Interview of Dmitry Gordon with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Dmitry Kuleba. 2022
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00:00 announcement
01:31 about Dmitry Kuleb
03:34 “When I became a minister, my father was the Ukrainian ambassador to Armenia. He called and said "I won't stand in your way"
04:53 about mom
05:44 what countries did father work in
07:18 “I have been haunted all my life by the phrase: “He is too young for this position”
09:42 “President Zelensky brought fighting qualities to our diplomacy. Before the start of the war"
13:03 “In September 2021, at a meeting at the State Department, a man came and told Yermak and me: “Well, guys, dig trenches”
17:36 "It was important for Russia that we somehow provoked them"
19:07 “I was sure that the war would be local, in the Donbass. And she will have three goals.”
21:49 "At the meeting at the White House, Biden's entire inner circle comes out, and each of them gives me a parting look"
26:55 what I talked about with Biden on February 22 in the Oval Office of the White House
29:03 "NATO discussed the prospects for Ukraine in the event of a full-scale war, and everyone agreed that 72 hours and the end"
30:40 "Biden showed me a photo of his deceased son and said:" First of all, you should think about your children"
32:25 "The fact that there will be no war was not said by the leadership of Ukraine, but by some people who have access to it"
34:26 "With all due respect to the United States, with all sympathy and empathy, you need to maintain a sober mind"
35:47 about the first day of the war: “I am sitting in the USA on a plane and reading the news: “The plane in Boryspil, which was taking off, was turned around and parked. I got it"
37:28 "When on February 24 all the flight attendants of the Istanbul-Warsaw flight were with Ukrainian flags, I could not hold back my tears"
39:28 “Duda said to me: “We will be with you as long as you fight”
41:05 “No matter how you prepare for war, it will still put you in front of a million unexpected tasks”
42:32 “Zelensky said: “I’m so sorry that you are not in Kyiv now and you don’t see how we beat Russians”
44:44 "Zelensky surprised with his absolute confidence in victory"
47:05 "The fact that the economy will go to hell was the main deterrent to more open preparations for the defense of the country"
48:28 “The story that supposedly Western weapons are spreading from Ukraine around the world is the Battle of Stalingrad in the information space”
50:32 on negotiations with Lavrov in Turkey: “He believes in all this blizzard”
53:17 "Lavrov said that all the photos of pregnant women from the bombed maternity hospital in Mariupol are fakes"
55:15 "We have to explain to Western partners that the world will not fall apart if Russia is defeated"
56:02 on the role of Abramovich in negotiations with Russia
56:45 about why Scholz, Macron and Draghi came to Kyiv
1:01:39 "President Macron believed that it was necessary to maintain dialogue and communicate with Putin"
1:02:13 “I said to Blinken: “I want to write my memoirs in Kyiv, and not in exile, like all the previous leaders of Ukraine who fought for its freedom”
1:04:07 "Ukraine is part of Johnson's political life"
1:07:27 “People's perception of our politics is very European-American-centric. And there are a lot of very interesting countries in the world.”
1:08:30 "Western leaders say, 'You've become unconstructive.' And we answer: "It's because we stopped bending under you"
1:10:46 "Negotiations to disconnect Russian banks from SWIFT - it was Armageddon"
1:12:11 about nervous tension and sleep
1:14:39 what happened to the leg?
1:16:40 whether Russia is recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism
1:18:32 will Europe cancel visas for Russian citizens
1:20:33 how can Russians who do not support the war and Putin enter Europe
1:22:54 about Erdogan's policy towards Russia
1:24:12 when the war ends
1:25:12 about the tribunal for Putin
1:25:37 “Even if Russia becomes free after Putin, it will soon slide into despotism anyway”
1:27:18 "Ukraine is definitely part of the West"
1:28:20 whether China supports Russia
1:28:50 "To be with Ukraine today is to be on the right side of history, on the side of good"
3 май 2024
