Modern Controls Are Going To Take Over Street Fighter 

Next Animeilluminati video title: "Classic Controls are no longer good"

Date someone who looks at you the same way Jiyuna looks at Modern controls

Having to play through such a huge bracket as Evo this year with classic vs modern seems like a huge handicap no matter how you look at it. Hand fatigue, mental fatigue and reaction speed are all gonna be struggles

Glad to see Street Fighter appealing the the Smash Bros. players by giving them similar inputs. Ryu and Ken are originally from Smash after all.

I'm a classic controls player but I'd absolutely wheeze at the salt if Shuko, Haitani, or especially Tokido won EVO with modern controls

2 buttons at the same time = 1 frame Down, downforward, forward, neutral, down, downforward, forward+button = 7 frames Let that sink in…

Sometimes it's not only about winning but rather competing on your own terms. As someone who's enjoyed playing fighters for decades I can't see myself ever touching modern controls. I love the grind of Labbing new combos routes, and trying to emulate pro level gameplay for whichever character I'm playing. It may never be perfect and you may never get to daigo, tokido, punk, or any other pros level but for some people their enjoyment is in the pursuit.

"Why am I trying to be Punk when I'm not Punk?" is a lesson that the vast majority of gamers need to learn. Not just in fighting games, in everything. Its so sad seeing people try speedrun strats in Monster Hunter and wondering why they're taking 30 minutes to kill. Thanks Jiyuna, I'm not Punk, I'm gonna learn my lesson and just play Modern.

As a classic player, i saw this coming a mile away.

I think the biggest issue for me is that Modern is a perfectly viable control scheme at any level, but I feel that the loss of so many moves in Modern controls stifles player expression. You need to play the characters in a certain way when using modern controls and I don't think you'll see really particularly inventive combos or adaptations to dropped combos with Modern compared to classic. Of course, the super fast reactions with 1-button specials is a huge benefit but if everyone suddenly played modern controls tomorrow, I think matches would be generally less interesting to watch.

Another key point people are missing in the classic vs modern debate: let’s say your execution is really good and you can hit your bread and butter combos more than 90% of the time. Even if you only drop one combo per game, or even just one per set. The damage you lost from that one dropped combo can be bigger than the damage you would have lost from the 20% modern reduction overall. Not only do you not have to worry about missed inputs in complex combos, but timing is also much more forgiving in modern.

I agree with your vision and I think there's nothing wrong in playing modern, it's not cheating since the game is made with modern control as primary scheme. Big problem, I love execution and it's an active part of what makes a fighting game interesting to me. If you remove execution from SF I would just play other FGs.

Jiyuna flew back home from evo for 10 minutes just to film this video thats Modern dedication folks

Less stress plays a big part at crucial scenarios. To have some of that weight off your shoulders and having less things to worry about can be a blessing. Can't wait to see what results EVO will bring in the amount of Modern participants and their placements.

Jiyuna is the Modern messiah. He has shown me the light, and my Modern Ryu has paid dividends.

smh. Now you see. Let it be known I have been shit talkin' the cheatbox and by extension Modern for years at this point. I argued that the reason everyone made the switch to leverless cheatboxes was because of the SPEED and the CONSISTENCY of inputs over joystick and pad. Modern controls are effectively built-in macros, changing what might have been several precise inputs into one or two button inputs. Of course it is better. The question was if the damage nerf and loss of tools was enough to compensate. It clearly was not.

Pretty sure I said this either during beta or during week one and I was told I needed to show receipts. Glad to see the receipts got to you.

I’ve played SF my whole life casually, but I haven’t played in years until SF6 and at first I was too “proud” to play with modern controls until I realized why am I hitting all these extra buttons for the same outcome. I switched to modern and after getting used if it, I’m loving it.

godDAMN man I fking KNEW this was a horrific fact since the gd closed beta... I posted a comment in the stream community chat w/a vid, it was nemo's take on this subject, on this and OFC was flamed out then banned because ppl absolutely HATE the truth.... this sht to me legitimately sucks because I just want to ply a fighting game with ppl traditionally who are NOT using micros and short cuts/EZ Operation Mode and GD if CRAPCOM refuses to let that happen because of.... 'accessibility'... the ahols WON'T EVEN ALLOW YOU TO CHOOSE WHETHER U WANT TO FIGHT THESE TYPE PLYERS OR NOT!!!!! and its the loss of actual choice that I really hate ALL Modern made games because from what I've seen majority of games made after about 2014/15 you don't have many options in online gameply...

