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For the Ancient Pottery Challenge for season 4 I am starting with the Encinas Red on Brown bowl. The original was found in a cave high in the Pinaleño Mountains near Safford, Arizona back in 1983. Now I am connecting to the past by recreating that bowl using clay I collected from near where the original was found. This video shows the whole process from a lump of raw clay through firing to the finished pot.
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0:00 Join the Ancient Pottery Challenge
0:51 Do I need a slab roller? No I Don't!
4:24 Coil Building a Bowl For Fun and Profit
8:32 Oops! The Mistakes of Polishing and Slipping
12:55 Mogollon Brown Ware Pottery Deserves Your Respect
14:34 Painting The Bowl, How Hard Can It Be?
15:30 Firing Pottery Outdoors Can Be Risky
19:38 Final Reveal and Debriefing
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@petrapetrakoliou8979 Год назад

There is much more to learn about things going wrong than when everything goes right. Thank you for shairing and explaining these important issues. It is also interesting to see you use one of these unforgiving clays. I never found anything else yet and I suppose Prehistoric people didn't much have the choice, but to use the clay they had close by.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thanks. So true, those ancient potters were stuck with whatever clay was nearby.

@GrannyGooseOnYouTube Год назад

My clay is extremely challenging...60 percent sand...I have to wet process it and it's cracky and slumpy... Last week I found an old bag of the stuff I had processed a year ago. Omg it's perfect. If you can let your clay age it might make all the difference. Good luck !

@angeladazlich7145 Год назад

@@GrannyGooseOnRU-vid GG, you are so right. I recently used a clay that had been too fat and slumpy and with a lot of temper and the addition of another local clay in little amounts it came out great.

@angeladazlich7145 Год назад

p.s. it has been six months since I collected it, sorry I meant to say

@GrannyGooseOnYouTube Год назад

@@angeladazlich7145 yay! 😀

@jasongannon7676 Год назад

I'm at the same point with my clay. Enything under 10 inches works fine but above that it cracks on the heat up and cool down. So it's time to add more grog for the large pots. So much fun getting to know each clay type in my area.

@AncientPottery Год назад

You will get there, keep at it.

@shaunhall960 Год назад

Thank you Andy.

@markgibsons_SWpottery Год назад

Every big bowl or pot I have ever fired above ground seems to crack, however the medium sized pieces I have made in the past mostly made it through the above ground firings! I only switched to a kiln like structure to improve the consistency of the heat, and I hate cutting wood and hauling it just to crack my pots. Too much work for that. I really appreciate the size and I like the design flaws better than the original! Thanks again and look forward to the next one!

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thanks Mark. There are definitely tricks to doing it and you have to break some pots to learn them.

@jcknives4162 Год назад

I didn’t know (or remember?) about drying upside down for rim cracks. Glad you mentioned it. I’m guessing it’s more important for larger diameter circles than smaller ones.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Yes but even with small pots it is super important, especially for those of use living in dry climates.

@jcknives4162 Год назад

@@AncientPottery here in central MT it is quite dry in comparison to WA but not nearly as dry as AZ/NM. I think I’ll error on the side of caution and make it a habit. Thank you!

@jergarmar Год назад

I recently made a mistake about drying, that was silly in retrospect. I had a larger pitcher-shaped pot, and put it upside down to dry, and put a towel over it, thinking I was so careful... but then later I realized the towel didn't reach all the way down to the rim! Not only that, but the wooden base was wicking the rim moisture away, while the towel was slowing down the drying of the base. WHOOPS! You kind of have to think through the details, when you move up to larger pots.

@fibberscloset498 Год назад

I so appreciate your honesty.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thanks

@willorocks Год назад

Wow! That really turned out nice, beautiful colors on it! That's a good sized bowl.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thanks

@hadriano7598 Год назад

Hello.I discovered your channel after looking for all kinds of RU-vid videos about pottery, something I've been doing for about two years. I'm also referring to pottery and looking for sources of inspiration.I was amazed to see the models drawn on various vessels, not only from this video, from several posted on this channel.my amazement comes from only one direction....but I want to be brief and say only a few words: CUCUTENI, 6000 BC. :)

@tomasneel1980 Год назад

Still beautiful and lots to be proud of. Nice !

