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MIXING on HEADPHONES!?!? 

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I tried mixing on headphones.... Well......
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@VCVRackIdeas
@VCVRackIdeas 5 лет назад
ok, mono for levels' cheking in headphones (any headphones) is absolute must do thing!
@stuff4826
@stuff4826 5 лет назад
yes! and that problem with the channels connectors he noticed, wonder how many "monitor" mixes went by with that. checking for stuff like that with headphones is a must also.
@lonelykid7691
@lonelykid7691 5 лет назад
not a must do but ok
@stuff4826
@stuff4826 5 лет назад
@@lonelykid7691 you can make a paper mache filter instead of using an eq, but we all use eqs because its easier practical and standard. like signal checks in headphones...dont be a smartass, makes you look stupider than you are. say thank you...you couldve spent the next 10 years wondering why your levels dont translate
@jmorrisey79
@jmorrisey79 5 лет назад
@@stuff4826 Thumb down cause you came off like a real douche..
@kalazakan
@kalazakan 5 лет назад
@@jmorrisey79 Yeah jesus
@patrickkreman5424
@patrickkreman5424 5 лет назад
Mixing on headphones absolutely works. You just have to learn how it translates.
@RodrigoLana
@RodrigoLana 2 года назад
Justamente! O vídeo foi uma exposição de falta de conhecimento da fonte sonora e nada mais.
@jackdeansohl
@jackdeansohl 5 лет назад
Have you tried mixing Sandstorm by Darude in headphones?
@gajan8758
@gajan8758 5 лет назад
:D
@TheJigoChigo
@TheJigoChigo 5 лет назад
i did, had a very dry sound
@reptilespantoso
@reptilespantoso 5 лет назад
which version? there are 399496 different ones. :-D
@marekvoosen
@marekvoosen 5 лет назад
Mixing with reference tracks makes balancing easier for myself on headphones.
@rockboy360
@rockboy360 5 лет назад
That's the key to succesful mixing in any situation.
@christinejones2428
@christinejones2428 4 года назад
This.
@carolcooper3138
@carolcooper3138 5 лет назад
I think it's because you do most of your mixing in speakers so you're more accustomed to them, if you used headphones as much as you used your monitors and listened to a lot of music through them, you'd be comfortable mixing with them
@ggmusic6974
@ggmusic6974 5 лет назад
The source of your reference playback-device doesn't really matter as long as you are familiar with the source. I can mix on my headphones because I've been using it for many years so i KNOW how its supposed to sound in MY headphones.
@WMOfficialMusic
@WMOfficialMusic 5 лет назад
GG Music I have to agreed here also. While I do use speakers to make sure the dynamics work for speakers, many people are using basic computer speakers, headphones, or even cell phones to play music (and videos) as well. Doing an A/B test between speakers and headphones has trained my ear to what a speaker may sound like based on sounds in the headphones (I always listen to music with headphones at home and work). For example I already know the kick should not be too loud or bass too strong, otherwise it’s loud and muddy on speakers. I think it’s what you get used to hearing and how your ears are trained on the sounds. I finalize the mix on speakers just to make sure it fits there as well.
@derrickbillups5770
@derrickbillups5770 5 лет назад
Right! I know what my music sounds like on a $15 pair or ear buds. Been using them my whole life. I've never listened to music with a flat eq. I suppose if you're mixing music you're not use to, then flat eq with good monitors are highly important. However, if you're coming here to watch these videos, I'm betting 90% of the people are professionals and probably just mixing music they write and that they enjoy. Or at least I hope so. If you're mixing music you dont enjoy and not getting paid for, what the hell are you doing it for?
@WMOfficialMusic
@WMOfficialMusic 5 лет назад
I also notice that annoying frequencies are more obvious on headphones. It is much easier to catch those there. It’s not obvious on large speakers far from your ears.
@AdamTait-hy2qh
@AdamTait-hy2qh 5 лет назад
Wrong. You do not know how it is supposed to sound on random speakers. That is the whole point.
@Joako184
@Joako184 5 лет назад
Same dude, I have only mixed with headphones and I really know how they work. So, as long as you know that, you should be fine with your mixes. But be crtical and try to compare how they sound vs. monitors.
@TheTuubster
@TheTuubster 5 лет назад
I use both - headphones and monitor boxes. Not only because both emphasize different aspects of the (stereo) sound, but also the consumer uses both to listen to the music. It is finished when it sounds good ("right") with both. BTW that includes also listening to the result on a surround system. Even if you have not planned it, an enabled Dolby surround decoder extracts information from the stereo mix and plays it through the rear channels.
@BoDiddly
@BoDiddly 5 лет назад
It's not the headphones. It's the music you were given. It seems to me the producer was trying to bring too much and was all over the place.
@haslo_
@haslo_ 3 года назад
I've got a tinnitus, which always gets worse when I spend a couple of hours with headphones making music (volume doesn't seem to matter). Getting monitors got rid of that. So I never produce, mix or master with headphones any more. I still check the mix with them, because they were my main way of listening to music before I had a home office with studio monitors.
@alexbreyer6921
@alexbreyer6921 5 лет назад
Two observations: 1) If you were mixing in the box more at the beginning versus on the console, you might have had some visual aids helping you with the level matching and EQ. 2) Regarding your checking different speaker options, you could add to Sonarworks with Goodhertz CanOpener which can allow you to have stereo crossfeed and some different environmental sounds.
