Mid-Sodor Mysteries - Lore, Layouts & Locomotives 

Thank you

"Silly talking trains" yeah what T&F has become thx to Mattel.. i guess

I mean, you don't just like the lore, it's amazing but you have to like the silly talking trains a little, right? (I don't mean the reboot)

@@robertbalazslorincz8218 all engines go is not Thomas

@@Primus_why2009 what did primus do?

I feel like you were being generous. I expected the wiki to change within half an hour.

A beautiful quote. Thank you.

Duke: You impertinent scalywags....

@@danielcreed2328 Whatever are you young engines be coming to nowadays?

@@terencewilliammckenna6121 Nevermind grandpuff, we're only young one

@@zack5757hamzah Well, you'd better mind! Unless you wanna end up like Smudger/#2.

And thank you for the sounds of sinnoh

I agree. I love this video too! It is a pity that your great video 'The Weight of the World - Enterprising Engines' is technically outdated. Would you propose that 'The Mine Engine' actually acquired the 'Atlas' name some time after the original left?

Hi

Can you please make me an Duke pls

toby070 hey man! I definitely have a lot to think about. I had a lot of plans with Alfred too that I want to reconsider. However, with atlas and Alfred I may stick to my guns on them. We’ll see! Maybe they’ll keep their names and designs but I’ll work on their backstory a little...

Makes sense. You sell an engine, then, oh no, you have a gap in your numbering system. Next engine to come along takes that number. The North London Railway did this, confounding historians.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-erLfhl3Apog.html It would also explain why Rheneas is shown at 1:05 in Granpuff so they technically included Jennings, since Jennings is the same basis as Rheneas and Dolgoch, AND the fact that Jennings was painted red on the model layout

Jerry, not 'Gerry'.

@@ukaszwalczak1154 Its how its officially spelt

@@ukaszwalczak1154 Mate, he said 'Gerry with a G, not a J.' But Jeanette has a J, not a G.

I live in the USA, and am thus somewhat limited in my ability to travel and see the Preserved Railways of the UK. Videos like this allow me to experience these lines and histories

Oh, heck.

Has more deep lore than robots who kill children

​@@tirpitzyt3088what television program is that?

@@theremoteanater not a program but fnaf

Indeed, wow.

Certified Wow

I agree with you

Hi Sam

concurred, wowzers

Bet!

Hope so!

It will be fun. I’m assuming the non main MSR and Stanley characters will be some of the engines that came and went as Stuart and Falcon sing songed

Well, considering there are technically two Alberts, and given the fan-made story of the Albert from Falcon works, I wouldn't be surprised if there were other story concepts that could come from these freshly dug up bits of info. Like how given the Albert in the fan story supposedly got taken to pieces, after one especially dangerous predicament, I wouldn't be surprised if his name plates were also salvaged, and given to a new engine, who was without a name.

Wonder how interesting a story we’ll see out of John.

It's such a good piece of music!

It's main vested in the way OO9 was at the time, there were hardly any kits available and they were all very primitive. Freelance was very common as it meant they could be designed to fit N Gauge chassis without worry - I imagine if he wrote them into the books they'd be real locomotive designs

I can only agree with you man.

It's probably what inspired the scene in the book

Lord Albert the Time Train. That is now his official title in my mind.

instead of the doctor, he is the works engine

Not all Dukes are royalty.

Not all people watch a kids show

You weren’t wrong!

Not only that, but it also leaves open the possibility of other engines on the railway not present on the layout.

I also actually thought of Rheneas’s appearances in the episodes where he was supposed to be away for repairs actually being Jennings on loan to the Skarloey Railway for a while before his return.

Let’s about Britt Affcrolt to edit rheneas’s color to make him look like another engine, until he returns

Same with Skarloey and Duncan, that way, they could be John and Gerry.

Smudger:hehehehehehe

Proteus and all the other Alberts who are actually a reverse version of a multiple personality which basically means Albert is a shapeshifter: *We exist lol*

Maybe there had been multiple Alberts working on the Mid-Sodor Railway. I can easily picture the Skarloey Railway engines asking the Mid-Sodor engines “For crying out loud, how many Alberts did you know?!” or something like that.

