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@fabiolimadasilva3398
@fabiolimadasilva3398 7 лет назад
For 2 years I have studied modern Greek and, nowadays, I am studying ancient Greek. For me there are more similarities than differences.
@morewi
@morewi 7 лет назад
Fábio Lima da Silva because the greeks had to revive it. you have to remember that greeks had to revive their language because bulgars, slavs, Albanians and turks replaced most of population
@Pendarkhanbagi
@Pendarkhanbagi 7 лет назад
I am interested to learn ancient Greek should I learn modern Greek before? or it is not necessity?
@perspecktivity
@perspecktivity 7 лет назад
Modern greek totally different than ancient (real) greek. Pontusian is the closest one to real greek but it is extinct now.
@morewi
@morewi 7 лет назад
Konos P lol athens was albanian and your second largest city was muslim and jewish with some bulgarians in it
@morewi
@morewi 7 лет назад
Konos P they were the majority not greeks. the actual greeks had to hide in islands and mountains to avoid being turkifed and replaced by albanians
@MrMikeTheMan89
@MrMikeTheMan89 7 лет назад
This is amazing! Texts from most germanic languages are very hard to understand just 400 years ago. Go back 1000 years and you basically have to be an expert to understand it correctly... Here we're talking a language that's basically understandable 2000 years later!
@user-cw9tc8pm3h
@user-cw9tc8pm3h 7 лет назад
MrMikeTheMan89 2500-3000 years
@Porkey798
@Porkey798 7 лет назад
Well there is linear B and it dates back to mycean times but thats a different story
@Porkey798
@Porkey798 7 лет назад
Well there is linear B and it dates back to mycean times but thats a different story
@mikem9001
@mikem9001 6 лет назад
Not quite. Texts from Germanic languages 400 years ago are easy to understand today. Even go back to Chaucer, 600 years ago, its not that difficult for a modern English speaker to follow. Yes, Greek is "basically understandable" 2,000 years later, but 2,500 years later its more difficult, and 2,800 years later its quite difficult. It also depends on the dialect - Sappho's Aeolic Greek is more difficult for a modern Greek speaker than Homer.
@Enigmatism415
@Enigmatism415 6 лет назад
You'd love Chinese...
@jorham1
@jorham1 6 лет назад
I like very much greek language,both ancient and modern...I like it because is the language of ancient Greece,Hellenistic kingdoms and eastern roman empire.language of the new testament spoken also in ancient Rome. Greetings from Italy
@Greekmilsim
@Greekmilsim 3 года назад
Thank you
@DimitrisTziounis
@DimitrisTziounis 11 месяцев назад
Ciao dalla Grecia e migliori auguri per il tuo paese!
@georgios_5342
@georgios_5342 4 года назад
The person who made this has very in-depth knowledge of Greek, while his pronunciation does seem foreign. Props to you, must have taken a long time to learn both Modern and Ancient forms so well.
@user-cd5lh4ii6o
@user-cd5lh4ii6o 7 лет назад
Why is it that Old English is a completely different language from modern English but the much older Greek stayed the same language over the millenia?
@christiancristof491
@christiancristof491 6 лет назад
Normans' French HUGE influence on the language.
@aeonia_anassa
@aeonia_anassa 8 лет назад
This video is maybe the only out there which is legit, and I realized that from the first few seconds when you said "the ancient greek and modern greek are the same language". Was a pleasure to watch it! Ευχαριστώ!
@philopatoron9598
@philopatoron9598 7 лет назад
Ofcourse now days internet is full of non legit information. Political propaganda, falsification of History etc etc. As a result those beautiful things are the first victims of this chaotic degeneracy we live in.
@spirou55
@spirou55 8 лет назад
Wow man, i'm greek and i'm a school teacher and i'm learning new things from you! Thank you!
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 8 лет назад
Σας ευχαριστώ πολύ!
@kostas919
@kostas919 4 года назад
@George Raptis και γιατί ανοησίες;
@dalina25
@dalina25 3 года назад
Ancient Greeks were Albanians 🇦🇱 PROOF ---> Olympia = O Lumt Shpia = Glories House Aphrodite = Afer dita = Near day Hera = Era = Wind Apollo = Apelon = Appeal Rhea = Reja = Clouds. Pandora = Pun dore = Handmade Zeus = ZEU & Zot -> Voice & God Pegasus = Prej nga Zeus = Comes from Zeus Ares = Are = Field. Demeter = Dimer = Winter Hestia = Vjeshta = Autumn Poseidon= Posedon = Owns Triton = Driton = Light Up Thetis = Deti = Sea. Fortuna = Furtuna = Storm Kronos = Krijoj = Create Amalthea = Tamel Dhia = Goat Milk Odyssey = UDHES = Travel Hephaestus = Sefa e Stuse = Joy and Rise Alexander = Aj le si Ander= Born a Dream Hippocrates = Hapi Krahet = Spread your Wings Herodotus = Era e Dites = Day Wind Aristotles = Ari do te les = Born Gold Pericles = Pari ka le = First Born Hercules = Hekur ka le = Iron Born Achilles = Ne Quill les = Born in The Sky Medusa = Me Dy Sy --> With 2 eyes Oracles of Pythia = Ora/Oda ku Len Nje Pytje = Room where you ask a Question Delphi =Selvije = A most beautiful women Together it says = The room where you to ask the most beautiful women a question. SPARTA = Shpata = Sword an Philip 2nd = Prince The Second Alexander was Philip the Third Arvanites: Live in Greece for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Arbëreshë: Live in Italy for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Arnavut: Live in Turkey for thousands of years, and speak 🇦🇱 Alexander’s Hunza ,Kalash , Pamir , Tokhari people: Live in Asia for thousands of years, and use Albanians words 🇦🇱 Where are the Greek Speakers, that settled somewhere in the World, for thousands of years, and speak Ancient Greek ????? WAKE UP People !!! ANCIENT GREECE SPOKE ALBANIAN!! @ancient_albania Instagramahddgs
@stratos8
@stratos8 3 года назад
@@dalina25 r/ijusthadastroke
@metigame1450
@metigame1450 3 года назад
So you are going to teach the kids in school what you learned in youtube 🤣 what a joke
@promy563
@promy563 7 лет назад
Some hard word such as νάυς are still used in complex words such as ναυτικός, ναυλώνω, ναυσταθμος etc. However, πλοίο and other substitute words can be found in ancient Greek (πλοίο comes from πλέω- εν πλώ meaning floating). Other words, that were used as adjectives for the main word are now used as nouns as well. For example, ύδωρ is water in ancient Greek and when someone wanted to have fresh water that would be νεαρόν ύδωρ. But everyone wanted fresh water so they started calling it νεαρόν meaning fresh (water). So today we call it νερό.
