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MiSTer FPGA and Sega Model 2; Could MiSTer Run Sega's 3D Powerhouse Arcade Boards? Let's Check! 

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Lately I’ve been getting a TON of question in regards to MiSTer FPGA arcade cores and if they’d be possible…probably because of the MiSTer FPGA N64 core. Leading the charge? Sega Model 2…home of Daytone USA, Virtua Fighter 2 and The House of the Dead! So let’s see id MiSTer could potentially handle it!
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Now that the Nintendo 64 MiSTer FPGA core has proven to be very possible...my comments section and my Discord DMs keep lighting up with questions like "Could MiSTer FPGA run X"...and the number one question of all is whether or not MiSTer FPGA could handle the Sega Model 2 arcade board. So let's look at the Sega arcade hardware, the MiSTer FPGA hardware, break down the technical specifications and see if Sega Model 2 is truly the impossible core or if we have another MiSTer FPGA N64 core situation on our hands!
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I asked, you answered...and I try to listen :) Of all the requests for new content on the channel one of the most frequently asked for videos is a series on the Terasic DE-10 Nano MiSTer FPGA hardware...so here it is! Retro gaming goodness.
On this episode of our MiSTer series we are going to be talking the Sega Model 2 arcade board (Virtual Fighter 2), the Sega Model 2A arcade board (Virtua Cop 2), the Sega Model 2B arcade board AND the Sega Model 2C arcade board...most famously known for The House of the Dead
Because there are some seriously best Sega games of all time games on Model 2 as well as some Sega Hidden gems! oh and because we have the Sega Saturn MiSTer FPGA core SOME of the Model 2 sound hardware is already working on MiSTer FPGA
Questions? Comments? Just leave them below and I will do my best to answer each and every one of them!
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@BeatemupMaster
@BeatemupMaster 11 месяцев назад
It would be Awesome to have more Arcade on MiSTer like Virtua Fighter or Street Fighter EX Plus Update, that was only on the Arcade! But it would be even harder to had, Hyper Neo Geo 64. Don't Give up! 🔥🔥🔥
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Ooh Hyper. You know I want that!
@BeatemupMaster
@BeatemupMaster 11 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica Underrated Arcade
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Trust me I know. I’ve got the full set in my arcade closet
@tecianeli
@tecianeli 11 месяцев назад
Sega Model 2 is impossible to run on Mister until FPGAzumSpass prove it is.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Lol he’s not into arcade stuff so I doubt he’d take a look
@trzy
@trzy 11 месяцев назад
Not familiar with the Mister FPGA specs but I think the big question is simply whether all of the hardware could fit into number of gates available for use. The Model 2 is basically a big multi-processor system that uses a bunch of microprocessors and DSPs to do everything. Each of those have to be implemented, along with all the glue logic that binds them together.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
That’s the question at hand. If you could get them ALL on the FPGA in the avail space. I think you could for OG Model 2 at least
@Spokavriel
@Spokavriel 11 месяцев назад
One benefit is in all of this we are effectively making a custom chip in the fpga each time. and as seen with N64 there are often functions not utilized by the game. we might even end up with only 2 or 3 functions of that silicon used in the implementation that they used the chip for letting someone get the math right on just those functions letting b and c squeak in on some games without full function re-implementation.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
This is true. Plenty of the functions never got touched by the games so those are useless as far as getting them in logic is concerned
@Tailslol
@Tailslol 11 месяцев назад
at least model 1 for virtua racing would be nice.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Model 1 would def be possible it seems
@H6rdc0re
@H6rdc0re 11 месяцев назад
Shouldn't we ask for Sega System 24, 32 and Model 1 first? How about Namco System 12, 13 and Super System 22, 23?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Sure and I’ll do those vids in the future. I make these in the order of the requests I get in comments :)
@davidoliveira7184
@davidoliveira7184 10 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica, yes - please do Namco 3D arcade platforms!
