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Mini Tomahawk eye punch and drift - blacksmith challenge 

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Continuing our look into the blacksmith challenge idea. I thought I would forge a small hammer eye punch and tomahawk drift that we will later use to make a mini rail spike tomahawk from the same 1/2 x 1/2 x 3" starting point
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@humannatureventures1680
@humannatureventures1680 2 года назад
I’m currently three years behind, but I’m working my way thru these videos in order pretty much every day. This video is one of your best examples of the colour change process when getting ready to quench. Thanks for this. It's a huge step forward for me.
@garysmith4311
@garysmith4311 6 лет назад
John we had a cat just like Smitty. His name was Clovis and lived with us for all of his 17 years. We all still miss him. Pet Smitty a little extra for me. Have a great week!
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
I will be sure to do that
@JF-fx2qv
@JF-fx2qv 6 лет назад
Good lesson. Esp. liked watching the color changes in the heating process. Thanks Smitty The Blacksmith Shop Cat.
@scubadreamstaff4832
@scubadreamstaff4832 6 лет назад
Personally I am happy to see the hardening and tempering each time. If I get to a point where I don’t need to see the process I can always fast forward, Thanks for all you do!
@undergroundvideoproduction9222
although I understand about heat treating, I think you are right. there will always be those new to smithing that need the lesson. your channel is about learning the art which I love and has helped me tremendously.
@danszapa
@danszapa 6 лет назад
I’ve got to believe that anyone interested in any of your videos will end up binge watching all of them. That being said, explaining heat treating is probably not necessary. Thanks for all the time you’ve invested in sharing the knowledge!
@ronaldkirby9299
@ronaldkirby9299 6 лет назад
I'm still learning so like seeing it every time
@DieselDahl
@DieselDahl 6 лет назад
Thank you for taking the time to make this video and all the other videos. Your videos and your explanation hardly ever get tedious, so there is no reason to change the "format" very much. Some of the reasons I like your videos is that you don´t assume that everyone knows the basics and explain everything in a calm manner and with great level of detail, including repeating some of the basics. 🇳🇴
@BrianDaleNeeley
@BrianDaleNeeley 6 лет назад
I don't think you need to explain it *EVERY* time, but it's always nice to see the various ways that steel can be tempered. For detailed videos, explaining tempering is fine (unless the video is already overlong), and quick videos a mere mention is in order.
@timrollins7724
@timrollins7724 6 лет назад
another awesome video John, I personally like the explanations of processes as it sinks in a little more each time, and as a newbie it helps.
@mikesimon8094
@mikesimon8094 6 лет назад
Please don't ever assume the learners have the basics down. These are the fundamentals and the mystery that make the difference. You have the ability to explain while doing that makes you a Teacher, not just a demonstrator. Please keep it up and thank you.
@5x535
@5x535 6 лет назад
"These are the fundamentals and the mystery that make the difference." Great line Mike. Really Great line---and the truth.
@truegeekified
@truegeekified 6 лет назад
I have watched every video from the beginning. I never find myself going, oh man he’s explaining that again! Like this video, that tempering color spectrum showed up really well and gave me yet another example of what to look for. Even though you have showed it before, it sunk in just a little more this time. The point is, keep explaining everything every time IF you want too. If you have done that exact process before, a link to that video should suffice. I don’t mind watching the same process over and over, because each time you may say something different or do it just a little different and we all learn from that. This community can’t thank you enough for your effort that you put into doing these.
@patrickharmon9459
@patrickharmon9459 2 года назад
I've watched alot of your videos, and I'm old so it's better for me if I hear it over again with out going back and trying to find the one that explains it to watch again. I'm not good with technology and I get frustrated with it and computers been known to fly and hit the wall. Lol
@robertkatekaru887
@robertkatekaru887 6 лет назад
You could refer to past videos for those that need a refresher or detailed info. As a newbie to this, I don’t mind watching the entire process as we can always pick up nuances that are beneficial for retention.
@rogerstadtman8668
@rogerstadtman8668 6 лет назад
Great video on tempering great color.
@armadilloforge
@armadilloforge 6 лет назад
Good stuff here. We don't mind the repeat of the process. Iv'e done many chisels, and still like to watch the colors run. :)
@motome8
@motome8 6 лет назад
Nice to see those colors..
