I played V-Rising with a friend of mine, it is similar to Valheim but a top down version. We played on our own server that I hosted (which gives your IP address out lol) and it was fun to play together. Definitely a game that is good with a friend group or someone who likes playing hard(ish) solo games (maybe like Elden Ring/Dark Souls in general). At many points, things became tedious so I just enabled the admin console and it would help us to get point A to B, especially being a duo it made it harder for boss fights.
If you try Eve you need to do so with a group of friends. Solo you'll be bored off of your tits in less than a day. With a group of friends it can be one of the best out there..
Call me hater or whatever, but putting FF14 at the top of all the other MMOs is a shame. Don't get me wrong, it is good, but just not as glorious as people say it is.
because some people just enjoy games. so many people will insta hate games for just one single reason without looking at anything else the game has to offer. and i can guarantee that the majority of people that voted it into F haven't even touched the game.
It's almost hard to accept that these are the best MMOs on the market today. The options are incredibly underwhelming considering we live in an age that, one would imagine, is ideal for developing and successfully marketing MMOs.
New World was supposed to be exactly what everyone hoped for, and then they pooped the bed on literally everything. Inflation went insane, glitches were everywhere, QoL was terrible, griefing was rampant (using glitches too so no way to fight back). I think the gaming industry is in a terrible state right now. Just look at how amped everyone is for Baldurs gate when that quality of game should literally be the norm.
@@MyName-Jeff That level of quality wasn't the norm 10, 20 or even 30 years ago. There has always been trash around, every decade. People just have selective memory
i love that osrs was so high, people often just instantly shut it down due to the graphics but the game itself is actually very good and has all the qualities a good mmo needs
My all time favourite. I love GW2 as well but it just doesn't compare to GW1. I was thoroughly invested in the story and lore, and the build customisation was crazy good.
@@KineticCalvaria Yeah, I was hooked on GW1 for a very long time because of the incredible build customization. GW2 just couldn't keep me. The limitations of the more restrictive system just don't interest me.
Guildwars 1 gets my vote as my enjoyed mmo of all time I love the structured PvP where you could make an instantly viable PvP character from the get go.
Wow, happy to see that GW2 is still kicking! What an amazing game, an ever-changing event world with so much to give. V Rising is a really good game too, highly recommending it if anyone hasn't tried it out yet.
GW2 is the only MMO on the market that still FEELS like an MMO imo, and that’s why I love it. The gameplay just incentivizes socializing and group content everywhere. Where games like WoW, FFXIV have kinda drifted away towards instanced group content rather than open world group content like partying up for quests and the like.
Great content! I suggest making a new tier list, not based on what has the most %, but instead move the bar higher or lower on the list based on the + or - rating. For example, if a game has 50% of S tier and 50% f tier, then place it in the middle, a B tier. Or if a game has lots of S and lots of B, put in A tier. Something like that. Just a suggestion :)
Hey Peon, thanks for the video. I think it might be a good idea for any potential future videos like this to calculate the average of people's votes, rather than using the most popular answer. To give an over the top example, if there is an mmo that got 40% of the votes in the F tier, 30% in the A tier and 30% in the S tier, it would be put into the F tier, even though 60% of the community (the majority) love it. So I think the average would give us a more accurate result.
@@TheLazyPeon can you just redo the video with this methodology? Your current approach is totally wrong and totally skews the results. If you want me to crunch the numbers I can do so
@@sisqomisqo2019 we do have challneging content. End of dragons strikes first 1 and 3 is easiest 2 is second hardest and harvest temple is the hardest of the all and not that many have cleared it
FF11 was my first mmo. I think if it was f2p people would've voted it higher but as it stands an F seems appropriate. I think it was really a "you had to be there" mmo. Anyone who played ff11 at peak has truly unique memories of the game. Things you could never experience in the games current form... but the game's sountrack is 100% S tier.
One thing I loved about Lineage 2 was the clans I stay loyal to my clan we had a great clan leader she and her other half where great; the events where awesome talking to them before hand and choosing a side of the story we wanted to progress on the server and then doing quests together then also partaking in Clan battles for zones was just fun being part getting a discount if we won and helped the major clan defend or defeat the other clan was neat also. Wow will always be my go to MMO; I played a lot of the other MMOs but the max about 1/2months with my ex she liked them but would always go back to wow. I guess once you've invested into one MMO its hard to reinvest into another. Edit. The biggest problem with MMO is that the players normally don't have a direct line of commutation to the Dev team to change the world towards something everyone can invest into.