@davidoliveira7184
@davidoliveira7184 10 месяцев назад
Completely agree: those are also highly desirable platforms to see on the MiSTer. And most likely simpler ones to implement, as they only output flat shaded polygons.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
I will eventually :)
@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA
@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA 11 месяцев назад
Never mind Model 2 I'm still waiting for Enduro Racer.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Maybe one day
@IceDelight
@IceDelight 11 месяцев назад
I'd be happy with Sega Model 1 to be honest.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
I do hope we see it but with such a limited library of games I’d wonder if anyone wants to take on the work for such a small yield
@ZekealllBeroke
@ZekealllBeroke 10 месяцев назад
​@@VideoGameEsotericaI mean the cps3 has less than 6 games so quantity ain't an issue for these developers
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
True. But popularity wise CPS 3 is gonna come out ahead of you poll people
@ZekealllBeroke
@ZekealllBeroke 10 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica I know I'm hoping that cps3 and igs pgm won't mars only currently playing the gladiators on my laptop would love to have that on a TV screen
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
I’m sure it’ll all end up on MiSTer. That’s where the patrons are and the hardware install base is
@shain6946
@shain6946 11 месяцев назад
For me Model 3 is more interesting, so many great Sega games that never got ported to PC or console.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
I love 2 and 3 equally
@simon41978
@simon41978 11 месяцев назад
The 3D aspects are a bonus to me. I'd be happy with Model 1 but, of course, would like Model 2.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Would be fun to see both for sure
@quickrat3348
@quickrat3348 2 месяца назад
A question that comes to my mind is if a 2nd generation of MiSTer will ever be made to incluse some of these systems and boards. And of course, if 1st-gen cores will be compatible...
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 2 месяца назад
There will eventually be a second gen mister
@quickrat3348
@quickrat3348 2 месяца назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica But I guess that'll come within several years, not anytime soon
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 2 месяца назад
Yes it’s not here yet
@MickMacklerack
@MickMacklerack 11 месяцев назад
I doubt it. Devs don't have a clue what those m2 graphics do at the transistor level to code a perfect software emulator. Elsemi did high level emulation in his m2emu. Mame has some math calculation issues (flying cars in sega rally). Would love to be proved wrong and see it done!
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
But with enough effort someone could learn :)
@locked01
@locked01 10 месяцев назад
I agree. Once Elsemi will retire from SEGA, maybe we will see some Model 2 FPGA or Model 2 ported to other systems besides Windows.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
We can only hope
@davitron86
@davitron86 10 месяцев назад
"THE IMPOSSIBLE CORE! Sega Model 2C releases NEW CORE??" Manifesting that.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Haha it’s good energy to manifest
@jackal27
@jackal27 11 месяцев назад
Appreciate this video because I’ve always wondered but knew people were always asking lol
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
I enjoy these kinds of videos. Just pure thought experiments
@nodieza
@nodieza 11 месяцев назад
Just want to say I appreciate all of the understated humor you sprinkle in 😂
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Haha I’m glad people enjoy it. It’s one of my most fun things to do
@Zilog80_
@Zilog80_ 11 месяцев назад
I want initial D, isn’t that a model 3? Sky target looks so good! It’s like AfterBurner 3d Is that a Pepsi branded skateboard in fighting vipers? Gotta love the corporate-ness of the 90s that brought us Pepsi man
@cesargabrielmendozavera6548
@cesargabrielmendozavera6548 10 месяцев назад
Initial D is a Naomi game
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
No NAOMI
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
And yes that’s Pepsi lol
@lwwells
@lwwells 10 месяцев назад
“so you’re telling me there’s a chance!”
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Haha never know
@Sutrabla
@Sutrabla 11 месяцев назад
what about having different variant cores with only the chips used by the game in FPGA, loading the custom core automatically based on selected game?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
That would be most likely how it’s done; core for each variant
@jmssun
@jmssun 5 месяцев назад
I enjoy the bag of chips reference 😂
@snintendog
@snintendog 11 месяцев назад
Now the real question. MARS? If its the amount of logic elements stopping it theoretically. Just how many would the... 6 GPU chips of B need and so on for C?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Possible on MARS. But we know so little about it so far hard to say
@zombiekilldemon
@zombiekilldemon 11 месяцев назад
I feel called out because I'm one of those people annoying everyone asking for Model 2 core. I just want some arcade perfect House of the Dead. 😅
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
haha dont feel called out. Its a fun question to answer :)
@RetroRockGamer
@RetroRockGamer 11 месяцев назад
Is there any arcade core lightgun support?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Not as of yet no. At least not last time I checked
@TobyRieper48
@TobyRieper48 11 месяцев назад
Model 2 definitely. Such an amazing system, may as well do Model 1 as well :) Daytonaaa!!!!!
