Big fan of voltage read points. And buttons. And postcodes. I wonder how well that rog header works. It sounds really cool. The double 8pin power connectors are mostly so people's crappy cable extensions don't catch on fire. To quote an Asus rep "those are there because some people use really crap cables"
depends on which camp you subscribe to. you have the "I know electrician engineering 101" and those that don't. Even now there is a huge argument about the new 12/16 pin bullshit from pci-sig that Nvidia paid them to adopt. Where you have 12 pins (6 positive 6 ground) which are required to be 16 gauge wire. they state its only good for 600w, but 16gauge wire has ampacity rating of 12.5 amps at 60c.... so in reality each wire is good for 150w. and 150w times 6 individual wires is 900w of power capability (safely). On the flip side, you have the old 6 and 8 pin pci-e connections we currently still use. PCI-SIG claims 6.75 amps for 6 pin and 13.5 amps for 8 pin.... so two grounds extra on the 8 pin gives you double the power capacity thanks to lower impendence.... except we know the ampacity of 18 guage wire (most psu's on the market) is 10 amps at 60c. So that would mean a single 6pin pci-e is capable of 360watts and the 8pin, with lower impendence thanks to extra grounds, would edge out even more.... but just going off the 6pin, THREE 6pin connections would be capable of delivering 1080 watts. Never actually needing the new 12pin connection. Which begs the question, why do we even need the new 12 pin connection? Saving PCB space is a bullshit excuse. I think Nvidia paid off pci-sig to adopt their standard (and then pci-sig changed the keying to make it "different" from nvidia's patent). anyway, why bring all that up? well eps 12v is basically just power and ground. the 4 pin is 2x2 and the 8pin 4x4.... with that in mind, 18 gauge wire, ampacity of 10amps per wire, aka 120 watts per wire (amps x volts = watts, 10x12=120) would mean a single 8pin eps is capable of 480 watts.... so with that in mind, as long as you stay at or below 480 watts, you only need one power cable. however two power cables would reduce the load on each (supposed to, but doesn't in most cases). a 12900k is known to eat about 320 watts or more with a heavy overclock. throw in power spikes, and one 8pin eps cable isn't enough. in that scenario, for safety, you would want two connections. asus reps are just figure heads who don't know dick, like calling a help center and you get some Indiana reading from a guide book, they don't know shit, they just repeat what they are told. HOWEVER, if play the pci-sig game, then the actual power capacity of a single wire is actually only about 2.25 amps, times 12 volts, would means 27 watts per wire. four wires would mean a total power of 108 watts. and then two 8 pin eps would mean another 108 watts for 216 total.... nowhere near close enough to actually run a 12900k overclocked. which proves pci-sig full of shit, and their power ratings are garbage, proving the new 12 pin for graphics cards is fucking useless..... I digress, even a typical extension cable would be 18 gauge minimum (and 14 gauge maximum) which is more than enough to handle current to a cpu. the only way you are burning down your pc is with cheap knock off cables from china that use extremely small wire and/or copper clad aluminum instead of actual copper wire (cca gets hotter per length and amperage applied compared to actual copper), in which case shame on people for buying extremely cheap garbage.
@@goblinphreak2132 iirc the double 8pin trend started right around the time the price of copper skyrocketed and a lot of disreputable manufacturers started sneaking copper clad aluminium into the supply chain
@@christopherjackson2157 except the older atx standard and new atx 3.0 standard requires copper. Not cca. The brands sneaking cca are chinese knock off bands. Not a single reputable brand skimped out.
Super helpful. I keep my boards thru a platform's life but I cheaped out on it last time and ended up wishing I put the extra 200 into it at the beginning. This time I did a dream build with this. Happy af so far. Would be cool if memory gets a bump via bios and not just CPU generational bumps. Great stuff as always, thanks.
DAMN! the in depth info I didn't know I wanted!! Cheers! This needs some "tracks". looking for the ram setup which happens near the end. ...and then there's "music" yes, love people trying to put forth new industrial!
Didn't realize you had made this video but I bought this board a while back and I'm a huge fan. Shoehorns right into an Alta G1M. Thanks for your analysis.