@AncientPottery Год назад

Yes thanks. I am certainly not ashamed of it.

@Old52Guy Год назад

Wow! This is awesome. I'll pass on the challenge since I'm only up to the large ashtray stage. But I can dream!

@jergarmar Год назад

I feel a bit better about my wild clay, it's a bit cracky, but not as bad as the one you used here! We're working on the owl effigy pot at our house, though we am going to try it with reduced iron oxide mineral paint, rather than organic paint. Can't wait to see the result (and post it on Instagram)... even if it's a disaster, ha! It'll either be cool, or a hilarious misadventure.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Fun project no matter how it comes out. Looking forward ti seeing what you make.

@oldwaysrisingfarm Год назад

I would hypothesize that the ancient potters could have readily made a bit of stiff, flat basketry to flip the pot onto; or perhaps just a fired clay platter of some sort.

@AncientPottery Год назад

That’s a good thought. They definitely had woven mats which would work well for that task.

@stephenrobb8759 Год назад

If I need to flip a large vessel base. I make a pillow of whatever will do the job.. with pillow in my lap ... or in the vessel base...have both hands to flip the vessel base/assembly , on to my lap.. all at once. The pillow makes the motion more of a roll over... than a flip. . If the pillow is made the right size... it should work on a bench top... its really about having both hands free to do the roll over... Rolling onto my lap provides a inclined angle ...somewhat padded... to catch the item . And it's at an angle easy to reach under with both hands/arms... to lift it to a working position.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Good tip, thanks.

@darenmiller2218 Год назад

Lol I was one of those people whining about cracking. Thank you for guiding me in the right path. I’ve since gotten some tools and a spinning disc thing. It’s gotten a lot easier and more manageable since putting in crushed up broken pieces in the mix.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Glad to hear you are making progress.

@darenmiller2218 Год назад

@@AncientPottery it’s tricky but worth it. I’m annoying everyone about little things but I’m hoping everybody was annoying during the beginning lol.

@AncientPottery Год назад

@@darenmiller2218 Asking questions is how we learn.

@bonniehyden962 Год назад

Mr. Andy, what a coincidence you had issues with temper. Remember I'm EXTREMELY new to wild clay pottery. Just yesterday I was helping my husband set large poles for his new barn and there were clumps of red clay just lying there before me. I played with some, squeezing it, rolling it, etc. I could feel the same in it but it was sticking together pretty well. Once the pole was set and I could go my own way I added a tiny bit of water. It got sticky. I kneaded and squeezed until I got all the actual lumps of clay incorporated. My idea is to just fire this clay in small, rectangle shapes to see what it does naturally, straight out of the ground. I think I'll learn something about my clay. But THIS video showed me a few things to look for. I have two, small rectangular blocks about 1"x1/2". One straight out of ground. One with clay from my bucket of clay that's been soaking in water. And one "bowl" formed in the palm of my hand. Just playing around to see what happens. We'll see!

@AncientPottery Год назад

Sounds interesting, I hope your clay works out. That is the best way to find out, just make something and try firing it and see what happens.

@GrannyGooseOnYouTube Год назад

My heart broke hearing that pop. But your bowl really turned out just fine. Each new vessel I make is a little bigger than the last. Working up to that 13 inch diameter.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Baby steps...

@dinoankylosaurus Год назад

I love watching you make things!

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thanks

@coopart1 Год назад

As thin as some Mimbres bowls are, I could almost imagine them using an upside down successful bowl as a convex mold .

@AncientPottery Год назад

Definitely a possibility.

@mojavebohemian814 Год назад

Thank you

@AncientPottery Год назад

You're welcome

@Opernkabarett Год назад

Soooo helpful! The best learning video for me, in front of many very good predesessors.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thank you so much. It’s hard to know what’s good and helpful to people so I appreciate comments like this.

@Opernkabarett Год назад

@@AncientPottery especially the long time between the different steps was important for me to realize, since I eagerly didn't let dry my workpiece properly.

@cookiecookiecookie Год назад

Hi Andy! I have to thank you for the hard work you do on this channel. Your enthusiasm for ancient pottery is really contagious and I appreciate you taking the time to share it with the world! I'm from the States, but I recently had occasion to go to Greece and visit the National Archaeological Museum in Athens. There's so much history in that one building it makes your head spin, and among their collection are these incredible ancient bowls and jugs. It's clear from the videos I've seen on your channel that your heart lies with the native cultures of the American Southwest, but have you ever worked with/learned about/replicated the styles of these ancient Greek pieces or the like? I'd be curious to know more about the similarities and differences between the two, half the world and centuries or millennia apart from each other. Thanks again!