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Let’s go away!
@Bugatti12563
@Bugatti12563 11 месяцев назад
So Model 1 must be possible for sure? Still waiting to play a cycle accurate version of VIrtua Fighter arcade. Oh well, I'll just play a cycle accurate Saturn copy then :)
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Model 1 def seems doable. I’ll do a vid in the future
@duxzu
@duxzu 11 месяцев назад
Could some of those sound chips be offloaded to software emulation similar to the mt32-pi? Or is that the wrong way to think about it since they are integral to the board so to speak?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Wrong way to think about it :)
@CCCP-sr9ou
@CCCP-sr9ou 11 месяцев назад
Sega Model 3 )
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Snowballs chance in hell
@Bugatti12563
@Bugatti12563 11 месяцев назад
Supermodel emulator is fantastic, i'm sure you tried it @@VideoGameEsoterica
@maicon7777777
@maicon7777777 10 месяцев назад
I would like to know if MisTer fpga will run street fighter ex plus A and B
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
The psx arcade stuff?
@METR0lD
@METR0lD 11 месяцев назад
Wow, I was literally *just* trying to get Model 2 emulation to work on my Steam Deck last night. Spent a couple hours on it by following a guide I found online, but I eventually had to give up on it though, because it just wasn't working. Super frustrating!
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
It’s so dependent on Windows. We’re you dual booting?
@joelgutheil4292
@joelgutheil4292 8 месяцев назад
Doesn’t require windows at all. Let me know if you’re still struggling.
@SiincereARC
@SiincereARC 11 месяцев назад
Plan to do a video on Direct Video (LaserBear's version)?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
At some point. It’s on the list. But the list grows ever longer
@DaveRepairs
@DaveRepairs 11 месяцев назад
Will we get a video of you eating your words
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
I hope so :)
@sb6482
@sb6482 10 месяцев назад
theres no fucking way any n64 game looks as complex as model2!
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Looks don’t matter. Just computational power and needed logic.
@spongeknock7387
@spongeknock7387 11 месяцев назад
Excellent video but I’ve got one simple question for you VGE…. What is a more powerful arcade machine. Sega model 3 or Sega Naomi? Nobody has done a video comparing the two, so you can be the first i think👍
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Mixed answer; model 3 beats NAOMI in some departments, NAOMI wins in the other. Just depends on where you need the power p
@spongeknock7387
@spongeknock7387 11 месяцев назад
You are the chosen one to do a video on it because nobody else has as far as i can tell. Or maybe I’m the only one who really cares 😂
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Haha I care too. I’ll consider a vid :)
@spongeknock7387
@spongeknock7387 11 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsotericanice it would make a great video 👍
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Never know what I’ll se
@nickiebanchou
@nickiebanchou 10 месяцев назад
by the way Namco System22 too!!
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
I may look at that in another vid
@davidoliveira7184
@davidoliveira7184 10 месяцев назад
A Raspberry Pi could be connected to the bus/GPIO to be used as a GPU PiStorm / provide graphics functionality via OpenGL ✌️
@davidoliveira7184
@davidoliveira7184 10 месяцев назад
In other words, the Raspberry Pi would do the work of the DSPs / GPU.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Yes but sorta defeats the FPGA purpose. I’d still play it though!