@gnostie
@gnostie 6 лет назад
Finally, a voice of sanity. Poor Erasmus seems to have a lot to answer for. Would you consider doing a more extensive video on specific differences, when such differences occur? Or maybe there already exists a Koine-Modern comparison?
@apartofspeech
@apartofspeech 8 лет назад
Great video! I have found something like this so long. Thank you, bro.
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 8 лет назад
Thank you!
@grumposaurus
@grumposaurus 8 лет назад
Thanks! Greek, right off the bat. Very interesting and useful. It's great that you are posting again.
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 8 лет назад
Thanks for the kind words!
@debo2128
@debo2128 3 года назад
''The man'' in Ancient Greek (declension) ὁ ἄνθρωπος, ἄνθρωπε, τὸν ἄνθρωπον, τοῦ ἀνθρώπου τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ. ''The man'' in Modern Greek : ο άνθρωπος, , άνθρωπε, τον άνθρωπο, του ανθρώπου. So, many things disappeared, but what remained is just incredible. I know no other language that kept so much ancient stuff and diclensions, conjugations, etc. I'd say ancient Greek is the basement of modern Greek but many words and prepositions disappeared.
@jimelihel
@jimelihel 2 года назад
I always thought it was “ο άνθρος” in Modern Greek, but I’m by no means an expert. Perhaps someone else can explain this to me?
@enyalios316
@enyalios316 Год назад
@@jimelihel Never heard of that. There is the dated demotic variant ἄθρωπος which already occurred during mid Koine. Or maybe you are confusing it with the genitive of ἀνήρ (ἀνδρός). Today we say just ἄνθρωπος.
@TheBitchiness
@TheBitchiness 6 лет назад
This video is exquisite. Please make more like this.
@rodrigopadron6655
@rodrigopadron6655 7 лет назад
Thank very much, you help us so much in our journey to learning geek. Excellent video. Please make more.
@richardknorr1259
@richardknorr1259 8 лет назад
This video is great, exactly what I was looking for! Thank you! The other two possible videos you mentioned in your video about the origin of modern Greek lexicography and about the historical development of Greek and Latin are also really interesting topics! I'd love to see some videos about them!
@philopatoron9598
@philopatoron9598 7 лет назад
Greek has the most documented linguistic evolution in the world. There is not ancient and modern Greek language. The language is one and evolved.
@SpiralBreeze
@SpiralBreeze 7 лет назад
Philopator On It's how I impress people by reading the pottery at the museum. "But that's ancient Greek!"
@nixter888
@nixter888 6 лет назад
Chinese can be traced back to a hypothetical Sino-Tibetan proto-language. The first written records appeared over 3,000 years ago during the Shang dynasty...Greek linear B ...the oldest Mycenaean writing, dates to about 1450 BC. older than Chines...
@arthurpinn3731
@arthurpinn3731 6 лет назад
i agree, it isnt different like old english and modern day english
@arthurpinn3731
@arthurpinn3731 6 лет назад
which chinese?
@epicstimulus282
@epicstimulus282 6 лет назад
belinskii Greek is better documented and Ancient Chinese evolved into different languages.
@TheDalitis8
@TheDalitis8 7 лет назад
Εξαιρετικό βίντεο για τα αρχαία και νέα ελληνικά! Ερχόμενος από Κύπρο, μπορώ να ισχυριστώ ότι η δικιά μας διάλεκτος είναι κάπως πιο κοντά στην αρχαία ελληνική απ'ότι η δημοτική. Για παράδειγμα, στην Κυπριακή διάλεκτο, θα πούμε: "πάμε εις την Θάλασσαν" αντί για "πάμε στη Θάλασσα" Exceptional video on the differences between ancient and modern Greek. Coming from Cyprus, I can "brag" that our local dialect is somewhat closer to ancient Greek than the modern Greek demotic. For example, in the Cypriot dialect, we would readily say: "πάμε εις την Θάλασσαν" instead of "πάμε στη Θάλασσα".
@savvasperisanidis
@savvasperisanidis 5 лет назад
dalitis dalitis λαλείς σωστά όπως και εμείς οι Πόντιοι που ομιλούμε τα Ρωμαϊκά
@charalampostsouflidis7212
@charalampostsouflidis7212 5 лет назад
Λέτε ,πάτε Εις την θαλασσαν,όχι πάτε άις την θάλασσαν όπως αυτή που πιστεύουν οι Ερασμους μαλακες!
@andrem1403
@andrem1403 5 лет назад
@@charalampostsouflidis7212 Στους υποστηρικτές της Ερασμικής να πείτε να προφέρουν την πρόταση "οι ποιηταί ποίησιν ποιοῦσι". Το αποτέλεσμα μάλλον θα ακουσθεί σαν κινέζικη γλώσσα και όχι ελληνική
@kostas919
@kostas919 4 года назад
@@andrem1403 αν το πεις λυρικά όπως υποστηρίζεται από αυτούς μια χαρά ελληνικότατο ακούγεται.