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thanks. There is a professor at the University of Arizona who has studied Greek pottery and has even built a classic Greek kiln here in Tucson. I contacted her a few moths ago about shooting a video, I should probably follow up and try to make that happen.

@JustOneAsbesto Год назад

@@AncientPottery That sounds amazing.

@gongaridai5048 Год назад

@@AncientPottery have you seen ancient hittite wine jug from cappadocia region in Turkey? There’s some RU-vid videos of how to make it.

@CarrieMtn Год назад

Lots of learning happening there. I still enjoyed your presentation. It took me too long to find your design mistake - and I feel I’m pretty good at details like this. im a fiber artist weaving, spinning etc.. I’ve made a few pieces where I made similar mistakes- no one has ever noticed until I point them out. I’m glad you didn’t point it out- but it didn’t detract from the beauty in any way. I still think it is a nice piece!

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thanks, glad you got something out of it.

@jcknives4162 Год назад

I just started using my clay and it’s very poor plasticity was discouraging but heck. I’m going to make a coffee mug out of it and see how it goes. I’ve done some test tiles on various cone settings and have determined cone 3 is my max. Cone 04 is a totally different color but very good and cone 15 is again quite different color and the bottom end & not as strong but still serviceable. Thanks for the encouragement!!! Perfect timing!!! Looking forward to tomorrow night.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Sounds like you are making progress. I hope you mean tonight, Zoom class is tonight.

@wote3403 Год назад

😆😮 this was so educational it gives me courage to go ahead and try pottery making thank you!❤

@AncientPottery Год назад

Glad I could encourage you. Thanks.

@coldstone01 5 месяцев назад

Earlier you were saying that plywood is a new technology but the areas you currently are in are different from now. There were a very long time when trees were the constant usage, pueblo and southern tribes create structures with planks and gluing certain items together to form a more significant piece. Thus, plywood/plank could have been used for bows, houses, etc., all including wooden items, so a potter would probably get or make a hewn plank to carry/transfer wet clay forms around. They were then rotted away as leather, wood, and certain items did not preserve past the first year or decade.

@lenamarie2071 Год назад

Perhaps the ancient potters turned their leather-hard pots over onto a leather hide to work on them. Leather would be less likely to shift around while working, and wouldn't leave much texture on the rims of the pots.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Not a bad idea. I should get myself a big piece of leather to try this with. Thanks!

@jennmorton3155 Год назад

That clay seems a lot like the stuff I find in Canberra. So far I haven't had much luck woodfiring that clay, I'll try again with more temper sometime.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Keep trying, you will get it

@ooee8088 Год назад

I work with a similar brown clay, it's way more plastic when it's wetter. It's sticky and wobbly when its wetter but doable.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Every clay has a optimal wetness for building and in some clays it needs to be wetter than others. Also we can be led astray of the clay we are used to using has different moisture needs. Ever onward.

@stephenwalford774 Год назад

Sure nice bowl you made there..errors as well ..gives us all some hope..will be trying this soon but ive no source of brown..buff it is then..liking the voice over worked out well.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Thank you. Funny, brown clay is super abundant here.

@TimmyVision Год назад

Have to ever made a pot look old to mimic an ancient one?

@AncientPottery Год назад

When I was young I used to do that. Take sand paper to the finished pot, bury it in mud, all kinds of things. Now I appreciate the pots looking new and pristine and don't want them to look worn out.

@EXARCWithGrandpop Год назад

My clay is similar to yours. Hard to work with and not very plastic. It is too cold to five right now. I need to wait for a dry windless day.

@AncientPottery Год назад

I usually amend this clay a little more but wanted to preserve the brown color. Winter weather can sure make it hard to fire.

@darenmiller2218 Год назад

Oh and as far as what people would’ve done when turning it over, I would assume it’d be a piece of leather stretched tight across it.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Yes, thanks, leather could have been useful in that way. I am hoping to find a big piece of leather soon to try in this way.

