Miss Your Dead Family Members? AI Can Help You Talk to Them 

I cant imagine wanting to see my child like that, completely untouchable. Even thinking about it hurts

free trials followed by charging a monthly fee? yeeeeesh

Good point when I saw the title, I am mediately thought it’s ridiculous and unfair to play with anyone’s minds and or hearts

The grieving mother documentary has to be the saddest thing i've watched on YT, the whole video is dead silent with no background music because how serious it is with only the grieving mother crying and his daughter.

"if you REALLY miss me, you'd buy the upgraded VIP package!"

Ofc it is not real. But people talk to gravestones and pictures representing their dead ones all the time. This is a step further than that, but still technically the same.

It's absolutely not the same talking to a gravestone or picture is real you are not getting any conversation back this digital ai garbage will absolutely mess with people's heads and distort their reality Think about it the moment they stop talking to these ai they are plunged back into reality with the grief fresh and waiting you can't hide from it forever and people shouldn't it's important part of life's journey

"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6°

Are we real?

@@mikaelpaavola4781 I think that's better than a synthetic form of that deceased person communicating with the person grieving. But of course, people gotta deal with it the way they want to deal with it. So as long as they aren't hurting themselves or anybody else in their grief...I'm all good with it.

You can say that about any belief in the afterlife as well

@@Soooooooooooonicable After life PLMS 'where's that mate if you don't mind sharing ?

@@Soooooooooooonicable actually I’ve been thinking about this.. I think since I have grieved and know she will not be returning it would be awesome to hear her voice more

Your gonna have AI stimulation machine of herself. The real one is long gone and left is a clone of her

im in the two time dead sibling club and i agree

This is what you do when you have no spirit to access the spirit realm and just talk to the deceased... Wypipo 🤣

You can experience the stages of grief in any order.

@@katzeartist5833 Oh of course. They don't really come in a linear fashion; it's more of a switching back-and-forth kind of thing. However, I would say denial tends to be one of the first ones. That being said, everyone processes things differently. It's just slightly odd, but I assume that's why it's on Vice.

I’d argue she has

Racist

That is my main concern as well, a company having control and ownership over a virtual loved one.

seems to me like a company taking advantage of grieving people and their loss

Running that system isn't free, do you understand now?

I agree, although as a digital artist, I also understand how much it costs to invent and maintain technology like this. It's sad that everything costs money, but that is the real issue here. As long as it's not overpriced to the point where people are taking out loans to pay for it, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Something like $3.99 or even $8.99 a month similar to a streaming service seems fair and sustainable at the same time without employees being underpaid or outsourced or exploited. If it was $150 a month on the other hand, that's a potential problem for sure.

A separate subscription for each person you add.

Definitely disconcerting.

@@BigTrees4ever Yeah well there you are.

"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6°

We’re in a grid / stimulation

Predictive programming

Facts and minority report

They also nailed the prediction on social credit.

FYI the show is Black Mirror (singular) and the episode is called "Be Right Back"

The show did a fantastic job at showing AI can’t be human.

Yes yes yes!

Well said...

That's exactly what I was going to say!😊✌️

Amen to that

So sorry for your loss. And you bring up a very good point. Part of me is ok with charging because no technology is free to run, and you'd have to exploit countless workers to offer a free version of this app for everyone. At the same time, maybe it's just better left alone all together because of the damage it may do. But what really hits me is how you mentioned this ISN'T your loved one. If I imagine myself passed on, I'd be devastated to see my mother trying to "talk" to me every day for the rest of her life. I'd want her to move on and be happy. At the same time, I could see this helping maybe for a very short period of time, but as we all know, it's hard to quit anything that brings us "comfort," no matter how unhealthy we know it is.

It’s just an AI stimulation machine

I agree . I don't want to live in that world either.

There's an element of what could be called satanism involved in this.

Yeah, and I know people will naively begin to argue that an AI chat bot trained on data from a living person's writings/texts/emails is in some way "them" but it is literally just rehashing their old words in a much less organic way than the human mind itself works. Even the most advanced neural network algorithms absolutely pale in comparison to the complexity or structure of the human brain - and that's without getting into the whole consciousness debate, which I personally believe, 1) even an extremely advanced AI, essentially mimicking a person's brain structure, built from an extremely detailed and simulated scan of all of their neurons, synapses, neurotransmitters, transcription factors, etc., etc. (at best, several decades away if that), would just be an impressive facsimile, but ultimately an unthinking copy. It'd be a "philosophical zombie" ala Chalmers, or like John Searle's "Chinese Room." But 2), even if it _was_ conscious - truly had the conscious experience of _thinking_ - it'd just be a clone, not the same person. The person who died still had their consciousness blink out and the copy that's alive would only _think_ it was the same person, yet would have to deal with the complete mindfuck that is knowing the body they were copied from died. Worse yet, I'd imagine you'd have to do the scans/make the copy in this hypothetical, while a person was alive and imagine how creepy and fucked up it would be to talk to a complete AI-simulation of yourself, that was _convinced it was you._ All of it is a terrible, and deeply troubling idea, at its core if it ever was possible.

Yea I think you have it right. An important part of 'healing' is letting go of what hurt you and hopefully moving on. It's like picking at a wound until it scars.

