Millionaire 'Chainsaw Landlord' VS Journalist - Heated Debate 

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Rental property is a product, the landlord finds a property, refinished it, cleans and decorates it, brings it up to safe standards, and maintains it.

This guy is obviously highly educated. The problem is that he's pointing out problems with the system. Samuel operates within the system. He doesn't control the system. He has mastered the system but he's not responsible for it. Therefore, really, this guy needs to take his issues to the electorate. If what he says is true and most people would prefer a less capitalist system then its up to most people, ie the electorate, to vote for the system they'd prefer. Until then landlords operate within the system we've got. Survival of the fittest. Nothing more, nothing less.

My god, that was hard to watch, I've been a tenant for years, and never once did I see it as anything other than a business transaction, I paid for a service I was provided, not even the Council give free accommodation you pay them rent 🤦‍♂️ First he says the supermarket argument is invalid as they are producing a good and stealing is then detrimental to the business then says the developer doesn't build the house the builder does, so should profit off the labour. Last I checked, Asda didn't have a mango orchard or a dairy farm out back. They are procuring the services of a farmer, supplier, distributor etc... and then profiting off of that labour with the service they in turn provide. Also, when building a house, who holds the risk ?, the developer, not the builder, the builder provides a service at cost so they do profit, plus if the project falls through and the bank and investors come knocking its not the builder or plumber they come after its the person who instructed the build, you take the risk, you reap the reward.

Without landlords where will these people live?

surely being a landlord is more important than most other jobs

The host has a misunderstanding of basic economics and can't explain why BTL businesses are different from any other business. Any business adds a margin to its good/service. Sainsbury's also buys food cheap and sells it for a profit. Car rental companies buy cars and rent them out for a profit. The issue with the housing market is lack of supply (the host is also ignorant of the fact that we have fewer landlords than in 2016, which coincides with increasing rents). All of the host's suggestions would restrict supply and increase prices. Yes, it's possible for govt to provide housing instead of landlords. Given the way the govt arranges our other public services, I know which system I'd prefer.

Why don’t people see landlords as that being their JOB? Don’t they understand that you have a mortgage to pay and that is your bread and butter. Also you worked hard beforehand to have that home, you wasn’t handed it for free. One word THICK 🙈🤣

Good debate guys. Samuel is mature and clearly very knowledgeable in his trade. Before Margaret Thatcher some rented housing standards were appalling, adding a few more landlords has driven overall standards higher over the years. Anyone taking a risk to create new housing, provide jobs during a build, creating work for property managers after, stimulating our economy, paying taxes back into the system, and then putting in hard work and effort to make life easier for families, single people, people with mental health problems, and the many many people who do not want the responsibility of a mortgage or having to do repairs to their own homes, has my respect.

Oh dear lord, this guy has no idea how the world works adn has always worked...free market etc. His view on risk and landlords is naive if not dillusional. Providing good quality products for a profit is an age old practice, regardless of the product/service - he seems to beleive that everything should be provided for him free...rely on the state - ha ha.

'Why don't you just work a brokie job like me?' God misery really does love company

Samuel prooved the point.!!! The media took the bait n jumped on it, n showed the agenda,, A 2nd crazy, interviewing Samuel lol

I need to thank you Samuel. I started watching you because i found you interesting and of same faith. I watched all your content and was fed up working 80 hours a week for the monetary return - never scared to work hard. I am excellent in hospitality so every business that was for sale i offered very little upfront money - as i didnt have a lot - but the promise of payment weekly. Everyone said no then i got a reply from a lovely couple wanting to retire but no buyer. I got a cafe making £1k profit a week after costs only open 6 hrs a day 5 days a week. The goods and furnishings would be £30k to replace new. I got it for £2.5k down and £100 a week for 175 weeks with a handshake that if i do really well i will pay it quickly. I was amazed to get it but it just shows deals are out there. As soon as i can i need your course so i can reinvest the money i make. I open boxing day 😀 Good luck my brother and thank you 👍

When he said get a job and pay the mortgage whilst ur tenant lives for free. BROKEE

Really good debate and good to hear both sides. Good to see the mutual respect shown at the end.

