Nobody's talking about the workplace.. there will be companies enforcing this, gathering that data and asking copilot to rank employees to determine whos fired. Mark my words
Damm. I haven't considered that. I was for now thinking it the other way around, that companies would fear having their meetings and sensitive info recorded, thus they would block this gimmick I was wrong, they'll love it.
Absolutely incoming. For 100% sure. I won't turn it on. Though I am not using Windows already. Also where I work, I can pick my hardware. I'll pick a laptop, that's Linux enabled.
@alec1575 The growth is the Steam Deck. None of the desktop distros have grown on Steam. They've regressed as Pop!_OS and Ubuntu Core were deducted from the "other" section. On Statcounter, Linux peaked at around 4.1% but now it's at 3.77%. People try Linux and realize it's not what they were expecting and go back to Windows. Unfortunately, the minority of Linux users are just extremely loud, and the data shows this.
@@winj3r We've been trying to tell politicians that 1984 was not an instruction manual. They don't seem to care. What makes you think Microsoft would care? :P
The question is whether the missing hidden background search and risk-reporting for law-enforcement will come in the flavor of "protect the children" or "fight the baddies"
@@um8078windows 10 constantly reinstalled candy crush, edge and onedrive gargage through forced updates, it definently wasnt as acceptable as windows 7
@@PhilipMarcYT Of course they will, if they need to pay fines in the billions. Afaik these screenshot are saved locally, so I do not know if it would break any laws.
Every time I see someone crying about MS "spying" they're an iPhone or Android user who have no problems with Apple and Google recording every word they say, face scanning every photo they take, and scanning every document on their phone to upload to iCloud and GoogleDrive. Hypocritical idits pretending to care about privacy, when in reality they're just fanboys hating on their chosen enemy corporation while taking it up the *** from their favored corporation. 1984 already happened 10 years ago on iOS and android. Out of every "person" I've talked to that's flipping out about this ALL of them have been iOS and Android users, zero exceptions. Clown world. Apple and Google haven't been completely banned from the EU, so this sadly wont either.
Speaking of creating memory impleantation. What you can do when you own the data this would be some good material to base a SiFi crime story on it. Tech giant that puts independend developers into prison to remove threads and things..
@@ismaelvc3728 on intel cpu its called Intel Mangement Engine (Intel ME), an own operating system inside the chip, that sort of runs before anything else and can send packages through the network adapter amd has psp, which as of now is not known to have internet access but is also closed source and compareable to what intel does arm cpu's have TrustZone even when 2 of these have not internet access they have memory access while being proprietary
Installing a keylogger in 2010. You're going to jail for it. Installing a keylogger in 2024: It's the biggest feature we got this year in Windows 11. What is wrong with society?
The ruling class hasn't been taken to task in many generations. It's so far gone now that even 20 years ago the government lied the nation into war, then admitted it was based on lies, and the guy whose agency supplied the lies was given a medal. No uprisings, nobody went to jail. Corporations enriched themselves on the war. I fear its too late now and we're going into some neomedieval era, but with the potential that it goes on for longer than just a few hundred years this time.
Imagine going to someone's PC with Recall and searching "financial documents", and having a bunch of important files and spreadsheets pop up like its some Hollywood hacker movie scene. 😅
I loved Microsoft’s assertion that “its OK because its all stored locally”. Windows being known for amazing local security of course. I give it 2 months at most before the first screenshot blackmail attacks start. Nightmare fuel.
On the other hand, like someone couldn't have recorded your pc (or you physically) if you were going to be targeted by this. I don't support this, but so much narrowmindess from people saying the same bs.
@@raizan5946 I have not used MS Windows on my computers on work nor home at least for 15-20 years now. Good luck for Copilot to make this screen shots on my machine.
One thing is storing it locally, another thing is what they send to their servers ABOUT those screenshots lol. It means jack shit for your privacy that the screenshots themselves are only stored locally.
@@raizan5946recording screenshots over a long period of time and just grabbing already stored data from your PC are very different things. The second one is much easier to implement.
