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“Clothes Food Shelter + Love and Miss you”
Vocal: Mahiru (CV: Miho Okasaki)
2nd Trial 6th EP Mahiru (CV: Miho Okasaki) “I Love You” 2023.5.31 Release.
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■Music Credit
Lyrics & Music: DECO*27
Arrangement: TeddyLoid
■Movie Credit
Movie by OTOIRO
Director: awashima
Character Designer: Cona Nitanda
Key Animator: kee, RL, 1024, rozuki, MAKARIA, Yoshihiro Seki, Chenru Dai, LEE MINJI
Animator / Finishing: MAKARIA
Color Supervisor: Miku Oi
Background Artist: MAKARIA, Hiroshi Gouroku, Noriko Sudo
Typography: Mitsumi Yanokawa, yuka fujii
Composite: Composite Team, Naoki Hasegawa, RL, GA, Mitsumi Yanokawa, 1024, lowpolydog
CG: GA
Art Director: DMYM
Original Character Designer: akka
Project Manager: Iori Majima
Sound Product Manager: Yusuke Sato
Story / Author: Takuya Yamanaka
■Producer
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Tomonari Sakai (arma bianca)
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Lyrics:
Clothes Food Shelter + Love and Miss you
“See you next week?” sounding in cadence
The meaning of life while guilty, I can’t even breathe anymore
My lethal weapon: “This is how to be in love with you”
It’s ok for everyone else but not for me
Unfair and stuck between in love and love
Kiss good-bye to this feeling cuz it’s too heavy? I can’t, no way no way no way
Sigh... No appetite, I can’t sleep, my hair’s a mess
What am I supposed to do now? If you won’t tell me, I can’t be me
Clothes Food Shelter - Love and Miss you
This adorable, earnest, sincere ♥
Is bleeding, wailing, this is the end
What you trampled is my, “This is how to be in love with you”
This can’t go on, something’s got to give, I even love saying the words, “I love you”
My emotions are out of control, that’s inconvenient? I don’t care!
Tell me, oh tell me why, won’t you just accept me?
Mon-mon-monstrously in love in love
Mon-mon-monstrous, cuz I love you so much
Mon-mon-monstrously in love in love
A monstrous dilemma!!!
I don’t need anyone else, as long as I have you
I could do anything as long as you smiled, I actually believed that
The happiness we tightly bound up and suffocated, is no longer here
If I could see you again, I wonder, what would I say to you and how?
Clothes Food Shelter + Love and Miss you
“See you next week?” sounding in cadence
The meaning of life while guilty, I can’t even breathe anymore
My lethal weapon: “This is how to be in love with you”
Clothes Food Shelter - Love and Miss you
This adorable, earnest, sincere ♥
Is bleeding, wailing, this is the end
What you trampled is my, “This is how to be in love with you”
This can’t go on, something’s got to give, I even love saying the words, “I love you”
My emotions are out of control, that’s inconvenient? I don’t care!
Tell me, oh tell me why, are you not here anymore?
Saying I love you but doing what I did, I know I have no right, crossed and covered in sin
My love, it scored an own goal, destroyed my love and me with its weight
Tell me, oh tell me why, can’t I just do it right
Mon-mon-monstrously in love in love
Mon-mon-monstrous, cuz I love you so much
Mon-mon-monstrously in love in love
A monstrous dilemma!!! I just love you so much
Mon-mon-monstrously in love in love
Mon-mon-monstrous, cuz I love you so much
Mon-mon-monstrously in love in love
A monstrous dilemm... “DIE”
©MILGRAM

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Комментарии : 3 тыс.   
@blast889
@blast889 7 месяцев назад
I think that either Mahiru and her boyfriend were both originally suffering from depression and potentially suicidal tendencies, where Mahiru made her boyfriend’s depression worse, or she ruined his mental state to such a point where he became depressed and suicidal by relying on him for her own depression - in order to make him share her pain which she views as love. In her first mv, she describes how she wants to share pain with her boyfriend and have ‘matching pain’, (which she later refers to as matching love) while also saying that their ‘sickness is getting pretty bad’. It seems like she romanticises their pain, and thinks of it as part of their love. So she doesn’t want to get better, because she thinks that would harm their relationship, like where she says she ‘hates being ok’ (a more literal translation). This could also apply to her boyfriend, in that she doesn’t want him to get better either and so she gives him more pain (which she sees as love). The romanticism is also evident when she talks about ‘giving love to the point of pulling you down’, when she says she’s ‘happy to get hurt when they argue’, and when she says that wanting to die because she can’t know everything about her boyfriend is part of love - she associates these negative things positively. Another thing to note is how she mentions she wants to see her boyfriend’s ‘cute confused face’ which could be a kind of early indication that she doesn’t take his emotions too seriously; it seems likely that she would find him cute when he’s upset. I think the first mv also suggests that Mahiru isn’t as happy as she seems when she says she sucks at pretending to smile but relies on her boyfriend to feel ‘better’, which could also put a lot of pressure on him if he was already depressed, or would influence his mental state. In this mv, it seems like the cake represents the ‘love’ she was feeding him which was probably very unhealthy (which could mean the boyfriend also fed her this to some extent, or that it just represented the overall love he gave to her). When he was at his limit, feeling very depressed and suicidal, she fed him more of this unhealthy ‘love’ which made him feel even worse. I don’t think if he was fine before Mahiru he would have killed himself (unless she hurt him so badly he became depressed); it would require Mahiru to be insanely controlling which I don’t think she was (although she definitely was a bit controlling). Also, I think it’s notable how both of them are worn and tattered up in the forest, however Mahiru is content while her boyfriend is suffering - which could reinforce that she thinks their ‘shared pain’ is what makes up their love and is happy about it. So essentially Mahiru feels that their shared pain (depression, suicidal nature) makes up their relationship, so she doesn’t want the two of them to get better as she feels their pain is the love between them. She gives a lot of ‘love’ to her boyfriend, unaware that it is actually pain and hurts him so much that he wants to commit suicide, which makes her confused and regretful as to why the love she gave him caused such an ending unlike other couples.
@baguette87
@baguette87 10 дней назад
that is also what i thought of! notice on how the cake when mahiru was feeding her bf it, it was bigger which means bigger affection… in mahiru’s vision. that’s when it turned into rats in her bf’s pov, meaning that her “affectionate” words weren’t helping. but mahiru’s bf fed her a small amount, but notice on how his hand was under it as if he didn’t want to drop it and be careful when feeding her it, that didn’t turn into rats in any of their povs i feel like mahiru is deceiving us 😭
@まぬるぬぬ
@まぬるぬぬ Год назад
水を与えすぎて花を枯らすタイプなんだよねマヒルは
@sino_sk
@sino_sk Год назад
めちゃめちゃしっくりきた…
@vtuber6546
@vtuber6546 Год назад
水だけじゃなくて栄養剤とかもあげすぎちゃいそう・・・
@まぬるぬぬ
@まぬるぬぬ Месяц назад
伸びてるけど、もしマヒルがガーデニングをしようと思ったら完璧な量の陽の光と完璧に習慣化されたお水の量と時間配分と完璧に調合された肥料によってそれはそれは美しい花を咲かせることが出来ると思う。ただそれを人間にも与えようとするから大問題っていう話なだけで…
@ゆゆゆ-v1m
@ゆゆゆ-v1m Год назад
実家の猫ちゃん、よくネズミを捕ってきて一番懐いてた父のベッドの上に献上していたんだけど、猫ちゃんからすれば大好きな人に自慢の獲物をプレゼントしてるわけで、人間からしたらド迷惑な行為でしかないよなあ…ってのを思い出しちゃったな。
@dolphin_doril
@dolphin_doril Год назад
椎名真昼猫概念
@SaltyAsSugar
@SaltyAsSugar Год назад
Everyone remember that this isn't about "guilty" or "innocent." It's about whether or not, you'd forgive them or not.
@NatPatent
@NatPatent Год назад
No it can be because of anything, it doesn't have to be based on morals or forgiveness
@TheRynaShow
@TheRynaShow Год назад
@@NatPatent I think they mean the literal translation isn’t guilty or innocent, it’s “forgiven” (赦す) & “not forgiven” (赦さない). Regardless of reason, it’s supposed to be whether or not you forgive them for their actions.
@CaedusDeorum
@CaedusDeorum Год назад
It annoys me so much when people say one of them is guilty
@guavagudetama6355
@guavagudetama6355 Год назад
Looks like someone didn’t watch the rules explanation video
@Yan-ol4qu
@Yan-ol4qu Год назад
@@guavagudetama6355???
@Musikenna
@Musikenna Год назад
It's safe to assume that Mahiru had no idea how toxic the relationship was until he committed suicide. It is also implied that their relationship was mutually toxic, with both of them being seen feeding eachother "cake". The difference is, one knows its a rat, the other doesn't.
@yz5757
@yz5757 Год назад
Mahiru also say that she's a beginner at relationship in second trial voice drama(If I did tranlate it correctly).
@skeep_meep
@skeep_meep Год назад
Woah ur right🤯
@king0fspades36
@king0fspades36 Год назад
i see what youre saying but personally i dont agree. i think she knew, but didnt want to face it and instead distorted her mindset to consider their relationship perfect, mostly from the line at 0:40 "my emotions are out of control, that's inconvenient? I don't care!" she doesnt care that its toxic, just as long as theyre together.
@hotaruika5876
@hotaruika5876 Год назад
@@king0fspades36 She’s also in a poor mental state right now after receiving the guilty vote and being told her love is wrong. Mahiru is the type of person who thinks being hurt by her partners is a good thing (she alludes to “matching pain” in How To Be In Love With You) and says she’ll do or be anything her boyfriend wants. As opposed to her knowing the relationship was bad and being in denial, I think she rather is aware she’s hurting her boyfriend and he’s hurting her but thinks it’s an expression of love. It’s more realistic with people who stay in toxic relationships that they do so because they genuinely thought it was normal and didn’t see anything wrong with it, and they only realize how bad it was after they leave and enter a healthy relationship. She doesn’t strike me as someone with self-awareness until we told her outright with the guilty vote.
