42:18 " I really don't know how to describe it " Call a spade a spade and tell that you are fascinated with ideas about equality , democracy , human rights but you can't let go of your nostalgia for the feudal past where one group of people ruled over others . Those feudal minded people couldn't accept if electoral verdict went against them so they wanted a separate country with their supporters in the majority . So whoever stood for elections , your people would win . But this is not Democracy , this is match fixing .
If majority was a kindhearted and sympathetic one then there was no need of partition. But the majority was and still is hateful and bigoted as we see in India today. So Muslims wanted a safe place to live without undue interference from hateful majority
@@mohdbilalabbasi First you hate the Hindu majority, then you hate the Bengali majority, then you hate everyone who is not a Punjabi bootlicker. Yes, all others are hateful and you who never knew democracy are the democrats. 😂 😂
@@mohdbilalabbasi First you hate the Hindu majority, then you hate the Bengali majority, then you hate everyone who is not a Punjabi bootlicker. Yes, all others are hateful and you who never knew democracy are the democrats. 😂 😂😂
@@mohdbilalabbasi that is why pakistan never has an elected government completing a full term in more than 75 years And that is also why you denied Mujibur Rahman to become prime minister even though his party had won majority Because concept of pakistan is REJECTION of democracy . First you couldn't accept Hindus in the majority then you couldn't accept Bengalis in majority .
Partition does not matter, not if you are Indian. It hurts but does not matter. Both my Parents are from Dhaka & Noakhali. My Wife's Parents are from Rawalpindi. I think India became a Democratic Society cause Feudal & Islamist left to create Pakistan. Probably her Army Grandfather made the decision for better career prospects. Nothing much to it. Unnecessary Romantism.
Muslims of India more than Muslims of Pakistan demanded Pakistan and even voted for Jinnahs party in droves. Tragedy is after partition most of the traitors were allowed to stay without screening and were even allowed sharia in India. Check 1946 constituent assembly results and you will know what I’m talking about.
No you are wrong. The islamists mostly were from U.P. , bihar and kerela, Hyderabad. They are all still in India while killed most non muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Partition and its effects will be reversed under any circumstances.
@@onetwokaafour I don't know where the sentiment comes for. As Zamindars in Noakhali we defended in 1946, we also as a family retaliated in 65, 71 & 99. Maybe u have never felt the trauma. Therefore it is all Gas, ur feelings. Focus has to be on Economy, and managing Muslim Infiltration in Bengal & Assam.
37:31 " Mountbatten bias towards Nehru .... and has a clear bias against Jinnah " Obviously , since Nehru belonged to a party that was winning elections and getting votes . Jinnah was basically a nuisance who had only one card to deal with and that was the religion card . Jinnah's party initially failed to get votes from even the Muslims which is why they decided to provoke Hindu Muslim antagonism to consolidate their Political position . He put fear of violence among common Muslims and Hindus who wanted nothing but a normal life with basic necessities like food , income and housing .
Savarkar helped Jinnah in all his “efforts”. Hindu mahasabha was in provincial governments, sharing power with Muslim league. Actually the appeasement stared there..
@@shatnermohanty66781937 Congress rule paved the way for the partition of India in 1947 because indian national Congress ruled the same way as bjp is ruling India and ruining the life's of more then 200 million Muslims who live in fear of their life dignity Great Muhammad Ali Jinnah won 86% of vote in 1946 elections which proved that his the only spokesman of Indian Muslims they clean swept whole of north India also present day Pakistan so Muslims only vote for Muslim league Jinnah rejected the drama of Ghandi & congress
A different take on Jinna's role in partition is given in Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed's monumental work on partition. Many RU-vid videos are available summarizing his interpretation backed by solid evidence
The fact that didn't jell was , they still want to get the minority status & special privileges even though a seperate nation was made for them both in the east & west , appeasement is a short term gain , sends a negative signal .
They basically want special status for themselves. Minority rights is just a pretext in the post partition Indian condition. What rights do the Muslims who created Pakistan give to "minorities" in the land they created? Zilch. Nothing.
