HermitCraft S9#4: Building Bane 

Thanks for that. I always view the journey in making projects as the main reward because that is the part that requires creativity and develops skills in the game. Being able to use the project afterwards is more of a bonus to me. I think to a viewer it can sometimes feel like a project is wasted if it doesn't get finished, but that is probably because they are involved less in the development part of it (due to the time it requires) and seeing the final outcome is their main reward.

why am i tearing up at this and ethos reply

Yep. It’s awesome. Everyone says “sandbox”, then showcase finished project, and neglect to showcase the process. Etho has always showcased the process, and trolls the trolls😂 while he’s at it. Ah, I love his sense of humor!

I love how you put those word together, we appreciate you Etho

@@EthosLab Honestly, this. As someone who's constantly beaten myself up over unfinished projects, I feel like I've missed the forest for the trees: I've always recycled parts of old projects, and even the lessons learned along the way are invaluable down the line. This episode especially is a great example of how projects are never a waste of time, even if I don't finish them. It took me way longer than I'd like to admit to realize that, and the effects older unfinished projects have are often very subtle. To address what you said: as a viewer, I personally really enjoy your unique way of problem-solving and often think your projects are very interesting approach to problems the game presents you. I think wanting to see the project get finished is less about the final outcome being the main reward, and more about wanting to see how you troubleshoot issues in projects that I find interesting. I think generally we as viewers have a lot more endurance for problem-solving because we're not the ones actively doing the thinking. And sometimes there's the case where I feel like I have the answer to a problem and would love to see you explore that avenue.

momma Etho

Is battle bane the game etho tried building I think in minecrack and he wanted to use a bug to make black beacons?

Doesn't seem so

@@mosheberkovits3586 no this is his custom game map he was making separate from any server. The black beacon thing was on the mindcrack server

@@Pathoz yeah I found it, I think I vaguely remember watching it years ago

I honestly don't get the hate for birch and jungle wood. Birch is a lovely light colour wood and while the logs are a little busy to include into things that aren't supposed to scream "This is a house built from this tree" they aren't exactly a deal breaker either. Jungle wood is a little bit like oak in terms of lightness but has some orange-pinkish undertones which are a lot more interesting to work with than oak. Also acacia for some reason?? Why, it's literally a 2 for 1 resource. Need a nice textured slate grey? Acacia's got your back. Need orange highlights? Acacia to the rescue! And where are my oak haters? That block is so basic it's physically painful.

@@teaartist6455 Hey! I like oak. easy to texture because there are a lot of blocks that have similar colour

I like all wood I like the birch wood when it’s not planks or Striped because it looks really pretty to me and I love the leaves I just don’t really like the plank color. It can be really easy to texture things and if you know what your doing it can be really pretty but the leaves aren’t my fav. Spruce for me is really pretty but when it’s striped it can be an interesting color to say the least. There is nothing wrong with acacia, dark oak, and jungle have nothing wrong in my opinion. I like mangrove too there just really hard to cut down

Finally an update

I meaaaan.. could be 😳

Nice, it’s our quadrennial battle bane episode. See so all again in other 4 years for episode 19!

Battle Bane travel edition ^^

I hope so

That's a good idea, I might do that.

Also prevents jumping in the hole to avoid death from other teams. Maybe each time somebody respawns a point should be removed as a sort of ticket system.

@@EthosLab or just use lava is magma is too slow?

@@EthosLab alternatively, you could have respawn times, where a gate opens only every 15 seconds for 1 second or so to lock respawning people away from the action Would mean that they spawn in waves (like in old school day of defeat for instance) and make multikills and the like more important

@@podkrajci That acutally doesn't solve this problem, because players could hold shift. You could use netherack+fire, but that would be a lot of particles and players might accidentally punch out the fire.

Well, it's a lot easier when the arena's already built and he's just copying it. Also, I find it humorous how your refer to this as a mega game, since this is rather small compared to what the real Battle Bane is supposed to be. You should look it up...

but cant really hopper up items from it :/

@@pvic6959 he has curse of vanishing on all equipment

Why not lava?

@@michasengotta2295 takes too long and ugly

I also enjoy how Iskall does these montages. They're good to quickly catch viewers up on multiple small tasks.

Same! Honestly, I get a big kick out of stream-of-consciousness ramblings, nonsense songs or humming, and of course the quintessential low-key trolling which makes me feel like I'm right there exploring or resource gathering alongside Etho.

Same, honestly I feel like etho doesn't include enough of the actual work he does sometimes

Great idea!