@senritsujumpsuit6021
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Год назад
@@king0fspades36 in Black Butler 2 this is the main concept projecting your desire for comfort in the wrong thing with this line "Why you could have just lied; You must have figured how the questions where created but you still gave that answer"
@ぽてとわたがし
@ぽてとわたがし 11 дней назад
やめて欲しいと思いつつ第一審の「作った笑顔」「君だから恥ずかしいことも」ってフレーズが入ってたことがずっと引っかかってるんですよね。 まひるさんが二人で生きてくお金が無かったのか自分が可愛くいるために使うお金が無いのか分からないけど身を売ってた可能性ない…?彼氏はそれを知らなくて後から知って絶望しちゃったみたいな…「なんでそんなことしたの?」って問い詰めたら「君が好きだからなんだよこれも愛なんだよ」って言われて自分のせいで彼女がそんなことしてしまった絶望から…みたいな…それをマヒルさん解釈で行くと私の愛のせいで死んだ、私の愛を否定した(踏みつけた)みたいな…ないと思いたいんですけど
@モンブラン-e7u
@モンブラン-e7u Год назад
MVに彼氏の姿がはっきりと描かれてるのを見るにマヒルは本当に彼氏のこと大好きだったんだなって思わされる。 終盤のボロボロ状態での テンションの違いや実際に見えてるものの差そして笑顔でネズミを顔に押し付けてるところはまさしく「凶器は私の愛なんですよ」。 ボイスドラマを見ると 第一審の時の奔放に自由に振る舞うようなイメージとうって変わり 非常に芯が強く意志の固い人物だというのが伺える。 自分の意志を貫きつつ、 他者の考えも尊重出来る寛大さには驚愕させられた。 でも…それと同時にそんな人間的強さと重くて芯の固い純粋な愛が人を殺したんだなって思った。
@ほたて-i3m
@ほたて-i3m Год назад
ケーキを食べさせてあげる時、彼氏さんはいちごが乗っていない側を食べさせてあげてて、マヒルは本命のいちご側食べさせてるの愛の重さの違いがあるのかなって心臓に来る。
@3哀
@3哀 Год назад
マヒル視点だとイチゴだけど彼氏?視点だとネズミに映されてるのが少し気になる🤔 本当にマヒル側に問題はなかったのか。 表現的になんというか私を貴方の身体の1部にして欲しい的なノリでマヒルの血とか毛入りのヤバい彼女シリーズの〇入りチョコとかそれに類する料理食わされててもおかしくないというか…
@ほたて-i3m
@ほたて-i3m Год назад
@@3哀 マヒル視点でしか見れてなかったんですけれど、確かに男性視点から見るとそういった物を入れてそうな雰囲気ありますね! 解釈の仕方がまた広がりました!ありがとうございます!!
@MEATEOR616
@MEATEOR616 Год назад
@@3哀 「同化しちゃうよこのままじゃ」 ってことか
@粒状のカカオ豆
@粒状のカカオ豆 Год назад
@@MEATEOR616 狂気を感じる
@helloex-6767
@helloex-6767 Год назад
いちごの花言葉って 「幸福な家庭」 「尊重と愛情」やけど マヒルさんからしたら彼氏さんと一緒に暮らす事と誰にも愛させないつまり独占欲をすることによって自分からしたらそれだけで(多分)大満足なんやろうけど 彼氏さん側からしたら恐怖でしかないしマヒルさんのくっっそ思い歪んだ愛情によって 全く忠実に感じられないし幸福とも感じられない だからいちごが乗ってない方をマヒルさんに食べさしたんかな… マヒルさん→いちご乗った方をあげさせたのは自分の大好きな思いを食べさせている 彼氏さん→乗ってない方をあげさせたのはマヒルさんの歪んだ愛を受け付けられない 怖くて受け入れない だからのしてない方を食べさせたのかな…怖いすれ違い恋愛や…
@autistic_beats
@autistic_beats 26 дней назад
Listening to this is not enough, I need to feel it in my soul.
@user-zr7yd7er6d
@user-zr7yd7er6d Год назад
まひるちゃん、好きな人にネズミをあげたり第一審では青い鳥に飛びかかったりと猫を思わせる仕草が多いよね かわい〜〜(思考停止)
@tukihotaru2193
@tukihotaru2193 Год назад
もしマヒルが『猫』なら第三審の時はどんな動物が出るんだろう?
@miri9716
@miri9716 Год назад
@@tukihotaru2193リスとかかと思ったけど 一周回って犬とか出てきそう
@helloex-6767
@helloex-6767 8 месяцев назад
そういやユノやカズイさんでも第二審MVで猫ちゃん要素散りばめられてたよね… しかもそれが三人まとめて必ずしも「恋愛」絡みなのがなんとも言えん
@ao1no289
@ao1no289 8 месяцев назад
第一審の飛びかかる時の顔も言われてみればなにか仕掛けてくるときの猫がこんな顔でこんな挙動してたな…?
@starpeep5769
@starpeep5769 4 месяца назад
​@@tukihotaru2193彼氏も猫のようだ
@miri9716
@miri9716 11 месяцев назад
なんか前にボーボボ見てた時「いちごの花言葉は寿退社よ!」って言っててそれのコメント欄見てたら「イチゴは花言葉が寿退社っていうより寿退社する人にあげるのがおすすめの果物」ってあって マヒルちゃんの彼氏が甘いケーキのひとかけらだけあげてるのは「このまま甘い恋人生活送ろうね」って感じでマヒルちゃんがいちご乗せてあげてるの見ると「結婚しようね♡」って感じなのわかるんだけど私はこれをボーボボで知りたくなかった
@TekkouLovesOZ
@TekkouLovesOZ 11 месяцев назад
ボーボボ時空はミルグラムだった…?
@まぃ-z9t
@まぃ-z9t Месяц назад
​@@TekkouLovesOZこんなドロドロ展開ボーボボで見たくないな…
@しおのり-r8q
@しおのり-r8q Год назад
マヒルにとっては天国みたいな恋愛だけど相手にとっては地獄ってどんな恋愛してたんだろドラマCDも楽しみ
@煮込ノア
@煮込ノア Год назад
ラストの「どうかしちゃうよこのままじゃ すきだよって言うのもすきなのに」「気持ちはアンコントロール 迷惑だって上等」で本当に鳥肌が立ったし感動した。歌声の表現力がすごいからこそこの曲のエグさを際立ててる……
@celiaveiga224
@celiaveiga224 Год назад
I mean the feeling of being ‘suffocated’ in the relationship was pretty implied in the first MV, but I surely wasn’t expecting for it to be so CLEAR AND LITERAL in this one
@Kuro5253
@Kuro5253 Год назад
ラスサビ前のマヒルさんの歌声が震えてて、すごく悲しい気持ちになる… 最後の「大問…ダイ」のダイで暗く掠れた声になるの、ほんとに怖すぎて…
@miruha1113
@miruha1113 Год назад
彼氏くんケーキあーんしてるとき片手受け皿にしてくれてるの優しくて好き。
@nanami9621
@nanami9621 11 месяцев назад
手皿はマナー違反ですけどね
@miruha1113
@miruha1113 9 месяцев назад
@@nanami9621 そ.....そんな.............(無知野郎)
@やま-l3h
@やま-l3h Год назад
トレーラー聴いたときは変わらず明るい曲調なのかと思ったけどほんとに"重い"感じがでてて最高ですマヒルさん
@user-nagumo13
@user-nagumo13 Год назад
彼氏は「愛生活」だったんだろうな 歌詞にある「衣食住」とか、MVの服装とかネズミとか見るとかなり生活に困窮してたんじゃないか… 彼氏は苦しくて首括るほどだったけど、マヒルにとっては愛さえあればネズミでもケーキ食べてるくらい甘く思える生活だったってことなんかな 森歩いてるシーンは彼氏目線で、飢えが表現されてるんじゃないかと思って「ヘンゼルとグレーテル」のお菓子の家に向かう道中とか連想した マヒルが首傾げてるとことか特に2人の価値観のすれ違い感じる お目汚し失礼しました
@亜人-f6q
@亜人-f6q Год назад
マヒルさんの表現力がえぐくて鬱になる、好き。 追記:英訳の最後がDIEで震えた…。
@tukihotaru2193
@tukihotaru2193 Год назад
ポップな曲とラップっぽいところ演じ分けてるのすごいですよね
@CountryMuu
@CountryMuu Год назад
MAHIRUUU I’M CRYING I CAN’T WAIT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SECOND BEST MILGRAM T2 SONG
@adidoesstuff5999
@adidoesstuff5999 Год назад
Which one's the best?
@CountryMuu
@CountryMuu Год назад
@@adidoesstuff5999 It’s not my fault 😼😼
@wesleyswoodentreehouse6350
@wesleyswoodentreehouse6350 Год назад
She looks so messed up😢😢
@bnuubers
@bnuubers Год назад
backdraft >>>>>>>
@zillynfox
@zillynfox Год назад
@@CountryMuu YOU’RE SO RIGHT
@may-nq4oy
@may-nq4oy 6 месяцев назад
歌詞「好きだよって言うのも好きなのに」がサイコーにエゴで好き
@-tohru-8306
@-tohru-8306 8 месяцев назад
最近ハマった新参者ですがこのMVみて感じたことがマヒルの愛が私と同じ愛だったって言うのに気づいた。付き合ってる期間が長ければ長いほどお互いのことを信用して手離したくないって思う。それが依存になってお互いがそう思うと共依存になったら離れられなくて辛くなる。マヒルの場合は彼氏が耐えられなくて自殺?しちゃったけど私の当時付き合ってた彼氏は耐えられない。好きかどうか分からなくなったって言って別れた。その時私は最高潮に好きで別れたり離れたりしたら私は生きていけないって言う気持ちが強かったから辛かった。きっとマヒルも同じ気持ちだったのかな。
@趣味人-p3t
@趣味人-p3t Год назад
相手を拘束しすぎて仕事とかも辞めさせちゃって貯金を使い果たして鳥かごの維持も出来ずホームレスへ。 マヒルさんは愛があれば生きていける人間で、相手が仕事も家を失っても大好きなままだったんだろうな。 でも恋人はそうじゃなかったんだろうね。 恋人はそれでも仕事も家も金もない自分を愛してくれるのはこの人だけだろうと依存しようとしたけど、マヒルさんは仕事をしてくるとかじゃなく、野のネズミを捕まえて「なんでもう歩けないなんて言うの?なんでもうついていけないとか言うの?あ、そうだ!お腹減ってるからだね!大丈夫だよ!私がご飯持ってきたよ!食べて!盗んだんじゃないよ!私がちゃんと調達してきたんだよ!お金かかって無いんだよ!すごいでしょ!おっきいほうあげるからね」みたいな感じじゃなかろうか? いやぁ…凄いなぁ。 こんなにとんでもないのにキャラクターとして愛らしくて可愛すぎて赦したくなっちゃう。 でも現実にこんな人が存在するとしたら…看守の立場にいたらコトコさんに「他の人優先して」って陳情あげるくらいはする…。
@No-ii7do
@No-ii7do Год назад
DECOさんいわくここからが地獄の本番 公開までに精神修行を積んでおこうと思います 追記 ひいいいぃぃ!! 生放送で言ってたサビの罠これだあああぁぁ!!(精神修行失敗) 後半を見た感じだと一緒に死のうとしたのかな… ①マヒルと男性が付き合う(経過は恐らく愛なんですよのMV) ②だんだんマヒルの愛への異常な執着が見え始める(君が笑えるならどんなこともやれるって思ったんだよって歌詞があるので相当な事をしたんだと予想) ③付いて行けなくなった男性がマヒルを拒絶 ④自分の構成要素の大部分であった愛を否定された影響で精神を病み、心中を図る ⑤男性だけ○亡、マヒルは生き残る って感じかなぁ… こえぇって…
@夜ノです
@夜ノです Год назад
最後のDieが伏線みたいになってて鳥肌
@10derfoot
@10derfoot Год назад
とりあえず思うのは、彼氏実在してよかった……。勘違いストーカー女とかじゃなくてよかった……。ってことです
@えだまめ-t9y
@えだまめ-t9y Год назад
確かにそんな説が浮上してましたよね…良かった良かった良くない
@tukihotaru2193
@tukihotaru2193 Год назад
@@えだまめ-t9yマヒルの彼…痩せてネズミ食わされて精神ボロボロだけど…
@まちゅ-q3q
@まちゅ-q3q Год назад
その説もなかなか、捨てきれないと思いました😢 私は勝手に前半がマヒルちゃんの理想と妄想。後半が彼氏目線の現実なんじゃと、、、
@hontounonamaehaibu
@hontounonamaehaibu Год назад
@@まちゅ-q3qそう言われたら前半の映像がやけにふわふわしてて夢のように思えてきた…
@カップ麺-r6o
@カップ麺-r6o 8 месяцев назад
⁠0:32らへんマヒルちゃんが眠って夢を見ている…とか?