@@MrProg-ey3tl what?? That's nuts... my hardware is not good enough for w11 I can't believe they are forcing me to linux with my gtx1650, it's not that bad of a card
Now retired IT pro of over 40 years here and I'm already making sure everything I need can be done on Linux in preparation for a switch. This is a nail in the Micro$oft coffin for me.
Only 30 years here ... but I started purging Microsoft devices from my house 2 years before I retired. I have one Windows PC that I use to play with the Unreal Engine ... I think it's gotta go to Linux.
@@donaldallen2459 of course gaming... but IT people should realise that piracy is good, and russian tools are still here, i've justed removed every microsoft crap, and I don't care about crap like switching to linux, cuz WSL2 have everything I need, plus gaming, plus mods for pirated games.
I started phasing out all Microsoft products a few years ago. Libra Office opens all Microsoft Office documents for editing and saves them it whatever format you want.
@@ChrisWijtmans I have been using Ventoy for a long time and it is the best way for me to install systems, unfortunately sometimes there is a problem with some distro (updating Vetoy usually helps, but not every time)
Considering Microsoft worked with the NSA on PRISM, I cannot be convinced that RECALL data wouldn't be part of this. We can be worried about hackers accessing RECALL data - what if Microsoft voluntarily hands the government your RECALL data? "I'm sorry, sir. Your browsing history reveals you're visiting sites we don't agree with. Please come with us."
Many people already allow crappy third-party tools access their bank accouts to get some nice charts and what not. And surprisingly banks turn a blind eye on it even though it is breach of contract.
@@GladeSwopeAnd they will find out that, yes - Manager Dave was really just a humat automaton lacking a soul, whi was only living to torture others in the workspace.
That's one of the main ways how they will force it down our throats, via the cubicle, where you do not have a choice whether to use it or not, so you'll get accustomed to it.
No, it's not. And you know it. Every video, the same people keep saying "Oh well, now i'm gonna switch to linux!", just so a few videos later, they can say it again.
@@lunaticwastaken To be fair, Windows used to be annoying (telemetry and all that). An annoyance can easily be tolerated out of laziness. This, however, is straight-up dangerous...
@@lunaticwastakenbeen using Linux for probably around 7 or 8 years or so now, I dual boot into windows to play games, or occasionally RU-vid if im already booted into windows. But that’s about it. Linux is better in many ways. Just gotta jump through some hoops to get everything the way you want.
What worries me is the Microsoft relationship with LINUX. How are they eventually going to use the money they've spread around in LINUX to introduce spyware here too?
I highly doubt that the added load of periodic screenshots is a sufficient added load for a modern SSD. A jpeg screenshot of my desktop is about 600kb, if it takes screenshots every minute it's just 869mb, that's 317gb per year. Not really significant. And I assumed 90% quality setting on my jpeg, it can be compressed much more without significant loss of quality The whole idea is criminal though.
They will be ecstatic when Windows introduces login bypasses for LEO. Think, like post-raid and they have all the suspects locked devices all bagged up in the precinct. Probably, and hopefully that will never happen lol. Until then, they will have to catch their suspects with their computers/devices unlocked. If it's not, then they have to jump through all sorts of legal hoops to tap in. in a post 9/11 world, can we really do much when it's the government agencies (domestic and foreign) that can potentially overstep with this? I'd be more concerned with them, rather than some LEOs, tbqh.
@@dansanger5340 If I hadn't already switched by the point in time I am at now, hearing about windows implementing a feature that screenshots everything you do would convince me to leave the OS even for an inferior UX, which I actually think I have a better UX than I had with windows now, that being said it would also make me want to stay on an open source OS generally since that has less of a chance that even if a similar feature were implemented would be hard to keep people from either taking it out or from the feature being able to send data back to somewhere I don't consent to.
Well to escape would perhaps mean going to Linux. I'm in that boat right now. Lots to like about Linux, but that learning curve...whoa! This latest MICROSOFT INTRUSION, I think, is the BIG push most of us on the Linux fence need to finally make the jump. I'm seriously considering it.
That was my first thought, the corporate IT overlords will be all over this. If Apple doesn't compete with that, and quick, I can see Apple-based corporate environments switching back to M$ hardware for at least certain positions in order to exploit this.