@DavoShed
@DavoShed 6 лет назад
I’d say mix it up John. Good to get a refresher now and then even if we know the process. Catering for the newbies is also important. Nothing worse when you are trying to learn something new and your video mentor skips over the bit you need to learn😀 Temper colours are great to watch anyway. What a stroke of luck they pop up just where we need them. Non magnetic is right in there too. I never knew about the +100 degrees before so I learnt something new!
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
Each steel has a different critical temp, so the 100 degrees isn't always the right number. I did a brief test in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kkGDBRpJC6U.html
@davidroehl837
@davidroehl837 6 лет назад
I like seeing the heat treatment each time. It is part of the process and many times you heat treat differently depending on the use. Seeing/doing something often helps me to learn and remember how to do it.
@darrelllogan1274
@darrelllogan1274 5 лет назад
AWESOME video! Thanks for sharing.
@whiteoakforge1376
@whiteoakforge1376 6 лет назад
Please continue with the tempering, iam a new Smith so I pickup something new every time !
@chadmorelock9402
@chadmorelock9402 6 лет назад
Yes I like to go through it thank you
@jamesbrandon8520
@jamesbrandon8520 6 лет назад
Another awesome video John I can’t wait to see you punch and drift that tomahawk but I think it’s crazy that everyone expects you and every other youtube channel to make conversions to metric when there are so many charts and apps out there that they can convert them there selves and stop confusing you and people like Roy Adams all the time
@truegeekified
@truegeekified 6 лет назад
John, I have really enjoyed watching this channel grow. Glad to have been here from the “early” videos to now. Thanks again for this service you are providing us.
@richardbryant7972
@richardbryant7972 6 лет назад
Very good video as always and as always I learned something thank you sir
@lenblacksmith8559
@lenblacksmith8559 6 лет назад
I like seeing hardening and tempering any time, you can get a different perspective on different video's.
@Hogbellylife
@Hogbellylife 5 лет назад
Blacksmithing goes back 3-4 generations in my family but died out with my grandfather. I purchased a anvil, forge & belt sander. I made a few knives and lost interest. It's fun I loved doing it, but so expensive for all the tools that you find out u need. Thanks for the great vid, maybe I will dust everything off
@schmiedepeter3881
@schmiedepeter3881 6 лет назад
A very instructive video, and everything explained very well, thanks
@johnyb3454
@johnyb3454 6 лет назад
Really enjoyed that John, especially the explanation regarding the tempering process, I have been a subscriber for a long time and can safely say the way you explain and demonstrate your craft is second to none, I have learnt a great deal from you thank you 👍🇬🇧
@k.c.meaders4796
@k.c.meaders4796 5 лет назад
Nice! Repetition is good.
@garyblohm838
@garyblohm838 4 года назад
Yep, explain tempering every time. Never hurts to hear it over and over.
@ianturpin9180
@ianturpin9180 6 лет назад
Thanks for your post's you are a fantastic teacher
@TheOldaz1
@TheOldaz1 4 года назад
The tip on the punch is very similar to the shape on a tungsten tip drill you would use on bricks/concrete. I always find the hardening/tempering tips interesting as they're often done on diffent steel types. Maybe in the future include a small segment to the specific tool and a link to the main video for those who want to see the whole process. Thanks John.
@jonlihou668
@jonlihou668 6 лет назад
I like to see the whole process, including the hardening and tempering. As a viewer in Canada I like the reference to metric as well as imperial measure. If possible can you show the view looking from the end of the anvil when drawing out stock? Thanks, like the channel a lot!
@MauledByBears
@MauledByBears 6 лет назад
For filing funky shapes like this I get some soft pine and use it as temporary soft jaws. The vice crushes the wood around whatever you're working on and you get a perfect grip on the work.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
Great idea
@richardstewart1955
@richardstewart1955 6 лет назад
John I made a v-block to hang in my vise to hold square stock on the diamond and that may work for this filing.
@Watchfuliz
@Watchfuliz 2 года назад
I know this is old John, but it is a good video for showing the temporing. You should make a short video with just that part of it and link it to your other videos where that is called for...lots of work I would imagine at this point though.
@jimhumphrey
@jimhumphrey 6 лет назад
I personally don't mind the detail you show on processes used in blacksmithing even though I may have seen them before. Repetition in the learning process is good. I would think though that on some projects where heat treating is only a small part of the project it might be prudent to reference the playlist where the heat treating is explained. And learning to use your playlist helps find a referenced video more quickly.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
I do generally include links that appear in the upper corner as the video runs
@forMacguyver
@forMacguyver 6 лет назад
Nice video. You could really see the tempering colors as they moved up the punch.