😂😂 Jinnah is secular😂😂….I mean Ishtifaq Ahmed (A Pakistan) actually wrote book on Jinnah actually documenting everything….which proves is very very communal and unlike a ISI stooges from suspended Harvard writer
@@Indianman536Sarder Patel said how Muslim has changed their mind just in one day. Pakistan was their dream but when it became reality they don't want to live it. The only answer I found it is because of Qur@n teaching. It was never happened in history that Muslims migrated to a Muslim country. As for philistines all surrounded by Muslim countries but no one to take any of them. Their loyalty is only for their Maza-Hub. Don't have a Islamic Nation create one by any means possible. And I want to ask one thing what happened to the Hindus of Pakistan and Kashmir recently? That you are putting allegation on us.
@@punya_bhoomi_bharat what happened to Hindus? You say? Did you hear about a single riot or massacre like Gujarat, bhagalpur, muzaffarnagar or did you hear about Hindus being lynched? Every year hundreds of anti Muslim riots takes place in Indian and the police take sides of the Hindus. How many buldozer action did you see in pakistan against Hindus? The high cast Hindus of pakistan don't face any problem only the Dalit Hindus and Christians including dalit Muslims face problems. Their main problem is anti social goons many a times abduct hindu and Christian girls even Sikh girls and marry them by forcefully converting them to Islam but they aren't killed and this is a shameful act which should be stopped. Yes what happened in kashmir was very bad ,kashmiri pandits had to suffer a lot and the kashmiri Muslims are payed heavy price for what they did ,thousands of Kashmiris lost their lives and our army is their to handle them. Kashmiri Muslims should say sorry and invite the pandits back. Pakistani establishments are very cunning they never create any religious problems in their own country they just want to create problem in india and you saffron brigade help them to achive their goals. The population of Hindus in pakistan decreased because of poverty and division of pakistan because the majority of Hindu population used to live in east pakistan and after the partition of pakistan the hindus of pakistan got divided and bulk went to bangladesh hence you see heavy downfall in the numbers of Hindus of present day pakistan. The upper caste Hindus are rich mostly doctors and landlord Rajputs in Sindh like amarkot or umarkot. Only the Dalits because of cast discrimination face problems and their plight is same in india as well. The upper cast Hindus who became Muslims still look down upon the Dalits specially hindu Dalits.
Muslims of India more than Muslims of Pakistan demanded Pakistan and even voted for Jinnahs party in droves. Tragedy is after partition most of the traitors were allowed to stay without screening and were even allowed sharia in India
@@Arvindchauhan-qv6gd Muslims of India more than Muslims of Pakistan demanded Pakistan and even voted for Jinnahs party in droves. Tragedy is after partition most of the traitors were allowed to stay without screening and were even allowed sharia in India. Check 1946 constituent assembly results and you will know what I’m talking about. Search for 1946 constituent assembly results and you will know what I’m talking about. Or listen to Sardar patels speech of calcutta 1948.
39:54 " some provinces could group together in their common interests" Yes , like West pakistan provinces grouped together to form One Unit to deny East pakistan the numerical majority. This was one of major grievances that led to creation of Bangladesh . Even after so many years , pakistani don't learn from history and expect things to happen as THEY wish .
Muslims of India more than Muslims of Pakistan demanded Pakistan and even voted for Jinnahs party in droves. Tragedy is after partition most of the traitors were allowed to stay without screening and were even allowed sharia in India. See the results of 1946 elections and you will know what I’m talking
@@karwanekamransurely breakup of the country followed by tens of millions of people uprooted from their homes forever and forced to migrate with millions of them getting killed, maimed & raped. I am not sure why one shouldn’t be remorseful about such an unfortunate event. But we Indians are slowly realising that it happened for the good because we surely couldn’t have handled the radicalised populations of Pakistan & Bangladesh on top of what we already have.
Muslims of India more than Muslims of Pakistan demanded Pakistan and even voted for Jinnahs party in droves. Tragedy is after partition most of the traitors were allowed to stay without screening and were even allowed sharia in India. Check 1946 constituent assembly results and you will know what I’m talking about. Search for 1946 constituent assembly results and you will know what I’m talking about. Or listen to sardar patel speech in calcutta 1948.
