Middle Earth SBG Battle Report! ~ Dunland Vs Dwarves 

This makes me feel old! Doesn’t seem that long ago we started the podcast. ~Jeremy

Thanks mate the next one is on its way!

Thanks mate! I really appreciate it

With a bit of conversion work one could probably use them to depict royal guard.

Jacob is going to have me back for at least one more. After that, it will probably depend on Conquest Creations and the other local RU-vid channels for how often I appear on this platform.

I try to keep the videos as concise and interesting as possible. That is the kind of video that I would choose to watch

@@ConquestCreations and its the most enjoyable to watch like that, keep it up!;)

Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it

Glad you enjoyed it

Glad you enjoyed!

Thanks mate, there are more on the way

Thanks for the comment mate! We are trying our hardest to increase our quality. The comparison between dwarf Rangers and dwarf warriors with bows is an interesting one. The both have pros and cons. Strength 3 bows is nice but dwarf Rangers have a 24" range and a 3+ shoot value. I think the right choice is a mix of the two. The king's champ is so strong. In my dwarf army I am definitely taking one

Much appreciated!

Yeah this is the dwarf players responsibility to not commit to combat if they are not quite ready for it. Though he is a massive points sink

@@spikejohnson3936 yep in the first heroic move,the dwaft player would go back and wait for durin also the dwarves die very quickly

Glad you enjoyed!

I think the credit needs to go to Jeremy though he played that fantastically

@@simwify yes, he took advantage of the opportunities nicely. If I play durin at this low points level (I wouldnt but I did play him at 600 and against dunland) I go straight for the biggest enemy blob I can find with durin in my first rank, no matter the scenario x) DU BEKAR!

@@Jewus19 This is a really hard army for objective scenarios. I think the best way to play them is a horde of the with king champ and captains. I then add in a ballista to control some flow of the game

Here taging objectives spread out really helped as the glass cannons also are fast and have flying units.

Was scrolling thorugh to see if anyone else had made this comment before I did. My only thought was the angle was pretty bad so possible the gap was a lot bigger. Plus he could've charged past the first Dwarf if the gap hadn't been there anyway.

He certainly showed his expertise in this game

@@ConquestCreations you should make a minas morgul table top game fortress and the battering ram grond if you do so I would like to buy both from you

@@ConquestCreations for minas morgul fortress would be a good product to buy especially with grond the wolf battering ram

I’m guessing those 6 days were just the Isengard episode? :P

@@pookelywoo3954 Just the Isengard and Mordor episodes, actually :) On half speed...

Dunland is a great match up for dwarves because they can rip through their high defence. Impressive to take out durin. He is one of the toughest models in the game

It's even crazier when you get the chance to play against him

They are forgeworld minis

The Elves must have been out for a stroll when the dwarves wandered in!

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I’m very interested in the khand models as well! I watched the video on tv and had to jump online to find out where I can find them.

What changes to the dwarf list would make an improvement?

I'm surprised you think the list is so bad. I know you play a lot of dwarves but Al came second place at a 750 point army with a similar list just scaled up. I haven't played Kazad dum yet but without spears it seems to make sense to go elite because you aren't able to leverage your numbers very well without spears so going for a dwarf horde doesn't seem optimal. Is there something I'm missing here?

Going full elite just isn't viable in so many scenarios these days for dwarfs. By reducing your model count you limit your options. In exchange, you increase your killing power but that was never a major problem for dwarfs to begin with. By far the biggest problem with the list is the lack of Dwarf warriors with shields. These guys are essential and should make up 33-50% of your army. The ability to shield combined with the D7 and F4 means that they are able to hold up lines and larger groups by themselves while the rest of your army can get into position. They also will match most other opponents elites in a fight often for fewer points. For example in this game, if we assume the captains Warband were dwarf warriors with shields instead of rangers that force would have been able to in all likely hood hold long enough for Durin and the hearth guard to get involved as they could have shielded to dramatically increase their chances. Still wasn't a great position to be in but gives you a better chance. On a side note as well dwarfs get better the higher the points because their weaknesses naturally become less relevant and their strength more prevalent the more models you get on a table so it's not too surprising to me that the equivalent list would be stronger at 750.