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 4 года назад
I hear Pontic Greek speakers are even closer.
@drexelmildraff7580
@drexelmildraff7580 5 лет назад
Love your videos.
@cfroi08
@cfroi08 5 лет назад
My Ancient Greek professor INSISTS they are different languages. But most Modern Greeks that are 18+ years old can look at ancient greek and understand the general idea of the sentence. I think Ancient Greek to Modern Greek is like Middle English to Modern English speakers. May I remind you that English speakers CANNOT do this with Old English, not only that but the meat and potatoes of Ancient Greek (the endings and articles) are nearly identical in Modern Greek. Greek has stood the test of time and Ancient Greek was used in literature as recently as the 1800's, then the failed Kathrevousa lasted until the 1970's. Hell, my professor is not even aware of the Iotakismos. I feel that one ought to learn Modern Greek before Ancient Greek, and that they increase your understanding of the language on a level that cannot be described. εκπαιδεύση literally means "out of childhood" and is the word for education. αποστασή means distance but literally means "from the stop". Χταποδί is literally "eight feet" and is Octopus. You grow to love this language and understand it on a level that cannot be described with words except for passion. You view every word as not an abstract idea using letters, but a combination of words that make understanding simple and easy (more often than not comical).
@wothin
@wothin 5 лет назад
Different languages are more innovative and/or conservative in various areas. Similar how Italian looks very similar to Latin, and an Italian speaker can be able to understand the general idea of a sentence, it's not the same for a french person, since French changed much more from latin than Italian or Spanish or Romanian for example. English is one of the most innovative Germanic languages, thus it's not surprise. If you look at German however, the difference between old language and the modern one is much smaller and one is able to get a general sense of the meaning. Lithuanian is even more conservative than Greek.
@cfroi08
@cfroi08 5 лет назад
@@wothin English isn't conservative because the British were constantly being invaded and had influence from French, German, and North Germanic languages (they were awful fighters). I doubt an Italian would be able to for a lot of sentences given the fact that all of the cases and one gender was lost. Lithuanian is probably going to be the next language I learn, the fact it's so conservative and close to PIE is appealing to me. That's a few years down the road however.
@wothin
@wothin 5 лет назад
@@cfroi08 Being invaded may be a factor, but many language are more innovative and more conservative in certain areas of their language, just because without much reason. French for example is much more innovative than English, and it wasn't invaded by other forces a whole lot. Lithuanian and Latvian were invaded for the last centuries, however one can't really see them becoming much more innovative, especially not Lithuanian. Good luck learning Lithuanian, however. It's kind of hard, since there isn't that much learning material out there, comparably speaking.
@wothin
@wothin 5 лет назад
@Jim K **The reason why some make the argument that modern and ancient Greek are different language has to deal with racism towards Greeks.** No that's just greeks placing pride over logic. Modern Greek is to ancient Greek as is Italian or Romanian (or the other languages derived from that) to Latin. The difference is that unlike Latin, Greek didn't spread across the Mediterranean thus there seems to be only one major Greek variant, thus people didn't have a need to differentiate as it is in the case of Latin. Most say that technically two variants of languages are then two different languages if there is a low intelligibility. Most Greeks can't understand Ancient Greek except some words just reading it, most modern Greeks will understand even less ifd Ancient greek is spoken in reconstructed Ancient pronunciation. The change was gradual over the years, as is the vase in all languages, but if a modern greek can't understand Ancient Greek if it is spoken with the reconstructed pronunciation, then it's a different language. * Such people typically don't apply their own alleged rules of "different language" to their own native language which typically has far less in common with ancient counterparts than Greek does. They typically do this with culture as well... ignoring they have far less on common culturally with their claimed ancient counterparts than Greeks. Then come the biology arguments. The Nazis who claimed themselves pure Aryans wheres they argued Greeks were too mongrelized to be "real" Greeks.* That is really irrelevant to the discussion about language. Stop using a straw man. * What people that stress differences are really trying to say is modern Greeks today are unrelated to ancient Greeks. The Fallmerayer myth sadly continues to be mainstream despite modern DNA testing showing modern Greeks are closely genetically related to ancient Greeks. There has been some admixture of course but after two thousand years every ethnic group has some.This would include ironically Fallmerayer who glossed over modern Germans received genetic inputs from Slavs, Normans, Celts, Greeks, Romans, and others over the ages.* What? Whether modern greeks are related to ancient greeks is really irrelevant to linguistics. Modern day greeks are mostly descendants from Ancient greeks similar how modern day Egyptians are the descendants of ancient egyptians, even though most don't speak the language derived from Ancient Egyptian (that would be coptic, but it's dying out). I don't know who this Fallmerayer is, but he is irrelevant to linguistics and nobody cares about him.
