I'm going to view one this weekend. 3 door, manual, Lapiz Blue, DCC, Dynaudio, leather, winter pack, keyless, rear camera. 65 plate with 10 VW stamps just under 30k miles. Clutch replaced at 13k. The private seller is asking a strong price IMO but I guess that's what I've gotta pay these days. Thanks for another great video, will be checking for a few of these!
I bought a 65 Plate Golf R, I bought it from a independent dealer unseen as they were over 300 miles away (I did get a family member to look on my behalf he said it looked very clean) but he didn’t really look close enough. Chose is as it had Pano Roof, Vienna Leather, Pretoria’s, Lapiz Blue. Full VW Service history and One Owner (who was 85!). Car was delivered with an ACC fault, Bad wheel Bearing and the washer fluid (headlight jet) was leaking. A few weeks later there was an oil leak from the engine. Fortunately the garage held their hands up and paid out about £1200 in repairs! I then realised even though it was full VW service history it had never had a haldex oil change on 66000 miles! Now there’s a knocking sound when the clutch pedal is released, and I’ve noticed the rear quarter panel had been resprayed at some point. I now pay £40 a month for a VW Extended warranty, just buy carefully!
I’m looking at getting a VW extended warranty on a 2017 golf r. Just curious to know have you ever had to use them? Mine had the haldex serviced 3 half years ago so I’ve booked the Haldex to be done. If my haldex system breaks is it likely to be covered as the service is over due?
10. App Connect compatibility (Apple Carplay, Android Auto) 9. 2017 upgrades (heated seats) 8. Check the tires! 7. Beware damaged Pretoria wheels! Examine them before purchase and take wheels off after. 6. Stolen & Recovered? Check theft history via HPI footprint. 5. Check for prior remaps. Get dealer to state in writing that it hasn't been remapped. 4. Paintwork. Paint chips easily, may have factory defects. Check bonnet and behind wheels. 3. Service history. Check to see if Haldex oil has been changed. 2. Clutch (manual). Check for clutch slip. Quality waning. 1. Coolant module leaks. Very common and expensive. "Spicy" smell after a spirited drive.
A very eye opening review. We perceive certain brands have a reputation for quality build & engineering based on their products from some years back which is not justified in their current products. Porsche with their water cooled M96 & 97 engines being a classic example. The advent of the PCP while good for retailers casts a shadow over buying any performance car second hand even an "Approved Used" from a franchise dealer. I suppose I am from a generation who bought a car with their own money/personal loan. It was "my car" which I intended to keep for some time & so looked after it both in driving style & maintenance. These days, people who in the past could never afford a new performance BMW, VW/Audi, can for some £400 pm get themselves cars worth over £30k for 2 years motoring. In the knowledge it is not & never will be "their car" they are not going to keep to a running in period, let the engine oil warm up before giving it higher revs, drive up kerbs, carrying out remaps without telling the lease company etc. RU-vid is full of channels fronted by young men in M140i's, 240i's & Golf R's that are basically abused for 2 years. You wouldn't want to go anywhere near a former PCP vehicle.
Absolutely spot on my friend , i had this car on my short list of my new secondhand cars , and just like you i buy cars outright and look -after them well , so glad i watched this video ?🙄
Great review for anyone looking at MK7 golf R. My 2015 DSG R is going strong after 107,000kms (62,000 miles) did have the water pump replaced other than that it hasn’t missed a beat. If you are considering one of these performance cars you must be prepared to put the correct synthetic oil I use Liqui Moly engine oil 5-40w and change the DSG and haldex fluid every couple of years according to the schedule. Find a great euro mechanic and enjoy the drive.