@SirFuseable
@SirFuseable 6 лет назад
Nice video John. I don't think it's necessary to explain in detail the hardening and quenching every time, provided you add a link in the description to a video which covers it well. Then, anyone new can just click that link for the details.
@Zogg1281
@Zogg1281 6 лет назад
I'm really new to blacksmithing and I've only just finished my first stock removal knife. I saw bits and pieces about all of the heat treating process but it wasn't until one of Liam Hoffman's videos where he went through everything step by step that I started to understand the process. I'm still learning about the differences between different metals and how they change what you need to do differently when heat treating. I think it would get very boring if you went through every step every time but I think it still needs to be in the videos fairly regularly so that it's easier for the newer generation to find the info we need to learn. In this video I actually learned loads, so thank you. I have only ever had oil quenching explained, demoed and tried for myself, so I really want to learn more about the differences in the different quenching liquids.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
Every steel requires a specific quench, either water, oil or air. It is the manufacturing specs of the steel that determine the proper quench
@Zogg1281
@Zogg1281 6 лет назад
Black Bear Forge ....... and that's about the extent of my knowledge! Thanks for the reply
@johnwood361
@johnwood361 6 лет назад
Another great video. Thank you for taking the time to show and explain their are multiple options to get the same results. As to your question I see the benefits of explaining the heat treatment process everytime, repatriation helps learning. I also see how it can be tedious. So I would say a mix of the two may be more beneficial for everyone. By only explaining (say about 50%of the time) you can still get the information to those how need it.
@TaylorTheOtter
@TaylorTheOtter 2 года назад
Weird thing I just noticed: I'm not from the US so I grew up with metric but I'm starting to gain an appreciation of the imperial measurement system when it comes to blacksmithing. There it all kind of clicks. I'll take metric over imperial and day of the week for science and engineering but for blacksmithing inches do make sense.
@jamesmcmillen4828
@jamesmcmillen4828 6 лет назад
I appreciate the fact that you take the time to explain the heat treating process, but for steels that you commonly use I think just mentioning the process you go through for that steel would suffice. Now, if you're using a steel that we're not used to seeing you use, I think it would be beneficial to all of us to actually see your process. In the end, its your channel and you can show us what you want us to see. I'm happy to sit and watch a heat treat process because I'm not the greatest at it. I don't use a whole lot of hardenable steels in my work, but when I do, its nice to have a basic understanding of what process I need to use.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
Thanks for the input
@karmakshantivyapini4734
@karmakshantivyapini4734 6 лет назад
I must say that I disagree. The thing that makes this channel outstanding is not just the craftsmanship and the variety, but the fact that we get to hear the thought processes behind the work. If that means comparing the immediate steel being smithed to some other alternative(s) I certainly want to hear it. The more I can hear his thought processes the better I'm able to understand the smithing.
@5x535
@5x535 6 лет назад
Nice to see your entire hand again with no wrap of any kind. It has been a while now. To answer your question about going through the heat treat process every time--I think that John Wood has a good take. Repetition has value all by itself but there is a limit. It seems like every time you have gone through the process something else comes out. This time the color run came through very well and your explanation of some of the possible shortcuts was informative. The tricks/techniques to get different tempers into the same tool like struck end/ working end or edge/spline in a knife will certainly be helpful. I know that you are full of those and look forward to watching you make them happen.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
The finger still gets wrapped if it swells and I have been told to expect it to be prone to swelling for about a year.
@davidb3445
@davidb3445 6 лет назад
I've taken away a lot of good information from your videos, you're one of the only RU-vidrs I watch religiously. One suggestion though if I may: I've done my share of grinding over the years and I've found that the sanding belts are some of the nastiest when you don't pay enough attention. Proper protection is a must, not only eyewear but gloves. For the really close work on a belt I've taken to using mechanix gloves, or similar. They give you almost as much dexterity as not wearing gloves at all but give you that little layer of fabric that isn't finger meat.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
I frequently use Dyneema cut resistant gloves when grinding. Oddly I intentionally didn't this time to avoid the typical comments concerning the dangers of wearing any gloves around rotating machinery.
