Minister K Shanmugam vs Facebook's Simon Milner [Select Committee on Deliberate Online Falsehoods] 

lol reminds me of the rock "It doesnt matter what u say!"

No he tried to use a dictatorial approach and breach of privacy and irrelevant red herrings. The angmoh was spot on in his replies. They can silence Singaporeans and bully them but doing it to other people is laughable. It feels like they think they have a monopoly over the world.

@@sarishmohar9386 Care to elaborate on your first point on how K Shan's explanation constituted to a dictatorial approach, a breach of privacy, and the use of irrelevant red herrings? Also if you want, do share as well how Simon Milner was spot on in his replies.

Hahahaha IT WAS EPIC !!! damn! he was so calm while saying all this! i would have lost it when the Facebook guy was frowning and talking back

It's like Dwayne Johnson's modified attitude.. "it doesn't matter"

mash maddy he is not an indian.. he is a singapore born Tamilian

@@MrVijayranganathan why don't you tell that to his face ?

Ben...amaa..va?

Haha. Malaysian politicians are c grade quality compared to Singapore A+

@@mingyuhuang8944 agreed to dis ‘ dis ‘ agree

Malaysian people majority will vote for someone who is of the same race than someone with a good track record. In Singapore, the voters will vote for someone with a good track record of if the candidate is new, vote for the party with a good track record.

Hahaha so true

I thought Malaysian minister will scold them "fcuk you" ?

The ang mo would have been crushed and humiliated if it was LKY talking to him.

Then why did he go such great lengths to give a detailed explanation.......

@@evolution8662 Like you said, it's an explanation - not a question. So he didn't need an answer

Steve...bravo you mean?

Stevie in Malaysia Boleh itself we do hv such a Character & outstanding Politician none other than Mohamed MatSaBo fm Amanah Party.

U cannot forget that Mr Shanmugam was a brilliant lawyer before being appointed as a minister😉

He was a top litigator before entering into politics

Milner did not win...you mean?

Native speakers often try to bludgeon the non-native speakers with speed and flow of their speech, use of subtle underhanded phrases, or simply gaslight the opponent pointing out irrelevant, often false character flaws.

teach a lesson of what ?

Agree - a lesson of what? Anyone can be arrogant or mince their words with others.

Timothy Sun 一个内心阴暗的人是不会懂,的就没资格问,永远的没有资格。

Fendy1 你问我干嘛,问你自己呀

Siao ah? Teach everyone how to be rude? His answers to Milner was extremely rude. Professional but god damn fucking rude. He wants Milner to listen to him but when Milner wants to reply, he shuts him down. Now I know Facebook has a huge security breach but the word "Regulation" that Shanmugam used to me isn't right and extremely pushy. Facebook is Facebook. It's an OPEN platform where everyone can share whatever that's within the guidelines of the company's policy and if people are unhappy with the content, you can report and block the post but calling for a nation by nation regulation is just plain stupid and shows just how much monopolization and god damn downright cheap our government can be. Not that it's totally just ranting but if Milner wants to explain, let him do it. No need to shut him down with the final comment of "I don't need your replies". That's Shanmugam being disrespectful AND showed maximum arrogance towards Milner like "I know I have won so fuck off and keep that comment to yourself" like how Grace Fu did to Slyvia Lim during the GST "balloon" hike debate. Must this hearing go on? Sure. But must it be so disrespectful? No.

he was appointed as vp for apac around the time of this proceeding

@Elon Musk Eh you Cheena sucking white 🍌ah? 😂

If you watched the whole hearing, not just this short snippet, you'd see that Milner actually makes very good and earnest points. Shanmugam, understandably, is trying to apply pressure to force a slip up by Milner to admit guilt and to cast doubt on his current & previous testament. Clearly his training in litigation. He demanded "yes/no" responses to questions that were clearly very, very nuanced. Basically either a "yes" or "no" by Milner would have been detrimental to Milner's cause, since the situation was not as simple as a "yes/no". I have a tendency to side with Shanmugam, but after 3 hours of this non stop? Milner did a fantastic job in defending his own, and is on par or arguably better than Shanmugam. Even Shanmugam conceded that several times.

