His answer to the question starting at 20:25 is wonderfully thoughtful. These changes are slow and hard-earned, but they do matter. Little stepping stones today are foundations for bridges tomorrow. Makes me think of the stories from The Celluloid Closet, how queerness has often had to be deeply coded or something light and deniable across the history of film and television to make it through at all. We're not so far from that history yet. I also appreciate whenever we got a little more insight on the behind-the-scenes process of how they all came together about the characters' stories: in this case, how Berens was convinced to stay for Castiel's confession, how Dabb supported it, how Misha and Jensen handled the changing dynamic over the years and then spoke about the confession before filming it. Sounds like Berens was the driving force behind it in the final years. Hearing Misha talk about how much it meant to him to be part of these little stepping stones that build up to something meaningful was heartwarming. It also makes me hurt a little for Dean; he never got a direct voice in this particular story, never a chance to respond one way or another, and then he died himself almost immediately afterwards without his death meaning anything.