I try to go back and forth because of being so used to classic controls. One thing I like about modern is how much more comfy it is on the hands. Getting older and the wrists start to get sore. Playing comfortable with a pad and still able to do the fun stuff. Modern is nice.

I want to see modern win Evo, it'd be hilarious. It'd be cool to see Haitani's modern vs Sako's classic Chunli.

Has the Age of Modern enlightenment begun? I'm glad to see someone clarifying what Modern is capable of :)

Can't wait for MenaRD's salty tweet when he loses a big tournament vs a modern player

It would be really cool if Modern control allows player to map and customize the moves as you wish. You will not able to get all the moves but you can pick which normal and special moves you want to use and discard the rest.

SF6 is my first street fighter and modern controls is what got me to pick it up and i loved it, never expected to put as much time into it as I have. It also got some of my friends who aren't as into fighting games to get over that initial barrier and really enjoy it too. So it's a delight to see that they are still viable even on a competitive level. Though I will some characters feel more satisfying to play on classic from a fun factor. That and I've always found using the assist button to get certain moves back kinda awkward

Capcom really wanted to prioritize all the newcomers who gave up on learning motions over all the newcomers who are actually trying to learn.

King of Modern, love it. Is there a parallel content creator doing the classic side of SF6?

Artificially lessening the mental stack in any way in a fighter doesn't sit right with me.

Also remember as far as the future of Modern. I know some games used a similar setup already, got another gaming coming down the pipe, Project L from Riot that used a very close key layout to SF6 Modern.

The issue is that people on modern are playing battle for the grid instead of SF6😂

PEOPLE YOU NEED TO WAKE UP, OPEN YOUR EYES AND FINALLY REALIZE THAT YOU. ARE. NOT. PUNK.

Jiyuna, the M checks out. Just like how Vegeta took the easy road to power with the power Babidi provided, modern is exactly like that.

I don’t think I’ll switch to modern with Marisa, in part because losing quadriga entirely outside of autocombos means she loses her highest damage routes, and in part because I have too much muscle memory after a couple months that I wouldn’t want to delete. I am interested in trying out some other characters with modern, though.

i thing that people does not talk enough about the metal stack on modern, in fact this is the first video i see on the modern vs classic topic talking about that and could be stretched little bit cause dude... this game has LOT things happening on screen every second, just by standing in neutral u have to think in like 5 or more posible scennarios, the metters, your position on screen and your opponent position meter and options, AND ON TOP OF THAT the MU, And Modern does not only simplify your control scheme and your options but also the gameplan and MU overall, i think that is way more relevant than having about 6 more normals between ground and air and some extra variations on some special moves

I really don't mind players using Modern, but if the majority of pro players decide to switch to Modern, I think it's a problem.

I think at best, Modern is around equally as good as Classic for some characters and in theory/optimal setting which one you choose depends on the character matchup. Maybe someone like Cammy is so good with modern that she’s pretty much always the right choice, but we’ll see for that Then on the other hand, modern is completely trolling for some characters like Juri

Everything you said in the first minute kinda echoes the thought process of “you need a stick to win” from the past.

Lily's got a fun OS w/ modern autocombos - press Autocombo + light, Autocombo + light + special, Autocombo + light + special. If the low connects you get her standard auto combo. If the opponent blocks, you get her command grab.

I think it's more a character specific reason as to why use Modern. Cammy, Luke, Marisa and Rashid are perfect for Modern since 3 of them get easy DP and won't lose much normals, but all of them have really long range supers. But Guile loses important buttons and gets like, barely any benefit from the stuff that would make Modern attractive if you already know how to play Classic.