I would've loved to see a tierlist based not on majority votes, but based on average placement. I feel like that would've given a more accurate depiction of where the community as a whole believes a game should go within the list on average. Otherwise great video. Here's how the tierlist would look if it were based on average ranking: _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ S: A: Final Fantasy XIV (4.48) Guild Wars 2 (4.32) World of Warcraft: Dragon Flight (4.08) B: Old School Runescape (3.74) World of Warcraft: WotLK Classic (3.69) Elder Scrolls Online (3.56), New World (3.42) Lost Ark (3.29) V Rising (3.24) Albion Online (3.12) Star Wars the Old Republic (3.06) Black Desert Online (3.02) C: Guild Wars 1 (2.84) Runescape 3 (2.69) Lord of the Rings Online (2.66) EVE Online (2.59) Maplestory (2.49) Warhammer Online RoR (2.31) Final Fantasy XI (2.27) Neverwinter (2.13) Dungeons & Dragons Online (2.07) Lineage 2 (2.05) Archeage (2.05) D: PSO2 New Genesis (1.93) Tower of Fantasy (1.91) Blade & Soul (1.9) Project: Gorgon (1.9) RIFT (1.86) Conquerors Blade (1.78) AION (1.73) Vindictus (1.61) DC Universe Online (1.66) The Secret World(1.61) Mortal Online 2 (1.56) Undecember (1.56) Adventure Quest 3D (1.53) Embers Adrift (1.33) Sword of Legends Online (1.33) Allods Online (1.28) Skyforge (1.26) Metin 2 (1.22) Riders of Icarus (1.18) F: Bless Unleashed (0.96) Diablo Immortal (0.81) League of Angels 4 (0.76) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Method used: ((F⋅0+D⋅1+C⋅2+B⋅3+A⋅4+S⋅5)÷5)⋅6 S = 5-6 A = 4-5 B = 3-4 C = 2-3 D = 1-2 F = 0-1 Some of the results might be very slightly off due to a lack of exact % numbers on some of the voted tiers, though it wouldn't be enough to change the tier itself, at most impacting only the ranking within the tier in some cases (which even then would probably be off by only about 0.01 for most of those cases).
@@antoinegezod That's not why I play games :) at the end of the day I need something relaxing to unwind and just exploring a beautiful world is perfect for me
I loved Aion so much, because is one of the few games where if you die, it hurts a lot, the adrenaline of not beeign killed in high rank to get better gear I have never experienced in any other game. However, any recomendation for a new pvp experience?
To this day I think Rift had the potential to be S tier with a big playerbase, but they just dropped the ball on so many aspects and weren't able to keep up with the competition at the time. Really is a shame that there's no chance for a comeback either once Gamigo gets is paws on a game
It’s super sad how true this is about so many games. So many people have this same viewpoint about their fave expected game. I think every developer should take notes from Fortnite - that game blew up not just because of Ninja but because they updated SO OFTEN… stayed so flipping culturally relevant (which not all games need to do but it proved their reaction speed was legendary), released new weapons and modes… just very genius “reaction design” I might call it. Dragonflight has been similar from what I’ve read, updating fairly often, and adjusting broken classes and the like. You have to stay so proactive with your design, it’s possibly the only way to keep your game alive, and certainly to keep your game rising to the top!
@@bradyvilhauer4445yeah but their updates were usually small things like skins and I can't agree because some genres do not need things like skins for update but smth big instead And smth big can't be rushed as we saw with Destiny 2 Lightfall
@@andrijanastic1480 I see what you're saying, not at all saying every game needs to do exactly what fortnite did. I think skins are actually pretty powerful; a huge part of gaming is people making things that look cool to them, so options help. But skins cost money to design, as do expansions. I think there are such thing as bad ideas as well. But it seems to me that games that cease to update SOMETHING in a great way, fairly often, tend to fall by the wayside. And I think a lot of "show me the money" financial people and parent companies simply do not realize why people game. They get too stuck on the business and fall behind.
I feel like this should have been made as a median value of the votes, rather than the largest group to get a more accurate representation. Luckily the data is available so one can make such a list on their own. Thanks for the video! :)
@@ArgumentumAdHominem C is an average score and most mmo are, in fact, average. Most things are actually average. That's why it's average. I don't think a video like that would be boring. It would probably be.... average. How many times can I say average?? averageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverageaverage.... A lot.
@@njnjco Might we call the amount of averages, above average? Then I mean above average amounts of averages, the word average that is....in a quite averaged sentence? and the sentence is indeed average in length.
