When the pandemic hit, we were issued Dell Windows laptops for work. I would do the same thing whenever I moved to work in a different location only to find my work laptop burning up my backpack and the fans going full blast. It is now standard practice for me to shut down my work laptop every time I move it to a different location to avoid starting a fire. Great video!

Chiming in as someone who used to work on Modern Standby implementation & compliance, it was a huge pain in the butt for everyone involved (including intel) and it seems it only got worse now. Hopefully with LTT shining some light on this, it can finally get resolved one way or another. I really miss proper sleep mode on my laptop.

I ran powercfg /a in my command prompt on my brand new Windows 11 laptop and it says that it is in S0 power state but WITH NETWORK CONNECTED even though it is NOT PLUGGED IN.

I have an i9 Macbook Pro and it has done this to me several times. I notice that it gets super hot all the time when the Onedrive sync client is running, constantly "Looking for changes" and eating up CPU. I have the network standby set to "Only on Power Adapter" and it still happens from time to time.

The unplug power before closing the lid has been my solution for years. Seemed to me to be the only thing different between a dead battery or a usable laptop.

There's a somewhat decent way of testing this. Get all of your laptops with Windows, wait until patch Tuesday, then test half unplugged and slept and half plugged in then slept and unplugged. It's a nearly guaranteed way of ensuring an update will happen and if you coordinate a ton of test laptops, you get a good sample set too.

One of the greatest videos that I have seen from LTT. Congratulations guys that was a great favor for our community. Keep that great work going.

I have experienced similar experiences. I used a laptop to run a slicer for my ender 3 while waiting to get octopi working, and it had modern standby and it overheated and was dead even though it was plugged in

I am so glad that my Thinkpad X1 Carbon has a toggle in the bios to disable modern standby. Just putting Sleep State to »Linux« just fixes everything and it is just great 😊

I actually had to set my laptop to go into 'hibernate' instead of sleep because I noticed it would keep waking and the fans would spin up while the lid was closed. I mostly did it because it was ANNOYING AS HELL while I was trying to sleep. Literally figured it was some annoying chip malfunctioning in the device rather than the OS. This answers a lot of questions.

Great video! I've almost been crazy for the sleep battery drain for the past several years. This video totally tells me why and how the issue is happening, thank you so much.

I had a similar thing happen to a work laptop a while back for one occurrence. Haven’t had this happen to any of my older laptop machines like my thinkpad T440p.

Thank you for talking about this. So frustrating. I have a gaming laptop and the amount of times I close the lid for it to just straight up not sleep, or to wake itself after I put it to sleep is absolutely infuriating.

I always hated the part of windows that told it to wake up to update. Had a few instances where the battery was empty, but I found it more annoying when it was plugged in, because it'd usually be in my bedroom when I was trying to sleep, and my laptop is kinda loud (by nature, it's not dirty), and it would jolt me up. Battery draining issue stopped being a problem once the battery died though.

I found this out on my Dell when I checked the bandwidth usage of my home network. The secondary PC laptop was using as much bandwidth as my primary Mac laptop, even though I only use the PC every other week.

I had a dell xps 15 that would do this constantly. Some of it was down to windows constantly keeping the machine on for updates but most of the issue was a bad driver fingerprint reader driver that was keeping the machine awake constantly looking for a fingerprint.

I take it Vessi decided LTT saying "water resistant" in the sponsor spots was no longer acceptable. It shocked me a little to hear Jake say "Vessi says their shoes are 100% water proof."

I’ve been a Mac user for 10+ years and got my first windows laptop starting a new job last year. Having just closed my laptop for years so assumed I’d try and do the same. Was so confused about how hot it gets in my bag and the awful battery. Thanks for speaking about it

Thanks for the video. I have been fighting this one off and on for a few years now and this helps shed light on the problem. Hopefully now I have a workaround or two that will work going forward.

THANK YOU for talking about this. Windows sleep is absolutely broken. Also switched to a mac and have no battery anxiety.

Genuinely extremely impressive work here. It's unacceptable that a bug like this has not been discovered internally by Microsoft or, worse, was just neglected upon discovery.

I work in IT and this finally articulates what I haven't been able to truly figure out. We support a company of a few hundred users and we've had many complaints about hot laptops in bags and poor battery life. I've been unplugging my laptop and waiting a few seconds before closing it for a couple of years now and can confirm I almost never have this issue. We have a user that disabled automatic sleep in favor of hibernate, and that works for him. I can't prove it, but I feel certain that some of the premature ssd and motherboard failures we see left and right on our Dell laptops is due to how hot they get when they turn on in someone's backpack. This problem is so stupid and ridiculous that it's even gone on this long. Big thanks to LTT for bringing this to light. Hopefully Microsoft gets their heads out of their asses and finally ends this nightmare.

