Minion Builds Are SUPER Bugged - And It's All Because of This Aspect... Testing Aphotic Aspect 

I have similar cdr on my thorns minion necro. I'm not using aphotic/shadow damage at all. My golem has virtually no cooldown and i can spam tendrils back to back to back when there's enough enemies. The cdr gets so high that sometimes it looks like tendrils doesn't even cast, but it does. Army of the dead can be maintained 100% uptime with enough density. The only downside is that this only works if you don't have enough dmg to 1shot everything. If you wanted to figure out what's causing that i can send my build over.

I really admire how much efforts u put in those tests. Amazing man.

Great information! Thank you for the testing. Keep the tests coming. Looking forward to your blight video, I assume you're dropping soon. I really want more info on Ebonpiercer. Can you test and verify if the minions can abuse any of the lucky hit stuff from tempering? I can be more specific if needed.

Hi Mac. I believe whats happening is…. Aphotic turns their dmg into shadow… then 10 attacks from the warriors will proc shadowblight. This damage from shadowblight has 100% luckyhit against abhorrent decrepify. This is why CD reduction is more when u use aphotic.

This explains why I have SOOOOO much cooldown reduction & minion damage after getting The Ring of the Sacrilegious Soul & Blood Moon Breeches. One of Ring of the Sacrilegious Soul's perks is that it autocast's Raise Skeletons every 1.4 seconds (procs 3-5 seconds on average) if chosen out of the three perks (other 2 being Corpse explosion every 1.4 seconds and Corpse Tendril every 11 seconds with the specific ring I have) which as you mentioned procs Aphotic. It also procs the Raise Skeleton active effect of empowering minions for 8 seconds, increasing damage from minions by 30% and healing minions for 25% of max health. I basially have near instant Golem cooldown reduction (around 1-3 seconds), near instant Blood mist (every 1-5 seconds) and near instant Bone Storm Ultimate going from a normal 60 seconds down to between 15-20 seconds on average (mind you Bone Storm last 10 seconds on it's own WITHOUT Bone Storm duartion temper which I have) all basically on autopilot. The Blood Moon Breeches has a 7% chance for your minions to curse enemies which applies the cooldown reduction from decrepify and empowers you for 70% overpower damage. It's has been smooth sailing ever since I got those two Uniques.

Super interesting - thank you for the breakdown!

I swapped out Hulking for Aphotic, and the difference in cooldowns to every skill was immediate and profound. Bone storm CD went from 40ish seconds to less than 20.

out of curiosity, did you test this without applying the curse just to see if the shadow/stun buff alone made them proc cooldown reduction ?

Oh man, this cleared up tons of confusion. I was running minions while leveling and I had no idea why my cool downs were being eaten away

I like a lot of people love being able to play minions but you just reminded me about shadow surfer. Do you have a s4 version? I really liked playing it

Thank you for the vid! This is why I copy tested builds vs building one; viability is limited by code which is beyond my control. I wish I could customize, would be more fun. Cheers!

Ok Mac please correct me if I am wrong in my understanding: curses have an unseen 100% lucky hit chance - all/both curses? I am running Aphotic but with Iron Maiden because of the Torturous Aspect as a test for a dark/minion build. Am I going to see this same bugged interaction?

Even if you dont play diablo this shit is still interesting just learning about how all this shit works

Wow, I like these kind of videos. Very informative with data to back it up. I will subscribe to your channel. BTW, I have a question: Does Minion thorns trigger Abhorrent Decrepify? Last season you made video saying they "fixed" minion to not trigger decrepify lucky hit anymore. But, how about this season?

Appreciate the video.

Hah, here I was thinking the increase in decrep procs I were experiencing, was due to Tyrael's Might! - But when I swapped to Tyrael's Might I also swapped from Golem focus to Mage focus which also made room for Aphotic. I did a few tests (no where near enough to be considered a reliable sample size) and I don't think Tyrael's Might is proccing it at all... The more you know :)

Is there a way to work this in to a shadow minion bonestorm blight build?

Did season 4 change with minions and the interaction with thorns aspect? I cant find anyone that has tested if it was.

It's like they gave the Skelly Stun portion Aphotic Aspect its own separate lucky hit chance proc that is also a pretty high % chance.

This aspect is not just reducing the skill cooldowns, it also causes stacking up shadowblight faster. I tested it with my necro and it takes approx. 11 seconds without the aspect to get the 10 stacks and with the aspect just approx. 7 seconds

Awesome content! Was just curious if there are any youtubers (besides rob) that deep dive like this into barbarians as well? Anyone know?

Mechanics god!