@ratty4949
@ratty4949 Год назад
Ngl, the music video seems to be based on her musings just after he offed himself. Which fits in with the lyrics, where it's half essentially berating herself pretty harshly. Which would only make sense if it's im hindsight. It'd also explain why it STARTS with him already dead, the music video shows her trying to think of the good times...before slowly realizing how bad they really were...
@mela9652
@mela9652 Год назад
何故ネズミなんだろうと思ったけど、マヒルを猫に置き換えてるのかもしれない。 第一審でマヒルがいたのは鳥籠。でも、本当の鳥は彼のほうだった。鳥にとって猫は天敵。ただ、マヒルのほうに天敵(彼と相性が悪い人)である自覚はない。マヒルは彼に近づこうと鳥(彼と趣味などが似ている人)になろうとする。始めは順調だった。けれど、近づけば近づくほど、マヒルの本質が現れ出す。重すぎる愛。マヒルにとってはそれが好物(=ケーキ、幸せ)だけど、彼にとっては天敵の好物(=ネズミ、不幸)だった。 この先マヒルと過ごすのは耐えられない。でもきっと逃げ出すことも叶わない。最終的に彼が辿り着いた結論は死。 マヒルは直接彼を殺めてはない。けれど、いじめなどによる自殺において加害者が被害者を殺したと言われるように、彼女もまたヒトゴロシとして選ばれたのだろう。
@旧ガリガリ君
@旧ガリガリ君 Месяц назад
もしかしてこれ、マヒルさんDV男にDV仕返してた?そう考えると一審の歌詞全般に心当たりある気がする… こっちのMVでも男が最初にネズミケーキあーんしてるよな…いくら愛が重くても大人同士のちゃんとしたお付き合いで普通自殺するか?って感じするしコトコさんの暴力に一切疑念を感じてないしやっぱ普通の恋愛ではなさそう というかミルグラム内のマッピーなんか善良な恋する女の人すぎて怖い あんな状態で皆のこと大好きとか言えるのがもう強すぎるしコトコさんの暴力を怖がってるのに許容してるのが怖い DV受けてる人の言動すぎる 歌詞みるに精神的に弱々になった理由って愛を否定されたのが大半だよね?1,2審MVでもずっと愛以外なんも語ってなくて怖いよ 3審で場を乱すのはおそらくアマネちゃんなんだろうけど、マッピーにももう1段階やばめの進化残されてそうで怖いな
@九条りう
@九条りう Год назад
マヒルちゃんの曲 早口&ラップ多いのってほんとはこの量言いたいことがあったってことかな、って今思った。 彼氏さんが死んでもなお伝えきれなかったこととかいっぱいありそう。。 それくらい重い愛ってことなんだよね…、そこが好きなんだけど、お互いすれ違って悲しい思いしてるの泣ける… 純粋に愛をあげてるつもりが毒を与えることになってるのも…🥲 鳥肌立ったけど一番好きなシーンかも。
@里汐
@里汐 Год назад
最後まで見た感じマヒルさんの今回のカバー曲がどうして『パラサイト』なのか理解できた。幸せな妄想に溺れるような自分の愛を受け取ってくれる『夢をみせて』ほしいんだね。 ぶっちゃけマヒルに脱落してほしくないから赦すにしたいけど今回も赦さないほうがいいのかもしれない。この愛は否定してその愛じゃ意味ないってことを教えなくちゃいけないんだと思った。 けどまた赦さないだとコトコがまた絶対なんかするから自動的にコトコを赦さないになるな。あとなんかフータを宗教勧誘してたアマネも曲次第では赦さないで動きを拘束しないとなんかしそう。シドウさんは引き続き治療できるようにする為に赦すにする………ここまで考えたけど第二審って滅茶苦茶頭使わないと脱落者がでるから第一審みたいに感覚だけで投票するの本当に危険だな。
@ぴゃっぴゃらぴゃー
@ぴゃっぴゃらぴゃー Месяц назад
マヒルにとっての愛を受け取ることが彼氏にとって耐えがたい苦痛だったんだろうね。ありがた迷惑の究極形
@YoshiIsland101
@YoshiIsland101 Год назад
One snall detail I noticed is that when the boyfriend gives Mahiru the cake in the beginning, its not that big of a bite to eat. But at the end when she's feeding him the rats, its a much bigger forkful compared to the beginning. Which maybe represents how their shows of "love" for each other escalated over time into something that was very hard to handle?
@toro3767
@toro3767 Год назад
マッピーどうしちゃったの……公開が楽しみです……
@prok2276
@prok2276 Год назад
Mappy is Mahirus boyfriend?
@ぴてすけ
@ぴてすけ Год назад
No.Mappy is Mahiru,nickname
@prok2276
@prok2276 Год назад
@@ぴてすけ aaaa Thanks
@ムラサキムラサキ-y4e
マヒルさん、流石に愛なんですよと違いすぎない? 愛なんですよはマヒルさんの初々しさは有りつつも距離感は程よい若者同士の恋愛、 だいすきは愛が溢れて溢れて堪らない!どうかしちゃう! という様な印象を感じた。 もしかしてエス君に言われた事気にしすぎて事実はこうなんじゃないか。 というか、そうに決まってるわ って考えちゃってるんじゃ… 記憶を塗り替えちゃった説もある…? 分かりやすく「身勝手な女」の方がリアルな背景で、幸せな時間の方はかなりフィルターがかかってる、エフェクト加工されてる、みたいな感じに見える。 2:17 のラスサビの所とかは画面がうねって砂嵐も起きてマヒルさんは迷ってるんじゃないかな… そもそも「愛なんですよ」の時は起きたら突然の出来事!って感じだったのに、「だいすき」だと自分のやった事を自覚しているのでは… 「自分は彼氏を愛してる。まあ彼氏からしたらこんな感じだと自覚はしてるんだけどね?」ってイメージ。 愛なんですよの時はまだ突然の出来事に関して楽しい思い出で耐えようとしている心中なのかなって思ったけど… ミルグラムはあくまで客観的なMVではなく、囚人本人の心理が分かるものだから、取り敢えず今はマヒルさんのショックによる思い込み説を自分は推す…
@choisok
@choisok Год назад
MAPPI BROKE THE APP AND RIGHTFULLY SO
@gengarts3447
@gengarts3447 Год назад
I think he's dead from the start of the video and then she deludes herself to believing he's still alive when it snaps to the chorus? He looks pale and sucked out throughout the video and we see this especially at 1:56. Maybe at that point he's decaying? I don't know why he's wet at the start of the video though. I think the cake at the end is her viewing her love as sweet but the rats symbolises sickness?
@とと-i5n
@とと-i5n Год назад
「祈祷はマッチの棒一本で足りる(萩原恭次郎 作)」にある「恋人の肉体は廻転木馬(メリーゴーランド)である」と言う言葉を思い出すPV この詩が収録されている本のタイトルが「死刑宣告」
@六花茶
@六花茶 Год назад
もしかしたらと思って英語字幕つけてみたら最後のところが「DIE」になっててめっちゃビビった… ひぇ…
@AKUMEI091
@AKUMEI091 4 месяца назад
第一審も第二審もこう…こう…………他人に攻撃的ではないの……ほん…ほんとう……アァ………
@kamitani_kyouya
@kamitani_kyouya Год назад
なんでI miss youのIないんだろって思ったら 衣食住+愛 miss you の愛が「I」なのか… 区切って考えちゃってた… マヒルさんやっぱ心中でマヒルさんだけ生き残っちゃったのかな… 背景樹海だしそうだよね… けど調べたらmissってお別れの言葉で向こうでも楽しんできてね的なシチュでも使うって出てきてなんか勝手に震えてる:(´◦ω◦`): 衣食住ってやっぱ愛はマヒルさんにとって食事と同じく摂取しなきゃ死ぬもんなのかな… あぁ考察するだけで胸が痛い…😢
@desmond9740
@desmond9740 Год назад
Interpretation: Pay attention to the lyrics in the captions. 0:14 "Clothes Food Shelter + Love and Miss you" Mahiru's boyfriend (I'll call him BF from now on) showered Mahiru with love and affection every time she was feeling sad. This influenced Mahiru and made her think that's how relationships worked (it seemed to be her first, after all) Now, the couple has lost their **home**, are **starving**, and wear **torn and tattered clothes**. 1:35 "Clothes Food Shelter - Love and Miss you" It's now subtraction. BF is in shambles and asks Mahiru for help. Mahiru doesn't know what to do and instead does what BF always did to her in times of stress: shower the other with love and only that. This did not help at all, and BF ended his own life from the stress of their situation. Now, she considers her way of expressing love as a deadly weapon 0:12 "My lethal weapon: "This is how to be in love with you" (which is also the title of her previous song) I didn't use a birdcage analogy for this, but I'm sure it connects in some way.
@desmond9740
@desmond9740 Год назад
On an unrelated note: The instrumental for her cover of "Parasite" reminds me of the nostalgic music you'd hear in fun little ROBLOX games and tutorial videos from 2016-18. It's very comforting!
@nervzlesslygaming2291
@nervzlesslygaming2291 Год назад
Thank you for mentioning this, it makes sense and I see what you meant. With this theory, the cage is a simple metaphor to how the first MV was all in Mahiru's point of view, we are trapped to what she sees, what she feels, what she desires, etc., hence a cage. Unlike this MV where in we are seeing both side of the story. Mahiru's POV is happy and positive, were are her partner's POV is suffering and later negative.