@wothin
@wothin 5 лет назад
@Jim K * Oh irony you lecture on logic Tuk... a word with a Greek etymology... You are proving my point about rational inconsistency with your ad-hoc analogies..* Lol, oringinally it has a Proto-Indo-European etymology. Get off your high horse. The reason why we even use Greek words, is because of the Roman Empire. *What is framed as "Old English" has LESS in common with modern Greek than Alexanderian era Koine Greek has modern Greek. Do modern English claim old English is a "different language" despite that it has more in common with ancient German than modern Englsh? Not usually. Ditto for pretty much any language that has been around from 1000 year or more. * Yes, it is considered a different language, because it's unintelligible to a modern English speaker. Similar how Ancient Greek with the correct reconstructed pronunciation is unintelligible to a Modern Greek speaker. There are no hard borders between what's a language, what's a variant and what's a dialect, but at least if one can't really understand it, it's practically speaking a different language. Also it has more in common with German, but it's still unintelligible. *Just one more gibberish ad-hoc narration that ignores actual genetic facts. Greeks have more n common genetically with ancient Greeks than most of those that lecture Greeks on this issue have in common with their own claimed ancestors. * Did you even read what I wrote? I said Modern Greeks are mostly the descendants of the Greeks who lived on that land for thousand of years. *The same unprincipled approach applies to culture.. Greeks ty[icall have far more in common culturally with ancient Greeks than any of our patronizing detractors have in common with their claimed roots.* Not really. Be it, Slavs, Germanics, Latin people or Greeks, culturally speaking they are vastly differently, especially because of Christianity. Many traditions we have all over Europe come from Christianity, it's the same with Greeks. *You hold Greeks to a different standard than you do yourselves. You look for impurities and discontinuities with Greeks... and ignore the more glaring impurities and discontinuities in yourself. Hypocrisy isn't much of an argument dude. It's called prejudice for a reason. * No. I hold the greeks to the same standard as everybody else. Italian is also a different language from Latin, Similarly how all the Germanic languages are different languages from Proto-Germanic. It's the same with Ancient Greek and modern Greek.
@Arkoudeides.
@Arkoudeides. 5 лет назад
As a native Greek reading ancient Greek of New Testament is very easy because its actually the same.And its a 18 centuries book.Going more back in time thinks change a bit but if you read carefully you can understand that's there is not to much difference.
@arolemaprarath6615
@arolemaprarath6615 2 года назад
Megas Alexandrous. Konstantinoupoli. Athena.
@ratioaeterna217
@ratioaeterna217 8 лет назад
Great video as always. It's so nice to see you on YT after such a long time. You could have also mentioned the following: 1) Pronunciation of αι, γ and γκ 2) No distinction in pronouncing short and long vowels - ο=ω 3) Spiritus asper is no longer pronounced 4) Change from pitch accent to dynamic accent 5) Adoption monotonic orthography instead of polytonic orthography (1981) 6) Dual forms finally ceased to exist (both in nominal and verbal inflection) 7) Disappearance of temporal augment, and in some cases syllabic augment… I'm looking forward to your new videos about ancient languages.
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 8 лет назад
Thank you! You're right, I should have mentioned these as well, but I didn't want the video to get too long. I'll add these too the description
@NewarkBay357
@NewarkBay357 6 лет назад
I loved this video & want to see more.
@savvasavraam8670
@savvasavraam8670 3 года назад
Wonderful video😁 one thing to say: we may not use some words but we use their derivatives. For example for ship we say Ploio instead of Naus but for sailer we say Nautis. Also for king we say Basileas instead of Anax but the home of the king is called Anaktoro. Or Brux for deep sea we simply say deep sea, so two words. But for submarine we say hypobruxio. So „lost“ words are used today, just not directly but through synthetic words.
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 6 лет назад
Brilliant!
@olbiomoiros
@olbiomoiros 6 лет назад
Actually the one with the "n " at 4:00 we changed it and we now use the n again, but only for the male words
@leniwrea1551
@leniwrea1551 5 лет назад
Thank you! We may still use "το γράφειν" ...I was using such archaistic expressions in my school essays...You are a great teacher!
@enyalios316
@enyalios316 4 года назад
Would archaic forms still be seen as correct in greek schools? Not only the infinitive but also things like γράφομεν, εις, γαρ, νυν, μεν - δε, ίνα [...] I wasn‘t raised in Greece. So i am curious :D
@ornessarhithfaeron3576
@ornessarhithfaeron3576 3 года назад
@@enyalios316 Depends, really. Some archaistic expressions are seen as "okay" and "highly formal", some of them (or excessive use of them) can be considered "bad"
@aristideau5072
@aristideau5072 5 лет назад
As Greek is my second language I had no problem with the Greek words and their pronunciation, but had a hell of a time understanding the English part of the video. You should make a video explaining what all those terms mean, eg declension, accusative etc, a sort "learn how to learn a language" video. I think I would have a difficult time learning Greek from scratch.
@thogameskanaal
@thogameskanaal 3 года назад
Thank you for making this video! I thought that ancient Greek and modern Greek were very different, but it turns out it comes down to some very slight changes that together sort of create a waterfall effect, making the two languages seem distinct, but Greek is a very conservative language and I'd go as far as to say modern Greek is a dialect of ancient Greek, just a different enough one to not be mutually intelligible by untrained speakers. I guess it's similar to how modern Icelandic could be considered a dialect of Old Norse. Modern Icelandic speakers can more or less read Old Norse texts, and just by looking at direct translations, you can see the two are basically the same language, with some slight differences in pronunciation and word choice.
@sebucwerd
@sebucwerd 8 лет назад
It is good to see you posting again! Thanks for the video! What have you been learning recently?
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 8 лет назад
Thanks! I think you'll get a feel for what I've been up to in my upcoming videos...
@ericebel133
@ericebel133 7 лет назад
What does it mean that two of the most dramatic grammatical changes between ancient and modern Greek -- the replacement of complementary infinitives with subjunctives and the disappearance of the separate future tense -- are parallel to Arabic and, AFAIK, other Semitic languages? In Arabic, the complementary infinitive is rendered by the subjunctive (very close to the indicative) preceded by the particle "an." (Cf. the Greek "na.") The Arabic future is the present preceded by the particle "sa." (Cf. the Greek "tha.") Is this just a coincidence or was there an influence?
@AndrewGorny
@AndrewGorny 7 лет назад
In isolated parts of Turkey you can still hear the whispers of the infinitive here and there in Greek. I'm not a pro, but my best guess would be yes, but by way of Turkish so the chain might go Arabic->Turkish->Greek.