@@Bertminator well, most of the time, you don't get to choose which OS you use for your workstation, your company just buy the enterprise package along with features like this to manage your work your feelings doesn't matter and your choice doesn't mean anything to them
So what's to stop: 1. This from screenshotting highly sensitive information like my bank account, credit cards, passwords, social security, health info, etc which can then easily be breached and stolen? 2. This being used to harvest massive amounts of data on top of the already massive amounts of data Microsoft already harvests about me in order to be sold to the highest bidder? I already have gotten ads for funeral services and coffins after merely mentioning a death in the family in front of my phone, and this is even more invasive than accidentally forgetting to put my phone in a different room while talking to someone about a sensitive topic like illness or death.
You're not the consumer, you are the product. Remember it stores the info on your PC, but the only way I can see it work is for it to access a larger language model, ChatGPT or whatever MS decides to use.
It started as a business selling software that is useful to users, to users. It has morphed into a business that sells information about users to third parties. Like FB and Google have done from the start. The one rule about Microsoft is they are late to the party and then do it "better" than the competition. So think everything that's worrying about those other two but more dystopian.
This is completely illegal in a school or hospital setting. in fact it's also illegal for any 13 year old child to use a computer like this, because they cannot consent to Microsoft taking their data.
The scary thing about this isn't Microsoft doing it, it's that the majority of the user base will be completely unaware of it or ignore it. Microsoft couldn't care less about the 1% who will strip this out or switch to Linux/Mac.
The World Economic Forum is always telling us that we won't have privacy in the future..... Things like this make a lot more of their "predictions" a lot more scary.....
Shouldn't be too difficult to add. you can disable it with GPOs already no trickery. It is why i got a domain controller running at home so it is easy to centrally disable all this crap.
When I tried gaming on Linux I was so pleasantly surprised - games run smoother, use less resources and GPU temps are lower. I'm on Zorin now and never looked back.
Windows 8 came out, and I threatened to switch to Linux...I didn't. Windows 10 came out, I threatened to switch to Linux...I didn't. This bullshit is coming and I promise I'm switching to Linux this time.
yah bro, do what this guy above me said. Buy a nice SSD, install a newbie friendly distro on it and give it a try. It's gonna be a bumpy road ahead with the AI bullshit. I also bought a 2tb SSD just for linux last week. Thank god I did, because of this horseshit.
It seems insane to me that Microsoft managed to turn probably the most important change in the laptop world in a decade from an advantage into a gun that they shot themselves in the foot with.
Microsoft: "At Microsoft, we value, protect, and defend privacy. We believe in transparency, so that people and organizations can control their data and have meaningful choices in how it is used. We empower and defend the privacy choices of every person who uses our products and services." Also Microsoft: "We're going to record every single thing you do on your computer, make it searchable, and then not secure it."
Windows 10 will be the last windows I use on my personal devices. I only stayed because of gaming, but steam proton is good enough where I think I'm just done with it all.
What you don't understand is that Windows 11 is already the end. With Windows 10 we managed to make it "somewhat" more privacy friendly but we all have to run on Linux. All of us. And we need to open up and get people together to make an open source program for Adobe-level video and photo editing. Doing that plus more compatibility in video games and drivers, Windows will DEFINITELY disappear!
They were already heading that way with Kinect on Xbox. Using it to determine how many people were in a room for a pay per view event. If they were willing to do that, there's no way they can be trusted with a webcam and AI onboard.
Just wait until the Recall Cloud service is announced! Where it can offer to remember everything we do on ALL of our devices, to, ya know, be convenient! 😅 ... I'd call that service "TOTAL RECALL".
I'm an avid gamer, thus I bought a pretty beefy gaming PC.I've never been a fan of Spydows & few days after reading about this 'Recall feature' I've created partitions for Linux and Windows dual-booting.The ONLY thing that kept me 'tied down' to MS is their wide range support of pretty much any game. Now Mr. Gates Keeper can stare at thousands of pics of me playing thousands of hrs of video-games.For EVERYTHING else I'll be using Linux.This will be a 'recall' alright - of Windows OS.
with steam in it's current state gaming isn't even a reason to stick with windows anymore, it just works try Zorin OS, best linux distro for windows refugees imho
it starts on "the edge" then terms and conditions are updated to make it system wide, then terms and conditions are updated to make you autoamtically sync with microsoft with option to opt out hidden behind lots or menus.