the solution is easy. make all actions while in sleep mode slow. cpu cores used: 1-4. max core speed at maybe a quarter, 1600 mhz should be sufficient and require much less power per processorcycle. i dont know if you can make ram and ring slower on the fly, but it should be considered as well. if the machine should behave like a phone when off, then it also should be reduced to the power consumption of a phone. and then restrict what actions are ok for hibernate implementation, and design a signal that can put the laptop out from deeper hibernate, or into deeper hibernate, so it doesnt use much power, when u can turn of 3 of 4 cores with the bigger battery a laptop should be able to be in sleep for a week or 2 before running low

Yep! And it also slows down to force the restart when you are in the middle of the workload. Not mention sometimes when you “shutdown” the device, and it restarts…

LTT once again leaving a positive mark on the tech industry and very much proving why they're top dog on RU-vid

I am enamored with the investigative reporting you've been doing lately. I find it informative and very useful. It also a great way to show and call out either the laziness and/or incompetence of these companies. Thanks for your hard work.

I happened to glance at some of the advertisement below the video description. Holy shit, who has money lying around to pay $70 for a screwdriver?! I doubt they're good enough to justify the price, based on the videos I've seen of Linus using them. Honestly, it seems like personal preference. For example, do you realize how many Stanley high-quality low-cost 4-way screwdrivers I can get for that price? I've used the same basic model from Stanley for nearly 20 years as a computer and network technician, and I like it because it's simple, and it works. There are so many other tools I would spend money on before a screwdriver if I could afford it.

I found this order of operations fix (first disconnect, then close the lid) myself, but I had not found the cause. I just thought it didnt go to sleep at all if I did it the other way around (and that is hard to check with the lid closed)

I’m glad this has finally got its own video! This issue has been the biggest bane of my life at work as an IT Admin, and has also caused high early failure rates of batteries on top of the battery life frustrations and burning etc. Funnily enough, I had come to the same conclusion for a temporary resolution as you have, with removing power before sleep. Hope Microsoft see this and finally get it sorted.

Yeah, noticed that unplugging your laptop before sleeping was a lot more reliable. Basically we made recommendation to our users, but it is still ridiculous folks have to go through that. Thankfully most corporate workstations (Dell, HP, Lenovo) do support S3, but we have been fighting over general issue with our MS support for years! Thank you for bringing this up for better visibility. Whole thing is insane and inexcusable that its still going on.

I think this may be the reason I developed the habit of shutting my laptop off before closing the lid. It may take a few seconds longer to boot up the next morning, but the battery lasted through the next day.

I'm always careful about which way up I put my Surface Pro in my bag so as to keep the power button on top. Orherwise it can switch on. Similarly the camera on the previous fen can't handle coming out of standby...

I'm very glad to hear that the Framework supports S3. They've consistently proven to put work into small features that matter to the consumer but don't show up on the spec sheet, and this is no exception.

This is perhaps the best tech video I've watched in years and nails down a user experience I thought I was alone in. My Dell XPS 13 has been doing this for at least a few years now. It came time to replace it a week or so ago and I went with the Macbook Air M2 (24 GB / 1 TB). I can tell you that my decision took this super annoying battery drain into account and moving to the Mac laptop was a no-brainer. Linus (and team)... amazing work finding this bug and great job explaining it all. To Microsoft... Do you actually test Windows on devices your customers use or just blindly push it out and never truly understand the experience?

would LOVE for you guys to do an update on this.

I just bought Asus Vivobook S15 OLED laptop recently. I noticed that my battery is auto draining while in shut down state. I charged the laptop to 79% and then i shut down it but when i opened it next day the battery was 67%😢. Why is that, please help

As a sysadmin… THANK YOU for covering this. I and many of the users I support have experienced this exact issue. The reproducible steps and “workaround” are insanely helpful. I will let the rest of the team know tomorrow.

I switched on hibernate on my work laptop for this exact issue but never knew what was causing it until now!

I recently changed the advanced power settings to disable “allow wake timers” and so far that’s helped… No clue if that’s just a coincidence or if it actually solved the problem though

I just never use standby and always shut off my laptop thanks to this! Thanks foe shedding light onto the issue!

Windows has a built in tool called SleepStudy that breaks down exactly what was using modern standby recently. You might want to check it out. Running this immediately after a hot-bag incident should tell you exactly which program(s) caused it. Also lovely that they say: > Switching between S3 and Modern Standby cannot be done by changing a setting in the BIOS. *Switching the power model is not supported in Windows without a complete OS re-install.*

I have experienced it too although I found my own solution of enabling hybrid sleep but I also agree with what you saying.

I'm sad to report it is still a problem. Happens to my nitro 5 occasionally.

This happened to me 2 days ago. I shut my laptop with it plugged in knowing that I wouldn’t be taking my charger to work the next day. It sat plugged in all day until I had to leave for work. I threw it in my bag and at the end of my shift I went to turn it on and nothing happened. When I got home I plugged it in and wouldn’t you know, windows update was in the middle of updating. You guys are definitely right about what happens.

I actually arrived at that same conclusion. It was always a problem when I was working on a charger and had to go somewhere quickly, so I closed the lid, disconnected the charger and left. Battery Drain would often occur after that. So what I started doing was always unplugging first and then letting the laptop rest for like a minute before closing it. It's a hassle but that's somehow just what you do.

