Miniature Stopmotion Hands and Armature | An Unwound Clockwork 

Yep, that's a really nice feature of that small mill. :) But the tilting and adjusting of the head takes quite some time, so I would rather turn the work-piece around next time.

It was a pleasure and I hope to be able to do Videos like this more often in the future. - And thank you so much for your support, I'm greatly honored! ;)

I wouldn't know how to animate that though :D

If you're interested, I made an improved version available at vf-kinetics.de/ ;)

Thanks a lot! - My newer Videos are in English (with heavy German accent) :D ...But it's getting harder to find the time to make really cool videos recently, it's more like a Vlog of what I'm doing each month ;)

Thank you Alec! - If you're interested in hands specifically, I have an updated design available in my shop at vf-kinetics.de/ - If you just need tiny hinges please state your specific needs and send me an inquiry via email to info@dasgetriebeimsand.de :)

Danke Lukas! :) - Ganz ehrlich gesagt, wenn man nur die Mühe dieser Armaturen und das Ergebnis anschaut, nein, das steht in keinem guten Verhältnis zueinander. :D Trotzdem hat es viel gebracht, ich habe sehr viel gelernt und das Konzept später weiter entwickelt. Die späteren Versionen wurden mit einem stärkeren Fokus auf Effizienz entwickelt, und jetzt habe ich eine Reihe Handarmaturen dieser Größe In meinem Onlineshop im Angebot und schon zahlreiche Exemplare verkauft. Außerdem kann es für größere Produktionen durchaus sinnvoll sein, denn man muss seltener neue Hände gießen, man spart sich das Anfertigen der Drahthände, was jedes mal Zeit viel kostet, und das Posieren der Finger geht auch einfacher... Im Hobby-Bereich lohnt es sich kaum, aber sobald man Zeit bezahlen muss denke ich das sich die Armaturen schnell ambitionieren. Hier, falls du mehr wissen möchtest oder selbst einmal welche brauchen kannst: vf-kinetics.de/index.php?route=product/category&path=59

Tja, es hat aber Menschenhände gebraucht... :D Zu gegebener Zeit baue ich sicher nochmal Händchen die so bleiben... Übrigens hat der Silikonguss inzwischen besser geklappt, das in dem Video war der Prototyp und da gab es noch einige Probleme mit der Konsistenz und der Oberfläche.

Bemerkenswert, Danke :D - Aber ich muss zugeben, es ist in der Tat grenzwertig. Du willst nicht wissen wie viele Fingerglieder und Knöchel unterwegs verschwunden, zerdrückt oder verbogen wurden. Aber das Ergebnis bewegt sich ganz brauchbar und falls ich sowas nochmal mache weiß ich einige Arbeitsschritte zu optimieren ;)

@@ValentinFelder die Antwort lautet: etwa 30%. Das ist zumindest meine Verlustrate.

@@alrikscyriel6208 Yep, sogar ziemlich exakt :D ...Bin aber optimistisch das sich das mit mehr Übung verbessern lässt... Ich nehme aber mal an wenn es bei dir bei 30% geblieben ist siehts eher schlecht aus.

@@ValentinFelder ne, wenn du den Prozess verbesserst kommst du etwa auf 10% Ausschuss. Sind viele Teile und das mit geringer Toleranz. Bei der ersten Runde sind 30% ok.

@@alrikscyriel6208 Klingt realistisch, so hätte ich das auch eingeschätzt :)

Thanks! :) - The Finger screws are M1 * 2mm

Sure, I use drilled balls for quite a while now, as it's much stronger of course! (This video is quite old and I learned a lot since then). However, threaded connections are not advisable, even with loctite it sometimes breaks lose, which is really bad when it's inside the silicone. Silver brazing it is, but the rod goes inside the drilled ball.

The next version with batch production in mind is already under development ;)

I didn't experience any wear, but it can happen that a screw gets lose. The biggest problem with this design is the remaining roughness of the touching surfaces in the joint which produces an uneven movement in the first place. The new design from the most recent hand-restoring video is way better in that regard. I'm selling this new version in my shop btw., have a look if you're interested: vf-kinetics.de/index.php?route=product/category&path=59

@@ValentinFelder Ok thanks buddy! And what do you think about soldering ''at the bottom'' of the screws? 🤔

@@BRAD-ROTT To prevent it from turning lose? I think it would not work to solder it without destroying the joint, and even if you figure out a way to do it you end up with a joint of arbitrary tension you cannot adjust anymore...

Maybe, it's hard to estimate, but I'm already working on the next improved version ;)

I think I can't say more about jointed fingers than in the video, you see my entire production process in there. If you want to give it a try, make them a bit bigger and use brass rather than steel for a start. But its not easy and required a variety of tools... Wire joints are really easy of course, you can use pieces of small tubing to prevent the wire from bending in areas where you want it to stay straight, but of course wire will break more easy when it is forced to bend in sharp turnes...

😄 How dare you! - But I made sure to not use my finger prints to unlock anything important, there are plenty of reasons why this might be a bad idea... Anyways, Thanks! :)

@@ValentinFelder 😄👍

He has ;) -> vf-kinetics.de/ Or just contact me at info@dasgetriebeimsand.de if you need something custom made.

I have an improved version available in my shop now at vf-kinetics.de - But it's still a lot of work to assemble each piece by hand and they are only produced in small batches.

