1980 was the best NLCS ever. Four of the five games went extra innings. This is really close, however, which is amazing considering the series didn't go the distance. I will say this - with Mike Scott looming in Game 7, this was the biggest "must win Game 6 (for a team up 3-2)" in MLB history.
it's not on this video- but i remember watching it live- the 6th inning strikeout of Gary Carter. a fast ball straight down the middle- the kind Carter would normally knocked out of the park- put him out. You can't see it in this video but old stone face Scott grinned. I wish I could get a picture of that.
He grinned thinking about his next beer, golf outing and cheeseburger all at the same time….the fuckin cheating jake! Ask Nolan if u doubt me; worst work ethic of all time
That entire playoffs was the best ever. In the AL baylor hit that home run off donnie moore. The red Sox were down to their last strike. Then you had the classic world series with bill buckner making that big error
Met fan and that Astro pitching staff was so good. Mike Scott was unhittable the last month or the year including this series. Mets would have been f'd if this went 7 games with Scott going again.
MrAitraining, we at www.imasportsphile.com responsible for posting this video along with 2900 other vintage videos like it on our site....including this entire NLCS between the Mets vs Astros.....are in agreement with your assessment in this comment....as we believe that this NLCS features the two best pitching staff to ever grace an NLCS series....as the Mets staff of Gooden, Darling, Ojeda, Fernandez and Orosco were dang near as good as the Astros with Scott, Ryan, Knepper, Deshaises and Smith.
No question the Astros would've won Game 7. I'm thinking it would've been a 5-2, 5-1 game or something like that. Scott probably would've went at least 8 while it would've been all hands on deck for the Mets with the exception of Gooden who did start Game 1 of the WS.
@@markuyehara7880 agree. Red sox weren't beating them. Mets had a better lineup than boston and better relievers and NY just squeaked by. Mike Scott, nolan ryan and the mets couldnt hit bob knepper either. The only way to beat houston that year was to keep it close enough to get to their bullpen. That's what the mets did.
@@rociosuastegui4725 "Near as good" lmao Mets won 108 games that year, 98 the year before that in 1985 and in 1984 they won 90 games. They would go on to win 92 games in a disappointing injury plagued 1987 season and won 100 games in 1988. Mets had the better staff/team, period.
Not only would Scott have pitched Game 7, but he would have had the same home plate umpire and the same giant strike zone. The six umps rotate around the six positions in the playoffs so they would have all returned to their spots from Game 1.
That ball really exploded I've never seen a ball move like that. Lol at Gary Carter immediately asking the ump to check the ball. If it's a real good split finger they say nobody can hit it
top 1st inning..gry carter asked the ump to check the ball...i noticed that gary carter was standing back in thebatter's box..making it very difficult to even touch that split finger
To the people saying that Mike Scott scuffed the baseball... If you knew anything about how a "Split-Finger Fastball" is thrown and the physics behind it, you would be completely embarrassed by your phony claims. Here's the short version since you got my attention with your uneducated comments. The "Split-Finger Fastball" is thrown just like a regular "Fastball" but because of the split grip shown in this video, the ball slips out of the hand between the fingers when thrown which reduces some of the rotation of the ball as it travels to home plate. This reduced rotation creates sort of a tumbling action which causes the ball to drop right before it gets to the batter. Along with that, Mike Scott threw this pitch similar to a "2-Seam Fastball" which also creates some of the arm-side break you see here. Finally, you can actually take your fat ass outside and throw this pitch yourself and it will do the same shit. If it doesn't, then your doing it wrong.
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Clandestine Ops, thanks for your comment....albeit coming from a Mets fan....but my Bone Daddy, the original Sportsphile, whose 2300 hr. vintage sports, comedy and music video library we at ImaSportsphile are continuing to post every day....attended this entire series in 1986 as a huge Astros fan....who believed his Strohs could win it all....cuz they had a really good pitching staff....anyway, he left NYC with his tail between his legs after eating a ton of humble pie....cuz he was in the mens head in the 7th inning of game 5 singing loudly to all the Mets fan a Shea....."We're going to Kansas City....Kansas City here we come....they got pretty little girls there....and we Astro fans are gonna get us some"
Clandestine Ops was speaking of one game....and you're talking about a season....for when it came to the season....we at ImaSportsphile have to agree that leading the league in wins (23), innings (267), shutouts (8) and complete games (15)....while being third in ERA at 2.26....and finishing the season with a record 59 consecutive scoreless innings pitched....which broke the mark of 58 held by former Dodger Don Drysdale.... and being the unanimous selection for the National League Cy Young Award....plus winning the Gold Glove Award for the best fielding pitcher in the National League.....certainly substantiates your comment on Hershiser in 1988....but Scott's performance against the Mets was one for the ages and superceeded anything that Hershiser did in any one game.
Clandestine Ops, thanks for this comment....and coming from a Mets fan....for it is "spot on"....as this NLCS between the Astros and Mets featured the best 6 games of pitching the NLCS has maybe ever seen....we're talking Scott, Ryan, Knepper and Deshaises vs. Gooden, Darling, Fernandez and Ojeda....man it was a great NLCS!!!