I've picked op guildwars 2 again recently after a few years and I'm having a blast. The amount of content is insane and the horizontal progression system is amazing. Also, it has by far the best and most friendly community
i dont think most friendly on gw2, i think its of FFXIV i play gw2 a lot and got really toxic people on city especially on raid and fractal thing while in FFXIV i dont find anyone insult in game at all
@@ylethyrbrekan5993 cringe is the best description of the FFXIV community. I was almost thankful of how instanced and single player orientated the game was but then the mind numbingly boring story and gameplay just switched me off from the game completely. If I ever return I'll be buying story skips I think
i like your list as i feel we have the same taste for mmos following your channel. thanks for helping me pick a new mmo to play! do more thailand updates as i've been thinking myself of moving countries to start a new life and thailand has been on my top of the list.
Hey Peon I've been watching you since the early days of when you were making wow content. I love your work and its great to see you grow over the years. Keep up the good work !
I check your channel once or twice a year, and holy shit you changed! Must have been a lot of hard work getting yourself in shape like that. You are unrecognizable.
Looking to get into playing an MMORPG. I had never played one before. I was thinking of either Runescape ( not the old-school Runescape cant deal with those graphics) or World of Warcraft. Also, looking for the game to be free or very cheap don't want to spend a lot of money on the game, and I'm not looking to pay for any in-game purchases. I also don't want it to be super complex. Any Recommendations?
I think it would be nice to show the community votes as a bar graph so you can see the distribution of votes. Then you can actually compare votes horizontally to see which A tier was leaning towards S tier and put them in order in each tier.
I think averaging out the votes to get the rank would make more sense, should a game really be considered A tier if most of the total votes were in the lower categories for example?
@@gergokerekes4550 So you'd invalidate peoples votes just because you don't agree with them? All the votes together create the whole picture of how the game stands.
@@Frost_Saber my man, you are insane if you think there would not be quite a big bunch of people who have never played a certain game yet would vote it 0 becouse it is not "their" game. just look at elden rings reviews when it got the award over gow, tons of 0 points, yes it is an opinion but it is worthless and meaningless.
@@Frost_Saber this is the most weird one here. if 40% vote F tier. but 30%S tier and 30% A-tier, then he would present it as F tier? very very weird ranking.
Great video! I think a 1-10 rating system where you the result is the average rating from all the survey results might be more accurate than doing a first past the post tier rating
It surprises me to this day that not a single mmo list I have seen includes Dark age of camelot, i mean everquest and such was also skipped but Dark of camelot still has people playing and I still believe it has one of the best PvP elements to in comparision to even mmos to date. Maybe its niche idk but would love someone to atleast mention it.
I want to start, but I don't know if I should. Do you think it's worth starting to play? I'm talking about whether it's normal to play as a beginner and whether it will be supported in the coming years
@@iskyss3 plenty of new players coming in recently so you are not alone and the player base is pretty nice and helpful so don't you worry about "sticking out as a noob" somewhere; according to devs, the next expac is already in production and they are recently talking often about making gw2 future proof so it's fair to say it'll probably be supported for a while
I think it'd be interesting to see the average scores determine the tier list. Sure something may have the most C-Tier votes, but additional A B votes should push that score up.
Funny you say that, I just wasted way too much time using the stats from his video to do exactly that lol. Here are the results in case you're still interested: _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ S: A: Final Fantasy XIV (4.48), Guild Wars 2 (4.32), World of Warcraft: Dragon Flight (4.08) B: Old School Runescape (3.74), World of Warcraft: WotLK Classic (3.69), Elder Scrolls Online (3.56), New World (3.42), Lost Ark (3.29), V Rising (3.24), Albion Online (3.12), Star Wars the Old Republic (3.06), Black Desert Online (3.02) C: Guild Wars 1 (2.84), Runescape 3 (2.69), Lord of the Rings Online (2.66), EVE Online (2.59), Maplestory (2.49), Warhammer Online RoR (2.31), Final Fantasy XI (2.27), Neverwinter (2.13), Dungeons & Dragons Online (2.07), Lineage 2 (2.05), Archeage (2.05) D: PSO2 New Genesis (1.93), Tower of Fantasy (1.91), Blade & Soul (1.9), Project: Gorgon (1.9), RIFT (1.86), Conquerors Blade (1.78), AION (1.73), Vindictus (1.61), DC Universe Online (1.66), The Secret World(1.61), Mortal Online 2 (1.56), Undecember (1.56), Adventure Quest 3D (1.53), Embers Adrift (1.33), Sword of Legends Online (1.33), Allods Online (1.28), Skyforge (1.26), Metin 2 (1.22), Riders of Icarus (1.18) F: Bless Unleashed (0.96), Diablo Immortal (0.81), League of Angels 4 (0.76) _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Method used: ((F*0+D*1+C*2+B*3+A*4+S*5)/5)*6 S = 5-6 A = 4-5 B = 3-4 C = 2-3 D = 1-2
Fiesta online was my first MMO back when it was run by outspark instead of gamigo, looking back it’s not great compared to other MMOs but I still have a lot of nostalgia for it. I remember my 12 year old self loving the experiences.