@airstreamwanderings3683 Год назад

Nice complete video. It's nice to see the entire process. I've had more issues with cracks in larger pots than smaller ones. I wonder if they tend to need more temper because of their size?

@AncientPottery Год назад

Certainly more stress in the larger vessels that can result in cracks. I may have made a mistake in processing and mixing temper, I am terrible with numbers, like I can't remember them from one second to the next.

@baidarkaguy Год назад

Turned out really good. Was the mistake you're referring to not weaving the lines in the one quarter? Still looks good though. Doesn't jump right out, had to study it a little bit before noticing. I've been thinking how to approach this design myself. Was over analyzing it until you said to just start by quartering it. 🤔🤭

@AncientPottery Год назад

Yes, you found it. First look for those framing lines, once you get those it is just a matter of filling in.

@llanitedave Год назад

I don't know if the design changes could be called mistakes. I'd think of them as "creative differences." After all, those who made the pots originally probably never made the exact same design twice.

@AncientPottery Год назад

That’s a good point and really is more the way I see it. When I make a replica I don’t try to replicate every last detail, I want to get the size approximately right and the materials pretty close to the same and the design about the same. But I don’t sweat the details because that’s just how the ancients did it. There are many ancient pots where there are multiple examples of the same pot and similar designs by different artists and that is exactly what they were doing. But of course they often were working from memory and didn’t have a smartphone.

@compostlipstick Год назад

I just found your channel and am learning so much. Very interesting! I am wondering where I could find some clay around SLC. I’m sure southern Utah is a gold mine. Any videos about Utah clay/pottery?

@AncientPottery Год назад

No I don't have any videos about Utah. But the Southwest Kiln COnference will be in Blanding, Utah this fall, you should attend www.swkiln.com

@angeladazlich7145 Год назад

Thanks for a video full of valuable nuggets of helpful advice. Question: when adding water to an ornery clay like Pima Brown, do you go by feel or do you have some kind of moisture monitor? Also what kind of temper did you use?

@AncientPottery Год назад

You're welcome. I add water by feel. This was tempered with sherds, which is also an inaccuracy because Encinas R-B was sand tempered.

@sheilam4964 Год назад

I was thinking, If you made two more pukies the same size as this 12" one so you could turn the clay over by placing the second one inside the clay shape would that be easier than using the plywood? I say two pukies because one would not match the shape of the dent in this one in the vid or is getting two the same size and shape the problem? You could probably make a duplicate of this one but lining up one dent is bad enough without having to line up two dents. Sssooo as I am writing this out I see the difficulty in two pukies matching. I am leaving the comment just for giggles so please feel free to giggle.

@CarrieMtn Год назад

Not a silly idea at all.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Not a bad idea, that is exactly what I did in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DFz3A8z7Xq4.html Thanks for leaving your thoughts here.

@sheilam4964 Год назад

@@AncientPottery Oh! that's nice to hear - good to know. Thanks.

@twinArmageddon2 Год назад

3:45 Is there any reason they wouldn't/couldn't use a second puki that was comparably sized and shaped to hold the piece by turning it out onto the outside of the second puki?

@AncientPottery Год назад

Actually that's what I did in a previous video and it works great. If you have the correct sized puki.

@ck6012 5 месяцев назад

In place of plywood a heavy woven mat of woven bullrush or agave (or what ever mat in the SW were made from) could be used?

@JustOneAsbesto Год назад

I bet they flipped it onto a big piece of bark. Wait, it's the southwest. Probably not big enough trees in the desert. Maybe rawhide.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Both are good suggestions and there are large trees here, pines and cottonwoods get quite large here.

@EliotChildress Год назад

Thanks for the video :) Im a teacher and want to try ancient pottery with my kids. But I’m worried about cracking during the firing and having that ruin the pots. Are there any problems associated with using too much temper beyond being harder to work? I feel like being harder to work would be a decent trade off if every kid ends up with a pot. Also, for extra info, Most of the pots would be decently small. Just a proof of concept type size.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Most of my pottery does fine, just add temper and it will be okay. Temper will make you lose some plasticity and the finished product can be weaker if you overdo it. Take a look at this video for ideas of using commercial clay with added temper. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n1zwTqlu4GI.html

@sarahjarden8306 Год назад

Loving the channel, very interesting! I'm not on Instagram. Can I join this year's pottry challenge and where do I find out what is to be made please. Many thanks. I'm in Northern Ireland.

