I’d love there to be a liquid/fuel shipping loop for the Starfarer. Resupplying far out stations with fuel or moving fresh water to moon bases. Or even having the option to swap the tanks out for shipping containers like the Raft.
*"I’d love there to be a liquid/fuel shipping loop for the Starfarer. Resupplying far out stations with fuel or moving fresh water to moon bases."* This is an excellent idea.
The Starfarer is like 80% of the way towards being a total gem... once that 20% gets ironed out, I think it's going to be amazing. As a ROC hauler I think it has a ton of potential!
It was designed as an FPS map, not a ship. The rework will radically change it. Otherwise, it's a dog full of fuel, with better alternatives for cargo.
It should be pointed out that the internals of this ship are scheduled (date not yet) for a complete rework. So this review is largely moot. Thanks for the Vid! ♥
@@justalex4214 no, not internals, there are only a few that are getting massive changes, most are getting small ones like larger hallways for NPC,s, or component space, but not like this one, an entire interior rework, so might as well be a different ship.
I could see if you and your org were doing a whole lot of bounty missions together having this ship around to refuel your teammates ship would give this ship a perfect use case scenario. Especially for pirates that do not want to land on surfaces to vulnerable and to just keep things moving. But for long play sessions with 5-8 other players all working together this wouldn’t be a bad ship to have around. It really needs to be able to refill itself like you said.
If it could do that, it would be much more viable for those scenarios you describe. Otherwise, you need 2 so they can refuel each other and everybody else, and it just gets a bit much
Future feature for the ship. They already have the vents at the front and you'll be able to replace the nosegun on the civ version with an additional vent. Eventually the idea is that the Starfairer will be able to sub atmo into gas giants and other hydrogen sources to source and refine their own hydrogen. Quantum on the other hand you'd have to swap with a refinery ship.
My hope: - Faster route to the cockpit and habitation area - The ability to refuel itself - Ability to lock doors open (or just less doors tbh) - Better use of the dead space/space in general - Slot for a shuttle/snub? - Faster access to the turrets - More shields
@@Starach Looking forward to seeing a Re-work before the 10 year anniversary of the original Starfarer pledge comes up. I want to see some sort of med bay as well inside this massive building of a ship.
I imagine this as homebase of a mining operation. Combined with a fleet of prospectors and a couple of expanses as part of the mining group. It would work as a cargo transport and refueling hub.
With this ship I had one of the most memorable moments I had in game so far. I was part of a cargo clean up crew for ERTs, and a Starfarer had cargo we wanted but we couldn't open the bay doors from outside. So I had to look for some sort of crew entrance - I was very unfamiliar with the ship - found one, got access to the inside, had to find my way to the cargo bay which I couldn't open from the inside either, then looked for the cockpit to try to open the doors from there. There was a dead pilot corpse on the chair, had to take him out, sat on the chair and opened all ships doors - which worked even in the ship soft death state - then head back to get the cargo with my buddy. It was an awesome Star Citizen truly unique moment!
This video is so useful! I've always wondered what the Starfarer was like to practically use - it's super handy that you keep referencing the Starboard and Port side while doing the tour. In fact your walkthrough generally I think is better than looking up any map as I now feel like I've got a pretty good grip on how to get around when I buy one in game.
"Let's make a flying FPS Shooter Map as a starship!" I hope that interior will really be revisited one day, though I like the massive silhouette of the Starfarer. They then should keep the old interior for the wreck site version of the ship though, because as FPS interior it actually works great.
I absolutely love all the shots in your vidéos where you show the ship just roaming in space with a planet or beautiful background behind, your videos capture so well the beauty of this game
Yeah, so much ends on the cutting room floor too lol - this game is amazing for flying around and enjoying the scenery, and we only have a handful of planets and moons so far!
I've had a Gemini since the original concept sale in 2015, but it's definitely something I've always expected to not be very useful until the PU is MUCH further along. I think people willing to get one and sit on it till we have multiple systems as well as filling the tanks by scooping from gas giant atmospheres will be pleased eventually, but in the meantime there's not much to do with the Starfarer in either variation.
I pledged this ship back in 2013. This ship's interior is an amazing example of how their design thinking from concept to reality has had to change over the last decade. It is an "FPS minigame level" built into a theoretically functional ship.
The interior of the Starfarer feels less like a ship interior and more like a FPS level. Loved doing Fuel Rat stuff in ED, would be fun when it becomes more necessary in SC.
