MkLeo vs Marss - Winners' Semifinals: Ultimate Singles - Mainstage | Joker vs Mega Man 

laogon09 nairo did as well :3

Nairo didn't do it in EVO.

Yea true, but also remember scatt is the one who did the rush camping and marss was definitely playing mkre like scatt than kameme. also scatt gave him a game cuz he went snake. Idk why, but he went snake first game and got clapPed. I want scatt to stop and just pocket snake and main MM. I feel like his MM is better. Anyywayyyyy lol yea kameme beast tho

Clearly Marss isn't on Yeti or Kameme's level. I'm just saying hes improved a lot.

Andrew Zemlin its not leo that is bad against mm, its joker vs mm is horrible

@@trashcant4678 he also lost in smash 4 against mega man a few times, so probably a mega man problem

Michael Snow smash 4 is a completely different game with completely different characters. Not a good comparison.

@@trashcant4678 i know it is, i'm just suggesting that his difficulties with mm could transition into this game as well.

they don't call him Rockman for no reason! Megaman got some weight

His head tilts the other way when he gets the kill soon after lol

@@CaptainFalchion don't let me remember marvel vs capcom

He prolly thought he should've down throwed for DI mixup... i think it would definitely kill

@@CaptainFalchion my boy rock wit da glock on the block

He got tilted plenty of times. Its only recently he can now control himself and not quit when being overwhelmed.

He starts giving a damn and giving up if he’s down two games.

@Neo Hikikomori the hell is wrong with you? You probably dont' have many friends, shut your bitchass up, rude ass

@@CaptainFalchion /watch?v=Gk4DGIpNbWU minute 16:04.

His mental game was godawful until like just a few months ago. Nice to see him having it under control now though.

Nerve! I would say samsora, marss, tweek, and nairo are the elite four. Mkleo is the champion

Cosmos,void,Salem, darkwizzy ,esam ,shuton ,zackray, light are are the 8 gym leaders

Z- past agreed. and it makes it the perfect pokémon analogy

Mkleo just use joker.

Right. People need to stop overrating Leo so much. It takes time to learn a MU from a great DLC character piloted by a top player. Those 4 are all around the same level

I agree. I don't even want to play another game of Smash after watching this. The movement from both was too clean.

Like, I got mad at this Zelda I was playing the other day...but this is like, “Damn, so this is what’s ahead, huh?”

Good times

Nairo is still there

It’s a new gen bro

Yeah, but this rivalry is closer and more exciting.

@Aditya Sharma How? The zero nairo rivalry was barely even a rivalry. Zero had a 50 something tournament streak before nairo finally beat it, both of them using busted characters, especially Diddy which top 8's were full of. Not to mention smash 4 was a campier and slower paced game. That's like someone telling me pb&j is better than pizza which while it is tasty, is not better. Imo

Mega Man put on that mega weight

I came here because I had no clue marss camped Leo for the victory in bracket before lol

Marss pick Joker LOL

He doesn't have as much character knowledge, but he still has better fundamentals.

His mega man is already better than yeti’s

@@Osmosis-jy6xp Agreed.

Taxevasionboy nairo took it in grands against leo

@@diamonddustin7664 yeah I saw that. It was epic

@@eyeris4050 Almost did. In the end Leo fell with a 4-3 game count against Nairo.

Yeah, but this match up is literally either a nail biter or a complete blow out in favour of Leo. Marss ain’t nearly consistent enough

Because of his wall jumps lol

Because Megaman usually can walljump in his games XD

Frewt Lewps11 megaman and pichu are probably his worst

the electric rats beat joker 65-35 if mkleo never switched off joker he would lose to void and esam every set. but alas, he has a lucina.

Frewt Lewps11 Pika, pichu, ness, link, mega man, and pac man destroy joker.

Irome Oroshi Leo beat Esam though

@@ThePlayingPenguin Only once with joker though

he prob likes the megaman matchup more. Imma take a guess and say he was inspired from kameme beating mkleo's joker

Because Leo obliterated his ZSS the last 2 times they played at Shine and Smash Con.

@@taxman7617 I can't remember when, but I do remember when Marss and Leo were at that tourney in Mexico, Marss won grands against him with zss. But since then he hasn't had much luck with zss against Leo.

@Fabulous the BOSS He still picks zss, just not when he plays Leo.

Leo knows Marss' Zero Suit like the back of his hand.

I mean I like the fact that all the leaves can consecutively hit now, do at least 22% when all moves connect, and comes out faster than usual.

@@StarForce99 they've nerfed it like two or three times since the game has been out. It jits less consistantly, longer start uo and cool down, and some tech stuff (which was pretty damn good tbh lol). But the fact that he got punished for landing it is fucking dumb. And I think it only does 18%

Jonny Watts yea that’s ridiculous.. I’m only using that move from a distance from now on

@@jonnywatts7079 Oh yeah that's dumb. But still better than Smash 4 Leaf Shield though.