Smashed It Sam Good jobe Dude and good luck with future projects

Im lost for words, the solutions this guy was talking about was either trust the government ( big question mark on trusting any government ) theres a reason labour got kicked out and a reason Conservatives are hated. Second building societies and co-operatives, can flurish under the capitalist society that we have now. And it speaks volumes when you asked him what he would do if he had £5million not buy a load of houses and rent them out cheap or free, he'd start a business, which the number one thing people need is cheap accommodation.

This guy is deluded and doesn't shut up. Well done Samuel for debating with him even though you couldn't get a word in edgeways.

Oh dear, the interviewer lives on a a different planet.

Just Listening to a few minutes of this podcast, all I can say is that I went to his masterclass back on November 22, and I can honestly say to him that this Sammy is 100% genuine! Not only that I had seen so many of his videos before I went to his masterclass and he really wants people from the lower class to wake up and get hold of the opportunity to get rich, before its too late, but the only problem here is also that SL has now become so famous that everyone is now on to him, we're just waiting for Lyolds bank to nab him just for sake of being one of the biggest landlords in the UK

I watched this video, genuinely open minded and open to learning how "lefties" can justify their position. What I learnt was how illogical the interviewer is. WE ALL make money by solving other people's problems. eg If my problem is that I'd like a coffee, a barista solves that problem by making me a coffee, for which they get paid. A tenant needs a roof over their head, a landlord solves that problem by providing a property, for which they get paid.

The landlords I know have just 1 rental property to diversify their pension investments, and are giving back to society much more than investing in some invisible fund. To suggest they have some sort of social obligation to provide free rent is ignorant at best.

Samual did well to sit calmly through each long winded, clout chasing sweeping statement (instead of questions!) this guy made! No real questions of substance for a real, 2 sided debate! Samual knew the tone from the beginning!

So any rent service's don't provide value this is the point? I can't understand the point?

The one question that needs to be asked by you samuel... If this dream land where you could rent at the same price as the mortgage costs existed... why would you ever want to buy? what would be incentive? you caused a market crash there and then

WTF adam smith 17/1800 & Karl Marx 18/1900 LMAO he is quoting ancient history about Landlords... these were a different breed & monopolies controlling the work houses, land & property, and media narratives and I would agree with him based on that... OMG ttalk about searching the small print for confirmation bias sake!

This guy is on another planet, every example he gives reflects the same as a product or service in every business……!!

This bloke is a bell end. Didn’t agree with anything he said

Interesting & well worth listening to, if even for just the completely contrasting opinions. Thanks for this.

obviously he is fully jabbed

People don't won't to live in shared houses or flats especially family's with children. We need houses. Also I know so many people that have been waiting 2-3 years in hotels and b&bs waiting for council housing. Also people on benefits don't get enough to pay for rent even if they work full time.

This guy on the left is so f-king far out. He needs some property and business knowledge.

90% of this gentleman’s argument seems to be with the government and the banking system. The other 10% is he doesn’t appear to understand providing a service and making a profit. And this is coming from a renter!

I’m really not sure this interviewer has a clue what he’s talking about! Does he really think that landlords don’t have mortgages and expenses to pay on the properties they rent out? If a tenant doesn’t pay his rent and the landlord will lose the property if they the money to pay the mortgage! Then there won’t be any properties to let to tenants! He needs to really get a clue read a book before he calls himself an interviewer! It’s absolutely ridiculous scenario.

You should have brought examples of countries where the regulations chased the landlords from the market. All of sudden there were no properties for rent. Also the standard of living in soacilist/communist countries with no private landlords was very very low. All those socialist should test living in a pure socialist system. They would have woken up quickly!

So if this interviewer went to Cineworld to watch a movie, would he complain that he coudn't take the movie away with him. Some businesses are there to offer a service, you don't have to take away everything that you buy.