@jimelihel
@jimelihel 2 года назад
Very appreciative of this video and the information it contains. One thing I didn’t notice that you mentioned, however. I’m not sure how you categorize it, though. It’s the loss of the breathing mark in writing and the resulting pronunciation change. Example: helios to ilios.
@jimelihel
@jimelihel 2 года назад
(I should not have said “resulting“. The breathing mark was still in the written language until demotic became official in the 1980s, I think.)
@gaetanoalessi3746
@gaetanoalessi3746 7 лет назад
Could anyone recommend me the best books you know to learn ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics and the Akkadian language? I really need it. Congratulations for your channel, deka glossai, the most useful I found about ancient languages!
@nikolaosaggelopoulos8113
@nikolaosaggelopoulos8113 5 лет назад
You will find the diphthongs AY and EY written as AFY and EFY in some archaic epigraphy (pre-5th C BC), using the bau or digamma.There are also words in inscriptions like FOINOΣ for the Latin Vinus. Attic was just one dialect among many.
@afrodite3811
@afrodite3811 6 лет назад
such a good video!! Καλή δουλειά!!!
@angelosgeorgakis5663
@angelosgeorgakis5663 7 лет назад
Bravo, bravo! Πολύ πολύ καλό βίντεο!
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 7 лет назад
Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
@Ramidemi710
@Ramidemi710 6 лет назад
It actually changed a lot less over this long period of time than for example germanic languages like English or German from the middle ages until now
@DrWhom
@DrWhom 4 года назад
@@cfroi08 Re-read your own comment carefully. The "they" or your first sentence is not the same "the English" as the "they" of your second sentence! The "English" that were invaded by Vikings and Normans were a mixture of romanised Britons and Anglo-Saxons. The invaders, particularly the latter, than became the ruling class, and it is these "they" that led the expanse of the British Empire. To this day, Brits will lecture me on their eternal war with the French, prompting me to think - if you knew your own history, you would realise you _are_ the French. I never say this out loud, because there is no hope of having a reasonable conversation with an Englishman.
@thiefofknights6543
@thiefofknights6543 3 года назад
Deipatrous what the hell was that? French may have influenced English, but it’s definitely not the mother language of English. English may look and sound more Romance that other Germanic languages, but the grammar of English, specifically the syntax, is very similar to other Germanic languages. And what the hell is romanized Britons and Anglo-Saxons? Latin did not have a major influence on Britonnic and Germanic languages within the British Isles. The Romance influence on English came from the Normans. They were not romanized beforehand. tl;dr, you don’t know English history either
@coulton-davisjazz2872
@coulton-davisjazz2872 Год назад
Thanks!
@NewCalculus
@NewCalculus 5 лет назад
I am Greek and most of what you say I am convinced is correct. Your pronunciation isn't perfect, but pretty good because I could understand it easily. Good video!
@LordyByron
@LordyByron 7 лет назад
Would like to hear something about Pontic Greek, spoken in Northeastern Turkey, in this ancient-modern context. The grammar, vocabulary are different enough from standard Greek that the languages are mostly mutually untintelligible.
@ody1212
@ody1212 2 года назад
Would be very interested in that Greek lexicon vid!
@GeoBBB123
@GeoBBB123 3 года назад
Many elements of 'Ancient Greek' are retained in the numerous modern Greek dialects some of which are quite archaic in part.
@AndrewGorny
@AndrewGorny 7 лет назад
But I absolutely see what you mean, the highly educated literary people in Greece like newspaper editors and others will find clever ways to sneak in archaic forms and still be writing and speaking understandably.
@hebrewgreek7420
@hebrewgreek7420 6 лет назад
Basically the only phonological differences between Roman-period Koiné Greek and modern Greek pronunciation are that οι and υ were /ü/, and η was a separate phoneme /e/ within many dialects of the Roman period. Aspiration dropped out of the language during Koiné times and was not pronounced by most. “[E]ven in some dialects in early times, like Ionic, this /h/ did not exist and was not pronounced.“ And “[i]n the Athenian spelling reform of 403 BCE, the ancient sign for this aspiration Η was dropped out of the general writing system.” For details see www.biblicallanguagecenter.com/koine-greek-pronunciation/. Go here to listen to samples of reconstructed Koiné pronunciation: www.biblicallanguagecenter.com/greek-mp3-samples/.
@PianoForFun
@PianoForFun 5 лет назад
Thank you for this informative and well-made video. I would like to ask, however, which is the source that provides us with the correct pronunciation of ancient greek?
@peche184
@peche184 4 года назад
I think ancient greek sound like gaelic
@jimelihel
@jimelihel 2 года назад
I’d like to know this, too. Interestingly, my father, who was from Athens, told me the exact same pronunciation differences that you state at the beginning of your video. But I always wondered how anyone knew! Perhaps it is because there are certain groups of people, perhaps eastern orthodox monks, who maintained the ancient pronunciation throughout the ages? If so, of course, we just have to trust that things did not evolve within that small Society as well.
@taudir2459
@taudir2459 3 месяца назад
We know this because of a) Spelling errors in inscriptions b) Evidence from comparison with other Indo-European languages c) Evidence from transcriptions of Greek words into Latin d) Statements of Ancient Greek grammarians (who, for example, inform us about the diphthongal pronunciation of αι, οι, αυ, ευ) There are certainly a lot more, which means we have a pretty clear picture of what Greek in the 4th or 3rd century BC sounded like
@Svourasgr1
@Svourasgr1 7 лет назад
You are missing the drop of the dual number, the δυϊκός, as in singular, dual and plural.
@YeshuaIsTheTruth
@YeshuaIsTheTruth 6 лет назад
I've been studying Koine, but I've always wanted to know Modern as well. Would it be more of a help or a hindrance to try to learn both simultaneously?