Thank! - I'm not sure to which parts you are referring, but I usually use plywood and lasercutting. I let the cutting do by a company with a really good laser machine, and one of the big advantages of the laser is that it doesn't leave any burs on the parts, just smoothly burnt edges...

@@ValentinFelder I think RU-vid auto-played on to the next video and I commented here. I meant to refer to the latest of your videos with furniture laser cut in wood. Like 2:06 in the the latest video. I didn't know plywood was an option with such thin pieces. I just assumed you had your own machine since you cut all the metal stuff yourself! :)

@@LarsLeonhard Ah I see :D - Yeah, we use 2, 3 and 4mm Plywood and it's even available in 1mm thickness. - No, I always outsource the lasercutting for wood as well as metal. The cheap home machines are just not good enough for what I need and the industrial ones are completely unaffordable :D Sometime's I cut single parts manually with a jewelers saw, for single pieces it's often easier than to do all the CAD and wait for the parts etc... Lasercutting for batches, manual saw for single parts ;)

@@ValentinFelder That makes a lot of sense - to outsource it. Can I ask you where you get the metal parts done? I fail til find a place in Denmark.

@@LarsLeonhard I don't know about Denmark, but there are multiple Companies in Germany who offer Lasercutting. I've used "Wagner Lasertechnik" and "HailTec" - But all the companies capable of cutting metal are industrial suppliers and they usually don't want "consumers" as customers, have to act like another company when you approach them. :D - And they require clean DXF-Files, no Adobe Illustrator stuff and alike, and it can be really expensive compared to wood, just so you're warned! ;)

:D Thanks - I know that movie and really love it! Though I'd wish it were stopmotion...

It may be possible. If you're interested in commissioning something please contact me at info@dasgetriebeimsand.de and provide some more details please ;)

It does! :D But it's easily possible to remove the silicone with no damage from the armature again ;)

I manufactured these customized to my puppets, but I do commission work as well and I'm planning to manufacture a small batch for sale in the near future. But keep in mind that a hand like this involves a lot of tiny high precision parts and has more joints than an entire average armature... So the hands will be a bit expensive anyway, even when making a small series instead of unique pieces. Feel free to contact me at info@dasgetriebeimsand.de if you're seriously interested! ;)

If a german guy is saying "a bit expensive" that can be translated for "a lot of money", but obviously it takes many hours of specialized quality work.

Thank you very much! :) I don't want to go into details here in the comment section, but I can say they are a bit expensive, as it takes a lot of time to handcraft each piece to the needed precision. To give an idea, depending on the scale and the complexity it's about 25-50 hours per pair. Multiply that by a reasonable hourly wage plus materials cost and it's usually more than small productions can spend :D Anyway, if you want to get an exact offer please contact me via Mail at info@dasgetriebeimsand.de ;)

That’s not bad at all. Like you said, yes it’s a bit over the films budget but thanks for responding. I will try to creat my own hand armatures from everything I have learned from your videos!thank you very much and I hope some day people like you can be appreciated much much more

Hey there, thanks for your interest! I sell a newer version of these made out of stainless steel. They still involve a lot of handcraft, the price is 310-320€ per pair, depending on the size. Feel free to contact me by mail if you want more information or want to order something: info@dasgetriebeimsand.de

@@ValentinFelder Thankyou lol out of my range of spending 320 euro on a pair of hands, for full spend on a rig and manikin maybe..we are in a new world now where costs are crippling. Anyway take care and all the best in your productions

Schau mal bei "Kaupo", da gibt es eine große Auswahl und wir haben bislang alles dort gekauft.

@@ValentinFelder ja ok, aber ich muss ja wissen wonach ich gucken muss, ich kenne ja nicht die Bezeichnung um das richtige Silikon zu finden für Hände, da gibt es einen unterschied, den das Formsilikon was ich verwende ich zu steif. ich brauch was sehr weiches. Für Aluminium Hände.

@@winchesters1562 "Dragonskin" wird viel verwendet, das funktioniert ganz gut und ist färbbar.

@@ValentinFelder Kein Treffer bei Kaupo

0,5cm ist wirklich extrem klein... Das könntest du höchstens versuchen aus sehr dünnen drähten zu bauen, mit Gelenken wird das nichts. ;)

@@ValentinFelder sicher hm...

A new improved design is available at around ~350 USD -> vf-kinetics.de/index.php?route=product/category&path=59 ...more are in the making ;)

I have them available in my shop, www.vf-kinetics.de if you're interested. But I don't think you would be able to find such parts anywhere, at least not in this scale, it was a huge effort for me to make it work at all...

@@ValentinFelder Valentin, your prices are exorbitantly expensive and incredibly over-priced. I am not diminishing your work, but your valuations are way OTT, which is probably resulting in very tiny sales for you. There is no rocket science in any of these parts, and whilst I understand that testing and perfecting is very time consuming, it does not warrant anywhere near the aspirational price tags that you have placed on these items. I don't mean to offend or upset, just completely shocked by how much you think you can charge for essentially nuts, bolts and small clamps. I am confident that very similar parts with equal properties can be bought in bulk, thus dramatically reduce the cost and time involved. Yes, there will be customisations, but it won't involve reinventing the wheel. Best of luck hitting your first million, but I think you need to be more realistic in your prices in order to help generate sales.