My play group already gets a lot of great use from this amazing ship. We do lare group mining operations where we can extend field activities. It's not "nessisary" but we see it as good practice for future operations.
I love the exterior looks of the Starfarer, it really looks amazing. The interior isn't far off either, just needs a primary elevator that leads to all decks instead of those two small ones hidden in the back that leads to the top. That and a captains quarter that doesn't have gaping holes instead of doors haha. I still however have no idea what the crawl spaces are for.
@@Farrister Yeah, I definitely failed to take that into account in my comment. I should have mentioned that I believe a preliminary adjustment to quantum fuel levels across the board will come when Pyro is made available. This ship should be comparable to something like a KC-135 or similar - a long range refueler. Where the Vulcan likely would be a more limited range support craft (something like one of the U.S. Carrier-based refueling aircraft - probably inspired by the old S-3 Viking).
Within Stanton this game loop is not as useful but perhaps when Pyro domes out the refueling game loop will be better. As I own the Starfarer I also find it sluggish and I have used it for both refueling other players and trading cargo. Though mostly I refuel those within my own Organization. I like the ship overall and hope that in time there is more refinement done to it.
The top contender for the ship most needing an interior rework. It's a real mess and the slaughterhouse stainless steel finish doesn't help. I really want to like the ship but like you said the current implementation isn't up to the bar yet for multiple reasons. Let's hope one day it will reach that bar and become great.
I thought of some ways to make refuelling a player safer: -For the client to be refuelled, they'll need to lower shields and turn off engines (as in the Starfarer wont be able to refuel you if you don't do those things). It's important to note that the refueler wont have to lower its shields. It's just a one way thing. -I didn't really see where the 2 back turrets were, but they should both be in a perfect position to shoot at the client in case he decides to go A-wire. The fact that you need turrets to be active will also encourage multi-crew gameplay. -Definitely make those turrets able to "move" around the ship (like put them on rails or something) to increase their covering area. -Just give dummy thick shields and powerplants to the thing! -Maybe add a second refuelling probe. I don't really know why but it couldn't hurt I guess.
couldnt help but watch this after jumping on zan's starfarer last night such a massive ship, i cant wait until engineering gameplay is introduced having been called scotty all my childhood you'll find me there lol
I love this ship! The interior, once you get used to it, is actually amazing - you have vertical traversal options everywhere, and can get to what you need to quickly if you know what you're doing. The 'engine room' you found is the placeholder for the quantanium refinery. You missed a really important aspect to the pilot size 4 turrets - unlike gimbals, they can swing in a almost hemispherical range, 90 degrees left and right and most of the way up and down too. Using manual gimbal control, this gives the pilot a huge engagement zone, and makes it a lot easier to use in combat. I definitely consider the Gemini the penultimate version of the starfarer. Its not for everybody, but I fell in love with it. refueling needs tweaks, most especially being able to refuel itself. The KC-135 it was inspired by was designed with that feature from the get go. In CIGs defense, they wanted to do that but apparently ran into some sort of technical block. Can't wait to see where this ships gameplay goes as resource and engineering gameplay come on line. Diamond in the rough.
@@Farrister yes, it does. Flying the Gemini as a pocket carrier/bounty ship is what got me started on HOSAM+R as my flight setup, specifically to get the full use of those turrets. The auto-lockon cone for gimbals is hopelessly small in a ship that maneuvers as poorly as the Starfarer does, and also the AI that handles the gimbals breaks just like any other AI. This can leave a starfarer defenseless in a solo pilot situation, neatly sidestepped if you have manual gimbal control.
@Farrister Another first class video. Outstanding! Question: which GPU do you use in your gaming PC? I ask because I'm planning to upgrade, and I want to know what others are enjoying these days.
Right now star citizen is CPU bound for most systems. The question is what you're monitor resolution is, as that will determine what GPU you need. Additionally there is significant performance improvement in SC by having 32gb of ram. I would say any 30 series + Nvidia GPU will be sufficient for 1080p Star citizen, but you'd need a powerful cpu for good frames. Higher resolutions will need more powerful gpu such as a 3080
@@Adlore Steve from Gamers Nexus said the 3080 was a waste of money. I have a 1440p monitor and a 4K TV. I currently have a RTX 2060. I want to move up to 4K @ 60+ fps on SC. What video card would acheive that? My mobo is ROG-STRIX X570-E.