@rainstormr7650
@rainstormr7650 6 лет назад
it would not only be a help but a big help....at least thats been my experience in more than one ways
@TMPOUZI
@TMPOUZI 4 года назад
not that different anyways
@serbiantraveler7894
@serbiantraveler7894 5 лет назад
I want to learn modern Greek... Does anyone know any good audio lessons? Thanks :)
@duckdialectics8810
@duckdialectics8810 5 лет назад
Pimsleur has 30 classes, it is a great course.
@jimelihel
@jimelihel 2 года назад
Duo lingo (an app) seems pretty good as a way to learn a language. I used it mostly a few years back for Portuguese. I will say, however that it’s not something for tourists, I. E., It doesn’t teach you all the conversational stuff you need right away. I looked over the Greek lessons, and they looked OK. But I already know a little bit of Greek so I am not an impartial judge.
@altralinguamusica
@altralinguamusica 8 лет назад
Great video! I would also recommend "The Development of the Greek Language" by Wendy Moleas. If you decide to buy/read it, I'd love to know what you thoughts on it are. Post more videos! I missed them! And what happened to the old ones of you speaking in Modern Greek, for example? And about Vox Latina? :) I was looking for your videos before to help a student of mine!
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 8 лет назад
Thanks for the recommendation! I'll to order a copy. I'll post some more videos of me speaking Greek (ancient and modern) and Latin in the near future.
@ratioaeterna217
@ratioaeterna217 8 лет назад
I've never read the book written by W. Moleas, but from reviews I got an impression that it was not so good (pre-Byzantine parts had some errors), that it was not useful for classical philologists and linguists, and that it was intended for general audience with interest in Greek language. Positive aspects of the book are that it is concise, has good literary examples with english translation and the language used in this book is not too technical. The best introductory book onthis topic is still - Medieval and Modern Greek - R. Browning - 1983. Horrock's book is more detailed and updated - Greek: A History of the Language and its Speakers - G. Horrocks - 2014. Histoire du grec moderne: La formation d'une langue - H. Tonnet - 2003 - is useful. Reference books (about Ancient Greek history, concluding with Koine): A Companion to the Ancient Greek Language - 2014 A History of Ancient Greek: From the Beginnings to Late Antiquity - 2007 There is a new book (though I didn't have a chance to look through this book, but from the contents its mostly dealing with Ancient Greek, and has one final chapter dedicated to Byzantine and Modern Greek) - A Brief History of Ancient Greek - S. Colvin - 2014.
@waljsl
@waljsl 8 лет назад
yay deka glossai is back!
@dolfanmike2k11
@dolfanmike2k11 6 лет назад
Hello I was wondering if anybody could help me with a translation, I am wanting to get a tattoo of the Socrates quote “i know that i know nothing”, but I dont want it to be in Modern Greek cause that would be inaccurate, so if anyone could help me with the correct grammar and spelling of said quote in Attic, spoken by Plato if im not mistaken, would be much appreciated !!
@takater9426
@takater9426 5 лет назад
ἕν οἶδα, ὅτι οὐδέν οἶδα
@TMPOUZI
@TMPOUZI 4 года назад
ΕΝ ΟΙΔΑ ΟΤΙ ΟΥΔΕΝ ΟΙΔΑ in simpler capitals And Socrates probably never said it that way, because there is no such quote written anywhere in Plato's texts
@Summertraveling
@Summertraveling Год назад
Since when did Jan misali start using a different font
@hafsa.boumihafsaboumi1705
@hafsa.boumihafsaboumi1705 6 лет назад
Oh hey! Plz I'm really interested in the ancient Greek ,, and i genuinely wanna learn it , so shall i learn modern first ? *Thanx in advance :3*
@Arkoudeides.
@Arkoudeides. 6 лет назад
Hafsa.boumi Hafsaboumi Yes.Actually hellenistic period of new testament is about the same.
@chad2852
@chad2852 7 лет назад
at the pronunciation the αυ,ευ the valled (af,ef) or (av,ev)
@margaritisskg
@margaritisskg 6 лет назад
Θερμά συγχαρητήρια! Χάρις σε εσάς καταλαβαίνουμε όλοι μας καλύτερα τα ελληνικά! Μου άρεσε πιο πολύ απ΄όλα που στην αρχή του βίντεο τονίσατε πως τα αρχαία με τα νέα ελληνικά είναι η ίδια γλώσσα, η οποία στο πέρασμα του χρόνου έχει υποστεί όλες αυτές τις μεταβολές και τις αλλαγές. Δυστυχώς, πολλοί άνθρωποι πιστεύουν πως πρόκειται για διαφορετικές γλώσσες.
@BarbaPamino
@BarbaPamino 8 лет назад
Great vid. I do have a question though since I've noticed that your pronunciation of modern Greek is off, specifically when you said εντάξει it sound closer to en-taw-xi. In modern Greek is much stronger short vowel sound. It can vary on the person of course with how along the vowels can get but it never changes its ah sound to get to an awe sound. So how certain can we ever be to how the ancient language was spoken?
@user-sd8ec5jv2z
@user-sd8ec5jv2z 8 лет назад
This guy doesn't actually know. Why would the entire set of dipthongs just change like that? I understand that modern Greek doesn't sound the same as Homer's Greek, but it sure as hell didn't sound like what modern linguists think. It loses all of its beauty and poetic elegance in the "ancient" pronunciation. There are even quotes in Plato that propagate the dipthongs sounding like modern Greek. It sounds simply too alien to be the evolution of greek, especially since there are no real reasons for it to change like that (no conqueror that enforced a linguistic change with the exception of Turks).
@BarbaPamino
@BarbaPamino 8 лет назад
truth is that no one really knows. I'm sure the laguage changed quite a bit in between Homer and Athens. Much like English changed between Beowolf and Shakespeare. Maybe not that drastic. It was different city states with different cultures that joined together. I'd imagine I would have a really hard time communicating in Ancient Greece.
