@@yesd2024 because that’s just simply how football leagues tend to work. There are also financial advantages because it means everyone can make a team ( especially in the lower divisions ) which means even more money given to the association.
@@JSA-Studios To have 2 divisions you would have to split the 30 into even less teams, and the US is so big that there are east and west conferences, and accounting for all that is too hard imo
From a financial perspective, I doubt MLS will ever add relegation, they have little incentive to because they know they can charge $$$ to investors who want to buy in. If they added relegation, these valuations would plummet. Of course, from a footballing perspective relegation is important but money talks in the US.
No need for that now since professional soccer is new in the USA, maybe they will keep charging fees until they had 50 teams or something and then they will split into first and second division
@@johncohnor9655 50 teams in one league just seems infeasible. They’re just looking for money for new buy ins, which really kills any interest in the league. You have 30 teams and no reason for the bottom half to care about their position since the clubs finances are secured. I get it’s a new league, but 30 teams is excessive. I’d honestly watch the MLS if it had some form of second league
Hopefully after 2026 world cup MLS will become much more popular and add relegation Edit: MLS has a second division called the USL so regulation isn't out of the question
@@Jakub8987 nah i watch almost every European league and keep up with the news on the ones i don't watch regularly. MLS can't be considered as a real league as my nan could score 20 goals there.
I dont watch the MLS but I feel like it will get more and more popular in the coming years. Some clubs already have better "Ultras" than the english clubs and the atmosphere and different entertainment from other US sports they will be able to create in stadiums could become something special. Until something goes wrong and they will blame the Ultras and you will have reached the level of european football hahaha
MLS would be popular if the already existing sports didn’t exist. American Football, Basketball, Baseball, and Hockey are much more popular than soccer
@@rocketje_bs Europe is obviously better? It’s literally not even a debate lol. The prem, La liga, Bundesliga etc 😂, the English second division is ranked as a better league by EUFA coefficients then the MLS 😂
Europeans talking mad smack but, as soon as the MLS gets big as the NFL and NBA and make their money; Europeans will start to cry when MLS will rob their best players out of their favorite teams
At this point they could split MLS into a 1st and a 2nd division with 15 teams each and have promotion and relegation, which surely would massively improve the competition.
American sports are so meaningless. There is no threat to defeat. You lose every game in the mls and you are still there next year. Pointless and boring.
American sports = money. I agree that not having a promotion/relegation is not that great BUT there is still money to be made. Maybe later on the format changes but for now it needs to be this way in order for investors to be drawn in......MLS started with 12 teams now almost 30...just wait and see.
Well I don’t pay that close attention to the MLS but I’m a huge hockey fan. There is a lot of excitement in sports here, for example fighting for a playoff spot, and winning the cup in the playoffs. Every match does matter, just in a different way
They're trying to fix that by adding more and more teams. Soon enough we'll have about 32-36 teams. Once that happens you can split the league into 2 and make regulation and promotion battles.
As a San Diegan I see this as a big chance for me and my teammates to get potential scoutings, but it will also be nice to have a big football hub in my area
Well San Diego does have an indoor/arena soccer franchise that plays a 6 a side version of the game in a lower level arena soccer league. I've supported them since 1985. Great Game and very successful franchise in San Diego.
Bournemouth aint winning shit in the future and their "history" is the only they can sell you on because European football is fundamentally flawed compared to the American sports leagues. With proper management, a good scouting department and some luck, San Diego might win the MLS title a few years after its inception. Bournemouth? Might make a good buck from the young talent it sells to Man City or Liverpool. But go on about your tradition. Las Vegas just won a cup 6 years after its NHL club was formed. Thats what every league should aspire to
@@rocketje_bs literally the opposite, and if you think the prem is only won by rich teams then could you answer me this question, who won the league in the 2015/16 season?
I live in San Diego, i think the stadium will be shared with SDSU. They both fought for that stadium that used to belong to the San Diego Chargers before they left to LA
I don't think San Diego does deserve it. 1. The fan bases of San Diego are disinterested and apathetic. 2. The SD franchise is subservient to San Diego State University. It's their stadium and the MLS team will be paying tenants. For a primary football stadium with SDSU branding. This breaks with the MLS model. No revenue streams coming in from the stadium, just rent going out. And SDSU sucks.