@AncientPottery Год назад

This video shows all the pots in this year's challenge ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YLamGmqHIXk.html You will have to post on Instagram if you would like your photo shared on my channel. Thanks

@sarahjarden8306 Год назад

@@AncientPottery thank you! 😊

@Theoldindie Год назад

A flat stone?! or a fired clay tile?! Could that work instead of plywood?

@AncientPottery Год назад

Sure

@TripleThreats2.0 Год назад

Andy i found clay in my backyard and I processed it with the wet process but when I pulled it out of the pillowcase it was really sticky what should I do?

@AncientPottery Год назад

Let it dry longer, its still too wet if it is sticky

@treelore7266 Год назад

I guess they could've made a round wicker panel to flip their bowls, don't need a board for that.

@AncientPottery Год назад

Good point they were masters of basketry

@GunnarShaffer Месяц назад

How long are you waiting between coils so that it hardens enough to support the next layer? Thanks, Gunnar

@AncientPottery Месяц назад

I don't usually wait between coils unless the pot walls are getting floppy and not strong enough to hold up, then the amount of time to wait will depend on your temperature and relative humidity.

@GunnarShaffer Месяц назад

@@AncientPottery I met Chase with the Caddo pottery last week and learned his method of flattening the coil and building up 2-3in at a time and it is working great but taking a while between layers. I am in Arkansas and we always have high humidity. I had 2 successful fires... I really appreciate all your videos!

@TimmyVision Год назад

How much clay do you have stored to use?

@AncientPottery Год назад

I have a lot of dry clay sitting around, but I only mix up as much wet clay as I will be using soon.

@bigDbigDbigD Год назад

Could the NA have used a baked slab of clay to flip the puki?

@AncientPottery Год назад

Yes but we don't find slabs of clay in the archaeological record. Slabs of stone sometimes though...

@bigDbigDbigD Год назад

@@AncientPotteryhuh. Right. It seems like a slab would have been the second major use of clay right after the pot. Thanks.

@cactusbaboon321 Год назад

Do you apply a makers mark to your pots, distingushing them as recreations and not authintic prehistorical pottery ware?

@AncientPottery Год назад

I sign them

@lanceroark6386 Год назад

I’d use a bowl that had already been fired to drape the new bowl over.

@mihailvormittag6211 Год назад

👍

@BioMusing 11 месяцев назад

What happens if you use too much temperature? Like 30% or 40%

@AncientPottery 11 месяцев назад

At around 50% temper the clay will stop sticking together and become unusable.

@BubuH-cq6km Год назад

10:03 snap crackle pop 😬 😒

@AncientPottery Год назад

Yes definitely. Ouch!

@CarrieMtn Год назад

Andy- I’m on the last chapter of Craig Chilld’s Finders keepers book. Have you read it? What is your opinion? What is the opinion of others who find primitive pottery interesting? Personally I think this would be a fascinating video topic. But maybe too controversial?

@AncientPottery Год назад

I have never read it but it is something I have meant to read for a long time. I guess I should stop procrastinating and do it. I do love his book "House of Rain".

@CarrieMtn Год назад

@@AncientPottery I’ll read house of rain next time. I’m driving down to Tucson/oro valley in a few weeks. Maybe I’ll get the audio. Reading Finders keepers, I felt a little more knowledgeable because of you- “mimbres pottery, casa grande, polychrome, and corrugated etc… when he would talk about these pottery types, I would remember the examples you’ve shared. It made the reading more 3 dimensional for me. Again thanks for being such a great teacher.

@doriswlongAgoandfarAway Год назад

thin piece of sandstone

@AncientPottery Год назад

Great idea. This would depend greatly on the geology near the village. People who lived on the Colorado Plateau to the north had lots of sandstone slabs available. People down in the Safford Valley where the original of the bowl was found would have been lucky to have a piece of sandstone that big.

@jazzwhiskey582 Год назад

I wonder what the ancient potter who made the pot the Michael used to make his puki, which you used to make your puki, would think to know the bottom dent has been copied into 2022! 🤣

@AncientPottery Год назад

True, pretty crazy to think about. How many pots have that same dent?