@cazwalt9013
@cazwalt9013 2 года назад
If the changes in pronunciation and other places happened in the koine period which also ancient history then why is it considered modern?
@polosant
@polosant 4 года назад
In general your video is very explicative and make things more simple than the most videos about i have allready viewed, but there is also, a lot to say, about some particularities, remaining not cleared enought, as in suite with some particular exemple ....for exemple, Ενώ, also ενόσω, in fact, means meanwhile, in that time, (in FR pendant ce temps, cependant..)..en o, also is an abreviation of, ''en afto'', as, the form of en' (aft)o = Εν' (αυτ)ώ....and so on for many things about a real comrehension of the differents forms of pronounciation....the ancient greek languise is allmost the same in meanings and in termes of algebric and geometrical formes as Pythagoras have explored the roots and the magic holly spells of each letter and phrase...as for the formula ''abracadabra''... which means ''as from them, so to thoses'' or as from those so in this or in them,.... ab ra ca da bra...the magic of the magical spell in ancient greece come from gods themselfs, because that was the god's language, for use to sing the magical majesty of nature, on life,...magical nature, magic sounds....magic to discover by your own....
@strnbrg59
@strnbrg59 3 года назад
What you've described here is the Demotic, or the Katharevousa?
@ody1212
@ody1212 2 года назад
Demotic.
@LisicaPustinjska
@LisicaPustinjska 8 лет назад
Amice, dicendum est te optimum esse. Omnia dixisti. Pauci homines ''occidentales'' sciunt hoc quid narras. Vale.
@guillaumemidelton9152
@guillaumemidelton9152 6 лет назад
Risi cum scriptum tuum legerem, ignosce me. Sed miratus sum hominem qui latine scribere potest videre ^^
@thesicilygamers
@thesicilygamers 6 лет назад
Ita est! Pulcherrimum est posse facere ut antiqui, qui loquebantur de Graeca lingua et de rebus antiquis, utentes Latinam et Graecam linguam
@bilosan97
@bilosan97 5 лет назад
Dude this sounds like latin .?? Wth
@andresvillanueva5421
@andresvillanueva5421 4 года назад
@@bilosan97 It is Latin.
@anthonymorgano7346
@anthonymorgano7346 4 года назад
Brilliant
@emeraldknight22
@emeraldknight22 5 лет назад
I learned Koine Greek. All I can say is it was rough. There are some similarities and differences in how to pronounce some of the letters together.
@user-re3zu1yj3z
@user-re3zu1yj3z 2 года назад
Is the word "koine" pronounced as it seems or as "kine"?
@steliopapakonstantinou674
@steliopapakonstantinou674 2 года назад
In modern Greek is pronounced 'kiní', where í is the stemmed vowel. 😊
@user-re3zu1yj3z
@user-re3zu1yj3z 2 года назад
@@steliopapakonstantinou674 You are a blessing! Thanks for enlightening me. I'm learning Greek and it's unique!
@sto_karfi842
@sto_karfi842 5 лет назад
what was the letter for the pronunciation of [v] in ancient greek?
@luizsilveiramc
@luizsilveiramc 5 лет назад
Only a few dialects probably had the phoneme /v/.
@massimopalaja
@massimopalaja 6 лет назад
thank you for this great video! I'm italian and I've been studying ancient greek for 5 years when I was at school. I've always been courious about one thing: is it possible, for a modern greek, to read and to understand at least a great part of a classic greek text? at least a simple one?
@user-ve6lg8gg5f
@user-ve6lg8gg5f 4 года назад
Depends on the writer
@electrachristidi
@electrachristidi 2 года назад
Yes it is possible (even kind of moving sometimes)! I mean if you consider that there are ancient greek words which are being used in the exact same way in modern Greek it makes it even easier. I am not saying it's like a piece of cake let's say but if you put effort into it, it can be done! I was always wondering the same about Latin and Modern Italian language but I assume something similar is possible for you as well. Greetings from Greece!
@ninelaivz4334
@ninelaivz4334 2 года назад
In teoria posso leggere tutto il greco che c'e' scritto sulla Stele di Rosetta e capisco il significato delle prime 20 parole ma non riesco a capire quello che segue perche' le parole sono attaccate l'una l'altra. I can read all the Rosetta stone and understand the meaning of the first 20 words but then I lose it because the words have no spaces between them.
@massimopalaja
@massimopalaja 2 года назад
@@electrachristidi Thank you Electra! Latin and Italian are more different, of course the majority of words in Italian is coming from latin, but the construction of the sentences and the grammar are completely different. If an Italian that has never been studying latin tried to translate a simple excerpt from a classic author he couldn't understand more then 10%
@electrachristidi
@electrachristidi 2 года назад
@@massimopalaja The fact that the construction of the sentences and the grammar changed a lot makes sense to me if you consider the timelessness of the language through the origin of its words. I mean, it kind of makes sense to me (because unfortunately I don't speak Italian) but 10% is still a good percentage, don't you think? Thanks for the explanation anyway!
@moorooster223
@moorooster223 3 года назад
1:21 you mispronounced the voiced dental fricative. you added that it's not to be confused with the unvoiced but you said the unvoiced. Δ is like the th in the word the.
@amigostoso
@amigostoso 6 лет назад
i've heard the word thalasa in the pontic greek "Romeika" the ancient Greek dialect sorry for mistakes I'm just interested in this language ... beautiful language
@gurchtschalllly
@gurchtschalllly 7 лет назад
so did you make a vid about the vocab?
@dekaglossai
@dekaglossai 7 лет назад
it's in the works...
@lazyperson7343
@lazyperson7343 9 месяцев назад
1:29 Actually μπ and ντ, are not exactly b and d. If they're in the middle of a word (of greek origin), μπ sounds like mb and ντ sounds like nd.