Minor note at the start. I'm lead to believe that PS2 is also very popular for those who use Windows XP for benchmarks, as it gives higher scores for some benchmarks and some benchmarks only run on it, which are still sufficiently popular to warrant the hassle. Most USB controllers don't work on XP (due to drivers), where PS2 "just works".
@@pedro4205 For running CPU benchmarks and/or those where custom/hacked GPU drivers are available or older cards where XP drivers exist, so ... maybe/probably. I've not tried such things, I have little interest in significant OC'ing or putting the effort in to getting new systems to run XP. My XP system's an Athlon 64 3700+ with GTX 750 (that's currently not built primarily while I wait to become a Billionaire so I can afford a VooDoo card)
@@pedro4205 Up until Z590 there have been custom Windows XP ISOs' made with backported drivers and I think the Tachyon even came with a special XP-friendly USB controller. But I haven't seen any ISOs' or hwbot entries done on Z690/X670 with XP.
I normally get decent motherboard but usually spend 250-350 max. I’ve bought a x470& x570 crosshair vii and viii both been great boards. I hope board come down a little by the time we get 3d v-cache models i will be upgrading my 5950x then. Last intel board i bought was an aorus master for a 9900ks which was great and I really like a backplate on a motherboard.
Do you plan on doing a breakdown on the ASUS Strix X670E-I ITX board? Other than being the only x670 ITX board, it seems kinda unique among the X670E boards due to its more limited VRM setup. Some weird engineering to get more stuff in the itx form factor also.
The design of this style of vrm in is explained in a video on Robert Feranec's channel where he interviews an engineer called Steve sandler. And its pretty mindbending once you figure it out. Title is "do you need thick copper layers in pcb for high currents?"
anticipating the aorus b650e video! curious as to how the vrms perform in comparison to the x670 board. functionally very little differences so i wonder if the vrms are affected heavily
If the SiC840s are anything to go by, the ISL99390s will be more efficient below around 20A per powerstage and have a far higher peak efficiency (~94% ISL vs ~91.5% SiC).
Should be getting my ROG STRIX X670E-E Gaming Wifi board, coming from an ASUS X570-P so excited that it looks well built! Looks very close to the Gene!
11:25 I can confirm. I've used 6 pin pci e connectors for a 600w brushed motor motion rig. Thats 12v 50amps and they don't even get warm at full load 🤷♂
Hey the Bandcamp with industrial noise - are you an INTJ by any chance. Your meticulous nature of how you broke down the Gene as well how well structured the video is almost near perfect. You're deffo somewhere along that spectrum of personality. I'm glad I found you, thank you. :D
Dear @Buildzoid I have a 3 questions for You even if it seems bizarre.... how much do the socket gold pins affect the power draw ona cpu... eg if they was made of graphene which is at least 80% electrically conducting more efficient?! and second question, what if the pcb wiring was made of graphene, eg. for the memory topology, would that have superior performance for the same reasons? last question.... how much does the soldering affect overall wiring thermals and performance...if the soldering was made eg using copper would it have much higher performance benefits?
hey bz, what do you think about intel vs amd mobo QC in most of their budget-entry level mobos, because I think that it seems that most of AMD budget-entry level mobos had a great tier vrm in terms of temps and benchmark results ( from hw unboxed vids ) while most budget-entry level intel mobos had worse vrm perf but had much more feature sets, is that correct ?
I think that's for auxiliary power for a graphics card like what MSI does but only 6 pin instead of 8 pin. I own the board but too lazy right now to drag out the manual for the board.
@Buildzoid, I'm not sure if it's even possible with Ryzen but, Frame Chasers hit 7000 MT/s at CL32 on Trident Z5 (Hynix) DIMMs using a golden 12900K in his 'DDR5 VS DDR4 MAX OVERCLOCK GAMING BENCHMARK' video.
Hi Buildzoid. I've got an Asus ROG X670E-E board. If I shoot over some photos, would you be interested in doing an analysis vid for that board? I'd really love to have a more informed critique of the board. Thanks! - Drew
About holding power button not working - on X670E (ASUS X670E Hero) I got that every time when I enable MB Optimized profile for my memory kit. Post code stops at 00 with memory LED light up (not usual 15, C5 or stuff like that). That is consistent experience for me.