@heavymetalmixer91
@heavymetalmixer91 5 лет назад
Hehehe, welcome to hell buddy :D Mixing on headphones is a whole different world, but you can get used to it and even identify easily the subs, the trick is closing your eyes and hearing carefully for that "low-end air" that the subs have. Also, remember that headphones tire the ears way faster than monitors, so work for 20 mins and rest. I usually go for 10 mins breaks. PD: Once I have the listening level for hearing the lows and highs, what I do is turning down the master fader 12dB for the low-level listening, very good for fixing balance.
@TevinBlanks
@TevinBlanks 3 года назад
I know I’m almost 2 years late but we need more of this..really appreciate what you do.
@ginopalma7130
@ginopalma7130 5 лет назад
Interesting. I started out mixing on headphones and I've had many of the issues you had, but instead of having them with headphones, I've had them with using monitors to mix. I think it may be a matter of what you're used to and how you've trained your ears to hear different elements of a mix. Whenever I've gotten new headphones I've had similar issues to what you've had, but after a couple weeks of using them regularly, I get used to them to the point where I'm able to hear those different elements just as good if not better depending on the headphones themselves.
@xaosnox
@xaosnox 5 лет назад
Absolutely agree. It takes time to calibrate yourself to the equipment. It's definitely worth getting used to headphones, especially since that what most people use to listen to music anyway! It really makes you use your ears. He's struggling with not getting the cues from his body that he's used to, but you adjust to that. I think mixes actually come out better on headphones, especially if they are calibrated. I've done mixes on the $100 Audio Technica closed back headphones I used for recording monitors and then played them on monitors (speakers) and they sounded better than mixes I'd done on the "real" monitors.
@boothbuster
@boothbuster 5 лет назад
X S yep I agree, see my other comment above... I feel high end monitors make it very hard to hear problems. If one sound is masking another, I can’t tell on a monitor, because they are good at reproducing all the sounds no matter what. I never feel like I have a clear direction to go. Whereas my beyer cans tell me instantly when something finally “fits”. Not to mention I feel like I can add more subtlety and ear candy for headphone listeners that I’d skimp on with on,y monitors.... and that ear candy is what makes a mix sound “big” on smaller systems. Big speakers are fun to produce on but are too exciting to listen to in a way.
@boothbuster
@boothbuster 5 лет назад
Not to mention... reverbs and delays absolutely need to be checked on headphones, too easy to overdo them on speakers. Plus stereo level - stereo on headphones make that track sound louder. I can only rely on headphones to be sure a wide stereo sound is not too loud. Going the other way, the biggest thing I check on with speakers is maybe that my kick isn’t too big or boomy, but that’s about it.
@montazownianr1
@montazownianr1 5 лет назад
@@boothbuster What beyer cans ?
@boothbuster
@boothbuster 5 лет назад
Montażownia nr1 I am using the Amiron Wireless. They’re my favorite headphones to date by far!
@TylerDickeyMusic
@TylerDickeyMusic 5 лет назад
I think you should do a video talking about your journey through audio production. How you started and what pieces of gear you’ve accumulated along the way, how long it took to get your own studio, etc.
@spslist
@spslist 5 лет назад
The method I use for headphone use, is editing and quick balancing at night when the house is asleep, and day-time mixing in the monitors. This is what works for me.
@kobiban
@kobiban 5 лет назад
I mix mostly in my Audio Technica ATH R70X Open headphones. I've tried doing it with my speakers, also studio grade, but I just don't get as good results. I think the years of sitting in my room, listening to music on my headphones and playing video games has made it hard for me to know what it should sound like on speakers.
@momoflows1923
@momoflows1923 4 года назад
yh i know it sucks but i think headphones are the future of mixing.
@xaosnox
@xaosnox 5 лет назад
Conclusion: You did a great job for your first time on headphones. Now that you've tested what you can do with JUST headphones for the first time, the goal is to be able to get good mixes with them when you are away from your studio, right? To do that, you've got to go back and forth between them and your speakers so your brain gets calibrated. I did this with my visual monitors when I was doing color work for print. I knew exactly how what I saw on my monitor was going to come out on certain presses. It's the same with this. And the other thing you need if you want to be able to mix in the box is a UAD interface. an Apollo Twin MKII Duo is in the price, size and performance sweet spot. You get double the processing power for only a hundred+ bucks more than the Solo (which I've heard a lot of complaints about, but people love their Duos), and you get so-friggin-close-to-analog quality that it's unreal. I think the Neumann console is about the only one they don't have modeled. I could be wrong, but the Neve sounds amazing and the API and SSL channel strips are great, too. So, I think this is a success. The mix still needs work, but just remember the reason you wanted to do this in the first place and let yourself train by using the speakers and headphones together until you know what you're gonna get out of those cans. Thank you. Loved that you shared all this.
@Catandbeats
@Catandbeats 5 лет назад
Conclusion: 01:10:08 :)
@Whiteseastudio
@Whiteseastudio 5 лет назад
You are invited to the BBQ
@Catandbeats
@Catandbeats 5 лет назад
@@Whiteseastudio Awesome, see you in 5 haha
@DanPickard
@DanPickard 4 года назад
It makes sense that the sub bass was way too loud because the way we hear sub bass is very different - most of the super low frequencies do not get heard via the auditory canal but through the body and head, which no headphones can replicate.