As a starfarer captain my main customers are pirate or syndicates running blockades ironically. The starfarer currently is a money loser selling fuel for a reasonable margin so what I do is offer free fuel but say I take tips. The tips often exceed standard profit margin even if you had a 100% mark up on it. Of course there's a bunch that will jump you but supporting those types normally pays off and the last one that tried to take me out or pay ransom fought me for 26 minutes before one of them rammed me. To cut down on losses I run a very little bit of fuel in my tanks, rarely over 10k worth.
We really need some serious re-work on this ship, this ship has great potential to be a huge selling point to players, must be made better so it has better shields and better weapon systems, and most importantly has more cargo space, the standard Starfarer with various industrial capabilities could only be one variant after all, it is the cargo variant that will sell best.
Got a gemini (and standard can swap for missile module too) so it got better component stock and turret on top is better... but.. Lets be honest, for a cargo/tanker its range is ridiculous. I can't wait for the full rework just for interior to be more dissociated between aegis one and misc one getting more unique ship. Rework of all corridors and ergonomics inside too. Maybe component buff? But shield rework might change everything of the meta. But i love how it look.. I love how it fly. and cant wait to have more functions.
I legitmately hope they don't change the interior too much. Every "unnecessary" traversal method everyone complains about, has saved my bacon at some point or other. My biggest pain is the room in the middle in front of engineering; instead of a suit locker room with escape pods I'd love to see it turned into a machine shop like the Carrack has, so that the ship can provide some mechanical support to the ships it sees.
A useful tip, from a long-time operator of the current flyable version of the ship. Do NOT spawn it planet-side and fly out to orbit. Fly a smaller ship up to a station and THEN spawn in your Starfarer. I've flown one form Orison Cloud City to Orbit... that's nearly half-an-hour of my life I'll never get back.
It needs to have the option to fill those big tanks with Quantum or hydrogen. It also needs the ability to use the tanks to fuel itself. Those changes right there. Pump the thing up so much. But it would no where near over power it as... You can't really over power a fueler...
This is the only ship I get lost in every time I try to use the head! o7 🤣👍 I had to edit this ship and the Reclaimer both ships no matter how much I use them I get lost inside the ship all the time.
Very nice the Starfarer was one of my first big purchases many years ago and despite the layout it’s such an old friend that I know it like the back of my hand, but I can definitely see a new player being thrown off by it. Over in Elite Odyysey a lot of players were complaining about the layout of some of the ground bases and how they would get lost, and I was thinking my God, there’s no difference than in real life…just make the rounds a few times and you will learn it!😊
While not being super user friendly, this is easily the most realistic version of what a spaceship might one day look like, compared to say the ridiculously ornate 890 Jump which is more designed for people to enjoy playing a video game, instead of experiencing a truly immersive experience, like the Starfarer offers. While it is certainly not perfect, I hope they go back and rework this ship to bring it up to par with the rest of the large ships.
Idk why, but this ship just gives me the feels. I love it as a multi-purpose/multi-crew ship. Gemini has plenty of guns for friends. Plenty of room for illicit cargo and vehicles. Really wish they'd do the rework soon. But leave the cargo bay alone!
I'd enjoy being part of an orgs flotilla out in a remote part of Pyro. Got your BMM, Starfarer and security, ready to sell goods and fuel to needy players at a _reasonable_ markup.
There is one thing you skipped over. That is the refinery of the quantum fuel and the hydrofuel. This makes it a very flexible ship indeed. Agree on rest of the points. Specially on the point of its use in the stanton system.
Now that we have the reclaimer, I can see where this one will be golden after the scoop and refine mechanics are worked out. But CIG needs to send its whole design team to sea. Main fuel tanks, fuel polishing and internal transfer, as well as day tanks are very normal. We won't lose those ideas just because it is space. They screwed the pooch on this design so far. Plus, the bunks look like they expect Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs as a crew...
I've had the Gemini variant since it was first available. I'd like to actually use it for fuel generation and distribution. I've been most disappointed, along with others as to the odd layout and the missing features that a ship like this would need. Namely, why no med-bay? There should at least be one or two set-ups similar to the C8 Pisces Whambulance. I'd like one in or directly off the cargo area and another mid-ship near the crew and engineering lift areas. Hopefully, when they get around to the Gold pass, we'll get something in that regard.
