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MKll Radius Ball Turner - Final! 

ChrisB257
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The long road of experimenting is over for the most part. We turn a full ball with the boring head approach, making odd changes as we go - finally ending up with a fairly satisfactory tool grind, which now is in a newly made tool holder. Chip formation looks good and pretty much what was sought after. There may be small tweaks to follow but essentially only to grind new tooling, possibly including a small left side relief on the tool so as to give better clearance on the left side of the ball -- and also have the 'arc sweep' position set up a bit better on a future ball turn. Thanks to all who have followed this long saga!

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@fredschmidt3148
@fredschmidt3148 8 лет назад
I think you resolved several issues and you did it logically. I like your thought process. The general gist was you adapted a common machine tool accessory to do a job that I have found to be difficult. Congratulations ! I'll never forget this !
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Hi Fred - thanks for the kind words. It was in the end an awful long process of trial and error - longer than I had expected!
@williamhardin5254
@williamhardin5254 9 лет назад
Well, it looks like you have finally reached your goal with the ball turner. Congratulations, you stuck with it and now you have a nice tool to add to your tool box. Nice job and thanks for sharing it with all of us.
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 9 лет назад
Success at last! I knew you would work out all the kinks. Thanks for the video.
@marcgodwin8355
@marcgodwin8355 9 лет назад
Glad you had the tenacity to keep with this and now we all have the information to create a great ball turning tool. Well done, one would assume you could take this same approach and use a bigger boring head also...
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
Marc Godwin Hi Marc - yes, I guess a bigger head could work but in my case this one is the limit, as my compound and cross slide are almost all the way back.
@tonche012
@tonche012 9 лет назад
top job there chris, I thought it turned out very good and thanks heaps for the great episodes on the ball turner, now I need to make one for myself.. thanks again
@453421abcdefg12345
@453421abcdefg12345 9 лет назад
As I always tell my students, these experimental jobs always look like a failure in the early stages, the secret of success is to keep going through that stage, and end up with workable project, as you have! Chris B.
@sparkmencer
@sparkmencer 8 лет назад
I just found you this morning, and subscribed after the first one (chuck plate). I DID watch this to the end, and enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks for doing what you're doing, and sharing it with the rest of the world. BCNU, Mark in Modesto (CA)
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+Mark Spencer Hello Mark - thanks for the kind comments. The whole ball turning series was somewhat of an adventure with numerous trials - finally we did achieve a reasonable result.
@philoso377
@philoso377 8 лет назад
Nice demonstration. I always fascinated in alternative ways of making things and how we deal with the problem encounter downstream, this is one excellent example. In the video, I can see a continuous chip yielding of long helical shape after reconstruction of tool holding and its regrinded for no chattering, compare to discrete chips when chattering occur with original tip shape. That long helical chip could be a tell tale sign that cutting-surface has increased from a lesser compound angle in relation to the stock material travel direction, therefore stressing the tool-fixture from one stress vector state to another where flex and free-play stability are at optimal, minimum.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+YK Chan Thanks for commenting. Indeed, at last we seemed to have found a combination that did passably well. Of course the geometry in this cutting situation is somewhat unusual! :)
@pojotex6542
@pojotex6542 9 лет назад
Looks like you got it figured out.... Nice work, enjoyed the video....
@sunny5rising
@sunny5rising 9 лет назад
Looks pretty darn good!