I remember fiesta under outspark....it was amazing and I was about the same age maybe younger. the art and graphics were pretty cool wish i could go back to those days
I started playing Secret World Legends a few months ago, and I've been thoroughly enjoying it. It's different from most MMOs, even if the community is practically dead. As someone who has played a lot of irritatingly similar MMOs, I find SWL's uniqueness to be refreshing.
I’ve been playing psongs for about 2 months and I think it’s a great game. Probably my favorite combat system of any other mmo I’ve played. However, it does lack a lot in content. I think if they continue to add more content over the next few years it could get way better.
It's cool to see by votes what mmo's are voted the best. I'm surprised Vindictus was voted so low but also surprised it's known enough to be on this list. Vindictus is my favorite game of all time. There are a lot of games I play on this list weather I've played them for an hour or a hundred hours. Keep up the good work
I gave EVE online a healthy run in 2019, with about 500 hours played when the Triglavian update happened. It was like Mythic+ dungeons being added to the game for those that wanted a challenge. At the end of each 10-minute run you got to enter a pvp pocket of space and if you wanted to stick around for a few minutes, could wait for a challenger to appear. 1v1 only, and only one ship gets to leave alive. Good fun. Overall, EVE is perfect as a game to hole up in your corner of the galaxy and either welcome or shoot-on-sight visitors into your home. You can choose to join a guild (corporation) to do this on a larger scale. As a solo player, you’ll find the most fun doing exploration into wormholes, which puts you deep into random quadrants of space where you can then go treasure hunting, or hunt other players. Best thing about eve is latency doesn’t matter. So everyone around the world plays together on one server.
Man wormhole space and relic data hacking made me feel cool as fuck on eve, it was the first time I put so much effort into a video game learning about game systems. Most games I go straight for pvp but in eve i fucking suck at it no idea why.
Cool summary!! Eve always intrigued me and had such an insanely strong playerbase. It is so niche and seemingly complex. I’m happy for it & its community
albion online is just like eve but with swords and magic but it have the same guilds drama pvp full loot fights ganking zvz wars all in one server and a lot of other things
Great video and I've played near all of the mmo's on this list and the game that has been keeping me playing mmo's surprisingly is guild wars 2. I actually hated guild wars 2 back when it was a new game but after revisiting it and seeing how much content they have to offer and few of my friends play it daily with an active guild of cool folks. I give it a 6/10 due to graphics starting to feel a bit dated. However the amount of fun I have is easily a 9/10 for gw2 exploration, dynamic events, strikes and wvw. The world feels like it's alive and breathing during events and world bosses which is rare in most mmo's tbh. Specially old starting zones.
GW2 could easly get S tier once Arenanet(the devs) rework the World vs World game mode. There is a lot of potential in there, and if they play their cards right, gw2 could explode in popularity.
I'm still waiting for a western style mmorpg with tera combat. The RNG pray to the gods enchanting that was needed to progress with grind to grind to grind some more really really really killed the game. But to this day I still can't play any mmorpg without missing it's combat.
If we had it in 2011 I would say that Tera Online would be A or B because when it launched, this game was incredible. PS: you put the diablo immortal garbage and forgot about the pathof exile!
I find it really interesting that even though the community tends to be very vocal about combat systems and how important they are, that this poll of the community didnt place any significant weight on action combat systems.
I remember watching a friend of mine playing what I think was a MMORPG. But I can't remember what the name of it was. I remember he could create several characters, and I remember that there was a spell thing at the bottom middle of the screen (one or two rows, I don't fully remember). Also this was in like 2012, 2013, 2014, or 2015 iirc. (Also it wasn't space, etc, it was some fantasy thing, also I remember some gigant bird iirc) I hope I can one day find it, and that it's still online.
It's overwhelming for me to see GW2 that high! I used to learn reading by playing it back in 2012... It's been a long time and it still holds the most precious memories for me
@@veo16 You can consider it one of the best mmo only after bying all dlc. Without dlc its just sad. No dlc means no mounts , no interesting and strong classes and a lot more.