Maybe it would really prove useful within an organization, fueling a large military operation or refueling capitol ships that are used more as mobile stations.
The only use I can see for this in the upcoming 3.18 patch is parking by racetracks. Though you’ll still probably save time jumping to a pad somewhere else.
Interesting, the captain's bathroom has absolutely no doors. I hope the ventilation is good for the first crew meeting in the office after he took his morning dump.
I would love to try this ship out but currently its not as useful as I would love for it to be right now since refuelling is not a real issue right now, maybe with the new systems we will see these ships in action more often.
I had a thought while testing PTU: This will be a big help in racing if people are constantly doing them, just hang around the track and you have customers. So this is slowly going to be used more than it is now during 3.18 I bet.
@@TheRealMiniIsHere Starfarer owner here: Sadly, since it takes so long to refuel one ship, people get impatient and just die/respawn since it is faster than being second in line.
@@RecklessFables WHAAAAAAAAAT, Really? They need "medium refueling" ship that can do it faster and carry less maybe enough for 1 or 2 Hercs. Or people will wait once Perma death is a thing ?
@@TheRealMiniIsHere there's a refueling nozzle upgrade which just makes the cost of operation on the rather fragile booms even it worse. They basically implemented it half-assed and then just moved on without balancing anything or making it remotely fun.
Think the military version is a better option don't you think? Would be awesome if it could refuel it self. Tier 2 Medical Bed would be handy for long flights
informative yet depressing video on the state of the game for fueling. There is NO doubt people would lure you to them for fuel only to kill you and salvage you. I'd rather they make this ship "unkillable" but also remove any offensive abilities and limit cargo hauling if the ship became unkillable. This would make refueling possible even to unsavory characters, which could add another playstyle loop by selling locations of hideouts/players that are wanted. I guess you could make it "killable" via large missles but not salvagable so that you could remove it from a battlefield but couldn't profit off of it.
The Starfarer, even reworked, is NOT a suitable ship for a System like Stanton, Pyro and mebbe larger Systems is a more suitable environment for it. Apart from this, being a Multi-Crew vessel, is also more suited to Team Co-Op, and Org Play, where it would come in handy as a support refueller for fighters either on Patrol, or engaged in an Org v Org conflict.
I think this ship will find its first real use case in the next patch with Racing. Just hover/park close by and sell upcharged hydrogen fuel to those little racers with no Quant drive.
It's very demanding, but it largely depends on what you're wanting to run (lowest settings and low resolution vs highest settings at high resolution). It might be worth checking the official telemetry page for more info
You wouldn't want to bother with this ship until at least Pyro is in the game and then hopefully they stick with their plan that Pyro is going to be scarce in fuel stations thus giving the opportunity to use this ship, but if they slap outpost with refuelling pads then yeah totally no point... We'll see.
Rats. I'd been saving my credits and bought the Constellation Phoenix instead of the Starfarer, because I disliked the bland metal interior. If I'd known it had all that orange, I'd have grabbed THIS instead.
Star citizen, always focusing on what can be instead of building what already exists lol. Game will never exist in the state that people hope it to be because they will keep expanding scope. Excellent video though.
Worst design for a SC ship interior hands down. Looks like a fps set, not a space faring ship. External its hella ugly too. I also think a refueler should be controlled from a boom at the front. What if you are re fueling a ship that is BINGO on fuel. The ship cant move to you.
Couldn't think of anything worse than having to rely on other players to travel the verse.... This is /fail /copium Ship is such a dogs balls design. Jump seats? Why? Beds look ridiculous and would be bunks anyway. Horrendous interior of maze like frustration. Absolutely pointless working on a fuel transfer UI before Pyro even in. Must have been for Squadron 42 Thank god they reworking the interior
I'm with you. Having to rely on players for such immediate basics as travel is cool in theory, but will, IMO, be a mistake in game design. Imagine if you could only buy food and water from player space food trucks. :)
I think the idea is sound. The execution needs tweaking... I think there will be ways to traverse the verse without the Starfarer, but some ships might not have the required range to do so.
@@Farrister maybe you’re right. Perhaps any ship can plot a route to just about anywhere, but some shortcuts will require player based refueling. So in effect you are buying time from players.
This ship is UGLY and OLD but I think someday it will be one of the most comfortable, welcoming sights when the entire playspace isn't limited to a measly 3 AU system like Stanton