Great to hear from a high mileage owner Adam! My VW tech said they are pretty good apart from the common relatively minor issues. As you say good servicing is key and sometimes the owners are to blame for this not happening not VW. 👍
Good review video, the car has a few common issues but generally a great all rounder. Guys on the forums always say check the water pump as it always goes and do a launch to check the haldex is working or needs a service. If you pick up one with Cadiz alloys then you can get Pretoria replicas for half the price and stronger than oem Had mine 2 years and had 0 issues
I have a mk7.5 golf r and it had a coolant leak at 2 years old and 14k miles. Very good advice mate! Still love the car. I also keep all modification paper work for when I intend to sell it in 10 years 😋
Good informative video. I purchased my Golf R in June 2014 (ordered Jan 2014). I ticked a few boxes in the options list, sunroof, DSG, leather, reversing camera etc.. overall I am really pleased with the car and I like the ‘Q’ car aspect as it’s not so in your face as a Honda Type R for example. Only issue I have had with the car was with the rear disc brake. After parking the car I noticed a heat haze coming from the rear nearside wheel. On inspection I could see the friction material from the rear pad had separated from the metal backing plate and was firmly wedged between the calliper and the rear disk. The car was only six months old so still under warranty. I spoke with the dealership and asked them to collect the car for repair as I did not want to drive the car with the rear brake pad wedged where it was. Their answer was they don’t collect cars and I must drive it there! I did drive there, very steadily I must add, and I gave the service reception guy some major grief in asking me drive the car in. VW replaced the pads and rear disk (both sides) as the nearside disk was very badly scored by the pad material. Overall I would give the R 9 out of 10.
I just sold a Saab 9-3 Turbo X, which I think was the first car to have a Haldex unit. The service intervals on those was reduced too, no more than 30k miles or every three years at most. I'm in the market for a mk7 R at the moment, luckily here in Australia they don't get stolen too much; WRXs and Ford/Holden V8s on the other hand....
Seems like a good set of tips. I've owned a 2014 manual since new. It's got just shy of 14000 miles on it (I live in London and, well, public transport). The clutch has just started to slip, and yes, it's low revs / high gears that show it up the most. The water's also started to go down. I've topped it up but it's going down again. Pretoria wheels were a bad choice. You on;y need to look at a pot hole and they will buckle. Real PITA. If the standard ones weren't so ugly I would have gone for them. I don't have Android auto or anything and I've not been too bothered TBH. The standard Sat Nav is fine, although I only ever really use it to show the ETA. I usually know where I'm going. Overall I've been pretty happy. Yes, I'm probably about to spend a grand and a half on it getting it fixed up, but on the whole it's been a cheap car to run. I added most extras when I bought it, apart from the sunroof (I had a TT convertible at the time too), rear camera (not really necessary) and the uprated sat nav. Paid £30k. Thinking of replacing it, as it's a bit small for a family of 4 (had 1st baby on the way when I bought it). But I'm struggling to find a suitable replacement especially as most cars are bloody autos now. Yawn.
Excellent advice and content Andrew. When you scratch below the surface, it would appear that VW need to up their game somewhat in terms of components and quality control. Trading on heritage is all well and good to a point, but consumers aren't stupid. Hope you and yours are keeping well and safe in these testing times. Thanks again and take care.
Thanks for commenting Darren as ever! It's a pity as 7R is actually pretty robust but a bit of penny pinching on 2 key components and it ruins the rest of the car. The paint I can live with but the leak and clutch make being a dealer in these a bit like russian roulette but with 5 bullets not 1 :) Thanks for your concern and best wishes to you and yours too, stay safe.
Thanks Andrew, great video, clutches in the MK 7 are I feel built down to a price, just about okay if treated gently, however they wont tolerate hard driving, and on a 300ps car that is pointless.
As someone who has to do work on these as lease cars, most were leased as part of salary packages so no care needed as the repair cost picked up by the company,the driver won't care his new toy is already on order. Often sevices missed/ well passed due date. DSG and Haldex oil changes often missed as a cost cutting measure ( the next owner after being sold can have that done...). DSG oil changed when problems, usually black, when new oil put in problems magnified the garage blamed for f*******g the box, very few garages will change the oil,.Spark plug changes missed. Lots of Haldex units not working correctly, do not get fobbed off " its a wheel speed sensor " it isnt. Cheapest tyres possible. Most wheels buckled / distorted. Front shocks weeping. Rear calipers seize with monotonous regularity ( Euro Car Parts ) keep plenty in stock. Check front bumper for fibre glass repair,look underneath to see attatchment and fit, pattern parts are crap for lining up. The cars get stuffed so often as the driver runs out of talent. Paint is poor. The engine manifold flaps go wrong, the timing chain hydraulic tensioner goes weak, tensioner guides break, the chain jumps.....valves meet pistons. The water pump fails The media/navigation goes wrong although sometimes this can be fixed by disconnecting the unit for 10 mins and it self resets, but it will go wrong again software problems. I feel sorry for some young kids who come in and have saved like mad taken a loan out bought a car then problems appear they may have warranty but £500 goes nowhere, we diagnose then tell them the cost. Without exception they say I bought it because VW's are reliable... VW reliability vanished around 2007/8.