@@gwflora615 The lists I have taken at around the 500pts mark That I have been successful with are very different to this. First off at this points level I usually opt for the kingdom of Moria. Durin is too much of a points sink to get value from him at this points level for me. Opting for Balin and either Gimli or a Kings Champion is a better route at 500, I usually swap to Durin at around the 700 mark when Balin becomes a bit too vulnerable as a general. I also don't rate hearth guard and think they are surplus to requirements in the list and not worth the expense at 500. As a quick write up of 2 different 500 lists off the top of my head: Balin x4 Vault warden Teams x3 Dwarf warriors, Shields x1 Dwarf Warriors, Shield, Banner x1 Dwarf Ranger, bow Gimli x3 Vault warden Teams x4 Dwarf warriors, Shields x1 Dwarf Ranger, bow 26 models or Balin x5 Dwarf warriors, Shields x3 Dwarf Ranger, bow, Throwing axes x2 Khazard guard x3 Iron Guard King's Champion x2 Heralds x4 Dwarf warriors, Shields x2 Dwarf Ranger, bow, Throwing axes x2 Khazard guard x2 Iron Guard 27 models

It is from printable scenery.

You are correct, but the issue in this game was the numbers and mobility advantage was so large to Dunland that it was difficult to take even fights for the dwarves and still hold more than one objective. A different stratergy would have been to turtle up and try to break the Dunland army first before trying to win the game with the VPs for breaking the enemy and controlling 2/5 objectives. It still would have been very difficult, Jeremy would have taken his time to circle and envelope the dwaves regardless.

Yep you are right, spreading his forces would have been even worse for the Dwarf Army. And fighting in one point of the battleground until the Dunland army is broke was very dangerous too because of the end of the game on a 1-2, it could finish juste after without time to retag the objectives.

That works mostly in theory, seeing the armies involved. The Dwarves were severely outnumbered and less mobile than Dunland, so they could not afford to split to cover objectives. At the same time, their usually high defense doesn't mean that much when the enemy can use piercing strike with almost his whole army and has 4 more might points to use to control initiative. Even in a straight fight, Dunland had the means and the speed to avoid taking the dwarves one on one, and the battlefield was open enough to allow for the faster moving dunlendings to encircle their line.

I think that counter calling is often the most important use on might however it needs to be done at the right time or it can be very wasteful. It certainly depends on the amount of might you have in your army. Jeremy had nine while Al only had 5 meaning that he needed to be a lot more conservative and let some stuff go

@@ConquestCreations Don't get me wrong - I feel the pressure to counter call all the time. When it works, it's awesome. Maybe I'm jaded, but it seems like every time I call it second, I lose the roll off...

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Just checked how they said it in the film and you are completely correct. I have said it wrong every time hahaha

I have heaps of Easterling Reports just check out the videos on the channel and you will find quite a few

@@ConquestCreations which ones are all options? Thanks!

I'm having the same issue, but it's been happening to a few youtube videos for me today, no idea what the problem is

That weird! I think it might be an issue through RU-vid because I am getting the 1080p version on my end

Link to all the lists in the description

@@Liam_TheNoob oh thank you, i really didn't see it

It'll be out in a fortnight but after that we have run into a pretty major issue. The city of Melbourne has been in a lock down for the past 8 weeks and will likely remain in lockdown for another 5 or 6. This means that we haven't been able to film. The Conquest Champions League is a 7 game series and only 5 of them were filmed before lockdown so there will have to be a bit of a break. I'm planning on making heaps of other content in the mean time. What kind of things would you like to see?

@@ConquestCreations The battle reports are really good or the quest of the ringbearer would be really good

No, fate is used after ALL wounds are calculated - therefore modifiers on 'to wound' rolls are required to be used first.

Thanks for the response! Btw, would it make any difference if Durin's rolls were made one at a time? What with the recent FAQs on rolls all at once vs. one at a time I just wondered.

@@peterm.9379 Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean?

@@peterm.9379 I believe that if durin had rolled one attack at a time that the same situation applies but on a smaller sample size. So if the first attack had been the one that failed to wound he would have to commit to either using (or not using) might before he rolled his second attack. This is why rolling together is usually better because at least he knew he had 2 guaranteed wounds and the might would be worthwhile whereas with just one attack he could use the might and then botch another attack later. Having said this I did not check back to the FAQ you mentioned when writing this but this is how I understand it would work.

@@matthewkappos3602 Actually no - if you roll one die at a time, he needs to respond to each one. A lot of competitive players don't do it that way because of how much time it takes. You're right though - you have to use Might in the moment to fix a failed wounding roll, which is yet another reason a lot of players don't do it.

lol you might be in for a surprise

@@FoxgroundMusic yep, I didn’t account for Jeremy being a pretty awesome player

And the Dunlendings being Strength 4 with axes means that with piercing strike they kill the Khazad Guard on a 5+ and the rangers on a 4+

@@peterm.9379 I’d forgotten the axe spam, last time I played against dunland they didn’t need it as I had a block of Rohan infront of them

Not sure you have played middle earth before. It's a great game you should definitely give it a shot! This is how the game is played, for models to fight they must be in base contact and each model operates independently rather than in units