For me GW2 was nothing more than Aion. I would put them in the same tier. Personally they didn't bring anything different from one another. Both just as bad
@@bdawg2592 I tried to log into a few years back and do RA which was a favorite of mine but it was dead . The MAT was half bots and half real people which was awesome. Obs mode was really before it's time. It's similar to twitch. And the gvg has some striking similarities to a MOBA. I think alot of people get that same experience in a moba game without the grind but my fondest memories were pveing together with my guild and then pvping with me as well. I think this is missing. Gw2 also did nothing for me personally which is sad. I'm glad I'm not alone in my praise for gw1 though
I think if people dedicated enough time for runescape 3 and properly observed pvm mechanics and quests they would easily rank it as at least A tier. Some stories there are really amazing. For pvming the issue is that high end pvm is locked behind lots and lots of hours to entry and many more until you master it and most do not get to see how awesome fighting a boss can feel. Casuals stop after trying out 4-5 bosses which are decades old . Intricate mechanics, having a particular spell save you from a gigantic boss that you are 1v1-ing, seeing how smooth it is and realizing how nice of a flow there is for fighting bosses is a thing that a lot of people miss.
Almost all MMOs suffer from the "The show gets good on episode 200" thing. Just the nature of the genre. I'm glad it brings joy to folks who made it to episode 200, but it's definitely not something myself nor most will enjoy.
MTX is the only thing that keeps rs3 from been a high A mmo. It has thousands of hours of varied, traceable, non buyable completions content. A unique skilling system, with great depth.
I wonder where one of my favourite old MMOs, Dark Age of Camelot, would have rated. I haven't played the game in many many years and I'm not even sure if it still has a player base but my goodness it was fantastic.
Such a good vid man - perfect mix of your opinion and community opinion. The effort you put into these vids is very apparent and you're an asset to the community.
I agree that doing a community to your list is good. What I don't like about tier lists is the ambiguous rating system. My encouragement would be create a new rating system instead of s through f
You should have stated that only people who played each game can vote. Lotro and Swtor both deserve an A tier if anything for the IP and world building in a still going official mmo. Also you skipped over everquest, everquest project 1999, and SW Galaxy emu private server.
Cool idea using the community to vote, it seemed a lot more accurate than I thought it would be. I agree with your list as well. Though I think the ratings of MMOs aren't so relevant to those niche audiences who are looking for once specific thing. Perhaps an idea you could do is an MMO flow chart, like if you want pay to win, then you go down the line with BDO league of angels or w/e, if you want gear grind down the FF14 and WoW line, horizontal progression then GW2.
@@spaaaaace8952 sorry im not making distinctions between mmos i dont know much about? But getting offended someone says BDO is pay to win is maybe not it man
I downloaded Tower Of Fantasy. However, you cannot change keybinds, they block you. The keyboard comes all messed up and you cannot change it unless you do something advanced.
seeing this list i'm glad i play some of these games it's pretty scary that the old ones keep so high and newer ones are trying but just lack what people want lol
BDO has surprisingly improved a lot over the year of 2022, so many quality of life updates. Excited to see the new zone, apparently there will be boss type grind zones instead of mindlessly killing monsters in circles. If it's well made, it can go a long way for the game's future.
Yeah, I really think they've started to find a good direction with the game now. Considering the sheer number of good changes they've put out recently I think BDO's potential is higher than ever.
Too bad that they have no idea about balancing and seem to make changes randomly, lahn striker and berserk have been top tier pve for years now and lets look at sage, he gets buffed to actually decent 2 weeks pass and hes getting nerfed
@@TimberlyPL i dunno if im playing a different game... but imo BDO it's '' pretty '' balanced. For sure there are some classes that do bigger numbers just due to their kit.... for exmaple im a Tamer main since 3 years.... i put almsot the same numbers as my GM wich is a zerk main ober 3 years too... in side PvE all classes are near to eachother... just enjoy the thing you have fun with... and i forgot to mention ... i know maegu and woosa came out and they a bit overtuned especially maegu but they gonna nerf her anyways and it will be balanced... in my opinion the really going into the perfect direction ... they changed it so much into good with all thee changes compared to a year or two ago
What will be the S tier MMO coming soon, in your opinion? I put a ton of time into GW2 and I have been really wanting a new game to dig in to but it's been so long waiting! There seem to be a lot of great promises coming soon. What's your opinion?