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That started with the 2-0 pitch that was called a strike... it was a ball... the ump then gave Hernandez one later in the count... the ump then called Hernandez out on ball 4.. well 5 actually.. miss 80's baseball😀... that box they have today would have made the calling of that entire st bat laughable.
Bill Doran was very underrated as he played under Ryne Sandberg's shadow. I would take Bill any day over Ryne any day. Bill definitely had a better glove, and how he never made an All Star team is beyond me.
It's crazy how game 6 of this series considered one of the best ever & Scott isn't pitching but it's all b/c of him. The Mets treated that as must win for fear of Scott.
Knowing the balls on that team, I bet they woulda walked of the field and refused to play if Scott wasn’t taken care of…he was clearly cheating (search it…so many teams blatantly called him out). There’s an ‘87 game against SF where u can see him panic and hide something in his jersey
@@Chize41 I've seen it & he admits it saying if I cheated it will be in my book asked when the books coming out he says " never!" I watched the Mets in the 30 for 30 show the same scuffed balls after the game in 30+ years later. Doc Gooden pitched against him in the nlcs in 86 & said the balls were scuffed he could feel it but he had no idea how he as a batter in the same game how the same balls were " life waffle balls " or exploding in 2 ways. He was a typical Medicore pitcher than he hooked up w/ legendary split seemer fast ball hitting coach who taught him how to hold the ball than he added illegal sandpaper & or other substances to the ball & he was able to throw it fast & had the perfect long fingers for it. That's why he was unhittable & unbeatable in 86 & into 87 & got caught & his decline came harder than b4 he cheated. Some power hitters on the Mets like straw felt it also started getting into their heads b/c they became so focused on the cheating as well they were swinging at crazy pitches way outside the strike zone.
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I KNEW that's what I heard. I remember watching this when I was 11 years old and thinking, WTF? I thought I was the only one who remembered Keith saying "1976."
Jackson also gets the origin of the Dome's name wrong. It was called the Astrodome because the team had changed to the Astros, not vice versa. The official name was the Harris County Domed Stadium.
@cheeba_team does coke make you play better ? I'd think being stoned would mess you up on the field. Well LT was smoking crack & was the best defensive football player ever but didn't straw & docs careers get very detailed from greatness from the drug problems
It's no big deal. We know now that the split fingered fastball, or the forkball is easy to throw if you have the fingers for it.moving it around the seam but keeping the same grip, just makes it drop from side to side
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I did like McCarver a lot, but 1 thing I disliked was his not seeing himself wrong when viewing replays. Like here in the 9th inning, the replay at 2:43:55 clearly shows that Scott's 1st step MISSES 1st base, and that he only touches 1st after Mookie had touched, but both announcers miss it.
Hats off to Scott? He cheated. The umps new it, and let him slide. In doubt? Watch the 86 mets special on ESPN where they show footage of Scott's thrown balls. They were so obviously sandpapered.
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They def could have. If they won game 6, they would have won game 7 with mike scott going again. Mets could barely hit foul balls off the guy. Totally dominated them.
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2:45:00 mark that strike call on Ray Knight was absolutely ridiculous.... listening to Tim McCarver going "that pitch was close very close" he was full of shit....
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If you have access to the ‘86 documentary Once Upon a Time in Queens, Ed Hearn shows a ball Scott was scuffing and how he was grinding the ball in his palms. No one can make that ball move naturally like that
Yup!! If you watch Scuffy McGee, he rubs the ball with both bare hands EVERY-TIME he gets a fresh baseball….hmmm!?!?!? He had sandpaper taped and/or glue to his left palm…watch the SF game from ‘87
The 86 Mets may have been a bunch of Coke heads and Alcoholics but were a gritty bunch who always found a way to win, it's a mystery how Gary Carter is in the HOF but Keith Hernandez who was the engine of this 86 team and best Defensive 1st baseman of all time will never get in that's Bullshit...
The Astros had everything going their way this series they should have won! Mike Scott was a Horse, BUT it wasn't meant to be BUT DAMN THE 1986 POSTSEASON WAS THE GREATEST! in BOTH leagues!!
I have been a fan for life too....and my Bone Daddy the original Sportsphile has been an Astros fan since the Colt 45 days....for he was at the 3 games that were played at Shea....as he was on the mezzanine level right behind the Mets dougout....wearing his DON{T METS WITH TEXAS tshirt harrassing the Mets so badly....that the NYC fans threatened to either piss on him or throw him off the mezzanine....and then he had to eat crow.
we at Ima Sportsphile think you are right on several points....they were a bunch of cokeheads and alcoholics....and they were mighty gritty....almost on the level of the 1969 Mets.....and Hernandez was the engine on that team....but in our opinion, Carter played more years, had more HRs and had more RBIs....while having a career batting average just .30 below Hernandez deserve at .262 to .292....so, if you don´t think Carter should be in the Hall....then Hernandez definitely should not.
Christ, what a terrible zone from Doug Harvey. Of course, I understand that it's called a little differently today, but that zone was terrible even for 1986.
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