Clearly you have not researched or cited the work of Prof Ishtiaq Ahmed of Stockholm who has laid threadbare the facts around Jinnah and his single minded fanatical pursuit of Pakistan. Tactically brilliant but strategically obtuse, Jinnah bequeathed a conundrum to his acolytes who simply did not have the vision or acumen to evolve a coherent narrative around Pakistan. For the Indian audience it is significant that grand dad Shahid was the founding Director General of the now dreaded ISI that has caused so much bloodshed and mayhem in India and time and again derailed peace between India and Pakistan.
Jinnah also said that either we will have Pakistan or destroy India long before he was forced to accept the Cabinet Mission Plan. He knew that he was dying and it was only known to his Indian doctor who had x-rays of his lungs and there rested the secrets of his health. Mountbatten tried to be friendly with Jinnah but he found him very cold and he even referred to him as megalomaniac. Jinnah also said that either we will have Pakistan or destroy India long before he was forced to accept the Cabinet Mission Plan. He knew that he was dying and it was only known to his Indian doctor who had x-rays of his lungs and there rested the secrets of his health. Mountbatten tried to be friendly with Jinnah but he found him very cold and he even referred to him as megalomaniac. Auchileck's role was very peripheral as serious negotiations were handled with Nehru and his constitutional advisor V P Menon. Actually Mr Jinnah liked Mr Menon in the first-round table conference because of his knowledge on the constitutional matters. role was very peripheral as serious negotiations were managed with Nehru and his constitutional advisor V P Menon. Actually Mr Jinnah liked Mr Menon in the first round table conference because of his knowledge on the constitutional matters. Jinnah also said that either we will have Pakistan or destroy India long before he was forced to accept the Cabinet Mission Plan. He knew that he was dying and it was only known to his Indian doctor who had xrays of his lungs and there rested the secrets of his health. Mountbatten tried to be friendly with Jinnah but he found him very cold and he even referred to him as megalomaniac.
@40:17?? Jinnah Agreed? He wanted Muslim explicit veto power. And "communal tension began then after"? Why don't you say, "Direct action day, Calcutta killings"? Are you ashamed of calling out Jinnah? Jinnah and Muslim League members never went to jail. Nehru and Gandhi were in jail for decade. I grew up wanting India-Pakistan friendship. But now I'm too tired to even think of it. A country born out of hate can't find love- the problem is with Pakistan- Its birth was and its existence now is out of dislike. India hates unites Pakistan. We(or I) no longer want Pakistan good relations. Pakistan can be on its own, we are on our own. Minding own business. Don't dream of Gazwa-e-hind, work on your own development and we both will be doing fine. Enough of this partition nostalgia.
@@javedahmedmalik2085 "Respect" ...? Do you even know what that means? A "country" created on the basis of HATE, and now sustaining itself on DELUSION !! Learn to RESPECT others' views too dear, rather being of the same breed 👆
Weird analysis of history. No discussion of two nation theory. Supports the basic rationale of partition that minorities needed to have special rights but when that Pakistan came into being, they moved to to the other extreme and minorities completely trampled on. In fact Jinnah's Independence Day speech is officially expunged from all records in his own Pakistan. Even if one were to (reluctantly) agree that Jinnah was secular, Pakistan officially rejects secularism. So what was the Pakistan movement about ?
42:22 " your culture , your language ... " Punjabi Muslims have same language and culture as Punjabi Hindus and Sikhs which is different from Bengali Muslims who have same language and culture as Bengali Hindus Kerala Muslims have same language and culture as Kerala Hindus which is different from Sindhi Muslims who have same language and culture as Sindhi Hindus Religion is NOT the only identity and heritage of a person
Religion is the most important identity when you are a Muslim. The distinction that Islam draws between believers and non- believers is a very real one. And a very consequential one too.
@@viswanathanseshadri1047 My experience and undertanding is that cultural and religious practices are very central to expression of being a Hindu. Even theologically, there is a cleave between worshippers Shiva and Vishnu. And what of Brahma? Part of the trinity in name only? Then there are highly developed and nuanced practices depending on region, caste and family traditions and also choice of guru or a particular temple. Fascinating and diverse but by no means easy to analyse or understand using conventional means. The pity of it that so few Hindus are willing to acknowledge this, especially during this time, where an admixture of religiosity and politics is presented to Hindu Indians as national identity.