Landlords don’t just magically acquire properties, they work hard, pay their taxes & sacrifice other things to save enough for the 25% deposit. I don’t think he realises how much work goes in to renovating & maintaining a property to a good standard. Also, if landlords take the mortgage payment & add on a profit as he claims how does he explain the fact that it’s cheaper to rent than to buy nowadays (especially in major cities). He should really educate himself better before taking such a strong stance & spouting his victim card drivel as fact.

This guy is just a pure socialist. Obviously we can agree that in many areas of the UK rent is high and their are many people that want buy a house but aren't able to and have to rent. But, it seems that his position is that he disagrees with the idea that a person should be allowed to profit from providing capital and taking on risk, and that a person should only profit from labour (he's clearly ignorant to fact that the management and allocation of recourses is a form of labour). Now, if you subscribe to just the idea that an entity should not profit from the provision of capital, then you disband with whole idea of capitalism. So do we get rid of all banks? all lender? how do people buy houses without a mortgage then? Should the government just own all the houses and everyone should rent? Well, who built the houses? The construction companies and developers would have from government contracts. Should they be able to profit off of that enterprise or should the government just nationalise all developers and contractors? You see, you can pretty much expand his ideology to every industry across the economy. And then what do we have? Communism.

So, I'm 15 minutes in watching this interview, and the interviewer is talking crap 🤣🤣🤣. As a landlord, you bought the property (likely still paying a mortgage) so be a good person an let someone live in your property for free while you go and get a job. 🤦🤦🤦. Really? If people don't like paying rent, and they're single or a couple, get a caravan or a tent and live off grid. Much cheaper that way. And yes, that's exactly how I live

He seems ...slow, Just full of emotion and letting that emotion pick his words. he doesnt understand the system so he has no idea what hes actually saying and how dumb it is. MOST property developers earn their money for labour, equipment etc through the rent money they earn via their other rental properties. If you wasnt a landlord you wouldnt have the money to build and supply those 40 + houses that will house 40+ people who are in desperate need of a home. His idea that you are not providing anything to society is CRAZY. People love to point out that tenants money bought their landlord a Ferrari but they forget that tenants money also provided the landlord to help charities and build houses to help those in need. You can just tell that this is a boy who worked hard but didnt have the intelligence to work SMART so hes now mad at anyone who is capable of making money by being smart and working hard too. he said he works a normal job and you should just work a normal job too, I bet ANY money you help more people than he does and ever will.

I don't understand how he can say a developer shouldn't be entitled to the profit as it was the workers that added value and should get the profit when 2 of his 3 solutions were to use co-ops and building societies? I've never seen financial institutions plastering a wall and adding value in the way he claims workers do? Maybe I need to eat some avocado on toast and drink herbal tea and I'll understand

I'd love to sit in on a meeting of the type of housing association he suggests and how they decide to allocate homes locally ---- guess how that would end up when one person doesnt put their rubbish out, drug addicts move in, or folks stopping paying the small rents ----- the chap is so out of touch with realtiy, he thinks he is an intellectual, but has basic ideas, Adams, Max and co, his points are about at the level of a year 1 Uni student - Das Capital

What a waste of time of a debate. Get rid of landlords and watch the homeless numbers increase

Wow this guy is a first class bell end, can’t believe what I’m hearing, 😂

This journalist makes no sense whatsoever. It absolutely blows my mind that there’s actually people that think like this. Being a landlord is a business you go into to make a profit just like any other business. Absolutely nothing wrong with making profits off tenants

healthcare requires another persons work

I'm going to stop paying my £550 monthly rent to housing association and see how far I get 🤞😂 wish me luck! I might just become more successful if I invest the money elsewhere 🤷 I'm not rich but I give a lot away to my community daily...so surely I should be alright doing this because it seems fair to me when I take this man's views into consideration.