@@StarForce99 yea it is. But actually I like smash 4 leaf shield more. The concept of it at least. I don't like its start up or how slow the leafs spin. And I'm 50-50 on the leaves staying or going after 1 hit. Reason why is cuz u could do more with it. U could jab lock cuz the leaves dissapeared, which in smash 4 led to damage or death. U could grab (imagine in this game if u could grab with this leaf shield. Same start up and end lag it has now, and no dissapearing leaves.) U could grab ledge trump (which led to a shit ton. especially if u had metal blad its basically a free kill), foostool gimp, and many other things. Also u weren't forced to throw it so it was reletively lagless when coming to ending frames. it was a good idea, just too slow. If they had combined smash 4 leaf shield with ultimates leaf shield, I wouldve been so damn happy.

Eddie Alva People are catching up, but as long as Leo continues to improve he’ll still be the best

That's not what f is for

Lol

Taxevasionboy why ? Is not for the same reason as it is in call of duty ?

@@Lamborgini-gb7gs no... It's its f to pay respects. As in they're dead and you pay respects

Taxevasionboy get it bro

In all the matches I watch I rarely see anyone use Arsene Down-B or any of the FE parries. They prefer to use the shield every time, and using it might have changed a fight. Oh well.

yes a badly placed counter can easily get you killed

@@No-XIV-Xion shield is a lot quicker and can be cancelled into a spotdodge, jump, or attack, which makes it drastically safer than using a counter

@@FlappyCat-ef6oq No way all of those online counter spammers could be wrong. I just don't believe it.

you hardly get anything off reflecting anything but a f smash. marss could just jump over and grab

It's not really worth it. Except fsmash none of his projectiles are going to be advantageous to reflect bc mega mans projectiles have enough range where he won't be hit after the reflect and low enough lag that he can punish the Joker for reflecting it. Also Mega man typically can just cover the reflected projectile with a second one

You wrote this backwards lmao 😂 you mean Kryptonite > Superman; Megaman > MKLeo (Because megaman is mkleos kryptonite)

The metal suit! lol

Mega Man is a robot. He has a lot of components and circuits inside him that makes him pretty heavy compared to most humans. So him being a heavyweight makes sense. Samus however? I have no say.

CorgiWithAnOrgy Samus has a big ass metal suit 😂

@@Pierseus Samus' suit isn't actually metal. It's pretty much organic and biological.

Marss sees him like that too

Right. People act like Leo is so much better when he’s not. He just happened to pick up Joker( a top 3 character early) and practiced a lot with him. Takes a good while to learn the MU for such a good character when a top player pick them up

@@chris40v17 He was at the top way before Joker was a thing. MkLeo has had a huge skill and mentality gap between the other players at one point. His character while oppressive in his hands, isn't definitely top 3 and it's not much of an advantage compared to characters like Pikachu, Snake, Fox, ZSS, Peach, or Palutena

Anything to discredit the best player. No, fuck that Leo IS the beast that people strive to be. MkLeo is the Zero of Smash Ultimate it's painfully obvious. He rarely loses, when he does it's as close as a set can get, the praise he gets, it's the praise he has earned over his reign in Smash 4 and Ultimate

Nah, the dude has claimed he uses Joker only because he is broken, as Cloud and Bayonetta in Smash 4

Hell yeah joker needs be nerfed! He either has to have his kill power be charged up by getting hit, or do a super hard dragdown combo that has to be almost frame perfect to be a true combo kill confirm. Joker is so broken guys MkLeo is getting super hard carried. I mean did Leo ever win an EVO before Joker came out? Nope checkmate

I think Joker is fine.

@@StarForce99 Same here. I just think that if he were to get changed, they should make arsene come naturally by giving opponents percent instead of joker taking damage

@@jamesgreenwood1703 That could work

no homo

How vain are you? Who gives a fuck what he looks like

@@sebastianhoyos1961 shut the fuck up

Mmmm good picking a better matchup? Bruh he beat MkLeo with a backup character, how can you hate on that

Nope, it’s called counter picking.

MKleo and Marss are chill and marss beat mkleo with his ZSS 4 or 3 times

Kameme beat mkleo with megaman in an easy match, so it's the match up

Megaman is just good against Joker, MkLeo is still the best Ultimate Player

Except he IS more skilled than all of them. His wins and placings are the proof. Marss did the right thing and practiced megaman to counter leo's joker. A character who gives leo/ joker trouble. No one is going to stop "gassing" up leo when he is still pretty dominant this season.

*Tertiary

Mega Man is annoying to fight against, but he struggles against rushdowns and he seems fine to me.

CorgiWithAnOrgy I believe this was sarcasm.

@@DrSwazz Kinda hard to tell since: A: Mega Man is high tier and has been labeled as an annoying fighter to deal with. B: It's hare to tell how one is feeling via texting.

​@@StarForce99 I'd say sarcasm since he gave zero justification.

@@DrSwazz Could be, but still. Even though he gave zero justification for his comment, people who say that are actually serious about why this character needs a nerf which is obvious to tell why. Plus even if it was sarcasm, it was sure handled poorly.

This match or this game?

But if that's how it has to be played than might as well get use to it, right? Slow and defensive made me think of melee puff immediately though.

Compared to Smash 4 this game is super fast

@@joshr5997 Compared to every Smash except maybe Melee.

And there it is

Dude, you could physically see Leo invested in the game... Sure he could have done somethings better, but he was playing.

Tax Man bro he’s got Leo’s nut in his eyes so he can’t see clearly