And in America you get paid for playoff wins It’s the same shit but better Nobody cares about Manchester or Newcastle and nobody in England has won any international championship unlike the US
@@AbpedmOno they don’t. In America people work themselves to death with poor employment laws, no free healthcare and school shooters. No one is living in America, they are waiting to die. Europeans know how to live life
@@toiky9476 forward Madison isn't MLS, or even second division, it's USL1, the third division. The second division, USL Championship, is getting a Milwaukee team in 2025
Relegation won't be popular with owners for a few reasons. One the massive investment / buy in of entering the league only to risk losing it, two the bone dry earnings of the USL, and three they would certainly need to implement a profit sharing scheme like that used in England (relegated teams get a few years of the revenue they would have gotten in the premier league 60%, 40%, then 30% of what last place gets or something like that. I personally think the MLS needs to keep growing its revenues, then only start letting teams buy into the USL and implement some limited promotion / relegation and profit sharing to help lift up the USL.
@261i7 The argument over the name of the sport is utterly stupid. Neither names are wrong, they both reference the name of the sport. People will obviously take your word instead but I still made my point.
Meanwhile teams in European league winning solely because they are getting fed money from billionaires in the gulf states. Money has never directly equaled success in the US for any sport
MLS can actually be a different sports league in North America. Unlike other leagues like the MLB and NBA, teams that own second teams/g league teams. The mls can either gain more teams and expand or be stuck in the loop that is the draft.
They will and they do😂 The fan support is higher than any other league Every stadium has 90 minutes of singing and drumming and new chants invented each season
Or maybe follow the NBA format, 15 on the West coast vs 15 on the East coast. Winners of each conference meet in the finals….cause I don’t see MLS developing a relegation battle format, especially since I don’t seem them working with the NASL anytime soon 👀
If the MLS can keep expanding, then a 2-tier pro/rel system is possible. Soccer/football will never get to the level found in Europe with 10+ tiers, but the MLS + USL could be enough for a 2 or 3 tier system which would allow some pretty awesome pro/rel battles.
@@kyemerchant5455 because it is a closed league... 0 risk of losing ur money cos if u do bad then u get to pick the next big up and coming player meaning eventually u will be the best again securing a time where the club will have secure income, trophies etc... if a team does bad in the prem and get related they will have to cut wages (unhappy players),sell high earners and star players for cheap losing out on money (adams, maddison, rodrigo etc), lose about 500 million in TV right money, change the spnosers (loosing more money), often times if the club has too many big names with high wages and get related they will go into financial turmoil declaring bankruptcy, sanctions and unhappy fans calling the owners to leave which forces u to sell the club cheaply losing more personal money (derby county, luton, bolton, sunderland etc)
@bigt6665 sure but it's also the most popular sport in the richest country in the world. It just makes sense. Besides even the MLB and nba make more in a year than the epl. Relegation wouldn't work in the NFL either cause teams will often go from one of the worst teams to the superbowl in one year.
American sports in a nutshell: Step 1: Play sh*t for a year or three. Step 2: Reap the benefits of coming in dead last, such as receiving a first round draft pick. Step 3: Build a supersquad. No relegation means no incentive to perform, especially when throwing away years will lead to having an advantageous position with regards to draftpicks. Sure, there's almost never a fully dominant team for a longer period of time - unless you have a group that is insanely busted with talent (Brady's Patriots, Curry's Warriors).
@@sethjohnson8222 Because America is always better? Wut? The big difference with Europe and US is that there's roughly about 30 franchises for each sport across the entire US. This would in Europe only translate to the Champions League for football. Where the big teams clash and there's plenty of good matches there. Yes, on a national level, the bigger clubs usually stay on top, but then you have upsets like a three way title fight in England, Leverkusen in Germany, last seasons Italian champion Napoli ending up somewhere 8th, 9th or 10th or Dutch side Ajax having a paultry season. So what you're saying only holds true to a degree. There are so many clubs that there's much more to enjoy. But let me now delve into how it's funny that the American sportsystem is probably the most unamerican-thing there is though, especially compared to sports in all other parts of the world. I mean isn't part of the American Dream that working hard pays in the long run and should be enjoyed and celebrated? I mean that's the capitalist viewpoint on which America was built. But, looking at how the drafts work, I'd even go as far as saying that the American Sports tradition is very communistic in its approach to talent and budgets. Whereas you're now criticizing the European bigger clubs for just that.