@dorothyjones1537
@dorothyjones1537 5 лет назад
Yes show us the hardening and tempering every time a lot of us don't have a memory how did I do that
@TheWonderboy420
@TheWonderboy420 Год назад
Is there any way you could foge a couple pieces that can go over the jaws of your clamp that would be able to hold a round object? That would make for a good video. I'm sure that would help a lot of people with the same problem. Keep up the good work!
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge Год назад
Great idea
@tylerjones7310
@tylerjones7310 8 месяцев назад
Can you make a mini axe out of mini rail rod spike and mini wood handles for tomahawk and axe and mini knife rail rod spikes
@jonathanrose6266
@jonathanrose6266 6 лет назад
They hate drinking process is good for the new guys and I don't mind seeing it neither
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
Spell check is not your friend. But I know what you mean.
@truegeekified
@truegeekified 6 лет назад
I have to say the last hate drinking process I went through didn’t end well. Well, it ended my drinking career, so that was a plus.
@kenbultman8670
@kenbultman8670 Год назад
Make more videos please 😊
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge Год назад
If I keep forcing my self to work 60+ hours per week making videos I will burnout and stop altogether. Or I can find a pace that keeps it fun and interesting so I make videos for years to come. My physical and mental health has to come first.
@stuumblefingerz4351
@stuumblefingerz4351 6 лет назад
I like the explanation every time,one thing I would like for u to explain to me is what your doing when u put your work piece in the vermiculite. I am fortunate enough to have a heat treat oven and I am use to going by by the steel manufacturing recipe for heat treat,and when I make my knives I would use there table for hardening,stress relieving,and annealing.i never had to normalize the steel.is that what the vermiculite does,an is that a blacksmith way of softening the steel but not as good as annealing.an if I'm correct in my thinking,on normalizing have u ever try wood ashes for normalizing.thank u for your videos I'm a big fan.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
The vermiculite is a way of cooling very slowly. It is much slower than normalizing but not as slow as using the oven to anneal. For the simple steels it is very similar to the effect of annealing. a hammer head cooled in vermiculite will still be warm to the touch the next morning. Lime and wood ash are other things people use to slow cool or anneal.
@hosiercraft9675
@hosiercraft9675 6 лет назад
I think it's good to explain the heat treat often but not always. I very much enjoyed watching the colors run during the temper process. That's how I first learned to heat treat and still use it. I have a question. I noticed your critical temperature is much darker than I use. I also anneal then soak the heat but I bring mine slowly up to bright orange almost yellow, not butter or welding heat but not far off. Is this okay or can it cause problems? Thanks again.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
One of the advantages of using the heat treat oven is being able to see what the true temperature looks like. It is almost always much cooler than I previously quenched at. Only steels like S7 or H13 quench at the high orange range. The simpler steels are more like a dark red to cherry red. Quenching at to high of a heat leaves a large grain structure that is more likely to crack in use.
@billwoehl3051
@billwoehl3051 2 года назад
If a person wanted to make a production run of drifts, would taking a bar, punching the hole, using the first drift to shape the hole, then harden the bar, and use that as a swage to shape the drifts all the same?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 2 года назад
It might if its a deep enough hole to get most of the drift into. But making a top and bottom swage might be more efficient in use.
@grandadz_forge
@grandadz_forge 6 лет назад
Is it safe to assume the punch tip should resemble a drill bit angle? (for oval/teardrop holes)
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
Thats probably not a bad description although I have never thought of it that way
@motome8
@motome8 6 лет назад
How do you decide when to use coal, and when to use propane?
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
I enjoy working in the coal fire and find it best for more precise work and smaller forge welds. But I use propane for most of my work because it is production oriented and the gas forge is much more efficient for that sort of work.
@kevinhansen2182
@kevinhansen2182 6 лет назад
When you aneal your steel do you do the "make sure it's pointing north" thing? Or is that just nonsense? I read that the north pole has magnetic thingy to pull all the stresses out of you work hardened and stressed up steel out of it while it's softening.
@BlackBearForge
@BlackBearForge 6 лет назад
No. I doubt there is any truth to that.
@kevinhansen2182
@kevinhansen2182 6 лет назад
Black Bear Forge ok thank you. I figured it was nonsense
@horneygeorgeforge7079
@horneygeorgeforge7079 5 лет назад
there is a Fellow by the name of Stan that is making Heart ovens they look to be very Good quality. check his channel out on You Tube, Shaden HKW.. I hope this helps those in the market for one.
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