@couldyounotdude3168
@couldyounotdude3168 Год назад
Birdcage connects as it was a way old paintings used to metaphorical represent when a women was *finically* trapped by their partner
@CherriiCola
@CherriiCola Год назад
I wonder if this is mahiru waking up to her toxic habits, and in turn, revealing her partners toxic habits. At the beginning, shes reminiscing on how he fed her and loved her, but when she does the same for him she begins to realise that she was feeding him poison. The carosel representing the constant cycle of toxic codependency, she learned his habits and they ended up trapped together. The partner realised that mahirus intentions werent malicious, but just a reflection of what he had done to her and committed suicide in guilt/response. I don't think mahiru is entirely guilty here.
@jiraiyuno
@jiraiyuno Год назад
ohh i understand now
@nekonelliel
@nekonelliel Год назад
finally someone without the kidnapping theory! she didnt bind him directly and he literally suicided. the voice thing literally says she wasnt a stalker and now some of yall go from stalker to kidnapper
@neidhardt8093
@neidhardt8093 Год назад
This is the most interesting theory so far.
@kasumisylveon
@kasumisylveon Год назад
Watching it over and over again. Her love was too much for him maybe like he was in a bad place mentally and maybe he did that because her loving him too much made him feel guilty or something like that.
@FissionCube
@FissionCube Год назад
imo this makes sense with the audio drama. taking what she says in the audio drama at face value she didnt see her relationship as unhealthy in any way until es says thats what they think happened, and the dramas take place just before the music videos are extracted. if shes thinking about that and coming to the realisation right at the time that the mv is being extracted, her coming to realise it during the process might lead to the kind of thing were seeing in the mv, with the distorted flashes of more negative behaviour amidst the cheery romantic atmosphere of the first video - she thought she was in the right and is now rexamining it, wondering if es could be right and seeing her previous actions in a different light. the ending may then imply that she has decided es was right and she was behaving in a toxic way
@auliez_
@auliez_ Год назад
i love how unlike the other second trial songs, this one is just a reprised version of the first one but what does that mean??? well furthermore it only shows her situation with his possible boyfriend before he killed himself due to starvation, or it seems they've been suffering but mahiru is blissfully looking at the good side of things, probably causing her to hallucinate or implying shes probably supressing her worries, im quiet concerned.
@wanderingghost9098
@wanderingghost9098 Год назад
Mahiru had answered 20 interrogation questions: Q1: What's your opinion on Marriage? A: It's something I really dream of. Q2: How do you feel about your victim? A: I loved him. Q3: Do you usually wear rings? A: I want to. I've been wishing to receive one from my boyfriend after all. Q4: Other than Japanese, what other languages can you speak? A: I chose to learn Chinese in university. But well, I don't think I can go up to speaking. Q5: Did you have a good relationship with your family? A: I think I was what they call a "sheltered girl". I'm thankful to my mom and dad, but perhaps they were a little strict. Q6: Do you think you could forgive Kotoko? A: At least, I don't hold a grudge. It was for something non-negotiable after all. Q7: Are there any fellow prisoners you are on good terms with? A: Since I've been receiving treatment for my injuries, I've been able to talk with Shidou-san alot. Also Yuno-chan as well. Q8: State the meaning of your name. A: May the darkness of the night never come, something like that. Q9: Please draw a sketch of yourself. A: (Cute drawing of her face) Q10: Do you like children? A: Yup. I always dreamed of having the older being a girl, and the younger being a boy. Q11: Tell us about your family composition. A: Dad, mom, Mahiru. Q12: Can you drive a car? A: I have a drivers license. But I'm only a 'paper driver'. Q13: What are your thoughts on Amane's changes? A: If I were healthy, I would want to play with her a lot... Q14: What was your major in university? A: Faculty of literature. Q15: Have you contributed to society? A: I don't think that there's anything that I can say with confidence. Q16: How did you meet your lover? A: We met eyes at the university terrace. I really felt like it was fate. Q17: Tell us about your dating history. A: I attended a girls middle school and a girls highschool, so I didn't date anyone until I started university. Q18: Do you resent the judgement given in the first trial? A: I don't hold any resentment to anything. It's okay, really. Q19: What was your lover like? A: Overall, just a kind person. Q20: What is the ultimate form of Love? A: Being always together.
@rrosachinensis
@rrosachinensis Год назад
at this point not only the characters that need to go to theraphy. the viewers too. and also Es. we need to go to theraphy at this point. knowing some of us alr am fed up w these cases already😭😭🙏🏻
@Archeia
@Archeia Год назад
Mahiru always have stated that a relationship should be about giving and taking since undercover. Mahiru emphasizes this line: "Clothes Food Shelter + Love and Miss you" Which showcases that Mappi is giving more to her boyfriend than what he is providing. One thing to remember is that the boyfriend works at a convenience store...they're not exactly beaming beacons of financial stability. We can see this by the cake the Boyfriend gives versus what Mahiru gives. Another interesting one is 0:15 this bit here. When she sings "理不尽 between 恋&愛" (ENG: "Unfair and stuck between in love and love") But when you listen closely, she's not saying "koi" (恋) and "ai" (愛), instead what she's saying is "Rei" (零) and "ai" (愛) "Zero/Nothing and Love" The carousel has multiple meanings. Let me just list out the relevant ones: Couples usually ride the carousel together. Either in the same horse or different ones as long as they are nearby each other. - Joy and Romance: Carousels are often associated with joy, playfulness, and a sense of enchantment. - Cycles of Love: Carousels can symbolize the cyclical nature of relationships. Love often goes through ups and downs, evolving and changing over time. - Nostalgia and Sentimentality: Carousels often evoke a sense of nostalgia and a longing for the past. It can represent sentimental feelings associated with love and romantic memories. It may symbolize a yearning for past loves, cherished moments, or a desire to recapture the excitement and innocence of early stages of love. - Balancing Acts: Carousels feature horses or other figures mounted on them, this can symbolize the need for balance and stability in relationships. It may suggest that successful relationships require a harmonious balance of individual needs, compromises, and mutual support. - Endless Love: Carousels spin endlessly, representing continuity and timelessness. It can symbolize enduring love and a desire for a love that lasts. It may signify a longing for a love that transcends time, where the intensity and passion remain constant. - Carousels traditionally uses a horse, but in Mahiru's Case, it can also symbolize Devotion and Loyalty. There's a thing since T1 Mahiru keeps doing with her boyfriend...And that's the Breakup Ritual so he could prove to her that he really loves her as much as she does, because... She's giving way more to this relationship. Notice how the Carousel distorts everytime we see the Boyfriend providing to Mahiru. It's because Mahiru right now feels the relationship is not balanced. You can also notice with the carousel and Mappi looking away, I personally believe Mahiru believes that with love they can overcome whatever situation they are in (I'm leading up to it I promise). Notice how one of the poles is a rope. Another thing you will notice in the video, there's a green horse that constantly follows these couple together. Red = Mahiru Blue = BF Green = Something. Most likely money or nature. I'm leaning towards Money. @1:17 ish The Green Horse (Money) following the Blue Horse (BF). Then following Mahiru at her dilapidated safe place. We should also pay attention to Mahiru's lyrics here when the green horse was following 2 red horses. If you think of the green horse as money, you can almost imagine the BF is only staying with Mahiru because of money. The Lyrics allude to it with this imagery @1:31 Notice over here, the moment the green horse disappeared, they look like battered people. Mappi is the only one smiling. The chorus is probably the scariest part of the MV! Mahiru: What you trampled is my, “This is how to be in love with you” Then notice how Mahiru sings this segment, it's the POV of the BF: Boyfriend: This can’t go on, something’s got to give, I even love saying the words, “I love you” My emotions are out of control, that’s inconvenient? I don’t care! Tell me, oh tell me why, are you not here anymore? One thing I noticed immediately, why is there blood on the Boyfriend's clothes that wasn't there in the previous panels? So, for the young people here and don't know what's happening here, there are cases where someone falls in love and completely changes as a person. Their lives started to revolve around you and become obsessive. I think this is what happened to Mahiru. The Boyfriend I feel is asking, what happened to you? Where was the Mahiru I loved? Mahiru doesn't understand what he's saying and instead thought he wanted more out of her. This entire scene can be seen as Mahiru trying to provide love and support to their partner despite their circumstances, but perceiving that their efforts are met with disappointment or an unhealthy dynamic. The dead rat could represent a realization of negative aspects or a loss of trust in the relationship. Because immediately after, we see the carousel only filled with Red Horses, which I mentioned earlier could symbolize Mahiru('s love) taking over. There is also an interesting sequence that happens. Green -> Disappears First Blue -> The BF (eventually his dead body). Bonus Symbolism Post: A tea set + living room commonly symbolizes communication. A tea set often represents hospitality, social interaction, and harmony. It can symbolize a welcoming atmosphere, connection with others, and the sharing of conversations and experiences. A broken tea set typically represents disruption, disharmony, or a sense of loss. It may symbolize a fracture in relationships, communication breakdown, or a disturbance in the peaceful and harmonious atmosphere that the tea set represents.5
@couldyounotdude3168
@couldyounotdude3168 Год назад
Aaaa this is so good, I'd like to mention however that it's kinda unlikely we're ever seeing the boyfriend's actual pov as this music video is litterally taken from mahiru's mind. It's what she thinks the boyfriend meant more likely
@Archeia
@Archeia Год назад
@@couldyounotdude3168 Yes that's what I was also thinking! It's a bad wording on my part!
@cordyC
@cordyC Год назад
"But when you listen closely, she's not saying "koi" (恋) and "ai" (愛), instead what she's saying is "Rei" (零) and "ai" (愛) "Zero/Nothing and Love"" She actually says "ren & ai", 恋 can be read as 'ren' and 恋愛 as a whole word is "ren'ai" - romantic love.
@monbub
@monbub Год назад
the green horse theory is amazing! it makes sense now, I definitely think he stayed with her for money or something temporary while she was lead to believe the relationship was something more
@starpeep5769
@starpeep5769 4 месяца назад
​@@cordyCyeah... And 恋 is romance, infatuative love, 愛 is more wholehearted
@bloomingrequiem4137
@bloomingrequiem4137 Год назад
I think in this MV just portrayed that Mahiru was looking on their relationship completely through rose tinted glass (until her boyfriend dies) since background and atmosphere flickers from idealized prespective with pink background and Mahiru's pink glimmer in eyes to a reality where only her boyfriend was realizing that it's all wrong (due to their facial expressions changes in 1:30-1:33 transition, where Mahiru expression stays the same so she doesn't see it). About comments with Mahiru feeding her boyfriend rats I sticking to a side that she just replicates her boyfriend's actions. He fed her the same strawberry cake in the beginning, it's just not shown to us as a rat because it was in Mahiru's rose tinted glass reality. I'll vote forgiven since girl just needs therapy to get a realization and not to look at everything in relationship through rose tinted glasses
@agnesteodocio746
@agnesteodocio746 Год назад
what we exspected of Mahiru: a hopeless romantic who just wants to be loved what we got: SOMEONE GIVE THIS GIRL SOME THERAPY
@capririusart3826
@capririusart3826 Год назад
Its a bit of both, dont you think?