Yes. There is no doubt Milner had put up a very good defense to the questions posed by Shanmugan. Yes there are indeed nuances involved; be it from a technical, personal, cultural, business or even political perspective. I believe most of us too had digested the rest of the online video materials available on this saga. However, it does not rule off the obligations and duties of FB and their partners, stated or otherwise; a giant global online social platform that profits billions of dollars off human data. Apart from the willing participation of its worldwide users who feverishly utilize their platform for trivial purposes, there are some that does so with other covert intents that may seek to disrupt the public order of the civilized world. Hence, based on past performances and illustrations of statements given on other occasion and venue, it is natural for people of authority to start off this hearing with due diligent knowledge of prior said factors, to remind large corporations and their minions, that they too, are subjected to public duty and scrutiny of the country which they choose to operate in. To put it bluntly, once a company, or individual, arrives to a certain size of influence, economic prowess, or other positions of power, please exercise appropriate CSR and apply good internal governance to the business in question. In this specific case, although different governments of different countries can have a separate agenda with FB in mind, the position of our government is to prevent FB's potential of allowing our society to fall apart through their presence. There are just too many examples of such in some parts of this world, where social media, especially FB, are utilized to overturn societies by arousing collective dissent through their platform. Just google the infamous Arab Springs. FB, along with their representatives and partners, are grilled on various related sessions, to allow everyone a glimpse of how global corporate oligarchies react on record. You do witness how Milner's seek to cautiously thread along the questions, where he was observed to be evading personal liabilities although he was called upon as a representative. This blurred sense of obligations happens when personal and corporate interests are not aligned, hence Milner's mention, on 'hindsight' several times during his statement. With that, although FB and partners are presented as private entities and not private individual, the stress to emphasis on their collective duty to the public is reinforced, not extinguished, although Milner may draw personal sympathies as a private individual from this hearing with our panel. Besides, they are still operating with no restrictions here. With that in mind, our judicial representatives reminded FB and partners, that they must not be operating without account to stakeholders anywhere, especially SG, as their platform has the unique ability to affect a larger sphere of theatrics in the world of politics, economy and social activities. For now, we can either view Shanmugam's performance as a political representation, or, an individual representing a nation, who serves to lead as a brute reminder to corporate globalist, that we are not your herds. I am no one's sheep but I applaud Shanmugan and the panel's effort to put questionable globalists' conduct in place. No government is perfect. No human is perfect. But the intent to guard and protect the SG people and the way of life here is pretty obvious. Please do not misplace your sympathies. It is only too tempting. I worry for our people's ability to discern and stay sovereign amidst all these tug of war emotional games that is getting out of hand. One can only imagine how messy SG will be when real upheaval happens on our land with our current mix of minds and hearts.

Wow that is so cool. Just because Mr Shanmugam is a south indian, you decided to credit the entire community for their "pride in their education & ethics". Nice

@@rgseven6557 lol milner is just a 200k staff on vp level in facebook, hired by zuckerberg to defend the company. The questions only his boss can answer. But no, mark zuckerberg wants to be good guy.

Hi Nick, fortunately U do hv a calibre Politician likes Mohamed MatSabo very Charismatic ,& brilliant in speech Giver.

All the malays are also super intelligent and very hard working people 24/7. Plenty of queens counsel everywhere. In singapore only one lah. Malaysia really boleh .

We are Malaysians until you kicked us out.

@@youtubet3e416 hahaha, to be accurate were. Not are. Actually i don't think it's only Malaysia kick Singapore out. I personally think that PM LKY also don't mind and wanted to be out. I have to say that personally i think PM LKY made the right choice. In the 90's i still remembered that i watched an advertisement in SG regarding about Fernleaf milk saying that they have 1mil cow same population as the Singaporean. Today SG have 5.45 mil which is already 1/6 of such a big Malaysia. Can imagine how much the economy growth in SG. Kudos!

Too bad his skin color not qualified

Well Facebook probably thought Singapore is a small market so they don't really care if they lose access to Singapore. I doubt they'll dare to do this to China, India, Indonesia, etc.

@@AbcdEfgh-sq2tf yeah true, sg is only small market, at most sg govt block the website. The fact is US Congress won't regulate them.

There is no direct relevance between US parliamentary hearings vs Singapore parliamentary hearings honestly. You can draw conclusions, but confronting it directly isn't a good way to start a conversation. It's actually very offensive to grill FB like that.