Hey Buildzoid...i'm Building a 3d rendering rig around a 4090 and 64gb ram. 1k budget for cpu and mobo. I'm deciding between 13900k+Z690 AORUS MASTER or 7950x+X670 AORUS ELITE, what would you recommend under 1k? what would you do? thanks!
70A on VDDIOmem is ridiculous in terms of output but Im not sure about it raising the price. I dont know but if I had to guess Id say that Asus buys these power stages in such a huge quantity that theyre probably cheaper or the same price for them as lower end components cause using them for everything instead of just Vcore makes them buy even more. Im generally assuming that everything companies do is for maximizing profit.
So would you be able to run a dual rank ddr5 kit at 6200-6400 with this board or would you just go with sr a/m die ? Would love a reply picking up ram soon
Interesting. I would do the exact opposite with the sata ports and would happily sacrifice all of them for one more usb-c header or pci-e connectivity. But ofc i dont do hard core benching anymore.
that 1DPC might matter for the next gen of cpus maybe they learned from AM4, their 1st gen Crosshair VI cant really clock high I think. No idea on how high it clocks, whats the record anyway?
Not sure if it'll work for everyone else, but my Z390 Apex does make some additional sensors available once you install armoury crate.. I've only ever done it to expose the water temperature headers into Argus Monitor, but it certainly did the job.
This is what bugs me about Asus. Their desktop boards generally speaking have great power delivery but their gaming laptops power delevery system is proned to failure. Aside from Mac books, it's common fare to see a couple of Asus laptops in for repair and 9/10 it's a blown MOSFET on the VRM. I wonder if this is just an inherent flaw with power hungry components being crammed into smaller spaces as well as the sheer popularity and availability of Asus laptops or if their's a flaw in the design
I was considering the Hero, having an XL lian li case. Will this perform better if im planning to OC? I appreciate a comment as Im still newbie in OC and evaluating mobos..:)
@@darrelwright7343 thank you. I have an ASUS environment why I’m locked to asus products, for the good and bad. But I was looking for OC insights between gene vs ATX if any
I have this board and no it won't block off a large tower cooler. It's really no higher then tall ram. It's a thick boi though. Don't have the board installed yet into a case and I really only use big AIO's but did mock it up with a tower cooler from a customer intel build I'm doing. What's funny is I'm stuffing this small board in a 7000D Corsair case. It's going to be a hoot.
This is the board im looking at for the 7000 3d cpus coming .. overkill and expensive yes but being as i plan on having it for zen 5 , zen 6 or until the AMD socket change then its well worth the coin in my opinion ..
Why can't they make a b650 version of this board with 12 power stages? It would be way cheaper and have all the functionality most enthusiasts would ever need
So ... this > Crosshair Hero ? :D I have the Hero tbh, but thinking on getting the Gene .... future Zen 5 may habe better IMC and higher mem performance...
for them sure but unlikely it would translate to a savings for the consumer.. this is just another phase of marketing where more is better, bigger is better, etc. first big shift was ASUS over marketing "military grade" components even though there's no difference. then it shifted to dual 8 pin EPS being superior even though it's never been a necessary feature outside of HEDT and servers. now the new marketing thing is overbuilt VRM's and giant VRM heatsinks.
@@sirmonkey1985problem was on the original launch of the x570 boards some manufacturers went the other way and skimped out on the VRMs for the cheaper boards. These are also going to support multiple generations of processors and just because you don’t need good VRMS now doesn’t mean you won’t in the future. Plus this board in particular is aimed at the overclocker market which will push the limits.
Buildzoid I had a important question about the pcb layers. Is 6 layers plus 2 cooper layers good enough to run pcie gen 5 , gen 5 ssd and ddr5 all at the same time? I bought the asus tuf x670e which is 6+2 and was worried about this. Saw the b650e stric was 350 and is listed as true 8 layer.