@senritsujumpsuit6021
@senritsujumpsuit6021 Год назад
@@capririusart3826 second Trial she up an says she will keep this pain and praises Es for working hard like her lover an this breaks him So yeah she's loaded
@untameablepasta
@untameablepasta Год назад
this is too mild, my expectation of her kinda be more extreme 😳
@lunar_proxy
@lunar_proxy 8 месяцев назад
bestie deep in the obsessive love and denial
@user-zr7yd7er6d
@user-zr7yd7er6d Год назад
第一審MVをふまえると美容院の担当と話したりバイトしたりできるだけの社会性があって(友達の描写こそなかったけれど…)大学に通えているなら知能指数も問題がない、発達らしい描写もなかった、親戚の結婚式に参列した感想がポジティブなものだったから家庭環境も悪くなさそう…とメンヘラになる素地があんまり見つからない子なんだよなあ。こんな子が「ふつうの恋愛」でここまで重くなる?はじめての恋愛はだれでも多少は重くなるものだろうけれど、死を選ぶまで?とそこが引っかかっている ケーキ=ネズミ説に則るならネズミを先に与えたのは彼氏の方だし、はじめての彼氏に問題があったことで精神に異常をきたした可能性はあると思う
@Sa-wn3qj
@Sa-wn3qj 2 месяца назад
No one: Mahiru: 2:15 here, you have rat.
@user-qe2vk7tg9g
@user-qe2vk7tg9g Год назад
2:14 ここ好き
@Eskun8998
@Eskun8998 Год назад
same
@AMANE_0402
@AMANE_0402 Год назад
ねずみ無理やり食べさせられてる彼氏で草
@helloex-6767
@helloex-6767 Год назад
​@@AMANE_0402 笑顔で彼氏さんにネズミちゃんを食べさそうとしているその場面で 彼氏さんの姿見た時ニヤニヤしてしまってる私はヤバいだろうか…
@Alieswing
@Alieswing Год назад
I'm not trying to start a argument or anything not saying people are wrong or anything, but this video kinda is heart clenching in a way just seeing the carousel spinning and as time goes on it becomes destroyed just makes me think about how relationships start off so dream like and overtime this feeling dies and can't go on and usually one person is left sad because they really wanted them to be the one but wasn't even if those promises that there'll be a "together forever" but come out short with nothing but the memories that were made. I can't help but feel bad when she can't grasp it because this is her first life and she thought the way they loved was right and was happy with it but yet the other couldn't do it like her, I dunno if they were actually together or not or maybe it was just a thing but never was really officially set in stone. There's so much about it and I really do wish I could know more about the character but hearing her say she's okay with everyone calling her guilty for a suicide even if it hurts her not because being called guilty but her feeling you just hate her is kinda sad even if it's some type of manipulation or not I dunno I just feel bad watching this video for the part that is a harsh truth that even hurts me when it comes to people and time alone. But this is just a ramble nothing more lol I hope whoever watches this has a nice day. 💗🐾
@iciarsoto8860
@iciarsoto8860 Год назад
I think at this point is very likely they were truly dating
@Alieswing
@Alieswing Год назад
@@iciarsoto8860 Mhm
@ちょばっ
@ちょばっ Год назад
気になったのを調べてみました (すでに書いてる人がいたらすみません) こじつけ感は半端ないけれども、調べてみたら皆さんの考察に通ずるところもあったのでコメントします ぐにゃぐにゃ歪むシーンがあるので「幻覚や妄想、夢の中」だと仮定 〈メリーゴーランドの夢〉 ⚪︎スピードが遅く刺激が少ないため、外見的な満足と内面の不満を感じている ⚪︎ぐるぐる回る乗り物は思考が堂々巡りになっていることを暗示 ⚪︎メリーゴーランドのようなきらきらした妄想に浸りがちで、現実をみることができない 〈恋人と乗る夢〉 ⚪︎きらびやかな恋愛をしていながらも満足していない ⚪︎誰もが羨むような関係を営んでいても退屈を感じている ⚪︎いずれにせよ、関係の破綻が近いことを暗示 〈メリーゴーランドが動き出す夢〉 ⚪︎思考の堂々巡りの始まり ⚪︎夢想的・妄想的になりやすい ⚪︎何かに依存したり、逃げることも暗示している 〈メリーゴーランドが止まる夢〉 ⚪︎悩みの解消や妄想の終わり ⚪︎関係におけるけじめも意味している 〈ネズミを食べる夢〉 ⚪︎身近な厄介者を消滅させたいという深層心理 ⚪︎嫌な問題や苦痛を無かったことにしたい ⚪︎苦痛を感じながらも逃げられない問題を抱えている ⚪︎近いうちにトラブルに見舞われる ただ、サイトによっては「食べづらいものを食べる=困難でも無難に対処できる」とプラスっぽく書いてるものもあるのでこれはちょっと無理やりな気もします 以上です
@mol7330
@mol7330 Год назад
フータは間接的に自○に追いこんで後悔をしてるのが伝わってくるけど、マヒルは罪悪感が全くなく私何かしちゃった?って感じが怖さを倍増させてる…
@tataratakanegamer
@tataratakanegamer Год назад
i hesitated bringing up before but i've seen a few ppl on twitter point it out so i'll put it here too as things to consider: - the "cake" at the end of the mv was ALSO fed to mahiru at the start, in the same lovey dovey light. whether or not this was the reality or whether her bf was also giving her """cake""" is up to interpretation, but it's not something to gloss over when the whole MV is part of a bigger picture - both of theme seemed ragged from the relationship, i think they were both just... not happy, but in the VD, mahiru held no resentment to es or even kotoko, meaning she might've genuinely deluded herself into believing her suffering in the name of love was "normal" because this was her first relationship and the whole "this is fate!" stuff she brought up was said may have absolutely made it worse. it's pretty consistent that mahiru takes things a bit straightforward and even in the VD she mentions needing help having smth explained, so it's possible she 100% agreed with her bf up until he realized he'd fucked up BIG time and now in comparison to his toxic love had a demoncore gf. - to sort of add onto the above point, mahiru's T1 notes within the MV gradually build up her going "oh i like that too!" first as a mistake to gain his approval (commenting on how she'd bought a bunch of bread he liked and now didn't know what to do with it), before it turned into "omg we match sooo well he even likes the same stuff I like!!" which CAN be interpreted as her mirroring her bf. going back to the first point, he fed her the "cake", she fed him it back. :shrug: - while i didn't take it too seriously, i really don't think she's going to "live" if she's guilty voted. even if she can't off herself, she might end up just. completely devoid of warmth and become a human zombie with no more will to live, complete depression and whatnot. i truly believe she might end up like that if she DOESNT die for real because going off the VD, if she really only stayed alive/kept herself together in the name of love, then if we deny her even that and tell her EVERYTHING she's doing is wrong, what else can she do? vote how you like, i've seen a few people stay 100% on the guilty vote because yeah abusive/toxic relationships are a no-no, and some people always vote guilty just cuz they like their faves to suffer. personally i'm voting inno because i'm full stop doubling down on my theory she mirrored her bf which included his toxic traits and ended up smothering him in both genuine love and the toxicity that was brewing in their relationship as a whole. just bringing up some of these points because some people have only been zoning in on the ending scene and not connecting it back to the beginning scenes and it was bugging me a bit 👍
@tataratakanegamer
@tataratakanegamer Год назад
artist on twt pointed out smth that hurt me LOL her bf at 0:45 gave her what looks to be a small bite, at 2:08 not only is the piece bigger but she even gave him a strawberry she really truly believed she was making him happy as he had, and even tried to do more.... :,) im okay (lying through my teeth)
@Byssa6
@Byssa6 Год назад
Fun fact: in the French subtitles at 2:11 capitalize the letters M O R and T which spell out “mort” the French word for death
@senritsujumpsuit6021
@senritsujumpsuit6021 11 месяцев назад
fancy
@美しい絶望
@美しい絶望 Год назад
食欲ない眠れないこのフレーズを聞いただけでマヒルさんの身体状況が分かる
@luca-vs1gp
@luca-vs1gp Год назад
第一審でも指摘されてたけど、マヒルのヒトゴロシ=男性の自殺(首吊りだと筋肉の弛緩等で体液が垂れ流しになるらしく、冒頭みたいになる)で確定かな。第一審の最後の驚いた顔は死体見た時の顔か…。 第一審はファッション誌風の楽しげだった感じだったけど、今回の荒廃したメリーゴーランドとか森の中の不気味な感じって、もしかして「男性から見たマヒルさんとの思い出、もしくはマヒルさんへの感情」なのではないかな…。男性を喜ばせるためにケーキを与えてるマヒル(マヒル視点)と、口にするのもおぞましいネズミを飢えを満たす食べ物として押し付けられてる男性(男性視点)。 キラキラした楽しげなティーセットやメリーゴーランドもマヒルが恋愛に舞い上がっていたからそう見えていただけで、男性からしたら第一審であった「内緒で家に上がり込んでご飯を作る」って行き過ぎた愛情表現は荒れ果てた風景や痩せこけた自分に反映されてるみたいに辛かったのかも…。 何にせよ、まだキラキラした恋愛に浮ついた感情が見えている分、自分が男性を追い詰めた自覚や罪悪感はなさそうだし、好きだと伝えて悪いの…?みたいな感じにも思えてしまった。
@luca-vs1gp
@luca-vs1gp Год назад
歌詞で「好きを言うのが好き」って言ってるし、君のためなら何でもできるって趣旨の言葉もあるから、自分の「好き」に基づいた行動なら、相手の感情を無視してやっちゃう、それが許されると思ってるんだろうなあ。悪気がない加害だから出る言葉なんだよ…
@Laimary
@Laimary Год назад
Can't imagine what would be shown after first trial😨 Hope Mahiru would be alright, waiting for second song🧡
@Distortedlove17
@Distortedlove17 Год назад
I think shes alright. As i thought from trial one she didnt kill anyone, her actions lead to a death instead. Similar to Futa.
@genericyoutubecommentchann7418
I hear people saying that she was abusing him, but it sounds like she was trying her best to make him happy, but it just wasn’t having the effect she wanted. - She was shoving a dead mouse in his mouth, but she thought she was feeding him cake with the strawberry. (What he was doing to her but with a little extra.) - “My love, it scored an own goal, destroyed my love and me with its weight.” She was trying to do the right thing, but it just worked in the opposite direction. - “why can’t I just do it right” same as above. Update: Okay, here’s my current theory. In her first trial video, on Day 16, the day he “slides into the sewer” (I assume that was the day he did it, because Mahiru is wearing the same clothes in that picture as when she found him… y’know) Mahiru made him a very large meal expecting him to be happily surprised by it. She probably did this because he was in a bad place and she wanted to cheer him up (as depicted by him in the forest starving). She was practicing her cooking and thought it would be great, but in reality, her cooking was awful and tasted like dead mouse. But he didn’t want to disappoint her and ate it without telling her it was bad. And she didn’t pick up on this and thought her meal was as tasty as a cake. I think their relationship was likely full of misunderstandings like these, and it lead to the “sewer sliding.”