This is great. I didn‘t know this hibernate vs sleep was even a thing but my laptop had issues with going to sleep for YEARS. I don‘t think its exactly the same issue as my hardware is older than what you guys mentioned in the video and my computer does not support s0 sleep. Nonetheless, windows sleep is just a pain but at least for me, I think the hibernate option should fix my issue

The thing I hated windows 7 through 9 the most is the crackling you hear in the speakers when doing tasks on the computer like opening a new website. I tired everything to fix it. Three news computers and new set of speakers and still the crackle. Switched to MacBook last year and the sound is so awesome and the loudest laptop speakers I ever heard. My friends said the laptop sounds like a high quality tv.

The other common cause I've seen for this is people using a wireless mouse with USB dongle. Depending on brand, any movement of the mouse can cause the dongle to wake the laptop. So you have to remember to turn off the mouse before you close the lid of the laptop. If you just close the laptop, toss it and your mouse into a bag, and put that in the trunk of your car, the jostling of the mouse as you're driving your car keeps the laptop awake and draining battery.

Update here: Apple has set "Only on power adapter" to default in newer updates. Running MacOS Ventura 13.1 Can't speak to all of Linux, but Fedora 37 does not seem to have this issue. This was lots of troubleshooting. Good on y'all.

Coming back to this video, is it fixed already?

This happened to me last night it was indeed the charging scenario

This is that very moment when you're glad you're from that jurassic era where users just would not close the lid without turning it off. We and my dino-friends were used to turn off the whole equipment instead, not even bothering the sutdown and startup times. lol By the way: congrats for helping out so many people by digging so deep into this issue. Hope they just clean up the mess...

I'm so happy that there is finally someone with a voice standing up to all these companies.

i usually change close laptop to do nothing so it doesn't get interrupted or stay on or something. and i use the button for standby so push the button and then close. does that work?

My Asus Strix G18 has this "Modern Standby assist" feature that will turn the laptop off if it detects itself unplugged, closed, but windows is still doing random crap in the background draining battery.

It’s crazy this video just came out, I went through all these same troubleshooting steps when I had this issue a month ago and came to the same conclusion about unplugging the laptop. The part that I wish was discussed more in this video is how the overheating issues can become so severe that the laptop shuts down in an error state, meaning it could have damaged the components. This happened to me for a week straight, so I’m hoping a fix can be made.

What a well done video. This is the type of stuff I expect from LTT. Here you guys were not afraid to bare your teeth and make a stand. Not only that, you did a techincal dive for an issue and were not afraid to do things that were a bit harder. This is leveraging your amazing staff linus and this video was awesome.

I swap my sleep to hyphenation

They should implement a sleep wake function that works as well as the steam deck’s, it’s really impressive

This kept happening a lot with my Dell XPS 15. I couldn’t believe it! It’s kinda scary how hot it got in my bag. I gave up on it and moved to a M1 Pro MacBook.

The hibernate feature works on most devices I tried it out on yet just fine and fast enough. I mean, you can wait 5-10 seconds while letting the system boot up, it doesn‘t kill you. You can also activate it without closing the lid or pressing the power button through the windows menu, you just have to manually activate the button for it. Still no reason to switch to a Mac, in my opinion.

​ @Naermarth I have a Surface laptop studio and after I remove the plug, it is still connected to the internet so is the BIOS or the just my laptop or setting change as the laptop?

I just checked a 2022 LG Gram 16 that I bought earlier this week, and can confirm that it does feature S3 sleep and the registry edit works fine with no fiddling with BIOS settings required, so you could add LG to this list of OEMs that enable S3, at least on some models. Thanks for the legit tech tip! ED: A few days after toggling this I noticed that upon waking from sleep, the machine immediately turns off (too quick for it to have been a clean shutdown) and then turns on again. If you have the Phoenix BIOS, S0 can be explicitly turned off under Advanced settings (Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F7, Advanced>Intel Advanced Menu>ACPU Settings>Low-Power S0 Idle Capability>select ‘Disabled’), however, this behavior persists regardless. (Interestingly, whether S3 is enabled or S0 is enabled appears to be two separate settings that aren’t linked to each other.) I don’t know if this is a problem with my machine, with Windows 11, or with all current-gen Gram 16s, or if there is some other BIOS setting that I’ve overlooked (there are an incredibly amount of options exposed, more than I’ve ever seen in a laptop, and they are neither well-documented nor obvious) but in the meantime, I have reverted back to S0 and am using the workaround suggested here. Thanks again, and apologies-I didn’t mean to spread disinformation here. Let’s hope that now that the issue has been isolated, a patch can be released...

9:02 Actually, I use a Macbook (16 M1 Max) and kept running into a similar problem with the standby, and realized it went away if I unplugged it, waited, then shut the lid. I've been doing that for basically a year now, and it seems to work so I can anecdotally confirm that this works. My theory at the time was very similar to this!