I was also thinking changing the roofs of the castles to different colors to help distinguish them.

throwback to when he said he didnt want to do banners in an old battle bane episode lol

Banners can also be made to make them more easily distinguishable with different symbols. I'm not sure if any of the Hermits are colour blind, but a lot of viewers probably are. Or use colours not often affected by colour blindness, such as something like black, white, blue, and orange/yellow.

@@EthosLab You could also use the colored banners (or beacons) as 'sign posts' to give people an idea of where they are and are going, particularly in the mines/underground areas. I feel like it might get easy to go turned around in there or not have a good idea of where exactly you're going to end up, at least for new players. I just think that communicating the bases and routes to the players will smooth out the experience for the teams.

i remember being active on a server where it had that same system and the arena was a whole pirate c.... oh hey vile :)

True but the issue was in the game from season 7 Hermits inventory was getting clogged up with gear and couldn't get the items for game points and even if you stopped for a second to try to drop the items you would get killed.

Etho's way ahead of you, he was thinking of coloured beacons back in the Mindcrack S4 arena, before coloursd beacons were even added

the 10 year anniversary will be on oct 15

Same ere!

lol same I'm 21 been waiting for a battle bane update forever

I still remember the beginnings of Battle Bane... crazy that its been that long. Etho is the only youtuber I've consistently watched for so long, its pretty crazy looking back and seeing how much has changed and how much hasn't.

Ethoslab wasn’t the first channel I watched. I remember getting to Etho's channel from sethbling somehow. I remember no more details about that. But Ethoslab is the first channel I liked and binge watched the previous episodes. Actually, it's very very soon after I got my first wifi connection, and thus being introduced to RU-vid. As far as I remember, Let's play, and modded was ongoing series at the moment, and of course, the occasional battle bane. I do miss the first modded series tho.

You can fall in-between the dripstone, while that's very unlikely to happen it's still game breaking when it does

or lava

Sadly by the time he sees this he'll have already dug the holes

@@MrBrightEclipse possibly not. He replied to another suggestion using magma blocks that he might use that. I also think that's better than Dripstone. Wither roses are another decent option.

Dripstone can kill you if you hold space while standing on one, but i can see surviving players missing that point

Historically accurate, but Tango's Decked Out 2 will probably upset tradition

@@Smac_Ker I physically cannot wait to see Etho tear through that game again. Watching him play decked out was honestly so awesome. I honestly want a stand alone game based on decked out to play with my friends. Like yeah the Minecraft one is sick as hell, but I feel like decked out could really be it’s own game because of how amazing it is… maybe I could pick coding back up again…

@@bluelemonade415 decked put digital board game?

Bdubs wasn't involved. He can keep playing until they start building an arena together

@@awwkaw9996 I feel like I'm forgetting something or don't know something. What does bdubs have to do with this?

genius

based pfp, based idea

wow thats a great idea

Might also add a "last minute" audio cue so players can scramble to get points in before the gathering points lock.

Another thing would be just bells doing a single dong at 10 seconds left

Happy Etho Day. 😊

Agreed

Agree just had a good dinner

I think you meant to say “because of” instead of “for”.

Everyday is a good day for an Etho episode.

Same!

If you want to watch the original videos, their titled "Map Making - The Arena: Episode #" or "Map Making - Battle Bane: Episode #". Personally, I recommend starting with Episode 9, as that's where Battle Bane really starts to take shape, and I believe Etho kinda gives a refresher intro for the series too. Everything before that is older ideas that don't really continue on. Regardless, the more Etho dove into that project, the more interesting and incredible the game design process was: everything from macro game design to power balancing to arena design. It was really a lot more than spawn into the arena and duke it out.

@@Klffsj Cool Thank you for the reference.

Some shield test games may be interesting, though. Let’s see how those modern mechanics and utilities change this decade-old minigame!

it's gonna pair nicely with the old-school block pallet. this whole map looks like something straight out of beta 1.8, it just has a couple flourishes like the dyed glass and blackstone on the volcanos to make it pop.

or enderpearls to help swoop in and steal points

This combined with the point drop off system would probably be the best. It demands a decision of "Do I use this powerful weapon, or do I turn it in for points?"

Using points to buy better weapons from dispensers around the map would encourage movement! Also another element to consider your point balancing. Better weapons should be in places the farthest from the bases Also, Etho, you should change the beacon color to the color of the Winning team! That alongside the bells will be a great way to announce to had the most points when the bells rung!

Kinda like classic halo multiplayer

Maybe have some audio cue or special firework whenever a new item drops as well

well, i have news for you. this project is older than some of the hermits youtube careers.