@stars4809
@stars4809 Год назад
I really doubt that she would be in Milgram if her actions were as mild as being bad at cooking. I think there's a lot of different degrees of bad she could fall into ranging from just super clingy to full on S/A; those are very different but both likely to be seen as just trying to love someone from the perpetrator's perspective. Her saying in the first MV that she wanted matching pain and all also implies that her ideas of what a good relationship is and how to get there are both very warped. I don't think her trying to help him and her abusing him are mutually exclusive, but at the moment it's still pretty unclear just how far her actions went.
@genericyoutubecommentchann7418
@@stars4809I don’t think everything she did was mild, but I personally think the scene in the forest is trying to depict the dinner before the incident on Day 16, so I was trying to make out what was going on. Obviously their relationship was already in an unstable place by that point, as they were already walking in the forest, so I don’t think he did what he did just because the food was bad. I think the dinner was just the icing on the cake. In her first video, we saw she would wake him up at inconvenient times at night and seemingly get angry with him. Even though she apologized, I imagine that didn’t do well for his confidence in communicating with her. (For example, he probably wouldn’t feel comfortable being honest about her cooking if he knew how easily she could get upset.) And as far as “let’s have matching pain” goes, I think it’s important to note that that isn’t what the original lyrics translate to. The Japanese lyrics are: Itami wa osoroi desho? I don’t speak Japanese, but based on some dictionary referencing, the words translate to: Itami = pain wa = is (varies based on context) Osoroi = matching Desho = right?/isn’t it?/I think (meaning depends on context) So it translates more accurately to: The pain is matching, right? That opens another interpretation that Mahiru thought he hurt the same amount as her when he was actually hurting more. Which is reinforced by this video showing them both in the forest, but she was still able to walk. There have been many other instances of mistranslations in the other songs’ English lyrics, so I can’t say whether it was a mistake or if that’s what they really meant, but I think that’s important to consider seeing how often people judge her guilty based on that line.
@stars4809
@stars4809 Год назад
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418 You raise some good points. I'm still a little alarmed by her grabbing motions in her first video before she jumps in the pile and her talk of her love being so strong she can't hold it back anymore, but I think how far that goes is still vague enough it's unclear. Frankly I'm probably voting inno either way just because I want her to be safe but I feel like in general we need more info on how far things went.
@mzz6992
@mzz6992 Год назад
もし樹海で歩く描写が比喩ではないのなら、どう考えても服装が普通のアウトドアのデートではないな… 元々心中目的で樹海を彷徨って、彼氏が怖気付いたせいでずるずる生きたまま遭難してしまったのかな…?
@mizuha1511
@mizuha1511 Год назад
「愛なんですよ」の‪Day.16まで続いてるあの日記、書いてある事本当にやってたことかもしれないけど、 あれ、もしかして、樹海で遭難した日数??そして、現実逃避してるマヒルの妄想……??? 間違ってるかもだからユルシテー。
@rrosachinensis
@rrosachinensis Год назад
again, to remind you people, these cases are about whether you want to forgive what they did or not. in my opinion, for Mahiru, I forgive her. as someone who doesn't really know anything about romantic love, and never dated anyone before, I suppose we can give her a second chance. i mean, she said in the voice drama that this was her first love. she just need a love therapist to tell her things that she can do or not do in a relationship. i do know their love was toxic, but she didn't know because all she did was loving him (in the wrong way possible, just like he did to her). Mahiru my girl, you need to know the red flags in relationship! you deserve better and need to do better! i love your sweet side but you need to settle down and took off your rose tinted glasses for a bit. don't forget to take a look in the mirror and reflect about your relationship and how both of you driving it off. all you need is tiktok or psych2go channel, so you can know the things in yourself that you need to change.
@來麦-r6p
@來麦-r6p Год назад
「MVは囚人の心象を表したもの」ってことは、マヒルさんが本当に彼ピにケーキを食べさせてるつもりならネズミを押し付けてる描写もボロボロのまま徘徊している描写も出てこないよな…… つまり、マヒルさんはネズミを食わせていることをわかった上でケーキを食べさせているような気分だったってことになるのだろうか。だとしたら、その、1サビで食べさせてもらってたケーキって………………………
@佐藤-w4z4r
@佐藤-w4z4r Год назад
ケーキを食べさせてる時はネズミ食わせてるなんて思ってなくて後で知った、とか…
@ponchi_ama
@ponchi_ama 8 месяцев назад
自殺してしまった事実は目の当たりにしてるから「自分のせいかもしれない」っていうのが心象風景に現れててもおかしくないかな……とは思いましたね…。
@kyuubear8158
@kyuubear8158 Год назад
I'm still so conflicted-- but her CD audio tells me she hasnt learned anything about herself and that she'd go right back into this habit if she was in the real world. So for that the gets guilty from me even tho I feel bad for her T>T
@へぱりーぜ-y9q
@へぱりーぜ-y9q Год назад
おみほの表現力えぐくて鳥肌
@MariaWarrenWrites
@MariaWarrenWrites Год назад
So something I noticed, is he gets injured sometime between 1:33 and 1:55, a blood spot on the right side of his chest, I'm going to wait until I hear her voice drama, but seeing that makes me lean toward she's less innocent in this
@couldyounotdude3168
@couldyounotdude3168 Год назад
Mahiru's dead boyfriend has alot of inconsistencies, such as- First shot, we sees his blue, has bruised feet (top of the foot is brushed too, unlikely all the bruises came from walking in the forest barefoot), and is dripping wet. It could be body fluid, but he has no other signs of decomposition (no bloating, no fallen off nails, ect). Second time we see the boyfriend, he's bloody and his feet aren't bruised but are scratched, he's also starving it seems. The blood is right where his heart would be (the lyrics even reference it I think? "This loving adorable 💖 is bleeding, wailing" but the context makes it sound like it's talking about Mahiru's heart so idk) , but I'm not sure about why there's blood on his sleeve Final time we see his body, there's no blood and he isn't wet. And he skim (probably cause of the lighting) looms greenish grey too me
@CassieTheMagicWolf
@CassieTheMagicWolf Год назад
I think people who are calling Mahiru abusive even after watching this need to understand that it's possible to be toxic without being abusive. Being abusive requires some level of awareness of what you're doing, and part of that awareness is recognizing that there is a power imbalance. That isn't the case here- at least, not until the end. When people are in love, it tends to cloud their better judgement and make them oblivious to anything that could possibly be wrong about the relationship. Considering this is Mahiru's first time being in love and her boyfriend took the lead and fed her cake first, it's pretty clear that Mahiru genuinely believed that this was normal and this was what love was supposed to be, and didn't realize that everything was wrong until it was too late. It does seem like to an extent she was starting to recognize some flaws in the relationship, but again, when people are in love, they tend to brush off those flaws and view them as normal until things reach a breaking point. I'm voting innocent. It seems like Mahiru feels guilty for what she did and understands the weight of the situation to me.
@d8nny_phant0m
@d8nny_phant0m Год назад
So this mv basically confirms what a lot of people thought in the first one. Mahiru always lived her life in sunshine and rainbows as we can see in the sudden shifts in the music video. When the boyfriend is on the ground after he can't keep up with Mahiru. (possibly pleading to Mahiru???) It pulls her into reality but only for a second as we see the shift of her feeding him the rat/cake. Only after her boyfriend offs himself does she get a harsh reality check. Now personally to me, she's innocent I think Mahiru is just the type of person who doesn't like conflict and she knows her emotions are out of control, she also feels like she cant love right because she thinks that if she just LOVES her boyfriend it'll help him (obviously it didnt lol) which would explain why she chooses to live in her own little Delusion. ALSO, The rat she tries to feed him could possibly be her way of trying to push him into a delusional life with her? hence why to her it's cake when in reality it's a dirty rat. (Edit) Ive seen some say she couldve kidnapped him? but idk In the first minute of the mv the Boyfriend is shown to have given the love in the relationship first? and then Mahiru just fell head over heels for him, as she says shes "Monstrously in love"
@eik332
@eik332 Год назад
「大問題」の題がdieっていうのもそうですし、 「大大大だってすきすき」の大もdieな気がします。 1か月前に別の動画に、タイトルが「愛なんdeathよ」「dieすき」っていう説をコメントしたのですが、まさか本当になるとは... 報われてくださいマヒルさん
@kogamimanyu
@kogamimanyu Год назад
これよく考えたらケーキがネズミになるうえに文字もホラーになるシーンって、昔のマヒルさん視点と今のマヒルさん視点なのかもしれない辛い。 ミルグラムMVって囚人の心をMVにしてたはずだし…。そう考えたらマヒルさんが加害してる怖いシーンも今マヒルさん自身が思ってる事なんじゃないかな…と思って。 昔自分はケーキをあげてる気持ちだったけど、今当時を思い出したら自分が大好きな人に笑顔で酷い事してるおぞましい人だと思ってる感じする。相当後悔してるんだな…。 優しくしたつもりだったのにズタズタに加害してしまったって自分を責めまくってる気持ちありそう。 認めてくれない事が辛いとか愛を踏みにじられた悲しい苦しい怒ってるって感情もあるだろうけど、自分の愛し方と生き方はこれしか出来ないのに否定されたならそうなるのも当然な気がする。 好きな人を無自覚でズタボロにして嬲り殺してしまって追い詰められてるのに自分自身と自分の1番大切なものを「そんなゴミ捨ててしまえ!」って言われた辛さなんじゃないかしら。そう思ったら泣いちゃった…😢 愛する行為自体をアイデンティティに感じてる気がするから、愛する事を否定して奪う事はマヒルさんは殺されるより辛い事なのかもしれない。 激しい罪悪感で自己否定してるのに他人からも否定されたらたしかに辛すぎて「何で認めてくれないの!!?」ってなるなぁ…。 でも好きな人を殺してしまった自分自身に1番怒ってそう。怒ってるし責めてるけど、「でもこういうやり方しか出来ないのにどうしたら良いの!!?(混乱)(絶望)」って心ん中ぐちゃぐちゃになってそう。 私は赦したいなぁ…。赦してもマヒルさんの愛し方は変わらないと思うけど、赦さなくても愛し方変わらないだろうしマヒルさんロストもしそう。それだと実質「変われないので死刑になった」みたいな感じで私は悲しいからマヒルさんがもしこれからも加害者のままだったとしても私は赦したい……😢
@cinnibunbun7389
@cinnibunbun7389 Год назад
I NEVER understood the notion of Mahiru being a 'stalker girl,' when the reason she began to act so clingy was since her boyfriend was so distant. For example, day 14 of Mahiru's blog entry states 'I really wanted to go, I begged him to come with me!' So we can infer her boyfriend doesn't pay much attention to her. Another one as well, on their first date, we see that her boyfriend nearly drinks himself unconscious! And, of course, Mahiru doesn't pay any mind to that. "Then, why cover Psychogram?" DECO*27 has stated once before that "The songs each prisoner covers do not correlate to their pre-existing storylines." And of course, Mahiru knows her happiness derives from her relationship with her boyfriend completely, so she obviously doesn't want to leave him. One other thing, that may be somewhat of a stretch, it may explain Mahiru's doubt in herself. Her character bio states "I may be incompetent, but I'm so happy meeting you!"