@@user-np6ol2vw4q im 19, love osrs but not sure why i've poured over a thousand hours into it. something about the progression, charm and obstacles of the game
Very Nice video P ! personally I play Guild War 2and Lost Ark but mainly GW2 cause i found the best pvp experience in Arena and in the open, the possibility of creating your own classe with a great variety of builds and weapons make it a unique game. The Pve is good too, the mount systeme is maybe the best out there... Lost Ark in the other part have the most hard core donjon out there that s why i still playing it XD
I'm really excited about the DGaaS model. I think it's the future of gaming and I'm glad to see that The Legends of Bezogia is at the forefront of this innovation.
can anyone explain me black desert, maybe i am just stupid, but for me its just talking simulator, i didnt have a chance for a proper fight, i was lost all the time. and yet, i still manage to get lvl 35 (i dont know if its low or high) please, if some of you love black desert, explain :D
@@GsxrNYX I have played more than 1000h too and the 80% solo. Im a lone wolf. I have friends that have the game too but they barely play. The community is too good and people will join you to help on whatever you need. If it looks amazing to you, give it a try, it is really better than it looks and you would enjoy playing solo a lot. (sry for my english)
As a GW2 main, I always love seeing the outpouring of love and passion our XIV cousins have for their game; sure, we have our own as well, but you guys from XIV have a really unique and wonderful way of showing it and it is just really wonderful to see.
and as someone who primarily plays ffxiv, im really looking forward to joining GW2 fans. out of all the mmos i think its my lowkey favorite. just gotta convince my friends to try it.
after i read you're comment i tried GW2 and i have to say, its a solide game yeah the free trial is not my taste but its the same with our free trial in XIV maybe i will buy the extention one days to fully play the game
I feel like warhammer should be at the same tier as Albion, they kind of serve the same purpose with both being the secondary mmo you play on the side. Also warhammer has an active massive pvp scene that is rare to see nowadays even with new world being around.
I agree with your Tier List way more than the communities, like astoundingly more, with a few exceptions. AQ3D I probably would have switched it with ToF, while AQ3D is really basic, it still had its classic AQ charm, personality and humor which was great for a decent 1 off adventure, but it really wasnt good for any more than that. and I woulda put ToF in F tier because really, there was just nothing that stood out to me. GW1 and LotRO I prolly would have put in the B Tier, while they are old and their age is apparent sometimes they are still a very enjoyable experience with LotRO still receiving updates, I regard LotRO because they really nailed the atmosphere and feel for adventure like hardly anything else. For me GW1 has always stuck by me, growing up playing it, so some of my bias may show in my fondness of the game, however with that said, I have started getting back into it(to finish getting the cosmetics for GW2) it still holds up really well with a healthy player base in spite of its age. I do have to knock it down a little cause it isnt technically an MMO though other than that, I feel like your personal Tier list is VERY accurate to how I feel as well (edit) looking back you added NW and ESO to A tier... personally I was a little disappointed by ESO however, I feel like it was a solid B tier, it was that bad, but there also wasnt a lot that put it up there on my list, with games like GW2, FF14 or even Albion. and New World... It was pretty bad, but the harvesting and crafting was satisfying and combat had a bit of weight to it, but it kinda lacked any thing else, Solid C tier at best tbh. and then recently, a buddy of mine convinced me to try it out again "because of the improvements". I did, and was appalled, the crafting that I actually kinda enjoyed was broken -_- that sapped all of my enjoyment from the game for the rest of my time and honestly I wouldnt play it again, while not as bad as diablo immortal I have a hard time believing D tier in the state it was in. When I looked up what was happening at the time, apparently several(almost 6 months prior) there was a bug, where sometimes your model would not face the crafting table and if this were the case, every crafting attempt always failed. well, they fixed this, so now your model no longer faced away from the table when you crafted... instead sometimes you would just no longer be able to craft, you would never know when this was going to happen anymore and the only way to know if your crafting was broken was to craft. the only solution I could find online was to just leave and come back until it worked... yeah... that sapped the hell out of what enjoyment I was getting and I quit... again. Sorry if that New World bit was a bit of a rant, I just couldn't let that disrespect slide (edit 2) I also noticed lost ark, I probably would put that in B Tier personally it was visually good and felt good, I just couldn't get into it, myself.
As a former Neverwinter player Im surprised it reached C tier, Id probably vote for D or F with all the crappy changes and monetization that keeps creeping in. After NW I migrated to FF14 and Im so happy to see it so close to S tier, Id definitely wouldve voted for S as well. My experience in the game has been great. I miss my guildies in NW but I cant with how shit the game became, when I migrated to FF14 the difference was night and day and it reinforced my decision. I only wish that NW got better, I wouldnt mind paying a monthly sub if it meant getting quality game play and design like in FF14.
@@Demandrer539 never played pvp but my guildies always complained about how dead pvp was. Its been a major complaint and as far as ive heard it hasnt received any updates that are meaningful. Its been a while since i payed any attention to updates tho so i could be wrong.