@@martycrow yes, cultural and religious practices are central to Hindus also. But (1) Those practices are meant for us, not for you. (2) These are practices which have evolved over time. They are not the command of God or his Messenger. (3) There is no claim that this is the only right way. (4) We don't judge the rest of the world through this prism. We don't plan to impose this on the rest of the world. We don't plan to invite either the rest of the world to doing how we do things. We don't expect everyone else to adopt these practices. (5) We don't think that the practices are beyond questioning and beyond critical scrutiny. But questioning must be in good faith. A bad faith questioning is not questioning, which I hope you would also agree and this would apply to questioning in any field of human activity not just religious.
At the end of the day, India became a truely secular nation and Pakistan an Islamic fundamentalist failed state with no light at the end of the tunnel. Just darkness everywhere. What a shame!
Muslims of India more than Muslims of Pakistan demanded Pakistan and even voted for Jinnahs party in droves. Tragedy is after partition most of the traitors were allowed to stay without screening and were even allowed sharia in India. Check 1946 constituent assembly results and you will know what I’m talking about. Search for 1946 constituent assembly results and you will know what I’m talking about.
@@shreedevinair-pal9594 yes so why did sardar patel in his address in calcutta in 1948 say so in his speech. Are you saying he was lying? Did you check the election results. Muslim league won all muslim reserved seats in south, west, almost all in north/east. Only NWFP did they not win.
Look at Pakistan today, 22 June 2024, and we can see that the whole idea of Pakistan is absurd. Only Bharat mattered, and inshallah fate will correct the mistake. Ask yourself what does Pakistan offer? Answer the same as what India was already offering. My family was always in Rawalpindi and we are still on that land but everyone else moved. My mother always talked of the good relations between muslim, sikh and hindu communities. The best sweet makers were sikh with their specialism, and she never stopped recounting those times, I inherited her sweet tooth. Humans often act in ways opposite to their true feelings, and end up achieving exactly what they didn't want.
Shame, Shame and Shame - and never will be able to compare with this part of British India. I'm LL.B graduate from Lucknow University and very well known with the BARBAD Nababs and their ancestors. During my education I was a regular evening enjoyer of HAZARATGANJ, there I used to meet barbad ancestors of the old Nababs - they were PENNILESS - but had long memories of their legese - "My grandfather was studying in Oxford", other Nabab ancestor was not to let down, so he attached/Associated his grand or great grandfather with CAMBRIDGE with the grace - better than OXFORD. But both types of them were the KISSA of the History. Jo bhi apni History ko upar rakhta hai - iska matlab hai ki Woh kuch nahi hai aur apne ko RELEVANT banane ki koshish kar raha hai.
7.52 So far as my impression goes, there was not much commotion in Lucknow or for that matter in in the U. P. in 1947 to foece a Muslim to depart for Pakistan. Such areas which forced Muslims to leave for Pakistan were Delhi and Punjab. Muslim migration from U.P. was voluntary and was not more than 2 percent.
Factcheck - 10' 12" onwards - Erica Jong wrote 'Fear of Flying', not Jilly Cooper, who debuted with Riders in mid-80s when Mishal Husain would have been at school. Leo Cooper was the publisher of 'Disastrous Twilight - A Personal Record of the Partition of India 1946-1947' (pub 1986) by Maj Gen Syed Shahid Hamid, an interesting character who led the Pakistani Intelligence Service.
She was talking sense until the end where she stared talking about Jinnah. Jinnah was rabidly communal and was in bred with the British to partition India.
It gives an impression if England was working in good faith to facilitate the independence and the native leaders were causing mischief that resulted in partition. Mr. Jinnah had the stand which the England wanted to have him always and hoped that somehow the British will not leave. It was so for many other leaders on the Hindu side except Gandhi.
Churchill wanted the USA to give him money and army to suresh the independence movement which the USA did not do. American stand led to decolonisation from many French colonies too. Besides China was a big supporter of Indian Independence apart from Japan. second war left the colonialism unviable for it vitiates greatly the powers of the hitherto great colonial powers to hold on to their colonies.
Extremely disappointing! Ms. Hussain is just trying to peddle her book that’s based upon her families saga. She at best has managed to mix up fictions for facts and try to pepper over the historical facts about those she mentioned in this program. It’s nothing but short sell.
Mishal, At 41:56, you were about to say something like… “…. He (Jinnah) was for my three Muslim grandparents…..” and didn’t finish it. Could you please finish saying what you meant to say?