@bananasplitman9
@bananasplitman9 Год назад
This is kind of a silly theory, but I remember in the first MV, they went out camping for a date. What if they got lost during that camping trip and that ended with the boyfriend's death? It would explain their tattered clothes and emaciated appearance in the forest scene in this MV. As well as why Mahiru is trying to feed him a dead rat: It was their only food source. Also, is it just me or does the corpse seem... wet at the beginning?
@Hibiscuitsy
@Hibiscuitsy Год назад
i dont rlly think the rat was literal, more of a metaphor for mahiru unwillingly feeding him something toxic but was thought as love for her but this is all speculation and ill wait till the voice drama comes out!
@evanchristianA
@evanchristianA Год назад
When people die their muscle relax and it often lead to release of excrement, urine, or drool.
@amsyukine4642
@amsyukine4642 Год назад
Yeah the wet part bothers me too. If it was only at the legs it would be normal, but it came from the arm too. I like your theory but I don't think it's the camping because they were other entries after. But a life-or-death situation after an accident is probable, he has blood on his jacket after all.
@夜型人間-g9d
@夜型人間-g9d Год назад
映像もなんとなくループしてる!すご 彼氏さんの自〇姿→幸せな日々→そんな毎日が壊れて彼氏さんが… みたいな…
@maixmilq_34
@maixmilq_34 9 месяцев назад
[Verse 1] Ishokuju plus ai, miss you "Raishu aemasu ka?" no kadentsu Yurusarenai ikigai mou iki mo dekinai Kyouki wa watashi no ainandesu yo Minna wa yokute watashi wa dame nante Rifujin between ren and ai Omoikara omoi kara suteyouda nante Sonna no zettai muri muri muri muri [Interlude] Haa, shokuyoku nai Nemurenai Kami mo bosabosa [Verse 2] Korekara dou ikiteikeba iino Oshiete kurena kya watashi ni narenai Ishokuju minus ai, miss you Konnani ichizu de kyutona hato ga Chimamire naiteru owarida Anata ga funda no watashi no ainandesu yo [Chorus] Douka shichauyo kono mama ja Sukidayo tte iu no mo sukinanoni Kimochi wa an kontorouru Meiwaku datte joutou Nee doushite nee doushite Mitomete kurenai no [Post-Chorus] Dai dai dai datte suki suki Dai dai dai datte daisuki Dai dai dai datte suki suki Dai mondai [Refrain] Dou (dou) Douka shichau Dou (dou) Douka shicha [Verse 3] Kimi ga ireba hoka no dare mo watashi wa iranai Kimi ga waraerunara donna koto mou Yareru nante omottanda yo Iki ga tsumaru hodo ni shibariageta shiawase wa Mou koko ni wa naiyo Mata aetanara kimi ni nani wo dou iundarou [Verse 4] Ishokuju plus ai, miss you "Raishu aemasu ka?" no kadentsu Yurusarenai ikigai mou iki mo dekinai Kyouki wa watashi no ainandesu yo Ishokuju minus ai, miss you Konnani itto de kyutona hato ga Chimamire naiteru owarida Anata ga funda no watashi no ainandesu yo [Bridge] Douka shichauyo kono mama ja Sukidayo tte iu no mo sukinanoni Kimochi wa an kontorouru Meiwaku datte joutou Nee doushite nee doushite Mou inaino [Chorus] Nee konna ko toshite sukida toka Shikaku nante naiyone, batsudarake Ai de kimeta oungoru Omosugite peshanko Nee doushite nee doushite Watashi wa dekinaino [Post-Chorus] Dai dai dai datte suki suki Dai dai dai datte daisuki Dai dai dai datte suki suki Dai mondai kimi ga sukinanoni Dai dai dai datte suki suki Dai dai dai datte daisuki Dai dai dai datte suki suki Dai mondai
@現実逃避マスター
@現実逃避マスター 10 месяцев назад
マヒルさんは『あなたが踏んだの私の愛なんですよ』というけども マヒルさんはマヒルさんで、彼の“人としての尊厳”を踏み躙ってた感あるんですよねぇ…… (ボイスドラマからの憶測)
@azul4916
@azul4916 Год назад
Idk how to vote her because she clearly didn't mean to treat her boyfriend so bad and she thought she was being a good girlfriend when in reality she wasn't, but also, she was so (willingly?) blind to every sign that he might be suicidal (i kinda feel like she didn't WANT to see it, and that's kinda the worst). Aside from that and as always, the mv is amazing at depicting how she felt at that time, and the song is just great. Also i was so shocked about how the dai from daisuki becomes die at the end, such a great way to put it, in her mind she just said she loved him but it wasn't actual healthy love so it just made it worse for him 💔 I love mahiru as a character and im very excited to see how her trial turns out
@idkonaname1511
@idkonaname1511 Год назад
OH OKAY, SO MAHIRU MAY BE DELUSIONAL. UM, LET ME PROCESS THIS. Okay, so I think Mahiru may have been deluding herself this whole time, completely living in a fantasy of this cute love story. However, all her actions were actually abusive to her partner so he killed himself because he couldn't take it anymore. I think because we voted her guilty, we sort of disillusioned her? Like we're seeing less of the lovey dovey fantasy in the first MV and more of the reality of the situation. BUT OMG THIS MV HIT HARD. I DIDN'T THINK WE'D SEE THAT MUCH.
@Yurin_zzz
@Yurin_zzz Год назад
Apparently, she didn't know that her love was something bad, that for her it was a healthy relationship and she only realized it after her boyfriend's suicide, so voting for her as guilty doesn't bother me It seems like a good option, and there is also a possibility that she will end up dying because her situation is so delicate I'm also a little confused on how to judge her but I think I'll go as innocent
@icey020
@icey020 Год назад
Mahiru second trial verdict : INNOCENT 69.84%
@xhromebook
@xhromebook Год назад
I'M SO EXCITED!!!! CAN'T WAIT TO COME BACK WHEN IT'S OUT
@jjcreator8886
@jjcreator8886 Год назад
Although the scene with the forest and mouse could have been figurative, I have a theory if it’s taken more literally. Maybe they actually lost their necessities. We saw in the first MV that Mahiru wanted to spend every waking moment with the guy (if you don’t hug me our hearts will start drifting apart) it seems like she wanted to hold onto the love so much that she felt they had to be together every second. I think maybe she quit her job to spend more time with him and with her calling him super early on the phone every morning and forcing him to wake up she consumed his life and made him so exhausted he lost his job. It also seemed like they were spending a lot of money in the first one with the first one features a shopping catalogue, and scenes where like she gets her hair done, and they go out for fancy dinners. Maybe then ran through all of their money got into debt and because they both no longer had jobs they couldn’t pay it off so they lost their home and could no longer afford food or new clothes. She sees love as more important than other vital possessions so in her mind everything is still happy and wonderful because she still has “love” but in reality they’re having to eat mice to survive. She perceives it as cake and doesn’t mind but the lifestyle is too much more the guy and he decides he can’t take it anymore
@wanderingghost9098
@wanderingghost9098 Год назад
Mahiru's second trial result: *INNOCENT* (69.84%) Mahiru had answered 20 interrogation questions: Q1: What's your opinion on Marriage? A: It's something I really dream of. Q2: How do you feel about your victim? A: I loved him. Q3: Do you usually wear rings? A: I want to. I've been wishing to receive one from my boyfriend after all. Q4: Other than Japanese, what other languages can you speak? A: I chose to learn Chinese in university. But well, I don't think I can go up to speaking. Q5: Did you have a good relationship with your family? A: I think I was what they call a "sheltered girl". I'm thankful to my mom and dad, but perhaps they were a little strict. Q6: Do you think you could forgive Kotoko? A: At least, I don't hold a grudge. It was for something non-negotiable after all. Q7: Are there any fellow prisoners you are on good terms with? A: Since I've been receiving treatment for my injuries, I've been able to talk with Shidou-san alot. Also Yuno-chan as well. Q8: State the meaning of your name. A: May the darkness of the night never come, something like that. Q9: Please draw a sketch of yourself. A: (Cute drawing of her face) Q10: Do you like children? A: Yup. I always dreamed of having the older being a girl, and the younger being a boy. Q11: Tell us about your family composition. A: Dad, mom, Mahiru. Q12: Can you drive a car? A: I have a drivers license. But I'm only a 'paper driver'. Q13: What are your thoughts on Amane's changes? A: If I were healthy, I would want to play with her a lot... Q14: What was your major in university? A: Faculty of literature. Q15: Have you contributed to society? A: I don't think that there's anything that I can say with confidence. Q16: How did you meet your lover? A: We met eyes at the university terrace. I really felt like it was fate. Q17: Tell us about your dating history. A: I attended a girls middle school and a girls highschool, so I didn't date anyone until I started university. Q18: Do you resent the judgement given in the first trial? A: I don't hold any resentment to anything. It's okay, really. Q19: What was your lover like? A: Overall, just a kind person. Q20: What is the ultimate form of Love? A: Being always together.