@@meow-wv9yc it indeed can get fetchy. The quests are slow too. I just like the rest of it, its what makes me look past the tediousness of the never ending fetch quests. I do get that its not for everyone tho and thats cool too :)
@@kylefracaro5087 The Sith? Which Sith? Agent? Yeah, it was adapted very nicely, but it's just Bauer + Bourne + Bond. Won't say no to it, but I also like to show how it is. Consular and Trooper got really short changed. Consular had a very nice idea about each of its Acts being representative of one Alternate Class(1=Sage, 2=Consular, 3=Shadow), but it wasn't implemented very proficiently. Trooper ... yeah, they really should've used bots more to simulate pseudo Republic Commando. Especially in Act 3. And should've relied less on intuitive leaps of logic. This is an action story, it don't belong here imo. My favorite? Smuggler, without a shade of doubt! Light Side Smuggler is just such a feel good, super fun romp in the Star Wars. What an experience!
It looks pretty accurate to me. I would've put GW2, WoW and FFXIV in the S tier just to create some distance between them and all others, and maybe moved up Aion to the C tier, but yeah pretty accurate.
If you're looking to try out Eve Online some helpful suggestions: Each part of the game has its own dynamics etc: Hi-Sec, LoSec, Nullsec and Wormholes. If new, be sure to join a corp/alliance with newbie classes, I went through Eve Uni and they got me to stick around.
Eve online is on another lvl... cant compare it to themepark mmos. I dont recommend it at all🤣. When I said to my friend that I was at eve uni and had classes with powerpoint slides it was immediate turn off.
I 100% agree with YOUR tier list. The community has so much emotion behind their game of choice and I understand that. I just feel like you’ve always had an unbiased take on MMOs.
unbiased? he put wow in A tier. classic and retail in A fking tier. mediocre overhyped nostalgia driven games. dragonflight is overrated and ppl are praising it bcuiz they had 3 terrible expansions before it. gw2, swtor and ff14 mops the floor with wow retail and classic. and all the normies and neckbeards saying otherwise just live in denial for 10+ years.
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it WoW is in A tier because it's the most popular game simple as, chud,but yeah, you're totally not in denial yourself LOL. A 14 year old re-release *alone* windmill dunks on FF - Naxxramas having 1.5x more raidlogs than the entirety of every single FF encounter tells you all you need to know, not even including Retail here. 😂🙂
best tier list video Ive seen. love the community and Peon version. I kinda agree with Peon mostly....great video. well done. much respect. just add star citizen. it actually has a really robust community playing it. I am and actually love it
I'd have averaged out each of the votes to determine the tier the game ended up on, rather than on whichever tier got the most votes. Either way, really interesting how the list ended up - not sure I agree with a lot of votes. 😅
Extra comment supporting GW2 c: Hoping it can continue to rise to become S tier. Went through so many MMO's over the years trying to find the right one. Constantly always came back to GW2 and have found its now the one I enjoy the most and will always have space in my heart for. I do struggle with it as a solo player sometimes, as being in a guild helps tremendously for endgame content and getting other things completed faster. However it definitely is playable solo, just need to find the right parties to join for endgame content.
@@Pivotwrath Yeh definitely in larger player areas. Though it is pretty friendly at least with what specs you need to join with on low graphics. I play with integrated graphics maxing out both my GPU and CPU but I still play with minimal lag, just low fps (about 30 at best in mistlock). Though my PC black screens trying to run DX11 in anything that isnt windowed mode sadly :c
Trove was pretty dope. It was so hack n slash plus a bit of adventure. I’ve always loved games where you can plop your home down in common areas like trove. Super cool concept, very very friend-driven (as in, playing with friends was aeons better than alone, imo)
Silkroad, oh boy so many memories, used to play it when I was around 14 until I ended up getting my account stolen. Not sure if it was the Chinese bot service that I used that keylogged me or my "gf" that I gave my password to, I think it was the latter. 💀🤦♂
People complaining about grind, bots and p2w who haven't played SRO just haven't seen anything yet. Goldfarmers were a mass plague, everyone used SBot (even botting 24/7 with it would take up to WAY OVER A YEAR to get level cap!) and premiumPLUS and that devil's ghost suit thing which made you float and made you get purple gas floating out/around you wrre required for PvP. Ohh and don't get me starting on alchemy, gosh the amount of gold you've had to sink to make sure your weapon didn't get destroyed after +5 was insane! And the most unbalanced classes of any game, certain skills (I'm looking at you warrior and cleric) had to be part of PvP etiquette to never be used because of how broken they were. Let's not forget Roc, a boss that not once afaik in the existense of iSRO has been beaten. How in the seven Hells I ever loved and enjoyed that piece of shit is beyond me, but did I have a good time!