Love this for a rows book

lol 😂

To be frank, they didn't have the budget to create a completely different engine that would only appear once.

@@danielcreed2328 I already knew that.

While Smudger is a different type of engine from Stanley, their fates are very similar. And while we know now that the Reverend Awdry reduced Stanley to a pumping engine because the model itself was a poor runner; both characters have a somewhat similar story to a real life engine on the Festiniog Railway. Palmerson was a England type locomotive built for the railway in 1863. It is a sister engine to Prince, which was the inspiration for Duke. It was numbered 4, but the exact order in which they were built is unknown. Palmerson underwent several repairs and refits over it's life, but by 1942 it was quite worn out, and was put to work as a stationary boiler for the Glaslyn Foundry at Boston Lodge. It then sat derelict and abandoned; parts were removed from it in 1955 to repair Prince; and it narrowly escaped scrapping a few years later. By that time, it was thought to be "beyond restoration." It continued to sit forgotten until a group of BR engineers purchased it in 1974, and began a slow restoration of it. It changed hands several times, but was steamed at last in 1993. It traveled to several railways in the years that followed, until Mike Hart donated it back to the Festiniog in 2000, where it is today. While you bring closure to why Stanley suffered the fate he did in the RWS, Smudger's fate is left an open question in TVS; you can see his smokestack sticking out of the ruined enginehouse, but he was not retrieved along with Duke. It would have made a neat episode to have Smudger's fate equal that of Palmerson -- he would continue to sight derelict and though unrestorable and even scrapped by the other engines, only to be purchased by a group who restores it at last, and after he tours other railways for a season, returns to the Mid-Sodor Railway to the surprise and delight of the other engines. I could also see the Awdrys doing so as well if they were still writing stories when this took place, since it is a classical "saved from scrap" tale. I plan on creating a video about these three engines; thanks for shedding light into the story of Stanley and his fate. I will definitely have to incorporate it into my video if/when I do.

@@survivingworldsteam What does this have to do with anything?

An excellent, confusing and interesting video. The mix of rebuilds, repaint and renaming reminds me of its basis that being the Isle of man, some aspects of this still exist today. Every time either a loco or a tram goes in for an overhaul it comes out in a different colour. Very confusing to model makers like myself

I knew there was a reason WildNorWester approached you to voice the Mine Engine (Atlas). Also, I'm impressed with how much lore you know about the Railway Series, even the less commonly known things.

It's one of those things I'm 50/50 on as it seems a very odd thing to have Peter Sam be hung up on, yes he is somewhat naïve - but it always seemed a bit too naïve for him to get so flustered over what Duck said. I'd like to believe Awdry at least had the idea of a George England called Duke on their old line at that point - especially as he would have been to the Ffes, seen Prince and bought the GEM kit at that point - and that Peter Sam thought Duck was referring to their Duke. There's no way to say for certain, especially as his first Duke model pops up around early 1966 - easily enough for him to have had the idea of the character while writing Very Old Engines, or have been created by the conversation Duck and Peter Sam have.

Very interesting information, My Grandad actually met the Rev Awdry at the Harrogate Model engineering exhibition where he was selling his books.

Wow! Those are brilliant stories!

See you there!

I am glad you could vibe hahaha

Yeah pretty much - and Smudger isn't American. I just wanted to make the distinction that the TVS and RWS do not share the same canon.

At least Stanley is still being useful, and possibly still alive. The stock box was a purgatory, but now the engines now they’re being admired. All but one.

I thought that Stanley was red! Did he get repainted after he came to Sodor?

Meh, I still like them better as Mine Engines.

*Atlas

this video helps a ton of the history of the mid sodor layout and the locomotives

Aw thanks so much Zach! Congratulations by the way! Meant to comment on FB but time got away from me, be good to have a chat again at some point mate

@@ExplosiveCookie thanks mate! Absolutely, we’ll have to find a time to chat. Been too long! Life’s just far busier than expected 😂