Greetings from Evo! I stick to classic because it's comfortable for me but I still love modern. My girlfriend is improving so damn well playing this game, that she's gonna compete at Evo next year when we go. Lookout for her, because she plays a dirty Chun-Li! ❤🎉

tbh, I had a lot more fun with modern than I expected. I'm not a really good player, I can do basic moves but my combo execution is pretty shit. When I used modern, I found myself actually playing footsies, something I've never done before. Usually, I would just either jump in > 3 hit combo or throw a projectile then walk in, basic stuff. But now, I'm adjusting distance, trying to whiff punish, something I've never done properly before. It's so much more fun now.

I play modern Juri. Started rank as Silver but have moved my rank to Plat 1 currently. Not many guides on playing modern Juri but watching others play classic Juri and using certain modern friendly combos instead of ones I see using classic works. Modern definitely helps with execution but reading opponents better is a big deal in helping to progress.

It takes a big man to admit when they were wrong. Much respect Jiyuna and great commentary at evo!

As a new player to street fighter online I've gotten just about every character to plat with modern except dj. You got nothing to lose trying it. It's fun as hell

Wanted to try out modern controls as I'm not that experienced in fighting games in general and I'll be honest, I felt like a bot.

I suspect many people have been playing on Modern for a long time in Fightcade. Many players with perfect DP, and their reversal special always comes out in frame 1, etc.

Pros of modern: -No more guesswork on inputs. There are still times where I accidentally throw a super input or the super input didn't count. -You don't have to fight your controller. For situations where you don't like the controller that you're using, usually a bad d pad or you're not used to stick inputs, it's less of a drawback when using modern. -Reaction based anti airs and supers. cons: -Might be subject to rebalancing in the future -losing out on some normals which is a nerf that's character specific but isn't as big of a deal as everyone once thought -you might become too reliant on reaction. -weaker damage when you rely on instant specials and supers. -You might not be comfortable transitioning to other games Help add more pros and cons to modern! Overall so far I see that the pros outweigh the cons. The cons I can think of seem to mostly be about things that might create bad habits or hinder you from playing other games but aren't speaking to how powerful of an option that it gives. The weaker damage you get is completely negligible if you couldn't naturally input that special or super in that specific situation as then it would be compared to doing no damage at all. I would even say that an anti air doing no damage would still be super good as it will still lock the other person down from jumping with the threat of them having to get grounded. I'm still sticking to classic however. I feel like if I beat people in a couch setting with instant uppercuts and supers they'd rage at me.

I have played both, and after dabbling with modern, i have now permanently switched for the past 2 weeks. the biggest thing for me with modern is the macros as a pad player. Already having Drive Impact/Parry on one button each is great. My thumb is most consistent hitting left/bottom(throw) and right/top(super) since those 2 button combos line up with your thumb. This gives L2/LT the ability to be a medium+heavy macro for Ken's dash, jamies popup kick, gief lariet ect. or a fierce macro for someone like sim. The controls feel super smooth with this setup, and in my opinion the consistency is 1000% worth the lack of a couple buttons. You get all this on top of the already amazing 1 button supers & specials.

I totally see modern being good but classic is just plain more FUN for me. And I say this with this being my first real fighting game. So I had a free choice of what to learn in the beginning

I've been using modern blanka since day 1, I'm only diamond but I wasn't using it for the easy special because I'm still charging, still doing normal combos, like Jiyuna said it's about freeing your mind to focus on other parts of the game. I don't need to worry about combos, I don't need to worry about anti airs or techniques because I can do the instant air blanka ball anytime and I get the 1 button supers which are really good. From what I lose, I gain in other areas and I'm probably gonna stick with it. I wanna play A.K.I so just hoping she has good tools in modern!

I called this shit. Jiyuna you owe an apology to all those people that crapped on modern and got called scrubs and hard stuck on bronze. Modern is legitimately going to inadvertently make the case for motion inputs having a point and legacy controls being, oh idk, actually thought out already. (But the people crying motion inputs GaTeKePt me FrOm PlAyInG got there wish. They get to have Punk reactions without the work, why? Because we cannot just ask them to get better, why that's not inclusive) You literally just had to look at the hard data of what modern gives you and it's inherently a strong scheme. In the right hands, and right character it's arguably (borderline legitimately) broken. Also I didn't get to show up to your local while in Japan but I went to Game Spot Versus so that was cool.