I'm looking for a mmorpg like maplestory (I dont care about graphs), like in the drop same items with dif stats, scrolling them with % of succes and the most important player to player trading to sell those items equip, use, etc. Pls help me;(
I feel like to get an accurate judge of where the rankings belong, you would have needed to average out the ratings and compare them against each other. But I acknowledge that would be a lot more work on your part.
I personally would put ONLY Old School Runescape in the S tier because it still captures the heart of what an MMORPG is. Right now a MMOs define an MMORPG by certain features, namely: leveling zones with linear quests to progress to the "real game" which is raids and dungeons. However, I do not think features define an MMORPG and you get into rather limiting game design if you do. This is true for FFXIV as well, which in my opinion has a horrible leveling experience that is veiled by a legitimately good story. However, this is not the case for Old School Runescape as it emphasizes the "RPG" part of MMORPG and has fantastic storylines as well (although definitely not as emotional). That being said, the monotony of the grind, the graphics, and gameplay of combat (especially for earlier content) can definitely steer people away from the game which is a justified reason to put it in A tier.
I am surprised Secret World Legends didn't even make it to the list. I know its not one of the most played, liked, or known MMOs but Id think it would still be better ranked than a lot of those that were mentioned. Compared to the list you have I think it would fit in the D or even C category.
Fun format! If you're mathematically inclined, it would be interesting to use a weighting system (%Svotes * 6 + %Avotes * 5 +...). It could better classify games that have say 30% voting C, 29% voting D, and 29% voting F, where the most people did vote C, but overall sentiment seems to lean more as a D. Of course, the score boxes would have to shift a bit toward the center since people can't vote higher than an S or lower than an F (S wouldn't be able to be just 5.5-6 with A as 4.5-5.5, etc)
2022 had been a very strong year for GW2-that is compared to its previous years anyway. But it really needs to keep up the momentum and release actual, new content. There's been some QoL changes, class balance changes and some form of revitalization of old content like Living World S1, as well as the alliance betas for WvW, all of which are great. I hope that the new LW chapter is solid and high quality so that we know they are committed to giving us quality new content going forward. The latest expansion is decent, but Heart of Thorns and Path of Fire amazed me in various ways that End of Dragon didn't. That's something I'd like to see changed, even if it comes from the LW episodes.
GW2 is a great game, but the colors make me blind. Every time I started it I felt like after looking at a flashbang in counterstrike. But I can fully recommend it for the content. I was beta tester back then, and it was the only MMO I played till the end, because I don't got bored.
@@realcolormusic the colors can be quite bright, however you can make them significantly darker by going into settings>graphics> and turn off postprocessing.
Only played 11 out of those MMOs but the overall ranking in both the community vote and your personal vote are pretty fair. What people might forget is that everyone has different interests in an MMO. For some the content has the highest importance. Some put high standards on the visuals and some need a flawless action combat system. I personally value visuals and combat the most which is why Lost Ark is currently the best MMO for me. It has limited weekly-restricted content which might be a negative for many people but I don't mind it. BnS was just amazing at launch and the content of WoW is simply amazing. Just a little sad to see Metin2, my childhood game, to be F Tier but I can see why. It's just hardcore p2w and very very old which makes it unplayable nowadays if you're not an old fan of it.
can relate i would love to play like a remake of metin2, now there are only people that spend money on itemshop or bots . I remeber gold times of metin there were so many shops on main channel that your pc was lagging hah
You could make an argument to say that none of the games in the list would even exist without EQ and DAoC. They are that influential and important. Everyone knows about EQ, even if you havent played it
the main issue with either one is - you need to pay to actually enjoy the games otherwise you're painfully stuck in f2p (id say the worst being eq2) - THOUGH the one benefit to paying is you get 4 game subs for 1 price...
"An expansion that people seem to be reviewing very positively early on." Could be used to describe almost every WoW Expansion. I think Cata is the only one I can think of that people immediately hated lol.
The last couple expansions have all been shit talked before they even came out, for good reasons. Dragonflight is the first good expansion since Legion.
@@dabo150 Bro stop lying, the vast mayority of WoW players love the first 3 months of a new expansion release and always talk good stuff (literally dicksuck blizzard) about it as if it was the best expansion ever. Then they either quit the game for 2 years or start bitching about all the problems of the expansion on the 3th month. This has happened with **Every single WoW expansion.**
People hated it, but now they look back and go “ehhh, it wasn’t really that bad” - mostly because it just kept getting worse for years I personally loved cata
When you make the 2024 MMO TIer list, please be so kind as to include Fantasy World Souls. It's a new MMO, which was released a couple weeks after you made this video. It looks promising, and I want your opinion on this one. Thank you in advance.