@PhilCoIIins
@PhilCoIIins 5 лет назад
Very awesome video. Super informative and I love the fact that you're walking through all of your decision making. The fact that we can KNOW (by your explanation) and HEAR what you are doing at the same time has taught me so much in just in this one video. Also, love the fact that you comment on the musicality/stems (?, still a noob at this) from this current perspective (mixing). As a new hobbyist in trying his hand at all of it - producing, mixing and mastering - this info is great to hear from a professional. Now specifically for this video test, it was a very interesting test to try mixing only with headphones. As someone who is just starting out and looking for what to buy first, this definitely helps realign me from all of the reviews and comparisons with what is really important. From what I took out of this video (aside from the wealth of mixing knowledge) you need to have both speakers (monitors) and headphones (maybe not NEED per se); but monitors help you bring everything together where headphones help you hone in on finer details. THANKS!
@haudraufbud1986
@haudraufbud1986 4 года назад
19:38 The "flat calibration" isn't the Zero Latency setting. It is the Linear Phase setting.
@donrobe5281
@donrobe5281 4 года назад
Mix in mono on headphones at times. Use a hp at 70hz and lp at 13k to give a similar auratone reference check. Also narrowing the width on headphones can help just while mixing say to 75% from 100%
@jaegervand2112
@jaegervand2112 3 года назад
An amazing headphone amp with crosstalk (SPL Phonitor, Merging Anubis...) and three sets of amazing headphones (Neutral, sub bass, resolution). And, of course, a lot of experience.
@erikduijs2723
@erikduijs2723 5 лет назад
Regarding the bass being too loud, maybe you've been compensating for the lack of 'feeling' the bass through your body that you normally get with speakers? Anyway, every time I'm mixing though new speakers, new headphones, an unfamiliar room etc, I experience similar things. I think it just takes time to adjust, and a flat frequency response is not the end-all. In my experience, during these times it helps a lot to frequently use reference tracks to help your ears nudge you in the right direction. For home studio mixers in untreated rooms and not so great speakers, I would still recommend using mainly headphones; not only will it work better, but it's also a lot cheaper to get a decent sound.
@dat1beats
@dat1beats 5 лет назад
Not a bad mix to me. Why don’t you use those headphones along with Waves NX? Maybe that may help you with your mixing decisions.
@BennyFade
@BennyFade 5 лет назад
I liked the video, thanks for that. I just bought a new pair of Adam a7x speakers because I was not satisfied with the results with headphones, especially the bottom end and the overall balance, same as you said. Hope my mixes will translate better in the future 😆
@donnythompson408
@donnythompson408 5 лет назад
I’ve mixed through HP’s over the course of my career, (usually out of “necessity” for given scenarios), and I also have the Sonarworks Ref for HP’s... I’ve turned out what I thought were “decent” mixes using them, but the mixes I’ve done while monitoring through near fields are always much better. Normally, I only use HP’s as an intermittent reference for imaging - and sometimes for checking reverb levels - but unless I’m forced to mix through cans due to circumstances, I always opt for monitors. I’m willing to concede that my lackluster results when mixing through cans is simply because I haven’t done it that much (which is sort of weird considering I’ve been in the biz since 1979); and that this is because I’m just so accustomed to mixing through monitors in a well-tuned room. I think (maybe) the key(s) to mixing through headphones successfully, is that you have to do it a LOT, continually checking mix translation on other playback systems with speakers, and that you always use the SAME headphones, a model that you are very familiar with sonically. I also think - whatever model you use and are accustomed to - that the HP’s should be open backed; closed-back cans are great for eliminating bleed while tracking, but not for mixing, as they skew the sonics in major ways. I absolutely do understand that there are those who need to mix through headphones; if mixing late at night while others are sleeping; or if living in an apartment where the neighbors can hear (and bitch) regardless of the time of day or night; or, if the space you’re mixing in is really poor acoustically... I think that there are valid scenarios in which using HP’s are beneficial. I’m not sure that the quality of the phones matters quite as much as being very familiar with the HP’s you have - though I’m not implying that you should go budget-cheap either. I’m just suggesting that dropping thousands of dollars on a pair of headphones probably isn’t necessary. I think it’s mostly about familiarity, and getting accustomed to using them; and if your HP mixes are translating well to outside playback systems, then that’s what matters. But - at least for now... I’m sticking to what I’ve always relied on ...my near fields. 😉 IMHO.
@berthamadrigal4185
@berthamadrigal4185 3 года назад
Dope bro I loved this video it was a great rough mix don’t even worry about it was great thank you
@MafezieRecords_Studio
@MafezieRecords_Studio 4 года назад
I've tryed mixing in headphones before but my ears started paining like hell. And my mix sounded light
@agencies5061
@agencies5061 4 года назад
What you won’t ever hear in a headphone mix is the room. Your room. Unless you mix in an anechoic environment, your room still plays a big factor.
@JohnBack
@JohnBack 5 лет назад
Watching this reminds me of my biggest bugbear when mixing (my own work) - listening to the same music sections over and over forever until you (a) want to do something else or (b) lose all objectivity. Kudos to people that have the perseverance.
@guitar8617
@guitar8617 5 лет назад
It took me some time to get the level balances down in Sonarworks but after working with it and my Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro's after a couple mixes it became a lot more natural. I always double check my mix on my speakers as well when I get close to the end of the mix too just to get another reference.
@KeyAndrew
@KeyAndrew 3 года назад
I have the same headphones as well and I use "Acustica Sienna" to simulate a room sound.
@nicholaskillmeier4895
@nicholaskillmeier4895 4 года назад
How do you set this up to go from your DAW to your analog mixing and back to the DAW? Like are you recording it back to the DAW at unity gain, or are you taking a loss in the digital fidelity every time you re-mix track? Also when you-remix a track in analog, do you go back to the original file and try to recall the console settings?