@davidcashin9194
@davidcashin9194 9 лет назад
Hi Chris You could try setting the tool in the middle of the slug at the top. I measure the slug and make a mark dead center of the slug then set the swing. My ball turner cuts from front to back but same principle. You will always loose some of the diameter and with a nub at the threaded rod. I use a pointed lathe tool to machine down to the rod and hand finish the rest. Now I just leave a small flat nub turned down to the diameter of the shaft I and I put the ball on the shaft and wack it in the chuck and blend it together. I have brass balls on all the levers on my lathe probably have the most expensive lathe levers around. Happy Balls to you Dave
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
David Cashin You are spot on David -- it is though a bit difficult to find or see the exact contact point of the large radius grind and get that exact on the blank's center. I intend to get it set better next time, plus adding a left side relief to the tool for better results close to the 3/8 threaded stub. Haha - brass balls luxury! :)
@tombellus8986
@tombellus8986 8 лет назад
Nice job of making the ball turner It's about as good as I've seen around the tube thanks for sharing
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+Tom Bellus Thanks again Tom -- it was a rather drawn out challenge. :)
@rchopp
@rchopp 9 лет назад
Well done, I believe you had good result from the looks of it. As a side note I was watching you adjust the adjustment screw and noticed if there had been a slot on the other end of the screw it might have been easier for adjustments going from the other end just a thought.. Thanks for sharing your journey.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
rchopp Now there's a logical thought!! I definitely think I'll be modifying the lead screw to make a slot - obvious really and should have thought of that before! Bit by bit we polish the whole process. :)
@fredsmachinewerks4811
@fredsmachinewerks4811 8 лет назад
Well done the ball turning. Good Video. Cheers
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+Fred's Machine Werks Thanks Fred - well, it was close to the end of a long series of experiments! :)
@captaing5166
@captaing5166 8 лет назад
The new tool holder certainly made a big difference.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Indeed it did - plus tool geometry. Thx for dropping by.
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 9 лет назад
nice work! thanks for sharing. you made a extremely useful tool.
@PeterWMeek
@PeterWMeek 9 лет назад
Set the blank up in the chuck, move the cross slide to bring the tool tip even with the centerline (remember this setting); adjust the boring head slide inward (rotated to its highest point) to bring the tool-tip just touching the radius of the blank; pull back the cross slide and rotate the boring head 90˚ to face the end of the blank; advance the cross slide to center the tool tip again; now advance the carriage until the tool tip just touches the face of the blank; this should position the carriage (and boring head axis) perfectly on the blank. Now retract the boring head slide (not the cross slide) until the tool tip just clears the corners of the blank and begin cutting. This will form a ball of full blank diameter, which will complete the end away from the chuck perfectly with no waste. Good for putting a hemisphere on the end of a rod without changing the length, as well.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
Peter W. Meek Hi Peter. Excellent and thanks. The most awkward aspect is actually seeing the exact center of the cutting tool, as it has such a significant radius. That said, of course you are spot on re setting up on a center line. The rest of set-up is pretty much as I expect and almost did. Next one will I feel work out significantly better. Appreciate your input.
@RobertPerrigoOkiechopper
@RobertPerrigoOkiechopper 9 лет назад
Jaw dropping amazing , I think it's a job well done .
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
***** Thank you Robert.
@gadlem
@gadlem 8 лет назад
Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated.
@rascalwind
@rascalwind 8 лет назад
Those are some good looking chips.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+Robert Fleming Thanks Robert - in the end it was working out fairly well.
@주진-b8n
@주진-b8n 9 лет назад
oh~ great Method of cutting ball I'm Very Thank you May god bless you~
@ShuffleSk8Ter
@ShuffleSk8Ter 9 лет назад
excellent job Chris...and yes i still think it can be further improved by making the relief below the cutting edge steeper...meaning less relief ....but IMO you got it looking good ...IMO i still prefer a machined finish looks richer to me :)
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
Lawrence Harasim Thx Lawrence. Almost 'got there' - now done a new better tool grind, including some left side relief. May be time to take a break from balls! :)
@pierresgarage2687
@pierresgarage2687 9 лет назад
Hello Chris, your balls are getting somewhere... Nice improvement on the method, maybe a way to get closer from the 3/8 holding screw would be to grind off the side part of the tool that don't get to be used, this would let you turn closer from the center without side effect. Yep.... I stayed until the end.... Pierre
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
pierre beaudry Hi Pierre. Indeed, since the turning realized I could for sure relieve the left side of the tool - that plus setting up better should allow for a good result where the ball joins the 3/8 threaded stub. Thx for staying the course! :)
@terryallen3550
@terryallen3550 8 лет назад
I don't mind watching the turning or long videos, then we don't have to keep clicking the next video to watch every couple of minutes. Thanks ChrisB257, I quite enjoy your videos and please watch your health cause we need your entertainment so much :-)
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Hi Terry - thank you for the kind words. :)
@andyvan5692
@andyvan5692 9 лет назад
good tool, nice design but perhaps the cure to the chattering is to use this tool as a finishing tool only and use another tool to create two tapers, one on each side of the balls center line.This would eliminate the edge transitions where the chatter occurred and give the tool its use in its happiest area of cutting, and give the job it's best finish.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
+andy van Hi Andy, Indeed, there is much to recommend roughing to remove a lot of material bulk. Much of the evolution of my system was aimed at getting a good cut end to end but for sure, the edge transition areas could well be better diminished first.