Alright, I seriously wasn't expecting Windows 11 to become SPYWARE. Like I know Windows 10 also collects data, but not like SCREENSHOTS OF YOUR SCREEN. I seriously can't wait to see Windows collapse.
The UK governments ICO (Information commissioner’s office) is already investigating this as they have serious privacy and security concerns…. they have called it a "Privacy Nightmare" If the UK government are concerned no doubt the EU will also be looking into this, Microsoft has already had several run-ins with the EU and is currently in there spotlight again, the EU’s DSA has asked for information regarding its AI and so far, they haven’t responded, if they don’t respond before the 27th May they could be fined upto 6% of global annual revenue. Due to EU’s DMA compliance rules EU windows users can now uninstall Edge, OneDrive, disable feeds and remove Bing from windows search…. These options should all be available to everyone, however the EU has had to force (legislate) Microsoft to make the changes. I can see many lawsuits ahead!! Currently Copilot isn’t available in the EU as it doesn’t conform with the EU’s data privacy laws.
The only thing that the government is looking into is how to ensure they get access to all the data. All the privacy laws (e.g. GDPR) have explicit exemptions for government spying on you.
I recently installed software and was actually reading every sentence of the EULA. There were three objectionable paragraphs but the one that pushed me over the edge was the requirement to put up with the hallucinating AI. It actually stated in writing the words hallucinating AI. So, yeah ... that was a big no. Uninstalled immediately. This point about total recall combined with the hallucinating AI is a valid issue. Yeah. Was going to make some movie references but there is no need. We all know how this will end. Anyone else get the feeling they know exactly what they are doing ... ?
Leave it to TheVerge to copy paste whatever Microsoft sent over and call it an article. More TheVerge memes inbound. As far as Recall is concerned, it's what is referred to as a solution in search of a problem. They built out a new data collection system, then sent it over to marketing to invent a consumer spin on it.
Windows users are the frog being slowly boiled. MS keeps improving and adding more creepy surveillance and telemetry. Increased with Windows 10 (and backported many of those features to Windows 7 and 8.1) and has constantly added more and more. I almost see this as an onerous adjunct to client-side scanning to subvert end-to-end encryption; i.e. let's just record all conversations and web browsing prior to encryption and store locally "just in case." This will absolutely be a juicy target for malware, exploits, hackers, and abusive nation-states!
- Recall... Please, show me the translation of the last meeting. *** COMPUTING *** - Yes, YES... HARDER... HARDER!!! - Recall... that was a video, not a meeting
That’s a function of how file deletion works. Files aren’t actually deleted. They’re just no longer indexed, and that space is still occupied by that file until another file overwrites it. So if you haven’t overwritten those files, apparently the new OS will re-index them and make them come back. Having said that, I’m 100% sick of Apple’s anti-competitive shenanigans and their malicious compliance. And I’m sure they’re lying about something…that’s par for the course will all large corporations today. I’ll never use Windows again if I can help it, but I can’t 100% leave Mac OS either because Logic is just too good, and music production on Linux is positively terrible.
@@thesullivanstreetproject do you really believe that the photo was simply unindexed locally, even after a phone reset, and having been deleted ages ago? surely it wasn't stored somewhere at Apple servers purposefully and just accidentally leaked
@@thesullivanstreetproject They are definitely lying about something. I saw some reports that some of them were coming back from iCloud. You'd think that they'd have a more thorough overwriting process for that.
@@GladeSwope You think bank CEOs know computers? All they care about is profit margin. And if all their employees know windows, no way are they going to put out money to train them on Linux. And put out the money to get custom Linux systems.
This is going to be the default setting on every single workplace related Windows machine - and for security purposes, everything is (also) stored somewhere in the realm of corporate IT.