@davidoliveira7184
@davidoliveira7184 10 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica is an Amiga using a PiStorm as CPU not an Amiga anymore? Sega Model 2 is such an significantly important system, it’s completely justified. Come on, you even did a video about it! First Sega Model 2, then Konami GTI Club / Cobra / Viper 😉 PS: Would the GPIO - or even the DRAM interface - be feasible to connect a Raspberry Pi (a lá PiStorm) to perform the GPU work? Would like to hear (informed) people’s views on this 👍
@davidoliveira7184
@davidoliveira7184 10 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica - idea: What about inviting Robert, Jotego (and/or other notorious MiSTer devs) for a technical interview on the channel, to ask things like these?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Yes you could use GPIO for a hat
@educobuci
@educobuci 11 месяцев назад
I’ve read Intel i9 25Ghz for a sec 😅
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Haha that would be FAST
@snintendog
@snintendog 11 месяцев назад
i9 25Ghz? Mmmm lovely space heater and gaming machine.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Lol
@sb6482
@sb6482 10 месяцев назад
how about model 1 first lads
@johnsundberg7697
@johnsundberg7697 11 месяцев назад
Would love a Model 2 core. Seems a little out of reach since that hardware is way past N64, but we didn't believe we'd get that either... Unrelated (well maybe only a little) but have you played the Daytona 2 in the new Like a Dragon game? Might be a cool video to make as a follow-up to your unported Sega racers videos.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
I wouldnt put OG Model 2 past N64 in complexity nor clock speeds
@johnsundberg7697
@johnsundberg7697 11 месяцев назад
That's interesting because I've always thought of Model 2 as superior to the N64. Probably because every game runs at a locked 60fps and on N64 your lucky if you get 30.@@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
It’s just because it was designed to target 60fps in the dev process. N64 hardware didn’t age as well visually but it’s equally if not more so “advanced”
@alexmaiadias6968
@alexmaiadias6968 11 месяцев назад
Gzus man, Model 2 have a PS2 graphics at 1993/4, even Model 2 ports on Console (on PS2, not the Model 2 Collection on PS3/X360 that are faithful ports) are downgraded because of graphic complexity.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
It does hold up well graphically even to today
@RuteRodrigues-b2w
@RuteRodrigues-b2w 11 месяцев назад
where is the sega system 18 sega system 24 sega system 32 hyper neo geo 64 and capcom cps3?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Pending or not announced
@MrDukeeeey
@MrDukeeeey 11 месяцев назад
I don't think the hardware is well enough understood where low level emulation would be possible.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Thats just a time issue though
@MrDukeeeey
@MrDukeeeey 11 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica I am not so sure. There have been efforts to decap some of the chips for the model 2. But I am not sure how far they got, or how successful they were. As far as I understand the emulation in mame for model 2's gpu is mostly high level.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Yeah I’m not saying it’s an easy task. I’m just talking about technical overheads :)
@PancakeDev
@PancakeDev 11 месяцев назад
What about Dreamcast? It has an insane clock speed, but if any 6th gen machine could make it, it would have to be the Dreamcast with its simpler architecture. I think the main challenge would be the sound chip besides the clock speed itself.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
The clock speed is the issue on DC
@systemshocker2875
@systemshocker2875 11 месяцев назад
I think MARSFPGA will achieve that before Mister does.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
I dunno why you would think that? nothing against MARS (I mean I do videos on it)
@systemshocker2875
@systemshocker2875 11 месяцев назад
@@VideoGameEsoterica mainly cause of the fpga chip its gonna use,but I'll save it for when we actually see footage of it. Besides that price point sticks out like a sore thumb for me.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
That’s the point of this vid. Discussing logic needed. MiSTer would more than likely fit most of this
@SP95
@SP95 10 месяцев назад
WHUT ?!?!? Sega Model 2 on MiSTer 😱💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥 How many episodes did I miss !? This is amazingggggg 🥶🥵🥶🥵🥶🥵
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 10 месяцев назад
Lol I’m assuming this is in jest
@ShutUpAndListen79
@ShutUpAndListen79 11 месяцев назад
I bet the Sega S-TV Titan would run. As it is Saturn hardware.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Yes I’m sure that would work
@sunderark
@sunderark 11 месяцев назад
I.. I had to check if the video was playing at 0.75 speed. I'm not used to you speaking this slow.
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Was I? Lol
@halla6323
@halla6323 11 месяцев назад
Is there a similar board like the de-10 nano that could be used with the Mister that has more capabilities?
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Nothing currently no
@draketungsten74
@draketungsten74 11 месяцев назад
So... One playable game by Christmas?😅 jk
@VideoGameEsoterica
@VideoGameEsoterica 11 месяцев назад
Lol nice
@jasonhowe1697
@jasonhowe1697 11 месяцев назад
CORES would be nice however you would still need to both model 1 and model 2revisions id you are speaking of the segamsand sega ms2 and samewith genesis/megadrive cores, i believemodel 2s sms droped cuecard support, wjereasmodel1's had it model 1 i believe in the genesis/mega you got the side by cd add-ons the second revision had the revised unit under neath the console
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