Called it since day 1, literally. Gonna show off my day 1 comments about it to people in the future. And this is why I have said it: I've done testing and doing special inputs in classic takes about 5-7 frames for a good player. In modern that is 5-7 frames faster ex dp against drive rush, ex projectile invul against projectiles, and super against anything. It is a huge difference once you know where you can use it.

Zangief loses some very important tools in modern, like he loses both 6HK and 3HK, and 6HK is his highest damage starter, so it's not an insignificant loss. I think it varies based on the character. I feel like for a lot of characters, and a lot of players, you'll have as many "In Classic, I could've done X" as you will have "I couldn't have done X without Modern"

I love messing around in the lab on classic when nothing fights back and I can take my time. But as soon as a match happens, I freeze up and get clammy. Modern solves that problem for me, so I'm a believer.

Ive been saying this since the game came out and theres always some try hard in the comments saying that Im just a scrub for saying this. Modern means that the execution of 95% of essential moves are way easier. Playing footsies and then reacting to a jump in or a dash in, etc is way easier.

I'm not good at fighting games but I'm not new to them either started with Street fighter 2 back in the day. One thing that I liked about modern is that I can play three to four characters kind of competent where when I'm playing classic I can only really play one maybe two. But it is hard for me to switch between classic and modern takes a while for my brain to make the switch

I love modern, it’s literally the main reason I bought the game. Never played a SF game before this one and it’s because of the controls 💯

8:40 I'll say it's a bad thing. 😂 Modern is meant to be a gateway control scheme for those who are completely new to fighting games. If the advantages are strong enough that even pro players start switching, then to me that is an indication that modern is still overtuned. Classic controls should be the obvious go to system even for intermediate players.

Jiyuna's Modern Agenda is insane. This is like his 10th "Modern is odee" video.

I just wish they had gone with one control scheme. Two is just asking for trouble competitively especially on top of the inherent balancing difficulties that come with asymmetrical gameplay.

Are you playing Modern with the same equipment you use to play Classic? I use a leverless controller for Classic controls -- should I use my Xbox gamepad if I wanted to try Modern?

Classic players been knowing this, been saying this. Yal just now showing up to the table and yal are mad LATE 🤷🏾‍♂️

Modern controls really help, but I'm still terrible, just like Max mentioned in one of his videos, modern won't make you a good player but for some of us they make the game certainly playable.

I’m playing modern Lily but inputting almost exclusively classic inputs. The modern option is a safety net for me for use in emergency. So I lose some buttons but in matches I rarely suffer damage penalties because I rarely use it. Modern is great for working up skill so I was able to build up one special at a time and here I am inputting the 360 with classic inputs but if I ever feel uncertain or a match is super close I can fall back to guaranteed modern input

"I feel like I'm cheating". Of course it is

100% agree with this. I've been playing both classic and modern but I am actually really enjoying playing Modern Ryu.

I'm from the future, Jiyuna was right

Ive played sf so long im hardwired classic. Maybe one day ill switch. The only thing i find bothersome is when i feel like some options just become useless. Like if i match with someone playing modern, i wont jump ever. That honestly feels kinda lame. Im not sure of the anwser to balance two control schemes in the same game. It doesnt really feel right in a game that youre so vulnerable in the air to just give an instant dp. Especially with sf being around for so long and that dp input being a way to balance. Even if modern dp did 0 damage I dont think its the anwser. Instant supers and dps choke out a lot of options which feels very lame to me. On that note, im totally on board for project L. But that is being designed around its simple inputs. Not like sf where they just threw in a new control scheme ontop of a game heavily designed based on classic inputs of other sf and just say "well just reduce the damage."