That's the issue with buying ex lease vehicles most will have been driven hard with the owner knowing they are going back in 3 years time.The market was flooded with cheap attractive finance deals. When the time comes for it to go back it will end up at auction and most go down hill from there. When it comes to servicing its the same approach cheap parts inc servicing and tyres missed service actions etc etc. Anyone with a laptop seems to be into "tuning" and remaps now and who really knows what map is on a car your buying
Between the weak clutch and crank walk issues, I would not recommend a manual version of this car. A lot of folks were worried about reliability of the DSG long term with all the added complexity, but oddly enough the DSG cars tend to be far more reliable.
Good video with good advice👌, There have been several revisions of the thermostat housing, the latest P/N is 06L-121-111-M, the number can be seen from above with a torch and inspection mirror by looking through the intake manifold on the UK drivers side, the last letter (M in this case) is hard to see as it is marked differently than the rest of the P/N, it is NOT the water pump that leaks, it is the thermostat housing that fails at a plastic welded seam just below the thermostat itself, most will only ever have a minor leak that doesn’t ever get worse and just needs topping up over time, and most will never drop any visible water as it evaporates first, the way to tell for sure is to remove the under tray and look up at the housing for signs of scum that looks like limescale around immediate vicinity of the leak, most will pass a pressure test as the leak is so small and the dealer doesn’t leave it pressurised for long enough! Also the position of the thermostat (open or closed) at the time of test seems to play a part in the result. Huge knowledge base for MK7 here - golfmk7.com/forums/index.php
Thanks CarlosFandango, great info. I know the pump and stat are separate parts but the INA aftermarket part is one unit and cheaper than VW, I paid under £200 recently. On that leaking one, there seemed to be a pressure relief hole that it was leaking through near the thermostat wiring plug, looked like an internal seal had failed though I didn't spend too much time investigating but someone on a forum had leak from there and put it down to that.
Why are these cars so popular for theft in the UK? I have one and in the US no one looks twice at it. Most likely to get carjacked in some over $100k Range Rover, Benz, Porsche etc.
@@jmahtab in the U.K. we have a different road layout to the US. In the US, most of your roads are in a grid layout. In the U.K. we have a lot of twisting country roads and twisting roads in towns and cities. So in the real world here, a golf r will be a lot faster than a M3 as it can handle a lot easier. So these get knicked a lot for joy rides and getaway vehicles for other crimes.
It’s usually the DSG versions that gets looked at the most by thieves cause the last thing you want to do in a police chase, is fiddling with the Manuel gears, no matter how good you are at changing gears, nothing beats an DSG gearbox whilst being chased or in a quick getaway. Manuel versions are usually ignored, and if you’re really paranoid, add a steering wheel lock. My mates has a Manuel mk7 R and he lives in a rough estate, has a steering lock and no one has touched it or even looked at it for the past 4 years he’s owned it.
@@volkswizard bought our twins a Golf R each for their 21st. Lots of quality issues including most thing mentioned in the video. Luckily, they're both 3rd year apprentice service techs with Jaguar Land Rover so have the means to get stuff sorted. One going into the body shop tomorrow to have rust spots fixed on the bonnet (result of stone chips). Car has only covered 22k miles.
Great video and thank you Andrew for this! I had just moved from a GTD to an R when I saw this and realised at the time it wasn’t the car to keep 👍 It did have what I thought completely shot clutch plates and had been quietly chipped so it wheelspun a lot. Basically the car was abused and not as it should have been. Further to your video I realised it was right to return within 14 days and best decision ever. Now have a very nice Lapiz Blue DSG on a VW 2 year warranty with leather and pan roof and its a fantastic car with the MIB2 system as a late 2016! Thank you so much for your advice! 😊 I’ve seen someone has recently taxed the previous car. Unless they were happy to spend thousands they are in for a shock!