@mohamed19803
@mohamed19803 9 лет назад
Really it's great work
@josephmacey8512
@josephmacey8512 8 лет назад
Good job chris well done. would grinding the tip with a square end finish the ball at the thread
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Hi Joseph, This is a possibility yes - many grinds have been tried and yet to find what might be the absolute ideal. There seems to have to be an element of compromise! I'll be trying more :)
@muhaahaloa941
@muhaahaloa941 9 лет назад
Good job chris well done :)
@caemaridwn
@caemaridwn 9 лет назад
I liked the way you kept at it Chris I watched it all, why not cut a slot on the back adjustment screw for a screwdriver make life easier.lol
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
Robert Clive Thx Robert - I'm a stubborn and fairly patient old guy. Someone else mentioned about the slotted end and it has been done! I modified a stubby screwdriver too for making adjustments. It occurred to me earlier when working on the ball but didn't want to disturb my set-up. Should help a lot.
@robertallnutt3717
@robertallnutt3717 7 лет назад
Thank you for the wonderful videos. I made a ball turner tool holder to accommodate a boring bar head. The holder is made of steel and seems to be very study but I can not understand how to make the cutter. Would you make a video on how to make the cutting tool or a drawing of the cutter geometry. Thanks again, REA
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
Hi Robert, Thanks for watching through - long series.! Cutter geometry is certainly a challenge. I don't have any drawings of the grind but at some point in the last video I think I did mention and show a bit of detail. One interesting approach to grinding was done my John Mills (Doubleboost) - he ground down a used end mill and if you look through his videos you can see that - one of his last ones he turned a ball and the grind is easily seen. For me, the thing is to visualize the way the cutter approaches the work - set up angles so you have relief where needed and experiment a bit with rake etc... it's a bit experimental!
@user-mi9yj7vb9p
@user-mi9yj7vb9p 7 лет назад
Very interesting way of turning a ball without the use of a computer. I've seen this done on a milling machine setup with an dividing head and a boring head. I have a challenge for you. :) see if you can turn a fair size concave radius. Not really a challenge for you I suspect than more of a show us how you would do it.. Good luck anyways.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
Actually a concave is easier done with a more conventional set up running in horizontal plain. I made one and it does good for that but not so good for ball turning on my lathe..
@user-mi9yj7vb9p
@user-mi9yj7vb9p 7 лет назад
ChrisB257 thank you for the reply. The reason I asked that question was a job I've seen resurfacing the radius on a 4 foot diameter sheave.
@Moose_Hawkins
@Moose_Hawkins 8 лет назад
Is that a combination tool holder-knurler? That's OG as hell.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+Josh K Yes, forget the number of the holder - just using it there for holding a tool for facing off. In fact have removed the wheels for use in my 'straddle' knurler.