Honestly how Samuel stays so calm when confronted with this dribble!!!! The interviewer is absolutely clueless and obviously knows nothing at all about business! I expect nothing less from a left wing looney to refer to all Landlords as leeches! Firstly we are in business, we risk everything, we give employment and redevelop, often at risk, run down properties and bring them back to use and then have to maintain them, often when tenants abuse them! I know several developers and Landlords that have lost millions and started all over again! After University all my children have rented rooms as a way of starting off, they don't want to buy yet, they are not ready, where would he like them to live, if there are no rental properties?? He's living in absolute cockoo land! Next, Labour destroyed council housing (not Conservative) in the 1970's by making it Means tested. Council housing was built for WORKING families. Once Means tested it just encouraged family breakups and underage pregnancy of which we proudly have the highest in Europe!!!! And lastly my best friend is from Sweden rents and taxes are extremely high there so whats he talking about???? I think Samuel is generous in saying he is intelligent, I beg to differ!!

This guy has lost the plot I hope he’s not in charge of anything

Watch a lot of videos of you and Jamie york on youtube learned from both of you . make things very easy to understand. Im currently looking for my first BTL and this guy does not make sense. With the mortgage payments i would not be making much profit anyway and if the tenent did not pay i would be in a difficult situation. He is making it sound as if all the rental income is going straight into the landlords pocket. How stupid is this guy at 14:22 when you said some landlords have mortgage and running costs he says 'so what your taking money off of somebody that goes to work'. What happens if i dont pay mortgage on my own home i lose my home. Im going to work and banks are profiting off my hard work so cant i do same thing with the tenent.

This is so painful to watch

yeah just go work another job for someone living in your property and not allow them to pay rent 😂😂😂😂

This man doesn’t need landlords in this country😀 what will happen to derelict houses in this country? He’s looking only one side

Everyone should tip their landlord

Funny how socialism works 🤣

This so called broadcast is as stupid as anything I have seen or heard. If I were Samuel I would ask him “SHOULD ANY LANDLORD EXIST IN THE U.K. AT ALL AND SHOULD PEOPLE LIVE IN HOUSES FOR FREE?. EVEN THE SOCIALIST LOCAL AUTHORITIES DON’T RENT OUT THEIR COUCIL HOUSES FOR FREE. HE SOUND EDUCATED BUT HAS THE WRONG EDUCATION.

How Samuel kept his cool with this guy takes more patients than I have. On another planet.

This guy is clueless, why should the landlord provide accommodation for free to a tenant. Even the council charges rent. You composed yourself very well, Sam.

Samuel, you did well to tolerate this. I really hope this guy was just playing the devils advocate. He’s on another planet.

thank you @turnleft The only thing I retained from this debate is that: Sainsbury's should allow me to purchase food at the wholesale or cost price. How dare they try to mark up the food! They aren't the ones producing it... 🤣

Who is this Turkey asking the questions? He's got a bit of a bias, hasn't he!

Stopped listening after 15 mins, the man is a bell end or just disingenuous if he doesn’t see how providing property to rent is a service much the same as the Sainsbury’s example he provided himself 🙈

Is this bloke for real? If you don’t pay rent then the landlord should foot the bill? Why wouldn’t the tenant go to the work and pay the rent. Landlord serve a purpose and are not the ogre.

Amazed at how the people who call themselves woke or left wing at the most close minded individuals in society. Also amazes me how they are so intentionally ignorant. Always amused how they will rattle of as much crap as possible and add in as much fancy words as possible to sound clever. Because they know they have no argument so don’t want to keep saying, I don’t know, or I don’t have an answer for that. And yes you can paint them with all with the same brush for the most part.

4 people need a house, Samuel Buys a house, he could rent that to 1 person and leave 3 people homeless.... OR he could do 4 EnSuite with wifi at affordable prices.. and the journalist, bless him thinks its better to have 3 people with nowhere to live and 1 person housed.... Couldn't make it up.

Totally nonsense this guy! Ridiculous statements to support landlords don’t do anything! This guy even doesn’t even give a chance to Samuel to talk! Do you think landlords don’t work, and just sit on their ass? Then how did they manage to buy properties? He expects landlords to pay mortgage without any rental income? Are you for real?

OMG, this journalist is definitely poor & lacks basic investment creativity!

This is hard to listen to. Crazy to think some people are so entitled they think they should be allowed to use other peoples products they bought with their own money for free.

It’s always the soy boys, the weakest of the weak

Samuel, I give credit to you how you stayed so calm and gracious all the way through...