Hey guys, All my temps are perfect in idle except for chipset 2, which is 90-100 degrees. I am using a Deepcool AIO. Could you point out where chipset 2 is located so I can understand what is happening? I never noticed that temp in the bios before. I recently added the gen z2 on the board. that the only main changes. Thanks a lot
So is there a non overclocking version of this with 4 DIMM slots and a price that doesn't entail making double over what the board actually costs? Because these prices have been criminal so far, not got high hopes for X770
Not exactly sure what you want, simply a 4-DIMM AM5 mATX board? Both the ASUS TUF Gaming B650M-Plus and MSI MAG B650M Mortar WIFI are decently equipped sub-$300 boards and should perform just fine in a daily system. No debug LED on either tho if you care about that.
@@-eMpTy- What I want is to know where these companies keep pulling these prices from, I shouldn't have to hear B650, sub $300 and decent in the same sentence, I'd have thought that it wouldn't be too hard to find a motherboard with which to jump over to AM5, but everything this year is so beyond reasonable I half expect to be kept waiting for 800 series chipset boards before upgrading my system again
@@genericscottishchannel1603 I mean if you can, just wait another 2-3 months until the prices are dropping. AM5 CPUs really ain't selling too well at the moment - and therefore neither are the boards. There will be some hefty price drops and/or other promos (mail-in rebate, free AiO or something like that) coming soon.
@@genericscottishchannel1603 Even many B350/X470 boards support Ryzen 5000 nowadays, if you're already on Ryzen you might want to upgrade to the 5800X3D (if you're primarily gaming) instead. Or 5900x/5950x if you're running workloads that benefit from more than 8 cores.
@@TheSjuris on some motherboard the RAM is on the top side. In that case, they can put the VRM closer to the 24 pin, right? Actually, since 8/16 pin EPS is on the top-left side, why dont they also put the 24 pin there?
@@budiisnadi have yet to ever see any AmD motherboard where the RAM was in a different place. You would need bigger cases to put that cable there. It’s a thicc boi. There’s a reason it gets out where it is.
@@TheSjuris some Biostar fm2 mobo with on board CPU put it's RAM slot there. But yes, the thing requires cooperation with other hardware manufacturers (cases, coolers), so it's not a feasible idea.
what cpu makes sense for this board though lol? I want it but don't know what cpu to pair this monster with for gaming only. I have a 4090 gpu and play on 4k. I feel like getting the 7800x3d but wouldn't this motherboard be way too overkill for that 😀I just want that board because of how pretty it looks lol
If you can afford it just for gaming its going to be 7800x3d and the upcoming x3d single ccd until 2026. But we dont know how amds memory controller will evolve. 7800x3d will do in any sub $200 board. This is like you said about design
@@vincentvega3093 Thanks for the feedback. I did see that AMD is going to try to make these motherboards supported for up to 2025+ meaning they might support it up to 2026 if we are lucky, so I figured if I invest on this platform now with the 7800x3d. I could upgrade to the last version of CPU this motherboard will support and hopefully the "upcoming x3d single CCD" is supported on this motherboard and is a bad ass CPU to make this motherboard purchase more worth it. The cool thing is that it looks like I can hook up 4 sata ssds and 3 nvme ssds to this board without having any limitations which is something I'll take advantage of if it's possible. I like the design a lot it would go well with my black caselabs mercury s5 case, custom water cooled since that case is for mATX and usually those boards don't get a whole lot of love in terms of design compared to atx or even mini itx. Though the price is outrageous would have liked it more if it was 450-500 but 600 is stretching it plus tax bringing it to 700 for me. Well I bought it all either way so I'm just going to risk it and hope AMD does some bad ass stuff with this platform.
I love how you were like "I don't do nvme " ..... " i wish there waq more sata" spoken like a real twothousands oc builder 😂 Trust the community nvme is greqt you should try it sometimes 😉
I bought this for my 7600x :P . It is buttery smooth though. like no lag everything opens instantly. Would like to overclock it. But no one wants to do any videos for the 7600x their all for the 7950x
overclocking it is no different then the 7950x just don't go into it expecting to hit the speeds the 7950x hit considering it's an early production 6 core chip.
@@SpoiledBadgerMilk i started like that too :D but hey look, you got one of the most interesting motherboards there is and this piece is good for tinkering and learning! Hope it will serve you well
