Moana Jackson: Why did Māori never have prisons? 

A huge loss to our people a man with so much integrity & honor. RIP Matua Jackson❤❤

"You can't honourably dispossess someone". Nailed it in 5 and the rest is just as good.

very enjoyable and ethically sound speech . I am annoyed with that constant hammering in the background tho! Is there a similar speech without the hammering ? ♡

He was so well spoken open and honest and will be missed sadly ❤

One could argue indigenous populations didn't have prisons because they didn't have societal judicial systems with justice courts and policing. The most stratified and complex indigenous populations like the Aztecs and the Incas had prisoners both from war and those who transgressed the laws either became slave labourers or were ritually sacrificed to the Gods. I dont think there was some inherently morally superior indigenous approach to those outside the law or who were captives in battle.

When one takes a look at the history of Aboriginal peoples across the World none of them had 'prison'. Even the indigenous people of Europe did not have 'prison' or incarceration. Most cultures do not even have a word for it to this day. Prison proper, in its current form, is a mode of torture that sprang from the psychopathic Minds of Catholic hierarchy and the elite merchant classes of the 8th and 9th centuries. Of course Babylon and Rome had them yet they were different because of who was targeted. And they were not tied to multi-national corporations or individual investors. Today it is melanated Aboriginal and traditional cultures who are their primary fodder for grinding out their financial and stock market gains in the Prison Industrial Complex. It is a significant and intrinsic part of the socio-economic system of Wes-turn cologn-nial countries. The systems of indenture (and 'slavery') were *completely* different than Wes-turn concepts. This current system of 'wht' soup-remasee is based upon sciopathic insanity. It is time to dismantle it and shut it down like an asylum's administration gone awry. ___________________________________________________________

the works in the background made it impossible to hear him at times

love seeing old white men in the comments not LISTENING to the KORERO!!!

I was at this kõrero! So powerful and free pizza! Thanks, JS!

What is that annoying banging noise in the background?!

Man I always slip into reading the comments on these beautiful inspirational insightful korero from people of all walks of life..and there is always a disturbing amount of bigoted “know it all” keyboard warriors spewing kak’s all up in it..tsk🤨 Seriously I’m only looking at my phone and my eyes are darting around my room looking for a lighter so I can sage it..🤔and myself 💚🔥☮️

Is it just me or does most of Matua Moana recording's have disburbing noise interference.. Nga Mihi Matua Moana no noise is going to stop tino rangatira taonga mauri ora 🖤🤍❤

Moana Jackson,extremely interesting,the banging sound is horribly distracting

how old was he how did he die

Continue read work/ research and ako ako. Taku existence today. R.I.P matua 😢

Love the level of tau matua has with all that banging!!!

Because their anthropological development had not progressed beyond what Galbraith defined as the “condine” state.

Eeek! No captions.

Auwe! What is that banging? It interferes with my focused whakarongo o te korero no te rangatira Moana Jackson.

Forget prisons. Let's talk about that other P word -Parenting. Moana and his brothers were brought up by successful parents. They were at a distinct advantage straight away. How many Maori lads get the privilege o go to Nelson College? Most go to Mangere College or Taupo=nui-a-Tia College or Te Karaka Area School. What chances have they got against the upper echelons of secondary schooling? Hato Petera? Tipene?

What is that constant banging noise?

Maybe listen ..in

Why the natives never had prison, it is ngati tauiwi had all the prisons

THIS FAMILY HAS DONE SO MUCH HARM TO NZ

He momo tangata ia.

We had puia for our prisoners.

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You must be kidding. Of course tangata whenua had prisons. The islands were used as prisons. They held the r souls. It is written in history. How misleading was Moana Jackson.

You know Maori when your governed by laws not of your own by a different cultural perspective not of your land who’s the actual prisoner?

I wished someone would go out and put a stop to that banging fricken annoying.

What the hell is that banging in the background how freekin rude and so disrespectful to Moana. Sadly I could not enjoy his speech.

“Nowhere in indigenous traditions have a notion of imprisonment, of locking people up.” Wrong, if one considers exile and isolation as prison. At times people didn’t lock people up they sought revenge or killed them. He’s talking about tribal societies. What he is saying is that prisons weren’t needed where in reality they simply may not have been practical. What will we have instead? Executions and revenge like in Inuit culture? “ In some circumstances: • An individual would be forced to live on their own, in order to gain an appreciation for their community. • Murderers were killed, but only if they did not show remorse or if it was believed he or she would murder again. This was done not as punishment, but for the safety of the community.”

Wouldn't be hard to fill them up

Because they eat anyone who upset their mana

You can always tell if someone is actually trying to change things for the better, and has a shot at doing something profound. Full disclosure of all sides is the starting point for discussions. When anybody tries to convince you one culture or race had some Utopian existence until " someone / something , changed it all. You KNOW they are starting from a place of dishonesty. Where inconvenient truths are never examined. Every race / culture seems to do this ( European Culture is famous for it ) , but minorities globally have learnt well to play this game, and use it to brainwash its young. The TRUTH is now everybody's enemy. Go back far enough, and we are all guilty of the same thing, so it is a bit hard to pull the morality or ethics card out.

Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede any claim and give up and die as an original society - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of almost totally European people fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'A History Of New Zealand Anthropology In The 19th Century' - H D Skinner

If Moana read it bit more of how New Zealanders lived when there was practically no influence from Europe he may get a better understanding than he currently has. Early New Zealanders rarely kept prisoners because they would have been a burden, they just killed anyone who did wrong, that’s well known. But if they wanted to be brutal and inhumane to people, even people in their own family, they would do it. Here is an account from 1807, John Savages, Some Account of New Zealand. “Tippeehee, the chieftain, has a well constructed dwelling on this island, and a large collection of spears, war mats, and other valuables. A short distance from the residence of the chief is an edifice every way similar to a dove cote, standing upon a single post, and not larger than dove cotes usually are. In this Tippeehee confined one of his daughters several years; we understood she had fallen in love with a person of inferior condition, and that these means were adopted to prevent her from bringing disgrace upon her family. The space allotted to the lady would neither allow of her standing up, or stretching at her length; she had a trough in which her food was deposited as often as was thought necessary during her confinement, and I could not find that she was allowed any other accommodation. These privations, and all converse being denied her, proves that Tippeehee was determined to exhibit a severe example to his subjects; at least to such of the young ladies of this part of New Zealand as might be inclined to degrade themselves and their families by unsuitable alliances. The long confinement, with all its inconveniencies, produced the desired effect, in rendering the princess obedient to the wishes of her royal parent. This barbarous cage, which is ornamented with much grotesque carving, still remains as a memento in terrorem to all the young ladies under Tippeehee's government.”

Upoke is the term for Maori slaves. They were about 80% of the population prior to the Europeans. They were the primary source of protein in what was a horrific degeneration of Polynesian society into rampart structural cannibalism - a period of horror that lasted some 500 years until they were rescued by the European. The Maori had come with the original Polynesian caste structure of royals, bonded commoners after being outcast and set adrift on rafts to end up stranded in NZ. Within a recorded period of about 8 generations this then degenerated into 9 different language groups ( no common language) and a horrific two tier ethnically and racially based caste structure. - Ariki / from the original royal elite - these were documented and painted or drawn as lighter to white skinned, wiry, smaller boned, fine featured, thin nose, thin lipped, straight hair, anxious, aggressive cannibalistic ruling class. Upoke / from the original bonded commoners (such bonding or serfdom broke down in NZ as land was unconstrained) and slaves. Upoke or poke was used in conjunction with Kuku or Kiko ie a Upoke Kiko was slave flesh - or else poke singular or pokes group). The Upoke slaves were the 'wealth' of the Maoris and raiding and capturing other clans and tribes Upoke was the primary industry of the Maoris. These Upoke were dark skinned, larger limbed, thick lipped, flat nosed, curly haired, easily fattened, low IQ and sedentary. The settlements of the Maoris (Pa's) were in valley passes where they could anticipate attack from the sea and run into the bush behind. A Pa's very design is as a cannibal storage camp of humans as slave eating flesh with perimeters controlling access and confining the slaves. Have a good look at the original designs of the Pa's and what their real purpose was. Upoke females were normally killed and eaten at birth but on arrival of the Europeans -( trade was for Upoke boiled male heads carved with European arabesques eg 'Maori Moko designs - all European) but with a shortage of that & the trade being policed - the Maori Ariki turned to selling young Upoke slave girls to the sailors and settlers for guns. Often as records show, the Ariki would line up the young Upoke on the beach or field and then tell the Europeans they would all be slaughtered and eaten unless the European met their demands. As such the European settlements were flooded with Upoke slaves, mainly young females being the demand. The Europeans bred with these slave females gave immunity to the mixed race offspring disease such as measles & flu that full blood Maori did not have. Again this is subject to much record (1880 onwards) about the 'revitalization' and out breeding of the Maori being their only path of survival / there was much concern the Maori would become extinct so all Europeans & Maori were much focused on such outbreeding to ensure that a trace of Maori may exist in the future.By 1903 there were no Ariki left and only 14 very old full blood Upoke. The last full blood died in 1944 - as reported by the minister of Maori affairs much later to the NZ parliament. The marked differences between the Ariki and the slave caste were much commented on, discussed and captured in paintings & portraits. Almost all Maori today would be offspring of Europeans & Upoke slaves - the filters of inter Maori fratricide between the Ariki clans & disease acted as an filter to remove both Ariki and full bloods. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'A History Of New Zealand Anthropology In The 19th Century' - H D Skinner

wow bleeding hart drivile at its best

He jumps from incarceration to racism. Racism might have once been involved. Though he needs to prove that Maori are imprisoned because of race and not behaviour. If he suggests poverty drives offending he needs to prove that. In the USA it has been observed that when poverty increased offending didn’t increase. So poverty is not necessarily a driver of crime. What does drive crime as an example is single parent homes.

Compare apples to oranges. I appreciate his calm insights though he’s not really thinking. The Maori population in the 1600s was maybe 200,000. The British population at that time was 4 million. Bigger populations may require different approaches to law and order. He is wrong about indigenous cultures and their approach to law and order. As an example. Inuit Culture law and Oder is described thus way... “After a wrongdoing occurred: (a) Elders began by talking to the person and making him or her feel loved. (b) If the person continued to misbehave, the Elders would speak to him or her again. This time it would be done in a more serious tone and possible consequences would be outlined. (c) If the behavior continued, it was felt that the individual had already been warned and therefore had to accept the consequences of his or her behavior. Members of the community may be told that they were permitted to seek revenge on this person.“ “ In some circumstances: • An individual would be forced to live on their own, in order to gain an appreciation for their community. • Murderers were killed, but only if they did not show remorse or if it was believed he or she would murder again. This was done not as punishment, but for the safety of the community.” So there you go they were warned, warned again, the “revenge”was sought. In serious offending they were isolated/exiled or killed. Not that different to our justice system though we have done away with the death penalty.

Every maori was enslaved til the Treaty set them free and they lived Tikanga Christianity