Pretty sure my workplace has been using a proprietary software that does something similar for years now..alarming when I discovered it, but I don't do anything crazy on my work laptop at least.
so people cant use it to record movies off of say, amazon, then have them semi-permanently without needing to pay or go on the site to watch it. "you can do that with other screen-capture software" yes but microsoft WILL get spanked by media giants, just like youtube did if people start using it to record copyrighted stuff and distribute it. not saying its not a massive red flag, it is. but this also has a double sided reason for it to be implemented.
@@fevad1246 I used OnlyOffice throughout College and even wrote a thesis in it and got 93% on it. They didn't care. Adobe stuff might hurt but there are alternatives like Davinci Resolve for video editing, Krita and Photopea for image editing/creation, REAPER for DAW work, OnlyOffice and Libreoffice for Office apps. Steam, Heroic Games Laucnher, Lutris for GOG, Epic and Windows installer games. OBS Studio for live streaming and there is a lot more. 90% of people are pretty much covered now. MS is just handing us 4-5% more marketshare that will STICK this time. Once, Adobe is on board we are pretty well set to grow.
Chris, I may not have been able to predict the exact way Microsoft would do it, but I'll tell you for sure, 10 years ago I would have told you they were up to no good and it was only going to get worse from there....and here we are. This is the single biggest reason I switched to Linux.
Chris this isn't related to your video but I debloat windows from 59 > 55 processes and my ram usage from 1.7gb > 1.6gb Your debloating script is a good starting point for those who want debloat their pc
This might cause problems in countries and organisations that have document retention laws. Imagine a government worker using this system and working through hundreds of peoples documents and details. To be used in a professional context it will need to have a very clear and easy switch to turn it off. Even then there is a possibility that someone could leave it on by accident. They really have not thought this through ! It reminds me of the 'Longhorn' days (over 20 years ago) - they had a ridiculous demo video of a system automatically passing on a doctor's diagnosis, then authorising surgery, then informing an insurance company, then debiting someone's account - all without human intervention (needless to say none of it saw the light of day !)
I wonder if they'll have this in all home and personal versions, and separately have non-ai versions marketed to government and corporations. I mean, the military uses Microsoft, and I *highly* doubt they're sending classified material to Microsoft via telemetry.
Wouldn't surprise me if Recall can only be "disabled" by disabling local screenshot storage and instead move it to their cloud and the option to view recall be hidden until the user "re-enables" it and suddenly all the history is still there.
Last year I started looking into Linux, and thought ... no, too confusing, too much fiddling. Today I am looking at every single thing I can find on Linux distros and prepping to switch no matter how tricky, confusing, or fiddly (is that a word?) Linux Mint for starters. I am even willing to dump a couple of major CGI apps I use to escape Microsoft forever.
From a consumer privacy stand point this is a really bad thing!!! This will force either stripped down windows machines or a lot of people going away from windows... Who the hell want's skynet being able to screenshot their PC activity?
Ed Bott: it's the users' fault. They just don't understand Microsoft's innovation and greatness. Mary Jo Foley: it's the users' fault. They just don't understand Microsoft's innovation and greatness. Paul Thurrott: it's the users' fault. They just don't understand Microsoft's innovation and greatness.
@@lawnjelly That wouldn't stop it. Most companies have documentation you sign about equipment usage where they disclose everything on the machine is company property and is monitored. I got news for you most companies you work for already can micromanage and know every site an employee goes ot.
they said "windows 10 will be the last windows" no more windows 11, 12... I'm sure copilot will work pretty much localy, at the begining. I'm also sure later it will be "helped by a sever"
The'll call it Assured Copilot. Ooops I mean Azure Copilot and it will tie into MS Sentinel with a fun analytics dashboard showing you how much MS is taking care of your "desktop security".
Imagine this on a personal pc as someone works from home. Every work related MS Team chat and Outlook email being saved and uploaded to MS. Tooooootally not intended.
Disgusting. I'm going to pick my old PC I ditched because it gave signs of possible break soon and test Linux on it to eventually move over. This is no different than installing malware.
imagine every computer at your workplace having this. if one of your colleagues leaves their computer unlocked (which they shouldn't but does happen sometimes) you could easily look in their history for any sensitive information you want or even just pr0n to see if they have been misusing their PC and suddenly you have leverage over them. i dont know, it doesnt seem hard to imagine a scenario where this is suuuuper problematic.