@thomaskarlsson5503
@thomaskarlsson5503 4 года назад
We are normally not bound to either head phones or speakers but depending on the location situation, we might be forced to use head phones mainly and then for the final touch, switch to speakers. Or switch back and forth inbetween. This is how I do it because I live in an apartment and working late nights with mixing.
@Jmusiquex
@Jmusiquex 5 лет назад
Thank you. I will continue to mix and master on my monitors.
@DudeMannn
@DudeMannn 4 года назад
If you are using headphones to mix just add a track with a professional song that matches the kind of sound you want to achieve and use it as a reference as you mix. That way you won't feel you are blind mixing with headphones.
@NikudemusProductions
@NikudemusProductions 5 лет назад
One problem with headphones is that I feel that the vocals are louder then they really are
@vanderhooftamvl6587
@vanderhooftamvl6587 5 лет назад
I think it partly has to do that there is no visual representation in some elements, like everything that is mixed on the console. There are no meters for anything, so you have to hear everything. Sometimes it is nice to look at what's happening (comp meter or eq rta)
@justandras.
@justandras. 5 лет назад
I was expecting you to play the whole song at the end. I wanted to do my final listen on my speakers with you, because I was wearing headphones troughout the video. I would have been an interesting experiment. It's always nice to watch these song come together. I really like this series. Please keep up the great work! ;)
@Whiteseastudio
@Whiteseastudio 5 лет назад
It will be in next weeks video about mastering
@justandras.
@justandras. 5 лет назад
@@Whiteseastudio can't wait! :D
@multiverse3282
@multiverse3282 5 лет назад
I tend to forget that quite a few producers don't mix their own tracks. And here we are a bunch of hobby producers doing sound design, composition and mixing all in one. I must try to remember that the next time I want to pull my fucking hair out trying to make my hobby projects sound professional.
@KramerPacer2
@KramerPacer2 5 лет назад
I guess listening on speakers includes the rooms effects into the sound which can make it very subjective. Especially enhanced lows and wallbouncing highs lead to pushing the mids a bit more in the mix. I like your channel! Keep up the good work!
@45rpm.
@45rpm. 5 лет назад
Mixing a bass drum with the feeling in your chest! I have so much still to learn! I wouldn't trust just one monitoring method for a mix though. Sometimes when synthesizing a sound, I try it out on different monitors etc.
@MkProductionQ8
@MkProductionQ8 5 лет назад
i have an old headphone and it sounds exactly the same as my Yamaha HS8 Monitors . it has a flat sound = no compression + eq .. and i advise you to use mono for gain staging using headphones and it will help you a lot
@idleave
@idleave 5 лет назад
I’ve been using beyerdynanmic 770 pro (closed) for tracking and 990 pro (semi open) for mixing for decades. I just don’t think you can beat them.
@bengood5499
@bengood5499 5 лет назад
@Daniil Kravchuk I hear They're bassy. Rather have HD 600.
@tom_k_d
@tom_k_d 5 лет назад
well, maybe the DT880 for mixing - but that seems more just a matter of taste....
@TakeTheBluePill
@TakeTheBluePill 5 лет назад
I agree on the 770s
@boothbuster
@boothbuster 5 лет назад
idleave I use Beyers Amiron Home Wireless, my go to headphones. I never use my hd800. I believe 770 pro is similar. To me, Beyer gives a nice flat representation and somehow gets the kick and bass to be represented just right for mixing. Can’t mix at all with hd800, sometimes I’ll make a part 6 dB too loud very easily. I find with studio monitors, it’s too easy to hear everything well whereas the headphones really pinpoint and help me dial in towards a certain sound. That’s the one thing I never agreed with on using high end monitors... they sound great but they also have so much bandwidth. So maybe two sounds are competing but I can’t tell on great monitors, I actually need cheap monitors or good headphones. Hd800 is the same issue, plus too much high end, and everything is always audible, so nothing ever really seems wrong. One of these days I’ll rent out a really decked out studio with angled walls just to see if that behaves much differently.
@AccuphaseMan
@AccuphaseMan 5 лет назад
don't know shit about mixing, but my 1990s are really nice on balanced pads. @Daniil Kravchuk
@NaviRetlav
@NaviRetlav 5 лет назад
I think that you should use a reference track on your headphones to compare your mix to the track you know is mixed good. Thanks to that you will learn way faster how your song sounds and what is missing.
@EHMSL1226
@EHMSL1226 5 лет назад
If you have the benefit of mixing on multiple headphones it can also help greatly. I use AT Mx40s, apple earpods and beats studios...all very common listening mediums and all very different profiles. I will go through and adjust on all of them til it sounds great through each (Checking on mono throughout). I then check the mix through monitors, computer speakers, phone speakers and car speakers then make adjustments. Also, make sure to reference like crazy to other records through each listening medium. If it sounds good on all of these...its a good mix!!
@stain704
@stain704 5 лет назад
if i have an instrumental with an open 16 bar verse ..is it possible that i can record one twelve bar verse & have my engineer cut the remaining four bars in that section to make a clean transition back into the chorus?
@annekedebruyn7797
@annekedebruyn7797 5 лет назад
As I am mostly mixing amateur bands at home I first mix on headphones to get the basics right than switch to monitors. It's so difficult to get compression and especially reverb right. I always end up overdoing it.
