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Mixmaster vs. Old School? I Slice Evolution | After Hours 

Alex Barham
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Are old school whitewater play boats better for slicing than the modern versions like the Pyranha Ozone, Jackson Kayak Mixmaster, and the Liquid Logic Homeslice? Depends on what you are looking for!
Although splats, squirts and cartwheels are coming into style now, it isn't the first time reckless verticality took over the whitewater kayaking world. Despite online garage sales being full of retro-rocker favorites like the Wavesport Xxx and the Dagger Ultrafuge, Liquidlogic and Jackson Kayaks have offered new versions of the 90s style boats. The question for most is what's changed in 20 years. Is the modern outfitting worth it?
Yes, there is a lot of sentimental value to pulling out an old school boat, I am still collecting a few myself, but the outfitting from the 90s and early 2000s is horrible. So first thing first you'll be getting a much more comfortable boat with modern outfitting. Modern whitewater kayaks are also made with superior plastics which are lighter and perform better than the aged plastics found in old school boats.
Going beyond material differences, the Pyranha Ozone, Liquid Logic Homeslice and Jackson Mixmaster also feature modern designs that have much more rocker than old school boats which were focused more on surfing than playing on steep creeks. Moreover the Pyranha Ozone has a modern surf hull similar to the Pyranha Jed which might make the Ozone the best wave surfing slicey boat ever.
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Key Words: Whitewater, White Water, Kayak, Kayaking, Raft, Rafting, Canoe, River, Adventure, Extreme, Dagger Kayaks, Wavesport Kayaks, Perception Kayaks, Jackson Kayaks, Jackson Adventures,

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Комментарии : 31   
@mckayandersen5858
@mckayandersen5858 5 лет назад
Super interesting video! I’ve been pondering whether to get a new slicey boat, keep paddling the old Glide. Thanks a bunch!
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
Demo for sure, but if you've got something already that is working well that's hard to argue with.
@DiscosVideos
@DiscosVideos 5 лет назад
Any chance you can do a caparison with another new old school slicey boat? The LL Homeslice looks fun too. Curious how they do head to head.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
Perhaps. I'm certainly considering it. Won't be immediate though.
@Hakudog5
@Hakudog5 4 года назад
Shoulda done a Homeslice.... Shane Bennedict was the designer of the Mr. Clean so it would have been a cool study of the design evolution.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 4 года назад
Who said it was too late?
@johnrflinn
@johnrflinn 3 года назад
It this is old school, I'm not sure what you would call my fiberglass kayak from 1971. Not a rock scraper, you had to run the class 4's clean or it would get a slash. So much technique has evolved in 50 years. It is still in great shape with a new paint job and fiberglass repairs hiding it's battle scars.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 3 года назад
There are certainly some militant old farts claiming that a 20 year old boat isn't old. I would say something in glass from the 70s is an antique, and a plastic pre-curser to modern designs is old school.
@johnrflinn
@johnrflinn 3 года назад
@@AlexBarham People in glass boats shouldn't throw rocks, but we do try to avoid them.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 3 года назад
Fantastic word play
@chadrides914
@chadrides914 5 лет назад
Cool insight and banter about new vs old boats. I’ve got a Cross River 125 Liquid Logic that I have yet to paddle. Do you know anything about these boats? I think it’s a 2003 model. There isn’t hardly any info about them at all online.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
Thanks man! Not going to mince words - those were pretty terrible. Also I think they were a 2006-2008 model
@chadrides914
@chadrides914 5 лет назад
Alex Barham yeh about the only info I could garner about it was that the square stern on the 125’s made them a sob to roll for most people.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
@@chadrides914 they came out at the end of the tri-hull butt bouncer fad of playboating. It's big brothers are the Vision and Space Cadet. As with all of these river-running play boats all the cool was sucked out of the boat and they basically turned a sports car into a 4 door sedan grocery-getter.
@chadrides914
@chadrides914 5 лет назад
Alex Barham copy that! I’m a new paddler so maybe I’ll just beat the snot out of it in flooded ditches around here and find something different if I get bored.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
That is a perfect use for it. If something is going to be boring and easy then pull out the CR.
@mckayandersen5858
@mckayandersen5858 5 лет назад
I don't know if I just missed it on another video. What is MountainMan?
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
Mountainman is one of the largest paddlesports retail shops in the USA- mountainmanoutdoors.com
@mckayandersen5858
@mckayandersen5858 5 лет назад
@@AlexBarham Cool!
@eyestepback
@eyestepback 3 месяца назад
I have a bliss stick that I'm struggling to outfit.
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 3 месяца назад
Parts: www.amazon.com/shop/alexbarham/list/3LBYUE3YLIM4G Video Guides: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LWnXTtfVPVM.html
@michaelmcclain6899
@michaelmcclain6899 5 лет назад
Any chance you could weigh these boats against a Pyranha Loki?
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
Maybe, but with none handy don't expect it too soon
@markjohnson4553
@markjohnson4553 2 года назад
@@AlexBarham A loki video would be sick!!
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 2 года назад
Noted. Still the same answer lol
@kendallrussell5460
@kendallrussell5460 5 лет назад
MOOOOOOOOSE!!!!!
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 5 лет назад
It's almost release season again!
@sticksstones8498
@sticksstones8498 3 года назад
I've got an old perception spin and a couple pyranha inaZone kayaks that are full slice. As well as a wave sport designed by EJ. None of which i know how to use... Lol Seriously. I am always in training mode. Fun fun fun. Serious safety issues
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 3 года назад
Find a good crew and go play in a safe environment until you can take it somewhere more dynamic!
@chicklechives
@chicklechives 3 года назад
Playak for old school website with old school boat info
@AlexBarham
@AlexBarham 3 года назад
Playak is a time capsule that I hope manages to stay online for a long time. Unfortunately the reviews are old and can be iffy when compared to our current standards of performance and comfort
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