I totally agree that VW quality has gone down the pan! I bought a polo new in 2014 thinking I was paying for good quality and reliability only to have several parts fail when they really shouldn't. ONE example was the front discs had to be replaced, warped and pitted after 12K miles, pads were only half worn! Go figure?!? I drive/brake carefully, the discs must be chocolate too! They would not replace under warranty because they were a 'wearable item' You can't prove to them that you haven't been doing rally stages like Colin McRae 🤣 I'm sure I recall my dads high mileage Volvo estate from the 80's never having to replace the discs, only pads which is the correct way round you would expect although he has a pretty new Volvo now and it's quality isn't very good either, I think all modern cars have gone like this unfortunately. Needless to say that was my first and LAST VW. Awesome content by the way 👍
I think these make amazing rentals or hire purchase. I would be wary of one a few years old to own privately though, unless it was low miles, well kept one.
Always had in my mind that I would love a R over my Fist ST3 Stage 1. I've had it since new and love it, it might not have the same power of a R but I bet I have better piece of mind, after watching this video I am glad I've never made the jump. Good video, thanks 👍
Trust me make the jump!! I went from a 317bhp focus st3 to a golf r and loved everything about it. I tuned it to 380bhp and would be glued to m3s no problem. I moved on to a competition m3 with 583bhp but miss the r all the time
Great video. Hopefully the next gen comes with a front diff. Which would transform it into the pinnacle of hot hatches. Standard in early 90’s jdm cars but still considered a special option in Europe.
I had a mk 4 tdi 190k miles no clutch issues...then bought 2nd hand mk5 tdi and dual mass flywheel disintegrated. Apparently common and often happens when people tow. I had to replace clutch with third party reinforced flywheel and got reconditioned gearbox. So weak clutch in R might scare me off!
Great review. I’ve just changed to an new Sport Edition RS3 and have my 09/17 mk 7.5 for sale for £20.6k with 19k miles, manual, VW warranty, full VW Service history, blue, dynaudio, heated front screen, and new Michelin tyres. It’s only been owned by me and in immaculate condition. It’s been a brilliant car, reliable, great handling. In Suffolk so low risk area.
Make sure you get a pre WLTP 7.5 R, the post WLTP have done away with the port injectors so it is only direct injection now, this means you will have significant carbon build up on the inlet valves and inlet manifold as early as 30k. You also get 10hp more and don't have an exhaust particulate filter to worry about on the exhaust with 7.5 pre WLTP.
Great video and insight into such a popular hottish hatch Andrew including some interesting driving lol 😝 and as these cars come out of lease deals and warranty I’m assuming some relative bargains likely I’d assume? I’d only get out of my RS265 if I wanted an auto and a better ride and currently my commute is usually 26 km cross country on B and C roads and my priorities are secure road holding and overtaking power so never say never but I’d want a 7.5 in a bold colour :) or a S3 :)
They've held their price amazingly well. I think VW UK have managed the resale of the lease cars very carefully, making sure nothing sold too cheaply at auction. So not a particular bargain TBH. Unless you want Turmeric yellow on an R, best off looking for an S3 in an Audi Exclusive colour like Viper green as it was only the £2k or so stopping buyers from choosing a bold colour. In UK, it's the standard range of colours only with VW, very different in Germany as the pic of the GTI at end of vid shows, that's Rising blue, a Mk6 colour!
I purchased a mountune stage 1 kit for my mk7 manual golf r and immediately had clutch slip on acceleration between 4/5 gears. I then mapped back to standard and no clutch slip. Would like to fit a sach clutch but would probably need a new flywheel and am looking at another £1500.
The manual R clutch is very weak mine started to slip at 18k was looking at the sachs clutch but they can have a on off feel so i went for a helix clutch and sachs flywheel and feels amazing and only a little heavier and very quiet, they say it can take stage 3 around 1100 pound and 450 to fit. All this and id only had the car a month. Good luck
@@garyfrancis8157 yes mate its organic and from aks tuning.. Clutch with flywheel and braided clutch line £1,059.00 i just gave them a call to make sure the correct kit came as they have so many 01234 822324
Great video mate. Really informative. Just bought a 6C Polo GTI 25k miles. Clutch slips in 6th with a racechip installed, removed it and all is good. It’s probably going to slip stock soon. Thinking of a Sachs clutch, do you know if these feel stock. I’m told organic is the one to go for. Love your vids. Stay safe.