@@moonman9450yeah fr, MLS is trying to grow soccer and if a team gets relegated all the fans will just go back to watching basketball (American) football hockey baseball etc. Relegation works when that's a towns identity and its one of the most popular sports. soccer's in 5th place for sports in the us currently
@@Jack-sq6xb having closer ties to fans through relegation and promotion will help that all american sports team are just weird hollow corporate shells right now, no reason to feel tied to them.
I mean every other US sport has those so it makes sense. US sports are built around parity in both competition and profit (revenue sharing, etc.) It really makes sense from a business perspectivem
So I’m from San Diego and we were supposed to get one in 1996. Long story short, the deal fell through and it’s been in and out talks between stadium owners and mls for a long time. I can tell you there is a lot of excitement for this team but half a billion dollars is way to much for a team. I do believe relegation and promotion would bring mls to the next level
well for now it wont happen since the MLS compared to top soccer leagues in the world was created recently so i think they need to expand more and get things ready as well as more organized b4 it can happen, half a million dollars is wild as well.
If they had relegation, no one would have bought the san diego team,they might have gone down after their first yr, and then get stuck in usl for 3-5 yrs , , that might be a deathknell for any new team,
Bro man city win the title every year, it’s not about hard work. How do you explain wrexhams rise just hard work right no big $ investment. Newcastle bought by Saudi elite a year or two later their in champions league. Just a coincidence based on hard work right? There’s is so much more disparity of champions in American club sports. I can name 12 clubs in England prem that have no chance of finishing top 4 doesn’t matter how hard they work bigger clubs are way richer and outspend them that’s why man United and Liverpool are toward the top of the table every single year. Nottingham could work a billion times harder than city next year. City will still win the league….
Everyone here seems to want promotion and relegation. You find that in every other league on earth, so don’t let me stop you from supporting those leagues. But look around the world… the traditional model leads to 1-3 teams from the largest cities winning every single year for your entire life. The US system of a set top league pared with strong salary caps brings parity and gives smaller markets not only the ability to stay in the league but to compete to win it. Stay unique in the world MLS. It will keep paying off over the long run.
@@fingmoron that’s why I said trying the more attention it gets online more likely it is so get proper funding and a actually decent league will relegation battles multiple different leagues and some cool chants and stuff can eventually happen
Relegation will never happen. The teams already bought in so they’re never going to accept the possibility of being sent down. The league is designed to survive in an environment that was hostile to soccer. Before MLS the teams would be formed when soccer was popular then go bankrupt in 5 years once people in that town lost interest. MLS figured out that if they all shared revenue in a single league they’d be able to grow without risk of going under. So it attracted more investment because it was seen as less risk. Now that soccer is popular the flip side is happening where now the league is having trouble establishing teams because of the high up front costs. MLS and US Soccer prefers a small captive audience that spends more money rather than a large audience that spends less. They really aren’t interested in getting soccer to every corner of the country.
@@fingmoron”All money driven” 😂 And European leagues aren’t? In Europe all the best players go to the club with the most money. In the US players are fairly drafted, the worst teams get the best players to make the league more fair. Players are also traded rather than bought. Don’t speak on things you know nothing about 🤡
I think the MLS should adopt the same concept as the Premier or La Liga . At me myself I would be in love if teams in the MLS go to second division and others teams from the second division go to the Pro league.
Sacramento needs a MLS team ngl, as a Sacramento Republic fan, Republic needs to be MLS abut if it wasn’t for the Pittsburgh Penguins owner, we would’ve been MLS.
Just having one league where no teams are fighting for relegation, no americas tournaments, is a borefest. If they change the format, it'll be a little more interesting.
That will never happen in the US. The American sports model has always been about business. They will never risk the investment with relegation. NFL, MLB, and all the rest of them are run in such American ideas.
@@yannickdellaert1616tell that to Brazilians with a country as large as theirs, yet they manage to make it work with relegation and produce the best players in the world at the same time.
Unwise decision by MLS to award SD as 30th team. We shall see by how SD will be viable MLS team. There are other North America cities to award an MLS franchise.
nah the games are boring players have no incentive to overachieve it will always be a retirement legue winning the league is like being the toughest kid in 5th grade
MLS needs relegation. Literally no major league takes US football seriously without it. How can MLS expect to attract fans from around the globe without it.