Its not my talent to debate so i'll just leave a review. Sam you have a really good mindset and i agree with you. Your not just a landlord your some what a developer. A team with multiple skill sets needs 1 leader to plan a project. Interviewer I dont agree how your social utility is having a podcast... but i like how your coming from a good place trying to find way to improve the country. Love to both of you :)

This has boggled my brain. Renovating a property puts money into the economy and is landlords labour as he called it, but also Tesco's CEO doesn't hand pick the fruit or farm the meats, they buy that stuff super cheap and add a mark up to put in their pockets. So they take from farmers and labourers for a profit sat in their offices. I can't follow why he thinks this is any different. 🤷

My word Samuel I wish I could help write some answers for you - to teach this guy a few hard facts about economics and sociology. 1 Thatcher did not sell off council housing, she gave renters the right to buy and THEY WANTED to buy their homes and not rent so that they could have a capital asset and some inheritance to pass on to their kids, whereas if they just rented, when they pass on they have nothing to pass on THATS a TRUE VISCIOUS cycle 2. Social utility - what the hell is that, who decides it, we are back to Animal Farm Russian Communism, who decides, the Communist Committe -- this has not worked in any country in the world 3. He says we did not comodity food - WHAT - food is and also HEALTH, yes we have free health care, with 2 yaer waiting lists for hip operations, so should some people die if they have cancer instead of using their own funds to see a a private doctor? 4. This guy thinks you buying a wreck of a house and doing it up and bringing it back to the market, is not raising housing stock - WHAT - its simple maths. 5. Does this guy marketise his youtoube channel, I think his misguided thinking does not help society, what is his soical utility? seeeee my point Samuel, please get in touch if you want some points to use when speaking to these Gen Z liberal communists, who think its ok for tenants not to pay rent, and wish you the landlord to get a job ---- being a landlord is a job buddy.

Loving the videos Sam! Very motivating content man.

Embracing the unique perspective that comes with discerning eyes and attentive ears, it's evident that wisdom often reveals itself to those who truly listen. Samuel Leeds, your valuable time and insights have been a beacon in my journey, and I appreciate the unwavering commitment to excellence. Sir please do not waste your time with nonsense like this. Haters are always going to hate. Keep winning sir! As we eagerly anticipate a prosperous 2024, I am excited about the collaborative success that lies ahead, learning and growing with your esteemed team. Here's to crushing goals together and evolving beyond limitations. Consider me your eager partner in growth, ready to thrive and contribute to the collective success. 🚀

Samuel....what wa waste of your time....and mine leasing to this clueless man...renting is a product , you like it you buy it. He has no solution to the housing crisis

This guy was essentially talking rubbish and you can see it on sams face 😂

Samuel dealt with this one quite well.

ask the journalist what he is doing and how much is he contributing to the homeless.... we all have to do our part, not just demonise landlords

🤔 how can you say providing accommodation is not providing utility? The guy basically keeps contradicting himself over and over

Who is this journalist? Please provide me a nice house for free Please? Why not you do it? Give me a house, I will not take it with me and I will return it 50 years later pretty much in the same condition as you give me today as you will receive the house same as it is now, I will have not taken anything from your house. Please journalist can you do that please? I want a free house too. Or if current landlord are charging 1k, provide me a house in 200 pounds please bro? That will be great, why not you step out and provide us free or at least really cheap houses?

Denmark, Norway, Sweden, highest taxes in the World - so does this guy want to give way 50% of his income to pay for someone else's houses ---- and they also have private sector and are some of the most expensive countries in the world for cost of living ----- so this guy is a joke; his system is Cuba or Russia or China, and have a look at that place.