I think modern is similar to the mouse and keyboard vs controller for FPS games. Controller has aim assist makes it easier for the majority of people. It raises the skill floor substantially. Where as keyboard and mouse is still 'the best' for the top 1% of people due to having better reactions and being able to manipulate the control more finely.

the best part of modern to me at least. i play a lot more anime fighters than street fighter and even tho i've been a fightcade grinder i still always prefer how anime fighters handle their attacks. modern giving me an anime-esque layout for my buttons is so nice so i can switch between games very easily and never really have to adjust my muscle memory

I get legit mad when I hear people say Modern is good because "autocombos". I'm a modern player and the autocombos can only take you so far. Some characters are a bit more blessed but others either shit out their drive gauges or just don't flow as well, meaning to properly progress you'll need to find ways to optimize your own combos anyways without the assist. And you still need to play neutral properly to actually land any of those combos anyways

You are correct. I want this for documentation. You are obviously correct and in the future it will have been obvious.

If like you predicted, and everyone migrates to Modern at the end of the game's lifecycle. I see that as an outright negative. The original intent of the control scheme was to smooth the path to intermediate play for beginners. Instead of enabling tourney goers a way to further eke out an advantage. Imagine a world where the Punks and Xiaohais of the world are completely average. (In terms of reactions compared to the general populace)

Modern nation taking over 💪🤩

I wouldn't be surprised if Modern becoming what everyone is using. When we see ArcSys making games that are infinitely less complex than their previous games + execution becoming also way easier with no more motion input (hello new Granblue) other devs will probably follow this too and fighting games will change compared to what people grew with. It seems that a lot of people kinda agree with those changes so I'm guessing the devs will continue to makes FG more and more easier and accessibles.

I've been playing street fighter off and on since ultra 4 and ive always struggled in ranked. Just about making it to ultra bronze. With modern controls hit platinum fairly easily with multiple characters. Its the way forward for me

I work as a disability advocate in esports and my first thoughts on modern controls was that it is a good thing. More options = better accessibility. In the end, I don't think there is a winner. It depends on the person's personal strengths.

I’m actually in plat with modern cammy and guile and I actually placed top 192 in tns with modern cammy one more game I would’ve been top 96 or higher. So players need to understand the same combos u do in classic you can still pull off in modern you just need to take the time and experiment

The problem I have with modern being powerful is that it doesn't feel like fighting games were balanced around making anti-airs (especially) so simple. The mental stack is massively reduced when anti-airing is practically automatic, and really reduces the complexity of the game... Which I am not a fan of. I'm glad modern exists to get people into the game, but I'm not a fan of making it so powerful that it beats the more skill intensive classic controls.

Been on the modern Cammy tip. SF is finally fun again.

important to remember that Capcom didn't name them "Simple" or "Basic" controls for a reason. the new system was made for modern gamers that have years of video game fighting experience but also expect more from a button press in 2023. also i agree about the auto-combos not even being that big of a factor, most of them are just like two hits and an OD special, so you basically still have to learn to combo if you don't want to constantly burnout. the auto-combos by themselves will get you destroyed if you fall back on them against pros, but because of the auto-combo system, players like me for the first time in 20 years of playing fighting games are actually bothering to learn combos manually to avoid burnout and tinker the combos with different specials, not to git gudd, but just because it's finally fun now 🙌

Me using modern controls before and after the story mode while spectating matches in the avatar hub.

Commenting on every video requesting Arakune BBCF combo trials, video 51. Ngl, I started to use modern more often and its really fun. I've only played Gief, Ryu and Lily with modern though.

I like both as the option. Cater to legacy and new.

Haven't seen the video yet but based on the title, personally I believe both Classic and Modern alike are the future of SF6. I haven't learned the whole cast at a high level yet to see how much they benefit from each control scheme but they're essentially variations or selectable VTs(with the difference nothing is locked and everything is available round start). I main Lily and both Classic and Modern give me different benefits/strats, against some characters I start with Classic, others I start with Modern, I use em for match up purposes. And if I lose with one control scheme ill change to the other and throw them off with a completely different way of playing. With Classic I get more dmg, better conversions from different situations and a overhead/low game, but with Modern I get instant/late reactions, and best of all which personally has been the biggest strength for me, I get frame 1 command grabs and walk up command grabs, the amount of frame traps I get with modern command grabs is insane, but once the opponent doesnt get command grabbed alot, its a struggle, the lack of optimization from modern really shows, like worse meaties and weaker non-command grab frame traps. Cant wait for Evo, I think Modern will prove to be officially a way of playing, but Classic is still going to blow it out of the water with overall results. And I hope both sides cry a river about "how OP easy mode Modern is" and "how OP motion inputs from classic are and dumb it is to gatekeep strong stuff behind motion inputs". I hope this shit fuels so much salt and fire, that the beefs and rivalries, and proving rights just goes absolutely HAM for the rest of season leading to Capcom Cup.