Why would relegation be the sole factor in “attracting fans around the globe”? And are you sure no major league takes the MLS seriously? Theres been quite a few players that came up through the MLS such as Miguel Almiron (who won POTM in the premier league) Jack Harrison (who was Leeds star man), as well as Alphonso Davies, Tyler Adams, and Zack Steffen,
@@yesd2024 players aren’t the league lol. Son is a great player, do people think the South Korean league is amazing? And yes, relegation would actually make the rest of the world look at the MLS and go “oh now it’s a proper football league”.
@@c.l.visions2581 dont you think if people never took the mls seriously, they wouldn’t be playing for these top leagues? Also Heung-Min Son never played professionally in South Korea 💀
Not to mention, the MLS is already the 2nd biggest league in all of the americas right behind Brazil, and gets a shit ton of latin american prospects coming such as Facundo Torres and Ezequiel Barco
People forget the league is split into east and west and 30 is alot but that's only 15 in each conference. The US is just geographically much much larger than the UK, Spain, etc so in practice it's pretty functional. I know people want pro rel but realistically it won't happen. I'm all for it don't get me wrong but as of right now with how the mls is still trying to popularize pro soccer in the US, it would be absolute chaos trying to prep most second division teams for mls and some mls teams would absolutely collapse if they were relegated. The infrastructure just doesn't exist consistently accross the board. That and statistically pro rel doesn't have the effect on competition that most people believe it does anyway. Generally the best players go to the best teams who never have to worry and the worst players end up on the teams that do have to worry. That's not exactly a recipe for improving the competition (at least in the 1st division) as much as it is for a chaotic scramble at the end of the season. Which I agree would be exciting.
Will never happen. NBA, nfl, nhl, mlb don't have it and mls won't have it either. Owners can't handle the financial failure of being relegated in the states nor want that.
@@SantomPh not in America bro so too bad for you. Did you not just read the leagues that don't do it? They're all in America. Hence it will never happen.
@@hostility3404plus, all of the leagues you mentioned, have been successful without pro/rel for over 60+ years and continue to bring in the best players in the world every season.
you can't have a promotion based league in what is the 5th most popular league in the US, and the gap between 4 and 5 is huge. Investments are too big and the country is geographically too big to have relegation, it would be the death of a lot of teams if they went down to a 2nd league and stayed there because people from that area would just watch one of the 4 larger sports.
It's not needed, just look at the NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB. Most of these leagues from their perspective sport have been around for 60+ years and still going strong without pro/rel.
So they’ll never add relegation. Teams that spend 450m to just enter the league will never allow it. They don’t care about quality it’s all about money and adds
Imagine a relegation/promotion system between MLS and USL. That would be dope to watch. We would be getting crazy underdog stories like Leicester. Unfortunately that won't happen tho because MLS owners are only going to care about money.
This is franchising, the high price tags are just set by the league because they control everything, because of no relegation. Awful format for fans and for quality of football, great for money
Now that they have 30 teams it would be very cool if they adopted the system they have in Europe. For example have one season where the 30 teams compete. Then on the following season the 15 teams that did worst would be regulated into a second division league. From there continue with the traditional format.
Yeah no. Promotion/relegation sucks. US leagues are much more fair than European leagues. Instead of all the best players being bought up by the 4 teams with the most money, the teams are created to be more equal in skill level. In the US, the best young players are drafted to the worst pro teams to even the playing field. Also the US can host way more teams than a European country because the US has a higher population
@@michaeltnk1135I love the idea of pro/reg but it’s “not good for profit”. It would be cool if it was a pro/reg league with the top 4 in each conference to square off in a playoff.
The absence of pro/rel in the US plus Canada is Absolutely the path to dominance at the very highest level, and I truly hope that some country or group of countries in Europe will one day decide to take the American model and run with it. It would probably have to be a group of countries, but this model does give you better success over time.
for you maybe, clearly there is money to be made for others. Therefore investments are coming in fast and hard. These investors are coming from all over the world. The US has the biggest sporting market in the world. Just wait and see.
@@NahSonUrGood The American market just loves watching 40 minutes of ads and 10 minutes of actual action, that's the only real reason people invest in American sports. After that there is nothing interesting happening, an irrelevant league in wich everyone is secured to never suffer and overall never win anything impressive, or in other words, "actually boring".