That is the problem with pakistanis - they are enamored with the ideas of democracy equality economy etc but still have a " nostalgic" view of the feudal era where they were the ruling class . They want both and they get nothing in the end .
38:41 Language? 😂 So absurd if they cared about language rights as Pakistan trampled on it from the very beginning. In India the govt certainly tried but thankfully wasn't allowed to succeed. 39:41 Yes, Federalism would've been great & very helpful. India still doesn't have a real Federal system so instead of partition a push for Federalism would've been much better.
Mishal should read the biography of VP Menon written by his great granddaughter and it was his plan which Mountbatten took to London for final approval. Menon was the constitutional advisor to Wavell and Mountbatten. He is the unsung hero of Modern India who managed to get over 500 states to join India including Hyderabad , Junagadh and J & K. Her knowledge of the events is very narrow as her grandfather was only PS to Auch and his role in final decision by Mountbatten was limited to Military matters.
I frankly don’t know this lady Razia Iqbal who is the interviewee, but her hysterical laughter when Mishal mentioned that Gandhi wanted people to spin their own yarn for clothes…seems quite strange….is she making fun of Gandhi? If yes, she may have been influenced by the colonial caricature of Gandhi as the ‘half naked fakir’….very inappropriate and condescending…..
Unbelievable. She is trying to make look jinnah as a secular person. Either her research is very poor or she is outright a liar Either ways I thank jinnah for creating Pakistani. Good riddance for us Indians. 😊😊🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
After her book about Partition of 1947 , Mishal Hussain should also write a book on the Second Partition in 1971 . No pakistani would dare to even touch this topic with a barge pole . But since Mishal Hussain is a British citizen , hopefully she can write about it
On the partition it should never have happened. Muslims can and do live happily in India. They live side by side with Hindus and when there are occasional troubles their neighbours protect them. Millions were wasted on wars between the two which could have been spent on development.
Lets see if she ask about the betting fiasco that's been going on during her recent foray. That's what I want to hear about. I shan't hold my breath! 🤔
Worth remembering that both Hindu and Muslim senior members were involved and agreed to the partition. The violence that followed was carried out by both parties. Indescribable level of bigotry and violence on both sides.
Mahatma Gandhi died the same year as Jinnah , in fact seven months earlier. It was a tragedy for India as well . But India went on to become a successful Democracy while pakistan still struggles to become one . Indian freedom movement wasn't dependent on one person - after Gandhi , there were Nehru Patel Ambedkar Shastri and more . Even before Gandhi , there were Bal Gangadhar Tilak , Lala Lajpat Rai , Gopal Krishna Gokhale and others But pakistan was only about Jinnah and Jinnah alone . With his death , pakistan was finished .
❤ Thank you both for this informative and lively conversation. Forty-five minutes went by rather quickly. It's outright hilarious to see people arriving at definitive conclusions about the history and politics of the Indian partition after listening to such a short conversation on such an extraordinarily large event in history. Most of the comments gave me a nice chuckle. Reading "While Memory Serves" by Lieutenant-General Sir Francis Tuker, the GOC Eastern Command in 1946, it's not difficult to conclude that the partition was an outcome of 'damned if you do, and damned if you don't.' They damned doing it. 😊
Before imperial British Empire started to rule The subcontinent, the Muslim ruled India, muslims were in good powerful positions. Indian subcontinent under muslim rule held 25% of world economy. After the Briyish left Indian subcontinent, muslims because completely and utterly disenfranchised, whilst Collective economy of Subcontinent shrank to 3%. The partition brought utter suffering and ruin for muslims. Muslim wealth was stolen thus starting the planned downfall of Subcontinent Muslims. This has been the Biggest Injustice promulgated in the world with repercussions still affecting Muslims South Asia. Muslim must be given back their rightful position and wealth that was stolen from them . Partition has been the biggest injustice delivered to muslims.
@shatnermohanty6678 India can not be trusted. They invaded Junagarh state and Hyderabad Deccan Part of Pakistan 🇵🇰 and the rulers of those States had to find refuge in other countries.
I and my wife was born in Sindh, now in Pakistan.settled in Delhi after 1948. This year February we visited Karachi and travelled thru Sindh. We were given immense respect and hospitality, my take is that india is the aggressor and does not want improved relations with Pakistan to keep the communal pot boiling and remain in power on hate Muslim agenda. I’ve watched Mishal as BBC NEWS ANCHOR many years back, but her accent now have become more angelesised..