@アバンギャルド-i5k
@アバンギャルド-i5k Год назад
詳しい状況は分からないんだけど、マヒルの大好きな人とならどこでも楽しくてその人のためなら何でもできるって人で、その重さ(一途さ)が彼氏さんを追い詰めたんだろうな 世間的に見て異常でもマヒルにとってはそれが普通の愛で、って考えると第一審で赦されなっかったのも彼氏さんにそれを拒まれたのも辛すぎる……
@justsassygirl488
@justsassygirl488 Год назад
OMG I CANNOT WAIT BUT AT THE SAME TIME IM NOT READY FOR SEEING MY GIRL IN SUFFERING
@곤키르좋
@곤키르좋 Год назад
While I do agree that Mahiru didn't deserve what happened to her, some of you have to realize that she isn't a complete saint herself either. She's been constantly idolizing a toxic relationship and claiming it's 'love', she doesn't seem like she realizes what she's done wrong nor does she want to stop either (like what she said in T2 that being told her love was wrong was like being told to stop living) even though this very same love had most likely driven her partner to his suicide. I do also believe that her partner was also toxic to some degree, but that does not excuse her own actions that led to this degree. She's just a very morally grey case in my eyes... Mahiru probably thought what she's doing is right, but aslong as she doesn't realize what's wrong then there's a likely chance it will happen again. But to be fair, that's also the case with most characters in Milgram. It just doesn't click with me right when people treat Mahiru like some sort of angel that's never done anything wrong when clearly she's done her own fair share of harm in this codependent relationship (they both fed eachother cake), her wrongs are what make her a compelling character so don't wipe them away guys!! 😣
@MiyaFloat
@MiyaFloat Год назад
pop off
@dudeperson2050
@dudeperson2050 Год назад
I still feel like it is wrong to blame someone for someone else’s suicide like I hate to say it but he made the choice to kill himself and the weight of that cannot be put on to someone else
@MiyaFloat
@MiyaFloat Год назад
@@dudeperson2050 i feel the same way i do think she is guilty in the aspect that if she wasnt doing what she was doing he would not have commited suicide but ultimately i agree with you that it was his choice
@iciarsoto8860
@iciarsoto8860 Год назад
I think people, specially those who are conflicted, should wait to see the voicedrama before voting. I can find big motives to not forgive her but also some to do it and so I will wait as I always do. She drove someone to taking his life which is horrible and undenably her fault but she also wasn't aware of this (maybe because she was in denial) and thought that it was love and that if something is love it is okay and obviously repents of what she did even if at the same time she is not able to imagine a life without love. I think it might be possible for her to someday understand how she doesn't have to renounce to love but to her toxic approach to it.
@みお-n8l
@みお-n8l 8 месяцев назад
私はただ純粋に愛に生きるマヒルを赦したい
@にゃん-f7j
@にゃん-f7j Год назад
前回の「愛なんですよ」の方は、dayが進むにつれレイアウトがぐちゃぐちゃになっていくのでマヒルの精神的な安定性が後半なくなっていることを表しているのかなって思いました。 今回MVでは何て言うか、マヒルは現実と解離したものが見えてしまうレベルに達しているような気がします。 うーん比喩なのかどうかわからないシーンをどうとらえるかちょっと難しいけれど、マッピーはきっと意図して殺してないんだよな。これを「赦す」で通していいのか悩む
@hawaiian3578
@hawaiian3578 Год назад
Bro Mahiru's like straight up having a mental breakdown through this whole song 😭
@genericyoutubecommentchann7418
As much as I don’t want Mahiru to be found guilty again, I’m glad this video isn’t making the choice easy. I was getting a little disappointed with this season with how the last two videos seemed to be pushing the audience to vote for one result far more than the other. So I’m happy we’re finally getting some mixed signals from the videos again.
@おじさんではないジュンジュン
メリーゴーランド→王子様が乗っても幸せに進まずにそこにいる場所を回り続ける。 ケーキを与えるマヒルと男の視点→愛情と優しさでケーキを与えてそれが「幸せ」「愛」と思うマヒルとこんな関係を終わらせたいのに終わらせてくれないマヒルに恐怖を感じ、当たれられたものは食べられもしないネズミの死骸 ボロボロのまま逃げる2人→表情の対比がかなり分かりやすい。 愛があれば乗り越えられると思ってる。想い続けてるマヒル 憔悴して限界で歩くのも覚束ない男。 私が気になる所、こんな感じです
@pcrfait
@pcrfait Год назад
TOGETHER.WE CAN STREAM IT UNTIL IT HITS 1M.
@Hearts4kazuhei
@Hearts4kazuhei 5 месяцев назад
THE CHANGE BETWEEN “DAI SUKI” AND JUST “DIE.” I CANT.
@Aural4444
@Aural4444 Год назад
Rather than say if it was her fault or not, I would like to send her to therapy... But I will put her "guilty", because she gives me the feeling that she doesn´t recognize how toxic her relationship with her ex-partner really was, and she will repeat it again if we put her in innocent ..
@Aime0406
@Aime0406 Год назад
1:57 is that part not existing at all ? She’s literally aware of that fact ?
@Aural4444
@Aural4444 Год назад
@@Aime0406 It doesn´t convince me, since she doesn´t come out regretting it, just wondering why he is no longer there
@Aime0406
@Aime0406 Год назад
@@Aural4444 ok wait a second. 1:59 : Saying I love you but doing what I did, I know that I have no right, crossed and covered in sin. - She knows that she can’t tell him I love you after everything she did to him. 2:04 : My love, it scored an own goal - She is saying that her goal with love made a own goal aka that her love wasn’t supposed to go that way. To reach a goal not this goal. 2:05 : destroyed my love and me with its weight. - she is referencing how it’s because her love is overwhelming destroying her love (as love the feelings) but also her love as her boyfriend. (And obviously her because she can’t love him anymore) 2:06 - 2:08 : Tell me, oh tell me why, can’t I just do it right - are you sure you don’t feel it ? Are you sure you don’t grasped it ? Fine… 2:22 : I just love you so much -> even with all this love. - She is wondering why she can’t love correctly despite being in love despite loving him deeply and faithfully. It’s for me very obvious that she is aware of the toxicity of her love. Even if for her, the only time she felt horrible was when he died. Together in the up and the down, it’s all that she needed. I think you need to be remind that it’s Mahiru’s mental space after being accused and blamed again and again. It’s obviously herself showing how she thinks her love is. Beautiful like a dream putting color in this world. But also, horrible but still they were together so no need to complain ‘cuz to enjoy the good you need to face the bad like a couple.
@Aural4444
@Aural4444 Год назад
@@Aime0406 But if you look closely, all this doesn´t convey regret, but evasiveness. She talks as if she had an incurable disease that is beyond her instead of treating it as acts with consequences, not to mention that she talks about the boy as if he had abandoned her, but not as if he had died because of her. I don't get the feeling that her perception of reality has improved, really.
@Aime0406
@Aime0406 Год назад
@@Aural4444 but it’s not the same. Mahiru is a big romantic it’s not surprising to see her love as a disease and she did the same in her first song. I don’t agree ? On the part, where she is talking like he abandoned him. If you take the moment where she is asking why he is not here anymore. You could say that she is acting like that. But with, the whole context of the song it’s literally the other way around. She was saying with confidence her love, how she love saying I love you that no one can stop love and we should give up, that if she’s a problem it’s fine but if that truth why he is not here anymore ? + if you look at all the song it’s more her missing her boyfriend and her relationship thinking she lost her reason to live. She is not acting like she was abandoned by him more like she don’t get why if she’s right he is dead. And suddenly the last refrain make sense since she understood that all of this is because of her love.
@Mary12910
@Mary12910 Год назад
I voted her innocent because she didn't kill him. Her boyfriend killed himself. Mahiru thought she was just showing love to him. So, innocent.
@yamano8978
@yamano8978 Год назад
Mahiru taking delusional on another level
@Hana-motimoti
@Hana-motimoti Год назад
なんかもうマヒルちゃんかわいいねえ!!!彼氏くんもかわいいねえ!!!おそろいだねえ!!!ぐらいのテンションでいる
@reesember
@reesember Год назад
My thoughts are that Mahiru was in a toxic and overwhelming relationship, both ways. The food represented her “affection”, the way she portrayed her love to her boyfriend. Mahiru viewed these actions as sweet and good (strawberry cake), while in reality the way they treated eachother was toxic, overbearing, and detrimental to both of their mental states (rats). I also think it’s worth noting Mahiru being almost cat-like in the PVs- from pouncing into the feathers in T1 to bringing her boyfriend dead rats in this video. Great Pet Care says “Since our house cats regard us as part of their posse, many cats will bring us dead animals (often intact) as a sign of affection”. She loves him, and brings him these dead rats as a gift of her affection (not literal rats, guys), not seeing that these are bad for him. He’s hungry, but Mahiru’s hurtful words may just look like playful teasing to her. He gave her the cake first in the PV, so this harmful treatment, whatever it may be, isn’t one sided. But neither of them can bring themselves to end the relationship and get off the carrousel, despite it causing them so much pain. When you’re wearing rose-colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags. Also, this is Mahiru’s first relationship. The way he treats her, however good or bad it may be, builds the foundation for her perception of “love”. This is clear in the first song, “This is How to Be in Love With You”. Might not be tradition ways of expressing love, but she thinks this is normal! This is good! This is how love is for us, it’s fine! A couple lines that stand out are “We fought sometimes, I was happy to get hurt” and “Let's have matching pain, this sickness is pretty bad”. She doesn’t care if the two are harming one another, she just wants to match that which she believes to be powerful love. She wants to be with him more than anything. If he’s hurt, she wants to hurt as well. She thinks that’s how it works- that they both have to be in mutual pain or feel the same in order to fully love one another. She’s very passionate about this relationship, to the point that she’s suffocating him and moving faster than he can (around 1:40 / 1:45 ). She’s giving as much as she can in quantity, but he can’t deal with all of it. But she’s only giving him more of what he gave her a taste of to begin with, right? They’re both tattered, starving, and suffocating, but she thinks it’s fine because they’re in pain together. Until the only out he sees is through death. Feel free to discuss, these are all just my guesses! The cool thing about Milgram is that there are so many ways to interpret one MV, and we won’t know the full story for quite a while. Thanks for reading my rambling if you got this far, have a lovely day! (TL;DR: Mahiru is giving her boyfriend the affection he gave her. It’s unhealthy for both of them, but that’s the only way she knows to love. Similar to how cats bring rats and other dead animals to their owners, Mahiru was trying to show her boyfriend her love but only hurt him in the nature she expressed it. )
@shoot-u7i
@shoot-u7i Год назад
こんなにボロボロになりながらも"だいすき"って言ってくれてるマヒルさん好きです… 追記 サビになるといきなり曲のテイスト変わるのエグすぎて永遠に聴いてる
@Idkidk-tl1nt
@Idkidk-tl1nt Год назад
What if all the prisoners are dead and Es is deciding whether they’ll go to heaven or hell?
@ryry5663
@ryry5663 Год назад
Maybe ?
@kikikaichan
@kikikaichan Год назад
That is a good theory, and because Yuno asked if she was even alive during her 2nd voice drama. It was speculated her way of abortion is to fall down a flight of stairs to make it happen without going to a medical procedure, but died from it. Mahiru also could have died because her prison card thing showed the suicide forest in Japan. And this MV showed her in the forest with her boyfriend. They could have died there that fit the double suicide theory (but Mahiru failed?) or she went there to go after him. Mikoto and Kotoko could have both gotten beaten to death by those they tried to go after too. Haruka was basically neglected by his mum, and if he's really that mentally not capable, he might have not been able to take care of himself, so death from neglect? Not sure about Fuuta, Muu, Kazui, Shidou and Amane tho, but I suspect Amane was punished so much she snapped and died?
@Idkidk-tl1nt
@Idkidk-tl1nt Год назад
@@kikikaichan these are really good theories!
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