Black mirror already proved the risk in my opinion

A couple of weeks ago, I created a digital clone of my recently deceased father and it brought me closure.

Vice is pushing this because the company that makes AI of dead ones is trying to advertise and profit

I don't know. If you could like talk to them, just not see them... maybe they would fade away from your life, and eventually you would forget about them. I don't think creating a whole 3d model could help you, because if it gets unnatural, it gets weird fast On the other hand, if you have LLM and you depleted it's capabilities, you just gently shift into reality with a bad LLM speaker in your home, with acceptance that your loved one is gone And since you haven't seen him for a long time, and you were able to say goodbye to him and even to get exhaust of this LLM - it is possible that you could regain full functioning faster Because lack of a shock

I'm guessing that you’re slightly paranoid about this new technology, I’ll never let go of the memories of my loved ones ! As a Briton.🇬🇧 I feel the Americans are paranoid over many subject matters and ideas. Examples: Communism and the Vietnam war. Now it’s AI. !

WE don't have to do anything. YOU may HAVE to let them go, but don't speak for the rest of us, please. Who are you to say how people get through life after loss as "unhealthy"?

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​@@phlezktravels Black magic

I remember that episode, very disturbing

Hard disagree, I wish I could at least talk to a mere echo of the people I loved. I have so many things I want to tell people like my grandmother, her passing was so sudden and she was left a husk. I just want to see a version of her where she is healthy again and not morbidly bloated from accumulating water in her system. I know she's dead, and most people who want to use this service do as well, all we want is to at least try to resolve some things that we were not able to share with our late loved ones when they were here. Hoping that you will be together with your passed loved ones is in my opinion as harmful as the version of Versonas you described (which was not accurate). I'm lucky to not believe in an afterlife because if I did I would not hesitate to immediately end my life so I can get out of this living filth and finally be reunited with the people I care about.

@@ukrajinskasvoboda8529 I guess we don't have to think the same way, I just said talking to a computer thinking it's your beloved one is not healthy, that "person" is not real, it will only feed your inner needs to fix unsolved business and make you live in La-La-Land. My mom also passed away while accumulating water in her system, I believe that talking to her like she never had that problem in the first place is again not healthy. She was suffering from heart failure and cirrhosis for the past 15 years. Picturing her healthy and in her right mind right now, would only harm me and whoever interacts with her because that is not her real self. Like I wrote before, we need to accept the Circle of Life, talking to deceased is not natural. My belief in meeting my mother later is not harmful at all since I will lose my consciousness the moment I pass and I do not think about it every day like people who wants to use that service will eventually. Talking to a machine/system/app daily and filling your head with fake scenarios and interactions is 100% worse than believing in the after life.

Its so hollow. As much as i like lying to myself, id still be lying to myself

@@thejourneyofthefool Animating photos is one thing, a computer trying to mimic all the interactions of a deceased person is another thing.

@@thejourneyofthefool That is the real argument, if you can’t understand the difference between animating a photo in a subtle way and pretending you are socially interacting with a computer acting as a deceased person, I am really sorry for you.

Exactly. Maybe not everyone, but too many and possibly most people would easily slide into this "false" world. Reminds me of the Ready Player One film where we'll all just be living in boxes with a single chair and our VR devices. Also reminds me of that scene in Wall-E...

What steps

Well it starts with denial....or haven't you heard of the steps of grief?

You should listen to his AI voice and then decide

@@TheBrawlmastah You're really going to "you should" a parent who has lost a child?

@@necsefor You really should your pants with that comment Bianca

Like porn.

eventually all the user will want is human connection or death

if it doesnt then its no longer human

Its $60/year, which seems crazy low. To curate the best possible result, you would need someone to manage the data in some way. No way is that happening for $5/mo or $6/yr. Probably chucked into an algo.

@@MortalShores that’s what I’m guessing - I’m assuming he throws the texts into something like character ai and his service is more or less a front end for whatever it generates. maybe occasionally he uses a voice AI to send you a personalized message. I’m willing to believe he means well and maybe does think it’ll bring some peace to people, but I can’t shake the feeling that it feels like an awfully cruel low hanging fruit to pick. the idea of perpetually charging someone monthly for access to an AI built from messages between them and a loved one alone strikes me as inherently fucked up.

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Harlot

It's up to the person to open it. Everyone has their own doors.

I think eventually something like this will be not dissimilar to people looking over picture albums of a dead loved one. Sometimes a photo album can be toxic element in a persons grieving process, just like this could potentially be. Think in the future where peoples digital data can basically be used to “continue conversation”, or just learn more about them. Everyone grieves differently, hard to say if this would do more harm than help. Certainly for some it might, but just like the photo album, videos, or something similar might.

I second this. It's absolutely phenomenal. To anyone reading this: don't read any reviews, they contain spoilers. Just watch it, it's worth it!

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You can. Any time. Ask for a sign

You cannot. It is no longer possible. And if you do hear her, it's not her, it's a demon impersonating her to lure you into possession. That's what I heard. Then after they possess your body they tell you all is hopeless and you will never be free again, and try to drive you to suicide because they want to increase the odds that you are damned to hell. After you commit suicide, and your smashed body is crushed under the underpass, they leave and follow you down to the pits of hell, where they taunt you continuously forever about how you were stupid enough to believe them.

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