@@rnegoro1 In SG what can u do, i'm sure the witnesses are very pissed off by the grilling. Their agenda is to maintain SG as market yet don't offend government. The staff of fb, twitter, google are sent to do just that. If govt want to block their website, they are also fine. Small pie lost. Conclusion is they will not take down posts. Sham lost here I felt, looking at the final result now they are still operating freely in Singapore.

that guy.. is a minister in Singapore now

@@edwardgoeij the white guy is a minister? I said to his left.

@@edwardgoeij . no wonder he looks familiar

Since you like so much, come apply for citizenship.

Eric Tan Thank you Eric, but I took my citizenship for USA. But I definitely don’t mind working in Singapore as expatriate.

Eric Tan they don’t give citizenship these days unless you got money or are from China

See the hypocrisy of foreigners, say the country is so great and benefited from the system and yet, choose to be under Uncle Sam roof.

DB hypocrite

This piece of Nobody uses the services of FB to promote his political career n turned on them. This is what an ungrateful loser looks like. What does USA Parliamentary session got to do with Singapore??? Best part the one being questioned have no part in it. This is what a Witch Hunt looks like. I hate to use any term out of Trump Playbook. Seeing both Trump n this washed up Min San is cut from the same cloth. Why not!

Absolutely. If the person is not able to clarify on his position, there could be some reasons as to why. Then, let's look at other aspects and historical records, which may speak on the conduct that the person carries himself or he is acting on behalf of (or with) a hidden, guised, or unspoken agenda.

I thought it was hearing....didnt know it was a boxing match...

Reuben Sher Think you are probably right. Pity I did not realize.

it was a hearing until milner decided that he was going to run it his way..then it became a boxing match, and it was too late by teh time he realised he was in the ring with MIKE TYSON.

Mark Zuckerberg won't want to be regulated by the govt, the more take downs the less content and less successful business. Facebook is already dying mode.

Charles Howe heard of parliamentary debates?

Ye Hang Yeo childish

@Charles Howe. They do. Pls watch Channel 5 for parliamentary debates. Both WP and PAP engage in constructive dialogue. I'm yet to find one instance where the ruling PAP was found wanting in answers.

@ Ye Hang If you live in an imaginary utopia, then stay there in your own fool's paradise. We live in the real world!! I have not seen a more erudite, visionary and honest cabinet of ministers anywhere in the world, as I saw in SG. FYI I have lived in at least 4 countries for a period of 2 years or longer. UK and Canada while one could concede, they have proportional representation in the parliament with opposing views, the politics is so bitter and negative its only counterproductive. Democracy is not about popular debates that get TRPs for TV channels. Democracy is all about actual work on the ground for Citizenry. Show me one country that readily gives away an Ang-bao in the form of subsidized flats worth 100K S$ to every citizen. IF you can't be grateful and positive, at least step aside and stop making uninformed judgments.

@Ye Heng, Congratulations on the 100K S$ Ang Bao. Thanks to Mr. LKY's vision. You might very well experienced Singapore politics closely compared to me. But then that is just an insider's perspective. I have lived in 4 different countries and an active follower of Politics both domestic and International. As a Singaporean, you might have demands from the Govt that are met or unmet and by all means raise them. But have a sense of proportion with what's happening in the rest of the world. For all your complaints and qualms you and I know you won't even move to Johor for crying out loud. Now coming to Parliamentary conduct and the specific speech you are referring to, this is not even newsworthy in rest of the world.

The point is its not on milners part to clarify the pupose, rather its the lawyers, which was clearly pointed out by the chairman and shanmugam himself.

Najib.... steals hundreds of millions of dollars, has wife steal more, been the subject of numerous news outlet exposès, and still able to walk freely and come to Singapore to visit family....

You’re asking a lot 🤣

Can you provide a link to it, of course only if you want to.

There is only one really intelligent one there

The sheer calmness and his ability to never break a smile...scary..

Mark Zuckerberg won't face this, only send his staff to answer. Such questions only he can answer. I doubt he is interested for facebook to be regulated, not in his interest to take down posts. In US is perfectly alright not to answer to congress, large corporations are stronger than government.

Cambridge analytica was a massive shitfest tho. Like which representative wld walk in there not expecting it to surface? He obviously was advised not to answer cause it may deviate from things that was said in uk, us n stir the hornets nest again.