@gigngamer
@gigngamer 5 лет назад
main problem mixing with iphone is that the difference in level are waaaaaaay more subtle so if you used to monitor mixing you can over-mix V+ interesting video by the way, listen to your struggle is very interesting and i've learn many things
@jmoemorris4133
@jmoemorris4133 4 года назад
This is why it is important that people help one another and share experiences and not think you can only accomplish this in a certain way,other people have overcome the barriers with the bare minimum and have been equally successful.
@christiannilsen2835
@christiannilsen2835 5 лет назад
For the love of god paint that brown wall! It looks like an old alcoholic mans last stay before he died on the floor... also add Auralex :)
@katamy2138
@katamy2138 3 года назад
What???
@Hello-pl2qe
@Hello-pl2qe 4 года назад
Sounded great on my headphones lol
@kevinreddoch5214
@kevinreddoch5214 10 месяцев назад
I really like this vid. I think it's very honest from your perspective given how you're used to working. Because of my situation, I actually mix on headphones a lot. The biggest thing that helps me is using reference tracks that are volume matched with my mix. I find after I have a rough balance I can listen to specific frequency ranges, for example only 100hz and below, then I can compare the energy of the references to my mix and it will point out problems. I typically start with lows and work my way up through the spectrum. My goal isn't to match the references, but to have similar energy. After I started using that technique with headphones I found I could mix faster and it translated much better. 👍 Just wanted to share a method that works for me. It's probably not for everyone.
@TheLiryco
@TheLiryco 5 лет назад
One of my favorite mix and master engineer only mixes in heaphones he uses hd600 and his room is not treated crazy as it souds he mixes real low
@bastianmaoro8278
@bastianmaoro8278 5 лет назад
who? Nice
@isnowboard4god
@isnowboard4god 5 лет назад
Why have I heard this song like 300 times and still dont know what it is
@tyranic1
@tyranic1 5 лет назад
I agree the eq decisions was ok through the calibrated headphones , but i prefer to monitor through headphones in mono. I feel i can judge levels that translate better when listening through speakers back in stereo. I also will switch regularly between low and highish levels on all monitors and headphones during mixing. I also have have a Subpac strapped to the backrest of my seat set to my preference so i can judge the kick and subs better so they sound good in nightclubs. On a different note everyone should have a bit off hardware in their lives :-)
@baronvonbeandip
@baronvonbeandip 5 лет назад
I really enjoy this. I wish there was more content like this on RU-vid.
@Enders
@Enders 5 лет назад
I master my own stuff on headphones and with a studio setup. It is fun to see your comparisons here as I have made some very similar ones in my own headphone vs monitor mixing.
@derChili
@derChili 5 лет назад
Try a crossfeed plugin like goodhertz canopener. It helps with the ballance if you have a "speaker" like soundstage. But than again. Simply use your speakers XD.
@markuskoivisto
@markuskoivisto 5 лет назад
towi it just messes up the stereo ilahe for no good reason. It’s mostly obvious with drum overheads.
@hankweaverston2968
@hankweaverston2968 5 лет назад
There are modeling options in the sonar works programs that emulate various speakers and headphones. I use the NS10 emulator. It doesn’t name it that, but there’s a descriptor that says Japanese small Speaker, and the pic looks like ns10s
@humbertmedeiros9254
@humbertmedeiros9254 5 лет назад
Build a catalogue of reference mixes and listen to them ad infinitum through different volumes. Understand what a good mix sounds like on your headphone of choice.
@Projacked1
@Projacked1 5 лет назад
As a very experienced dj I can honestly say, leave them headphones rest for special occasions... I'm trying to save everyone from missing the pleasure of pure listening... Very nice video dude....
@GillesAndrea
@GillesAndrea 5 лет назад
is your console modulable? can you tell us more about it. it looks super cool. many thanks, have a great day
@xaosnox
@xaosnox 5 лет назад
I'd like to see you give this another go using NX and EQ curves calibrated they way mynoise.net's grey noise generator works. Hate to say it, cuz I'm not a fan of Waves in general and will never buy anything under their new licensing scheme, but NX and REAL calibration is the key to successful headphone mixing. You'll feel like your in a well treated room and get all the spacial separation and depth you were missing. You get used to just using only your ears and not your body for feedback really quickly. Been mixing on headphones for a while, and sets not even nearly as nice as those. A couple of weeks ago I heard about NX and discovered it came with a bundle I'd bought, but I needed to downgrade it for it to show up on my system. What a HUGE difference! It's a game changer. Sonarworks Reference is okay for flattening the hardware frequencies, but doesn't take your hearing into account. I found that running pink noise with your sound turned down fairly low, setting up 10-15 bands on a stereo EQ, soloing each band, and raising it until I could just hear the signal, was way better than any calibration software I've used. Especially since I could do this for each ear separately and for each device setup. With NX and that kind of EQ curve, you don't really need Sonarworks for your speakers or headphones. And with NX, you don't even need open back headphones, so you can mix anywhere without as much interference from environmental sounds or bothering the people around you. NX can even simulate 5.1 and 7.1 because it uses binaural technology. It has a mono version too, which makes it easy to check for phasing issues. It uses your head circumference and ear-to-ear measurements along with a head tracker with facial recognition so it can adjust the sound for the user and their movement. (I turn that feature off because I've got the camera on my Mac taped over. I don't want something watching me. Creeps me out! Then I'm always in the sweet spot no matter how I move, and that's fine with me. Some people want to be able to hear it from different angles, and it does a great job of doing this in real time.) You can adjust the speaker width and the room ambiance, too. Unfortunately, in typical Waves fashion, even if you turn head tracking off in the plugin, the stupid head tracking app will not go away, so you have to hide it or it keeps popping back up.) I hate to plug Waves, but they really did a good job with NX. It's one of their few plugins that isn't snake oil. The guys at Sonarworks are so nice, it pains me to say that Reference is snake oil, but, in it's current state, it is. They've put a lot of work into generating those average curves, but even the custom curves are useless because they don't adjust for the most important factor-your ears!