Thanks Sam! Not sure I've ever driven an R etc with the Sachs clutch but I do think they will feel pretty normal so don't worry about it feeling tricky. Funnily enough 6C GTI has the EA888 with all the same issues as R mechanically. I do know of one that had a clutch early on. TBH it's not such an issue on 2WD so you might be OK if it's stock and you don't slip the clutch too much but if you want it mapped then you know what to do 👍
I read online that the early 2014 R is suffering from turbo problems. Would you say it's worse than it looks or is this a real problem? Also someone mentioned that the fuel line from the rail to the HPFP can also wear on the inside?
Thanks, Andrew. I suppose some of those things may crop up in the S3 too? (Hope not!) Are we going to get a video about the nice S1 in the background??
Your video's are class mate! I'm an absolute Audi fanatic and have been since I was a wee kid. I'm 21 and can afford to get my second car. I've always had my heart set on an Audi but I just can't see past the TCR GTI just now. S3's are really common and the styling isn't as eye-catching as the TCR. Seeing as you'll have driven both, which would you recommend? Thanks P.s I've got a Polo just now and have had it since I was 16 so I know the quality you get from a VW hence it would be the only make which stands a chance of pulling me away from an Audi. The Golf R is too plain and you see it everywhere so I don't really want one of them.
No hesitation, TCR all day long, still my favorite Mk7/7.5 and there are some bargains out there. Just spec it right, DCC or Performance Pack as a bear minimum. Mk7.5 is pretty sorted too. Enjoy it!
Great point about the remap, my Mk7 R estate has been remapped with APR by myself, but I wouldnt buy one that has already been remapped. Still waiting for the coolant leak on my late 2017 model pre MK7, 5 😒
In Florida, almost no one recognizes the high performance capabilities of this car - it looks like a generic Golf with few visual cues that indicate otherwise. Once in a long while, a fellow enthusiast will recognize it and ask about it. That's why I don't worry much about it being stolen (and I've had my MK7 over 5 years). Finally, my best theft-deterrent is the manual transmission - most (younger) car thieves can't drive a manual.
Very different situation here in the UK, specifically London, this car gets stolen on a daily. The ones here are high powered and often remapped and modded
Hi would be really interested in a Mk7 write up on GTD , is it worth buying a later 7.5? Would you recommend Dsg box compared to manual ? I am a real VW enthusiasts, I have had Mk1,2,3,5,6 golfs as well as other VWs, currently had a mk 6 gt tdi for last 6 years & a self converted Kombi / camper late T5, however thinking of replacing my mk6 work horse with a mk 7 gtd hence me asking your opinions. Love your channel and find the vids really good and very well done so any advice on gtd would be appreciated Thanks again
I have a golf mk7, 2014. The memory for the automatic window on the driver side keeps getting lost. How can I set this? Also when I put the car in reverse the side mirrors on both sides does net tilt down. I've confirmed on the settings this function is on. Please advise. Thanks
Love the vid mate!! Hopefully will get one of these in the not too distant future! There's a bloke that lives near me and his driveway is full of performance Volkswagens! 69 plate golf R same as this one, Polo GTI and a Gold GTI all brand new! Think he works for Volkswagen?! 🤣 Tempted to go ask him for his input when it comes to getting one! Even at this point I'm torn between an R or a GTI. What would you recommend mate?
It's tricky as it's a very subjective choice. Taking bias out of the equation (there are very strong views on this exact question often by people who haven't driven both or quote 0-60 times saying the R is better because it's quicker), if you asked a random poll of motoring journalists, most would say GTI as would I. Check out my "Why GTI TCR beats Golf R" video and see if I can convince you👍
@@volkswizard Thank you for this! I feel like with the GTI it also has that heritage that comes along with it. The red accents and tartan seats make it look and feel more special (again subjective as you rightly said) but taking into account what you're saying and the overview of opinions from other motoring journalists that could sway it for me. After all, a quality stage 1 remap and you could boast some similar performance figures I'd imagine. Of course you minus the all wheel drive but I think it's a case of win some lose some! I'll head over and check that video out now! Thank you, mate and new sub from me!
Hello I have a golf 7 gti with this stop start thing thinking of getting the 7 r does it have the stop start because it is a pain by the way great vid thanks
Great video, very informative. How do you find oil usage? Could it be point 11? I currently have a 2016 octavia vrs petrol 220 which i would say was a little thirsty with oil (no blue smoke) and am looking to get into a Golf R estate come car change time. I know its basically the same engine (ea888).