What aspect would you replace for Aphotic that's currently in the end game shadow minions build?

Why does Abhorrent Decrepify work with minions anyway if their lucky hit coefficient is 0? This is referenced many times in the videos about this build but I'm just curious why it works. Edit: apparently its because Reapers and Defenders have a special attack which has a non-zero (probably 100%?) coefficient. Scythe attack on the Reapers and a shield slam on the Defenders. Normal melee attacks do indeed have 0 coefficient and all lucky hit interactions for those are disabled.

Wondering if i should replace Hulking aspect with it?

I only have the 11% version so far but holy %$@$ does this make bloodmist spammable.. ty!!!!!!

I've seen a situation, my golem hit a crit over power, every single attack from all of minions were crit overpowers for the next six seconds or so. I was awesome

Im sure Blizzard will fix rhis soon, but barbs can still have their broken bugbuild😄

Based on your shadow minions endgame/pit build what aspect would you recommend dropping for this aspect instead?

Hewed flesh does not seem to proc off of warriors or mages hits, unless they are the reapers. Is that intended?? shouldn't i be creating corpses off any dmg??

I am using the shadow minion bone prison build that you and raxx have posted what aspect would I drop from that to apply this one?

Any chance this affects the elemental surge temper with shadow damage ?

I am starting to enjoy your videos more than the game itself.

Can this "feature" of 100% lucky hit fit with Andariel's visage helmet for more poison damage?

I thought to gain this ability you had to use raise skeleton to get that timer and that is what the priest effects are. Have I been misunderstanding how to trigger the priest effects?

Most shadow minion builds don't seem to use Aphotic. Does anyone have a build link for an endgame build that has been updated now that the season has been out for a couple of weeks?

We now needs attack speed breakpoints for minions!

part of the potential in this game thumbs up

I use this aspect and I just spam blood mist during Lilith fights. There is literally no cooldown.

My thought was that the shadow damage allowed for additional shadowblight procs, triggering additional Decrepify CD.

Would elemental surge trigger the same check, or because it’s an lucky hc itself it wouldn’t? Asking for a victimize (rogue) friend

I’m running a standard golem necro that uses Kalans edict, if I use aphotic do I need to switch to shadowblight?

I was wondering wtf was going on. I thought my attack speed was just high af and i was getting lucky 😂

that's pretty cool

My golem slam isnt doing damage to bosses anymore since the update.

I know you’re a minion man, but I’d really like a breakdown on the issues with sorcs vulnerability problems.

so which aspect do we swap out for aphotic?

Is there any way to abuse X'fal with minions like this?

12:03 :-)

So can shadow damage crit, I've watched a vid saying you can't but u keep seeing crit damage colour number on shadow damage over time

I didn't think minions would get your lucky hit chance

You so clever man 🫡

This seems only proc decrepify -CD, not other lucky hit effect.

wait, couldn't you get infinite Bloodmist uptime with this plus the ring of sacrilegious souls and still have all your strong minion stuff? The cooldown reset took 22 seconds on a 50 second skill, so on a 20 second skill it should be like 10 seconds and maybe even less when you slap some Bloodmist Cooldown Reduction on it. Sounds like you could still have your golem hit for billions of damage while being completely immune yourself

Same thing seems to be happening with the amplify glyph... or am I late to the party and everyone knows this?

Does this kind of answer the mystery of why minions specifically trigger decrepify lucky hit? Its not the minions and decripfy really. Rather, its the stun from decrepify causing the lucky hit procs

Dude please shhhhh

is still still active after patch 1.4.1?

Casting the priest is increasing attack speed isn't it? The minions are just hitting 4x as many times per second. Run the same test without the aphotic equipped and still spamming skeletal priests to buff the minions attack speed. Probably same results.

Another Question? There are so many minions and shadow minions builds, ist your shadow minion viable? I saw many builds from pwnyhof with blood Mist. I dont know which is better now. Too much builds 😂

d4 bugged

Are you doing Blizzard math all day or actually play the game?

i feel this season u can look at almost any S tier build that clears deep pit and immediately know they either have a buggy interaction or unintentional double dipping XD blizzard should just observe tier lists and leaderboards and hotfix this kinda stuff the moment it gets discovered cause its kinda lame how these bugged builds skew the power expectation of builds. Also R.I.P to sorc that cant bug abuse 🤣

Wow, this stuff is complicated, lol

does blizzard even test their games it's ridiculous how much bugs/exploit there are in this game

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I always thought minions had our lucky hit chance since they inherited 100% of our stats...so you are telling me minions are good because they are bugged ? NotLikeThis

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东西很好，但真的是很啰嗦/