@wtssmaller
@wtssmaller 5 лет назад
Thanks I was just about to try NX + Sonarworks Reference. But should i make the EQ with NX being before or after the EQ or being off? I guess after?
@elmolewis9123
@elmolewis9123 3 года назад
Excellent video... so glad I found this.
@Wormi13
@Wormi13 5 лет назад
good video.. although you say you are missing highs on your sennheiser headphones - are you driving them with a good amp? I have the same headphones and never wanted more highs - driving them with Audio-GD Compass 2 dac amp
@brians3948
@brians3948 3 года назад
What i got from this video, besides the extensive work, was how important a hi hat is
@alexmagnifica
@alexmagnifica 3 года назад
If mix with headphones, the volume should be minimum to help your brain analyse objectively
@scottspaulding7965
@scottspaulding7965 5 лет назад
I use same set up but added a SPL head phone speaker management amp. system with cross talk. Made a huge difrance. Issue with headphones you don't get the left in right iright n left ear as you do with speakers. The SpL solved this for me and have done a lot of mixing in head phones with great results that translate to all listening environments and speakers . For me it was my only choice at the time becuse I did not have a treated room. Now I use both and feel the headphone setup is what I trust most. I dont known how he can spend little time with it and make any informative decistion . Mixing in head phones takes some getting use to but absolutely you can get you great results .
@alichamas63
@alichamas63 5 лет назад
Due to constraints I mix exclusively on headphones. Most of the time on Bose QCii because they are my listening headphones at work. I use Sonarworks for correction but I find the trick that helps me is to have Sonarworks turned on system wide when I listen to other music, so I learn how those dynamics and frequency responses sound by my targets. By getting used to how everything sounds on one headphone set it helps hear your own mixing choices better. It's not ideal I know but I have no space and do it for fun but Sonarworks helps flatten the EQ and being familiar with how other music sounds on them really helps understand how yours is.
@rhode6354
@rhode6354 5 лет назад
Mixing on headphones is always a trick. I use a pair of Audeze LCD-3s, and it took about a year to get used to the difference in imaging and level balancing. Now, I can bounce between the mains (S3Hs w/ matched Sub15) and the 'phones without an issue! For those looking to learn, be sure to monitor at low volumes on headphones (I usually go 50dB or so), and make sure your environment is quiet (obvious but very important). I also recommend open-back cans, as closed can distort the imaging and frequency balance.
@justinjaque7524
@justinjaque7524 3 года назад
Hehe, I produce, mix and master my own mixes on an M40X. Would loove to try doing such on speakers one day 🤔🤔
@kiddmike.official
@kiddmike.official 3 года назад
Bro, you been mixing on monitors "since you been doing this professionally" so I wouldn't expect that you would be able to mix in headphones, like some one that's been mixing on headphones for 5+ years. I use both (monitors and headphones, b ut honestly prefer my headphones) but many people can only make music on HP as thats what their situation allows, and a lot of that music is well balanced and well done.
@TheIgnoramus
@TheIgnoramus 2 года назад
This was a guaranteed fail in my opinion. Ive never known anyone to print a mix they were happy with without at least 3+ days. you aren't super human but appreciate the test helped a lot. going to rewatch on my pair of 650's when i get em.
@monsters8730
@monsters8730 5 лет назад
Kind of unrelated question about headphone sound signatures: when you do the final mix, do you account for what kind of headphones/speakers people will most likely use? I.e. if you expect them to listen on headphones with a v-shaped sound signature, do you compensate for that? Or do you make the mix flat, anyways?
@AGAU1022
@AGAU1022 4 года назад
Normal headphone drivers, including good expensive ones, physically cannot produce the lowest audible frequencies, not to mention the physical impact of sub-audible frequencies, just like small speakers physically can't do what a large subwoofer can. Software like sonarworks can create a relatively "flat" frequency response only up to the physical limits of the drivers.
@marcomoscoso7402
@marcomoscoso7402 3 года назад
I kinda spoiled my ears by mixing almost exclusively on headphones since the beginning of my mixing life because of low budget for speakers and particularly for my first Behringer monitors being a total failure and unreliable. Now I must endure the hard task of getting used to use my yamahas and headphones only for final mixdown :(
@patrickalphenaar
@patrickalphenaar 5 лет назад
A sound Engineer makes it sounds nice on the device and or environment working at, with the skills, talent, ears and perspective it has. The closer your environment will be to the absolute original sound source and thus just hearing what that file contains makes translation to all other devices balanced as its processed to a “Human” perspective Flat Response. A general flat frequency response however doesnt say anything about Stereo Image and or Energy “feel” and emotional involvement. I stopped using Room Correction software for that reason, and tweaked the room more and more step by step, To have a more natural balanced and closer to the source sounding room. Unfortunally my personal mixing skills are way lacking! Got to keep learning! Cheers and nice vid!