Hindus of India have done their bit for the last 75 years and look what they got in return! It’s a shame that those Indian Muslims who voted for Pakistan for some perverse reason chose to stay behind and still menacing the peaceful citizens.
Why? What incentive or motivates Hindus to do so? Is the thousand years of atrocities and humiliations that endeared them to Hindus or the repeated genocides and attempts to eradicating the native traditions of India that they should be thankful for?
These narratives of Muhammedan elites that they teach their children are amusing and emblematic of why India and Pakistan shall never have any common ground.
Son of soil thing also happened in india on 15th agust 1947 when they ethinc cleansing of Muslims in bengal indian occupied Kashmir bihar up delhi bophal and many places in india so better miahal shall do some reading about indian Muslims fate after partition in AG noorani a indian Muslim author on 1947 incidenta
The book holds promise of being an intelligent, humane and authentic examination of families and lives that straddle India-Pakistan and Britain through complex entanglements of lives, histories and journeys. The multi-cultural and multi-faith aspects are not always at the forefront but ever present - from the Irish and Catholic great-grandparents, the impact of families divided to an unexpected later connection with Auchinleck, an intriguing figure. Enjoyed this book launch discussion. Thanks!
It isn't multicultural. All the non- Islamic parts eventually gave up their cultures and fell in line with Islamic. That is why she is named Mishal and not Margaret or Mamta.
@@viswanathanseshadri1047 I understand what you are saying, but multicultural in this context does not mean that each and every culture has to be represented in one's life story in equitable proportion. Those are never the cards we are dealt. The art is in how we play our hand.
Urdu is a Muslim cosmopolitan invention - after they failed to install Persian down the throats of the Natives in India. Good riddance to its demise - Hindi was created to replace and erase Urdu.
Partition is a myth. India was never a country before 1947 but always a sub continent. Many independent kingdoms and counteries existed in it that had been conquering and butchering each other for mellenias, pretty much like in Europe. The actual partition took place in Punjab and Bengal, both had been independent kingdoms before Brits colonized them. In 1947 most of these kingdoms and states merged to create two new counteries. One called itself Pakistan, the other however conscripted the very name of this subcontinent for itself. The very word India comes from a province and a river of Pakistan, Sindh and river Indus respectively. Sindh is the fountain of Indus valley civilization. Imagined a large country emerges in Asia which then called itself Asia and then claims it always existed. That's what happened in 1947
Your understanding of subcontinental history is pathetic and your ignorance is pathological. Read done real history both by contemporary historians and a few of non subcontinental writers to really understand the time and characters that played a role in shaping the history of independence and partition. BTW, Indus River fed the people of current Pakistan much before she came into existence, LOL!
Typical Pakistani understanding based on ignorance and ahistorical nonsense. Even Arrian, the biographer of Alexander of Macedonia describes "Indoi" the people and the land as from the Himalayas to the Seas and gives descriptions of how vast and varied it was. The prospect faced by the Macedonians of having to conquer another land 5-10 times greater than Persia was what caused them to rebel against Alexander and demand to return home.
sub-continent? Who came up with that word? The british? When did the name Bharat varsh come about? Thousands of years ago and not in 1947. What arabs called hindustan, if it was just a region?
Learn some history, Bharat Varsha refers to only the western part of Gangetic valley. Arab, Japanese or Latinos can use any word they want. The fact remains that without Sindh and river Indus you don't have an identity. As long as you continue to use the words India and Hindustan, you'll have to keep confronting the reality of acknowledging that people of Pakistan (mainly Sindhis and Punjabis) gave you your name. If you disagree then enlighten as to what is the origin of these words
@@aqeelkhurshid4860lol, first of all you should know that Indus flows through India even now. Secondly, the pre-Islamic history of Pakistan is the history of a Hindu-Buddhist civilization, which Pakistan doesn't identify with. This civilization- the Harappan, Vedic, Mauryan, Kushan, Indo Greek- belongs to India. India has always existed, Pakistan was only born in 1947. Don't indulge in copium. Bharatvarsha referred to the land " between the Himalayas and the seas".