The left are so painfully wrong it hurts. I can't actually believe there are people who think they have a right to live in someone else's house for nothing just because the landlords name is on the title deed. "Go and get a job to pay the mortgage like the rest of us"...*rents a house instead of buying one like the rest of us*

Its not happened 😂🎉

Everything he says could be solved by property education, financial education, common sense with spending money... try budgeting :)

Theres an argument of both sides here, yes as an investor you should expect returns, but those returns is reliant on the exploitation of those that cannot afford a mortgage, to either pay the landlord a profit, or float the mortgage for inflation to take effect so that a remortgage can be used to pull equity out. Those BTL mortgages are at a higher rate than residency mortgages so naturally the landlord needs to charge more to pay the mortgage, cover maintenance and pay there (now inflated against total rent) taxes. Really there no winner or loser here, both sides has problems both sides have valid arguments

Thank god for men like Samuel…he literally gives hope to the hard working ambitious men out there who believe they can better themselves by working hard for it. Everything is within reach.

The journalist could have skipped this entire conversation, he is talking to the wrong person here ... landlords simply shouldn't give a shit, why should they ? They provide housing to those who can't afford to buy ... but if i was in government, as an example, I'd probably largely agree with the journalist because I'm in a position to actually change policy.

Dear god get this man off his soap box 😅 I've never heard such rubbish in all of my life honestly I've been shouting at the telly for nearly an hour watching him dronning on and on 😂 if he had a mirror he could argue with himself 😅 he's got issues he came across aggressive and opinionated 😂 and clearly blames Samuel for everything 😅 he also lives in a fantasy world were his ideas of housing could never exist he's a dreamer with an attitude 😳 I've been on Samuel Leeds courses I've meet amazing people who encourage everyone there to be the best vision's of themselves I'm now on my own property journey to become a good landlord because of him 😅 helping my family and going into the social housing sector. That's what lots of landlords do give back 🙂 Samuel you handled yourself incredibly well ( when you could get a word in😅) you stood your ground and responded in a kind , compassionate and level headed way unlike like this crazy yappy dog who just went around in circles loving the sound of his own boring opinionate voice 😬😅

Samuel, you missed a couple of tricks. You didn't bring up the topic of rising population and how this impacts the market and how the government aren't building enough to keep up with the demand. You could have spoke on how landlords like us fill that void. He would have struggled on those points because he wouldn't have had an answer.

Lets go Sam! watching it from the start now :)

I mean "Chainsaw Landlord" does sound pretty cool to me. I would have done that stunt as well haha

*Samuel couldn’t get a word in edgeways🙄 This kid has a broke person mindset… he needs to go to Samuel’s crash course*

This guy would book an uber and want to keep the taxi

It's that old saying ( people like to see you do well just not better than themselves)

Very good video Sam, the journalist seem to have a big chip on his shoulder, typical shelter hate the private sector landlord mind set. Sam dealt with him very well and did not bite when he was being so opinionated. May be the Government should save the money that they waste in Ukraine and Israel and support our own communities and our homeless people. What about the money was wasted in Rwanda?

This was a brilliant debate. Great job on both sides to have a measured and insightful discussion about this (rare to see nowadays). This was fundamentally an ideological disagreement. Free Market Vs Statism: Which one works better? --- If you are ideologically against privatisation & more specifically the privatisation of housing provision in the UK, you will never accept landlordism as a legitimate business. Portfolio landlords (not all of them are perfect) are running a business that provides a product & service to a willing and able buyer. They also provide a service, generally to a higher quality than the public sector has done in the past (the state of a lot of council housing in the country is truly shocking). Landlords are incentivised to provide a higher standard of living due to the reward of increased profits (the state won't have this incentive) Today's unaffordable housing isn't a symptom of landlordism, it's symptom of a consistently low housing supply, an ageing population, more single households, an archaic planning system & high interest rates. To blame landlords for housing affordability is misguided. Build To Rent Developers, Government endorsed schemes like Shared ownership & Help To Buy have done far more damage to housing affordability than individual landlords have. Reducing landlordism won't solve the issue of unaffordable housing, if anything it could make it worse.

Housing and healthcare are not human rights.

You need to be less sensitive about landlords and their landlording business

Who takes on the risk? Not a Tennant. That's what a tenant pays for, the privilege of living in a home with no investment because believe it or not housing doesn't grow out of the ground nothing is free in this world. It's fine to pay for a hotel or airb&b but for some reason landlords are just supposed to pay your way because how dare they ask for money for their service