@qauau
@qauau Год назад
Hi and thanks for your always great and insightful videos! If I understood you correctly, Sonarworks has calibrated the amlitude responses (frequency response FR) of your monitor loudspeakers as well as of your Sennheiser HD 650 headphones. For loudspeakers, a linear FR optimization typically is the neutral target curve. For over-ear headphones, however, the "Harman target" is the target FR which strongly differs from the linear loudspeaker FR target. The reason is the the outer and inner ear transfer function in combination with the headphones closing the ears (even with open back headphones like the HD 650). So, headphones have to be tuned and calibrated in a completely different way. Else you get completely different (certainly wrong) impressions and mixing/mastering results with headphones. Did Sonarworks take Harman target into consideration? Thanks and Cheers, Werner
@gmrossi7863
@gmrossi7863 5 лет назад
Before Sonarworks put goodhertz canopener studio... crossfeed, ecc you can do a great job with this chain
@ravithompson1082
@ravithompson1082 5 лет назад
That's the answer
@Jg-be7it
@Jg-be7it 3 года назад
I find that going back and fourth between my monitors and headphones for reference works best for me.
@theswedishmusicstudio
@theswedishmusicstudio 5 лет назад
Mixing on headphones is the same as mixing on speakers in regards to getting used to it. Its like moving from your studio to another studio, with totally different speakers and room. Takes time and experience. I heard someone say it takes like 3 months to get acqainted with new speakers. ;) or was that clarinets.. i dont remember. But anyway. I stopped using sonarworks because i listen on my headphones a lot to get the feeling of how its suppose to sound. And then sonarworks is changing how my headphones behave and nulls all those hours of listening to good mixes. I use Focal Listen Professional which is both closed and easy to drive for an iphone. But i also use BD 880 pro, focal sprit pro, akg k66 and apple and bose earbuds that replaced the auratone experience for me. One pair of headphones is just good up to a point. I also feel i need to pause more on headphones. I cant mix with the tracks running. Then my ears lasts 10 minutes. Also referencing is much more crucial on headphones because of this. The ears get used to the frequencies faster since they dont change when moving the head around. My 5 cents on the matter anyway. Been mixing on headphones for years and just three years back got a good enough studio room to be helped and not crushed by the monitors! :) Good video! Thanks a lot!!
@equivocator7727
@equivocator7727 5 лет назад
I have to do the majority of my work on headphones because of the noise level of where I'm working. I only very occasionally get to use my monitors effectively, so I tend to bounce back and forth. Like you mentioned, the hardest thing about mixing with headphones is balancing the low end. My mixes usually start out with way too much low-end, and not enough highs. I find my car stereo to be the perfect test for this kind of balancing, because even my monitors don't really do anything below 50hz very well (or maybe I just don't know what to expect from using headphones most of the time).
@HyperNova137
@HyperNova137 5 лет назад
Absolute noob here, and my first year of producing my own music with headphones and then finally upgrading to monitors gave me the exact same impression; Things weren't glued together properly, bass was always too loud, vocals were a bit drowned out, and whenever I went back to try and fix a problem I would always end up overcompensating and somehow making it worse. I spent months trying to iron out all those problems in a 45-minute album of meditation music that I was writing for a youtube video (which means I wasn't even dealing with the extra hassle of mixing drums), but after getting a pair of Kali Audio LP6's I finally got everything nailed down pretty quickly. A lot of mistakes were my own fault, and simply part of the learning process, but from now on I'll be using my headphones mainly as an extra reference, and finalizing everything on monitors.
@rockboy360
@rockboy360 5 лет назад
After 2 years of reading and practicing with RU-vid tutorials, I produced and mixed my band's first single entirely on CONSUMER headphones and testing on every headphone pair I had, a boombox, the home stereo system and a car, it's a rock song and I think I got pretty far for what I used. (I spent 2 months though, since this was my first "professional" work ever, and done with such shitty gear) (Instruments were tracked live with no click, Real amps + real drums with MINOR sample augmentation on kick and snare way below the real tracks) The biggest issues were obviously the low frequencies so I sent the track for analog stem mastering, so they could be taken care of by a pro in a well treated studio. So I rendered my instrument groups as Drums, guitars, bass and vocals, 4 tracks. The sound was already shaped the way I wanted, so the mastering engineer would only fix minor details in any of my group tracks. It's definitely far from perfect, but I still got in the ballpark, the mastering engineer told me my mix was pretty solid (specially for being my first), and didn't have a hard time mastering it. My conclusion is: it may not be ideal, but it CAN BE DONE. (but usually takes much longer) This is the final result: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ye2YzXNnD_8.html
@RodrigoLana
@RodrigoLana 2 года назад
Se você mixa só em monitores, obviamente terá dificuldade de mixar com fones. No vídeo fica claro a sua dificuldade de mixar com o fone e não que o fone é bom ou ruim. Como diz Andrew Scheps "basta acostumar com a sonoridade do fone". Isso você não conseguirá mixando pela primeira vez com o fone ou mesmo com monitor. A propósito, adoro o som do HD650 sem a calibragem e considero perfeito para mix e master. abraços
@BlackenedNL
@BlackenedNL 5 лет назад
Wytse thank you for the effort in this video!! This truly is quality content Also I really want the Stam 1176 Rev A now
@bobwrotenstien315
@bobwrotenstien315 5 лет назад
How'd you get Reaper to show the track controls in the track item?
@_JohnnySav
@_JohnnySav 5 лет назад
After watching the full video, I think this would be great with Waves NX Virtual Mix Room plugin!!!!!