I still think y'all are lame for using modern. I suck at fighting games but would never take that easy road.

I've been using Modern exclusively since launch and its so good.

I wanna try a good modern character. I play manon so she loses pretty important moves if i switch off classic. Maybe itll change when i get time to try like modern ryu or something.

The only way to get more Punks is for people to learn the game Classic, there are advantages and disadvantages to both, but if you are really deep into FGs you should learn Classic, its going to benefit you at the highest of ranks, even the Pro's playing Modern still know perfectly well how to dominate in Classic.

I being dealing and testing modern for a good amount now, and I have to say, that I agree to and extend, but modern is clearly much stronger with certain characters and not everyone, some characters are complete trash with modern where as some others are fucking godlike because of their insane kit, luke for example, like damn, modern luke is so disgusting is not even funny, the moment he has 1 meter you can't play the game in a certain way anymore, I used to play tatsunoko vs capcom ultimate all star, I was and still the strongest zero player that ever pick up that game, because my reactions and movement options leave other people without theirs, in that game, zero can charge his buster, like in subsequent marvel games, but here zero can't use the macro to instant air dash, or advance guard without letting the button go, this puts a strain in the brain, to always keep a button held, I circumvent this by simply not charging the button in neutral, which is why I was 10 times faster and my reactions where also 10 times faster than everyone one, this same stuff applies to street 6, because in order to do something, there's a certain amount of attention people put into certain tasks, such as combos, punishes, recognizing patterns and such, some stuff you can do automatically, and some you can without putting much brain power, which is why modern is so disgustingly good with characters like luke and cammy, luke can always punish you for everything you do, cammy can too, you can't no longer throw fireballs at this characters, you can no longer drive rush them, you can no longer exploit what use to be unreactable windows with jumps because modern is a 1 button punish, a fraction of a second faster is an insane advantage in a game that is primarly built in neutral and exploiting openings and errors with small burst of damage, with some exceptions, but still there, I firmly believe that this is a huge disaster in capcom's game design, you cannot make easy inputs as strong as the normal mode, because this inherently discourages the essence of the game, when I was playing modern luke, I felt like I was no longer playing street fighter 6, it felt like I was playing a versus type game because of how easy everything was, I no longer had to over strain my brain with stuff, I could simply go nuts with the same level of reactions I always had, I can already react and punish stuff from fullscreen with some supers, but now I can do it without having to think or look for it, I can just do it the moment I see it without any previous preparetion, which means I can fully commit to neutral and be a degenerate.

People fail to realize that you still can execute motions on Modern control for full dmg specials, and that goes to show how little they know about something they hate on... 😅

I remember when hitbox came out and people laughed at it. Ppl wouldn’t even buy it for a hundred bucks. Modern mode will become the next hitbox.

07 Jiyuna would be rage posting on meltybread if he had to play 2023 modern Jiyuna and ate a 1 button DP

Modern may catch a nerf

Each month, I try a new character. It's Modern Marisa right now. I really suck, but the month just started. We'll see.

Modern is going to completely phase out classic, that was the intention all along, they are just easing us into it.

My biggest hold up with wanting to learn modern is it completely changes how I use normals. Having to basically hold a shift key while trying to throw out a poke messes my brain up.

I said this as soon as I saw what Modern could do. It significantly reduces input failure. It significantly reduces the time it takes to do an input and it improves everyone’s reactions speed. Capcom opened up Pandora’s box here. It’s Ai assist in a fighter. Once classic players lose the ego they are all going to have modern characters in their back pockets at least. Luke in the hands of a great player using Modern is almost untouchable.

Jiyuna be like “How do you do fellow modern controls users?”

If the top Japanese pros are using it and they say it's strong - who are we to argue? Maybe need to get with the times. Signed, an SF2 player.