@MrPlofstof
@MrPlofstof 8 лет назад
Nice to learn from you, thanks... :)
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Thank you Rene - sorry the whole series was rather long winded! :)
@leonardooramas2457
@leonardooramas2457 7 лет назад
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@jimarnott9593
@jimarnott9593 9 лет назад
Very good Chris, I think you have finally cracked it. I am finding the grind really hard to see looks almost square cut. could you perhaps do a closeup against a piece of white card or paper. Also on some of your other videos it doesn't sound quite right hearing aloominum with an English accent. ;-)
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
Jim Arnott Sorry Jim - wasn't very good at showing the tool grind. I have one other modification in mind for the tool and will try to show it better. In essence it is a very simple grind! Imagine the round rod being ground flat on the end to a couple of degrees or so, and that basically is it! I plan to also grind a left side relief to help with the cut when on left side of ball where it is attached on the threaded 3/8 stub.
@jimarnott9593
@jimarnott9593 9 лет назад
ChrisB257 thanks for that . good video by the way.
@gadlem
@gadlem 8 лет назад
Hello Chris, I have been looking at making a ball turning device until I saw your idea which I wish I had thought of. Just one thought though, what would happen if you set the radius of the ball on the boring head, then approached the ball by moving the cross slide in slowly, would this save the constant head adjustment?
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Hi Gordon, Originally I tried that approach but it seems to make for more awkward cutting results. By starting with the boring head back from the required final radius (and progressing towards what is required), it seems to go much better, with better cuts. Best way to demonstrate this is, if you make a similar device - compare one approach with the other.
@brucethompson7345
@brucethompson7345 9 лет назад
Great video, and very interesting watching the series as your ideas develop. From a theoretical point of view, would the ideal tool to cut a ball not form a tangent to the circle?
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
+Bruce Thompson Ideally Bruce, yes you are right.
@mistermichaelj
@mistermichaelj 9 лет назад
Good job!! Thanx
@aubreyaub
@aubreyaub 8 лет назад
@10.52. The hex key difficulty., and also fairly close to the rotating chuck. I have just pulled the boring head apart and rotated the slidy tool holder bit, so that the cutting tool is now at the end where the adjusting hex is. When you pull it apart, you will see that you need to grind a groove, 15 minutes with mr Dremel. The adjusty bit is now very accessible. I only cut the one groove. No great precision engineering is required, as this is only an adjustment bit as the gib keys should be tight enough to locate when and where it is adusted to. Just wish I had done it years ago.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Hi -- thanks. I had considered this approach but in the end created a slot the other end so I could use a small screwdriver - so allowing much easier adjustment from that side.
@glenatools1
@glenatools1 8 лет назад
i watch alot of your uploads and keep forgetting to like and comment. just out of interest how did you get your cutting edge on center of the blank and indeed was it on cntr or bellow as it were?
@glenatools1
@glenatools1 8 лет назад
my question on cntr height refers to the horrizontal plane as opposed to the vertical
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Hi Glen, Best I can describe -- centering is rather empirical but to start off, I have the boring head and tool as close to horizontal as possible and adjusted on tool post to the machine center. After that of course, the near 180 degree sweep while cutting goes either side of center which is what tends to affect the tool tip choice of grind. Hard to explain.!
@JDMFAN-G35
@JDMFAN-G35 8 лет назад
I work inside a machine shop and would love to make my own weighted shift knob. however we do not have a radius cutter.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Perhaps you can manage some time to make one .. after hours! :)
@johngalt9262
@johngalt9262 8 лет назад
I watched the whole thing. What do I win? ;)
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+John Galt Hi John, thank you -- I think you win the grand order of the very patient!! It was indeed a long saga!
@jluzeac
@jluzeac 7 лет назад
A fine idea thanks!
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
Thanks.
@thomaslang7634
@thomaslang7634 7 лет назад
there is one big problem with this type of radius tool everytime you adjust it you are changing the diameter of the ball. you need a tool that cuts on the horizontal plane to maintain the same diameter throughout the wheel cutting process
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
Horizontal is better I agree. However this way does the job and once set up initially you don't have to change ball dia - just creep in on it.
@Moronicsmurf
@Moronicsmurf 8 лет назад
So i was afraid you gonna hit your knuckles everytime you adjusted.. so.. cut on the underside of the workpiece and run the lathe backwards instead? then you would be able to adjust the head from above instead or your right.. without risking crushing a knuckle.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+Moronicsmurf Can't safely run in reverse because spindle is threaded. However, since then have made a screw slot on other side of boring bar which means adjustment gets away from the chuck now. Thanks for dropping by.