@PitchAccurate
@PitchAccurate 5 лет назад
Greaat job! Interesting test. Thank you
@mwdiers
@mwdiers 5 лет назад
I think that the missing component in mixing with headphones is introducing proper crossfeed. With monitors you hear both monitors with both ears, so the stereo image is not artificially enhanced as it is on headphones. For this I use GoodHerz Canopener after Sonarworks. Together they sound so much like I'm listening to monitors, that I sometimes forget I have cans on.
@panickedrobert
@panickedrobert 4 года назад
After you said that you have last mixed in headphones 9 years ago (by the making of this video), it was obvious what's going to happen in the end. What I'm sayin is that you're going to have some problems with the low end and how you managed it, some leveling, etc. I mix and listed only in headphones and I'm so used to them as you are to your speakers, not much of a question of what was going to happend, but a funny and interesting video to watch, haha! Like your content.
@DJSNT
@DJSNT 5 лет назад
One way you can get an idea for the mix that includes the room modes of you particular space, as well as the response profile of your particular drivers and enclosures, although, it requires the know-how and the equipment accompanied by a Convolver in your DAW and an Impulse Response generated with the software listed below and the required RTA mic. This can be achieved by using a relatively inexpensive RTA microphone and R.E.W. (Room EQ Wizard). Using the software and the RTA (Post Calibration) mounted at the primary listening position will allow you to measure the speakers and environment to generate an Impulse Response which can be imported into most DAW's convolver and placed on the Master Channel. This can be used to A/B between Dry Headphones and Simulated response of the Room and Speakers being used. This is also a process that can be accomplished at maximum to minimum volume levels to bring out difference characteristics in sound caused by the aforementioned volume changes. I stumbled upon this technique while designing Speaker/ Subwoofer enclosures within HornResp which allows the export of an Impulse Response of the simulated enclosure and speaker response. [R.E.W. Download] www.roomeqwizard.com/#downloads [R.E.W. Impulse Response Tutorial] www.roomeqwizard.com/help/help_en-GB/html/impulseresponse.html
@silectahjoseph1567
@silectahjoseph1567 5 лет назад
i wish i can have your ears!!! man!!!
@williamfoster4883
@williamfoster4883 4 года назад
46:27 reminds me why I mix in the box... putting my fingers on real hardware knobs is fun, but things like this ruin it!
@cooldaze57
@cooldaze57 5 лет назад
Thanks for all this work. This video was very instructive.
@martintan7332
@martintan7332 4 года назад
imo the bitcrusher noise on the annoying synth is super inharmonic and abrasive
@ChrisdeHaan
@ChrisdeHaan 5 лет назад
Every time I’ve mixed on headphones it turns out muddied and flat on speakers.
@tom_k_d
@tom_k_d 5 лет назад
I had the same issue until I switched to Beyerdynamic DT880 - my experience: You need very flat cans for mixing, while for cleaning up the tracks / editing it's fine to use something like Sony MDR7506 with its right-in-your-face sound. For mixing though, this tends to result in dull mixes. Not so with the DT880 however, which at first glance sounds boring and flat compared to something like the Sony.
@xaosnox
@xaosnox 5 лет назад
@@tom_k_d Those Sony's are awful for mixing. They're pretty much just awful. The most over rated cans in the industry, IMO. I like the DT880 a lot, too. The Sennheiser HD 600 blow the DT880 away for mixing, though. Have you ever used them? They are great. But I've actually gotten used to using closed back headphones. I know, everyone is gonna scream that you can't do that, but I have found they actually have a lot of advantages. You just have to get used to them. All I know is that I just did some stuff in the box with headphones, for an NDA job, and I ended up having to tweak all the files my client had done on his end because their client liked the tracks I did a lot better. This guy did everything on a Neve console with mostly analog gear, and I was using a borrowed UAD Apollo MKII, UAD, FabFilter, and Brainworx plugins with my $100 headphones (calibrated) for monitors.
@tom_k_d
@tom_k_d 5 лет назад
Haha yes the MDR7506 are pretty crisp - they are not first choice for mixing, but hard to beat for monitoring of location recording since they are easy to drive (no need for a specific headphone preamp, they work well with typical mobile recording devices, cameras) and you can hear every little distracting thing (noisy fans...) loud and clear, so you are able to fix it before recording instead of finding out later in post... that's where they gained their fame - movie location recording. Plus, I love them to cross check a final mix: If it sounds good on the Sonys, too, you can be sure your mix is not too crisp / agressive sounding ;) ... Not a big fan of the Sennheisers so far, but I do not own them, just listened through them once in a while - I will re-check them, thanks! For closed ones: DT770 (250 Ohms), but they need a decent amp.
@Slunqmusic
@Slunqmusic 5 лет назад
I found the same problems with mixing on headphones. I can get MOST of the way there using Beyer DT1770 (not 770).
@ChrisdeHaan
@ChrisdeHaan 5 лет назад
Anybody try Sennheiser HD280Pro?
@ceephaxx
@ceephaxx 5 лет назад
Something to do with the way our brains accommodate/spot mistakes? I often spot minor errors in hard copy documents that I totally missed trying to proof them on-screen. I can't come up with a logical reason for this!
@feieralarm
@feieralarm 5 лет назад
The reason that it's hard, to say the least, to mix on headphones is the lack of crossfeed. Meaning your right ear hearing stuff from the left channel and your left ear from the right channel. I have an SPL Phonitor that has a pretty damn good crossfeed simulation, and while it's not quite like on speakers, I don't want to miss it anymore.
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