No1 VCDS CHECK number OF LAUNCH CONTROL!!! 🤬 No2 CHACK PAINT thickness you can do it in every paint shop or just buy instrument online for 30 euro ( Instrument is size of mobile phone and need to show 0.90 - 120 all other you know car was crash and make new paint job) This tips save me from original VW shop who wona sell me crash car for new demo car..
Find it interesting you decide to go with a club sport GTI instead of the mk8 R I understand. Listening to the “why” in the latest video. Did you text drive that mk8?
Great video as usual. It really does come through that you're not the biggest fan of VW's treatment of their customers and, at £5k down for a new 'box, it's totally understandable. Do you think the current coronavirus position will soften the prices of these (and other) used cars?
It's no coincidence my Leon was a handy £5k cheaper than the equivalent GTD Estate 😉 Hard to say re CV-19, as a dealer I don't want my stock to devalue but if cars go down in price, I can buy more cars for less cash which is a good thing. Two things to consider is the car industry, from factories making new cars to small dealers like me is suspended right across Europe. So it's not like factories are churning out new cars into a market that doesn't exist, or cars are available to buy and people aren't buying them as happened in 2008. If this doesnt go on too long the natural increase in demand during spring coupled with people sat at home getting bored and looking online to change cars while still getting paid should create some pent up demand when the restrictions are lifted. Whether this will revert to how things were before or the knock on effect of all the government funding will lead to austerity and poor consumer confidence is hard to say and all depends how much they've had to fork out. 3 months of this will be devastating for many, I can't even think beyond that. Hopefully they'll come up with some less restrictive measures once the deaths curve starts to drop, similar to the 2m queueing in supermarkets to allow pubs, restaurants etc to reopen. He had to do something quick so simply shutting down was the only option.
Interesting video, think I'll go for a GTI if I'm ever looking to buy a MK7. Did the fact a lot of R's were available on cheap lease deals mean they were driven hard and not serviced on time?
I don't know the T&Cs of the leases but having seen cars at auction that have been returned to VWFS, a lot weren't serviced to spec. As for being driven hard, the affordability meant the car was available to a demographic that had previously never been able to get into a new £30k car so I'd expect there to be a greater number of that type of driver than usual. Also the lease doesn't say don't drive it hard so owners will feel they are getting even better value by spanking it and any wear and tear is the next owner's problem who gets it at 2 years old. Many will have limped on with a slipping clutch until it was handed back to VW at end of lease as it wasn't warranty (in most cases) and £1000 to fix would be beyond what a lot of owners would stomach.
Do you know anything about the quality of the is38 turbos that was in the early MK7's to the newer later MK7.5 regarding the play in the turbo shaft? Meaning the newer the car the less chance there will be this turbo issue?
Yes and no. Depends if you need more grip as 235 tyre on 19 obviously offers more than 225 on 18 and looks better not least because it fills arches better. What you really need is a 235 40 18 on a wheel same width as 19s. Difficult for VW to upsell wider wheels so you don’t get that option. RS3 has a wider wheel option on its 19s.
Thanks Marcus! There really isn't much to moan about, they are generally pretty good, if they hadn't cut costs on clutch and coolant module, short of owner abuse (always an issue with hot hatches) they'd be a bastion of reliability.
Great upload I'm in a position to get one,I'm turn between the golf m6 r or the mk7 both in dsg,,both same price what would you prefer and honest opinion Thanks
Is there not a money making option open for you with "unlocking head units" ? Obviously I don't know the cost of the unlocking equipment, but in this day and age, the Chinese are "very good" at giving us freebies, maybe they have something available ? If you did an unlock for £100 a time, it may be a money stream ???
Clutch is still chocolate but paint is massively superior. Still leaks coolant, they all do with that EA888 engine, up to around 2017, so S1, S3, Q3, A4, A6, Octavia, Leon, Passat, etc etc
Also have the coolant problem in my 2014 gti performance.. I had fluid under the car and they fixed a sealing but it's loosing anyway.. Don't know what's wrong cause there's no coolant under the car and they checked the whole engine. No oil in the coolant or something.. But the car doesn't give a notification that it's low.. Don't know what to do
Probably needs a new coolant module if they haven't changed that already, look carefully up at the pipes towards the electronic plug and I am sure you'll see staining and drips. It's easy for a technician to mess this up and it still leak BTW.