Actually, it did take years, and we would joke about how Etho would post episodes on this project nearly yearly. (He's a few years overdue now.) For Hermitcraft, Etho just copied the design over from the world he created this in. But, when he designed this Etho put a lot of thought and consideration into balanced PVP design, branching paths, lines of sight (and lack thereof), and more to make not only this arena, but a much larger game as a whole. There's a reason why the mere name "Battle Bane" is a fan favorite for those of us who watched that series (and hope that it will return).

@@langedarm1775 not exactly sure when battle bane started but there is a good chance it is older than some of the viewers!

Fr though. Ive been trying to work on a castle/village deal for so long now that the building quality upgrades at different rates. Youd think that the closer you get to the castle area, the better the buildings. No. Not in mine. I have entire *sections* of the city that look like dirt huts neighboring ones that, comparatively, look like golden palaces. Its hilarious.

yes!

Etho actually did capture points successfully in vanilla Minecraft for the Mindcrack Season 4. It was one of the season-ending arenas he built with Bdubs. Out of curiosity, did you watch all of the Battle Bane episodes going back to Episode 1 of that series... long before true Battle Bane started taking shape? I've watched everything Battle Bane, but not the very early episodes that are very different.

This!! ^^

Honestly, I prefer the Vanilla feel of things. The sound effects are nice for quirky things in the server, but natural sounds like bells and jukeboxes as time warnings sound much more familiar, and thus nicer to me for a game like this.

Dude! The memories!! It's been so long, I forgot about it. But back then I used to super excited about it. And now, the sudden drop of the name, "Battle bane" got me all excited and giddy just like the teen I was back then.

Papa John's is on delivery Other pizza's are available locally

@@h8feight are you getting a delivery from a nonlocal papa johns then? hrm.

@@jdib no, it was the joke on the "there are other alternatives available"

@@h8feight what? what are you quoting?

@@jdib live UK TV where a guest says oh I love X brand, but then you always have the host or co-host say other options are available. It has something to do with advertising and law that they aren't purposely and actively promoting that particular brand

Yeah, Etho put a ton of work into path layout and lines of sight when he built this. I'm glad to see that's still being appreciated!

Yes!! And also add note blocks for the timer that counts down, so you can hear it going beep, beep, beep, fireworks!

This game needs noteblockification

Announcing points could also work as an indicator for the opposing team to know when to poach funneling points, which would definitely change gameflow/tactics...especially if there's a centralized vantage point to camp/capture that could observe most of the map...not sure whether it's in line with how Etho wants the game to play out, but it could be interesting to explore.

This is a great idea

I think a firework would be a good idea for a bigger point like +5 or something. That would attract a lot of attention from different teams and create high conflict zones. having multiples of these points would also improve diversity of player movement

I second the point system, can see it being a bit stalematey if everyone is camping their own place too much!

Sadlyi t's entirely possible to miss the stalagtites cuz they're not a full block wide. You can fall between, and then you're just stuck.

@@jadesprite Huh, TIL you have to land on the tip to get the extra fall damage (tbf I've barely actually played the newer versions), I thought you could solve this by making them 3+ high so you can't fit inbetween but nope, normal fall damage if you fall inbetween the tips. That's lame, so a floor filled with dripstones can never guarantee extra fall damage. I guess you'll have to fall back to having something like magma blocks underneath, or a way for players to walk out into a death pit if they get stuck.

What if the flag hat is the bald bdubs head 😂

No kidding! No matter if I'm working, eating, watching something else, or in the middle of doing something, if I see a notification, "Etho uploaded", whatever I was doing, that got to stop right away. This one notification is the only reason I haven’t turned off notification of the youtube app. I turned off notification for all the other apps, except WhatsApp. Can't miss a Etho episode, must watch as fast as possible.

Actually, it stays really organized. If you notice in his videos, sometimes, when he needs something, he sets down an ender chest, pulls out the right shulker from the right spot, then finds the right item in the right spot in the shulker. Everything has its place, and Etho knows exactly where it is. As for the chest monster we see, it's actually a very organized automatic refilling station for the shulkers that go in the ender chest. Etho was just showing the top view where he fills the refilling station, rather than the bottom view where he would typically be.

Just needs stacks of golden apples in a video game to keep the doctor away

I wish my doc would order me to some Etho.

@@cr4cker394 I wish I could order some spare Etho, I’m already out :(

I agree!! I finally just watched a few episodes as well and really felt like I was almost watching Etho in a way

@@DisasterAster :D I’m glad to hear someone else feels the same

Cogito Etho Sum, lol?