@Moronicsmurf
@Moronicsmurf 8 лет назад
Ah right, thats too bad. don't have that issue myself, keep forgetting that older lathes had the chuck threaded on there.
@Opinionator52
@Opinionator52 9 лет назад
Hi Chris, I think if you tap the hole in the ball to be only 90% of the way so it gets tight at both ends you chatter may be cured easy fix for another try........ :o) O,,,
@Opinionator52
@Opinionator52 9 лет назад
Opinionator52 Or: make the tool fit tighter in it's holder,,, Just a thought... O,,,
@Opinionator52
@Opinionator52 9 лет назад
Opinionator52 The neck could on a nother knob look cool......... O,,,
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 9 лет назад
Opinionator52 Hi - yes, could well improve rigidity if i get threads matched better for length/depth etc. Tool fit in holder now is actually pretty solid. Yes, I sort of got used to that 'neck' - and have put it on my (shortened) boring head turner handle - it looks very reasonable!
@yogeshk.bharadwa4359
@yogeshk.bharadwa4359 7 лет назад
Where is the handle for operating please show it
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
The handle is a simple piece of rod at 90 degrees to the shaft. I think it shows in one of the earlier videos on this project.
@robertbeattie7689
@robertbeattie7689 8 лет назад
It looks like an Almond.
@joelluizbarbosa5829
@joelluizbarbosa5829 8 лет назад
Muito bom parabens, vou fazer um tambem mas vou ultilizar uma frasadora pra usinar a esfera.
7 лет назад
Brilliant demo however the ball cutting tool did not impress me, the cutting tip flexed ever time it cut into the material no wonder you were have problems with chatter. I think the other type of cutter is more stable as the pressure is all going into the tool holder. But thanks for the demonstration she showed how by altering the cut angle you can improve matters. Much appreciated.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
Thanks Tony - in fact on my lathe the ideal method is impractical because of insufficient space and, the cross slide unfortunately has no T slots if the compound was removed. This was why the boring head approach was tried, and if feed kept reasonably light the end result can still be quite reasonable... tool geometry is the most critical aspect.
7 лет назад
It is a shame your lathe is not suitable for the ideal method as comparison of tools would be a great help as well as excellent demo's.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
Your last comment hasn't shown up yet but you mention about comparison with other tools. I did try and make a more conventional one but had the height problem. Go to - www.oldmansshop.com/vid-pages/shop-videos-index-04.php - and among the early entries on that index page are several videos as I try the other method... My "MK1 version"
@yogeshk.bharadwa4359
@yogeshk.bharadwa4359 7 лет назад
4 start thread in one time
@yogeshk.bharadwa4359
@yogeshk.bharadwa4359 7 лет назад
How to do threadings 4 start in one time can u help
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
I would have to do that incrementally. if it was a 16 TPI four start I'd cut 4 times on a 4 TPI threading setting. Can't see it being feasible in one go unless the thread was made by rolling.
@dominiquewilk6894
@dominiquewilk6894 7 лет назад
salut .super votre vidéo. dommage pas en francais du Nord de Paris. Cordialement. Dominique
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 7 лет назад
Merci encore :)
@miguelcordoba5321
@miguelcordoba5321 8 лет назад
i like you video th@nks
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
Thank you for dropping by.
@mustafatalha3947
@mustafatalha3947 7 лет назад
İHTİYAR YÜZÜKLE ÇALIŞMA 💍 SAKIN!!!!!
@robertbeattie7689
@robertbeattie7689 8 лет назад
Look at the radius of your work and the angle of your tool. You have no undercut for your tool.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 8 лет назад
+Robert Beattie Hi Robert .... the tooling has involved much experimentation and the final choice is based purely on function, which overall is acceptable. That said, further grinds will no doubt be tried! :) It is one of those things where in some ways theory does not always match up with practical results!
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