@stefanosvlachos
@stefanosvlachos 3 года назад
Modern Greek is just the evolution of ancient Greek. That's why the have differences. They are not different languages ( Greek are spoken from at least 4000 years. It's logical to have some changes throughout the years).
@Muck-qy2oo
@Muck-qy2oo 3 года назад
And what about pitch and homophones?
@wintutorials2282
@wintutorials2282 5 лет назад
If you live in Holland and are a bit smart, you go to the ‘Gymnasium’ where you learn Ancient Greek and Latin so I was wondering if I could understand modern Greek? I’m 13 now, 2 years of lessons around 600 - 1000 words and almost All important grammar
@wintutorials2282
@wintutorials2282 4 года назад
Tall T.S.S oh that’s really interesting! I didn’t expect that. Thanks! I think I’m going to practice on Duolingo and see how much I can understand and try to automate the pronunciation. Thanks a lot!
@MrGreen428
@MrGreen428 3 года назад
Thanks. The pronunciation of Ancient Greek makes more sense to me than modern.
@panagiotiskarras610
@panagiotiskarras610 10 месяцев назад
Very nice. But why do you say the present passive participle is the only remaining declined participle? How about the past passive participle and others? For example, σωζόμενος, σωσμένος, ...
@enyalios316
@enyalios316 5 месяцев назад
Nothing is ever really thrown out in the Greek language. There are also some active participles which still can be declined ἐνδιαφέρων, -ουσα, -ον. I also often see more formal variants like ἔχων, γράφων, λέγων etc. and it's declined variants
@panagiotiskarras610
@panagiotiskarras610 5 месяцев назад
@@enyalios316 Exactly. There are also all sorts of perfect participles. Here is just a random example, clearly defined as such in wiktionary with declination and all: el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B5%CE%BE%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%BA%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%AD%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%82
@costasyiannourakos6963
@costasyiannourakos6963 3 года назад
Θέλω ειπείν is an expression we have kept saying in modern Greek though.
@rogeliotoledo5821
@rogeliotoledo5821 8 лет назад
χάριν σοι ἔχω / εὐχαριστῶ :)
@dimitriskadilis9615
@dimitriskadilis9615 6 лет назад
Rogelio Toledo πως έχεις τους τόνους στο πληκτρολόγιο σου;
@Arkoudeides.
@Arkoudeides. 6 лет назад
Σου έχω χάρη.
@hermesionisttrismegistus9243
@hermesionisttrismegistus9243 5 лет назад
Ela twra re Prepei arxaia ellinika
@VideoGrabaciones2010
@VideoGrabaciones2010 7 лет назад
Which Greek dialect is considered the source of Modern Greek?
@DimitrisTziounis
@DimitrisTziounis 11 месяцев назад
Modern greek is mainly based on the attic dialect which occured from the ionic one however it still includes many idioms of the other ancient greek dialects. Most of those idioms derive from the doric dialect.
@flaviusbelisarius7517
@flaviusbelisarius7517 5 лет назад
I have to come back to this video every 3 or 4 months because I always forget how modern greek is pronounced
@user-nf4jf9fy6y
@user-nf4jf9fy6y 5 лет назад
Flavius Belisarius: you just have to memorize the ditthongous. Latin has it too , just like greek have always had it! So just study here: ει, οι = i αι = e ου = u αυ = av/ af ευ = ev/ ef
@mikilavush
@mikilavush 7 лет назад
Can anybody here answer and substantiate his answer to the question whether the Ancient Greek word 'poiemasin' 1) means 'works' (which can be either workmanship or spiritual workings, deeds, doings), or 2) means 'things made' (solely workmanship in material sense), or 3) primarily means 'works' but can also mean 'things made' (because 'things made' is a possible synonym for 'works'), or 4) primarily means 'things made' but can also mean 'works' (because 'works' is a possible synonym for 'things made'), or 5) does not have a primary meaning but can mean either 'works' or 'things made'.
@philopatoron9598
@philopatoron9598 7 лет назад
It means both spiritual and workmanship but mostly that word is ascosiated with ''Poetry'' which i believe it comes from the poiemasin itself as an origin.
@mikilavush
@mikilavush 7 лет назад
Philopator On / Interesting answer, thanks. The reason I asked about 'poiemasin' was that in KJV Bible, as well as in other Bible versions in English, in Rom.1:20 it reads that God's invisible properties are being perceived and understood through "the things that are made" (i.e. 'poiemasin' is translated "things made"). However, in for instance Weymouth New Testament, the Swedish official Bible of 1917 and the Croatian Bible, in Rom.1:20 it reads that God's invisible properties are being perceived and understood through " His works" (i.e. 'poiemasin' is translated "works"). The difference between the two alternative translations is substantial, because "the things that are made" can only mean material things in the Creation whereas "His works" can also mean things that God does within humans to reveal his invisible spiritual properties to humans. Something spiritual and invisible, such as God's Power, Lordship, Love, Holiness, Blissfulness and the Word, cannot be perceived and understood through external observation of material things. Someone who within himself has spiritually experienced God, can see that the Creation reflects some of God's properties, but a person who did not have any inner spiritual experiences, cannot just by observing "the things that are made" through his external senses, perceive and understand God's spiritual properties. Hence my conclusion is that in the context of Rom.1:18 - 21 'poiemasin' can only mean "works" whereas the translation "the things that are made" is an arbitrary and misleading paraphrase. Would you agree on that conclusion?
@philopatoron9598
@philopatoron9598 7 лет назад
Note that any kind of work/creation Human or God made comes from within, from our spiritual ego.
@mikilavush
@mikilavush 7 лет назад
Philopator On / I do not know what you are talking about. Your reply is completely incomprehensible, not to say absurd.
@Jackal263
@Jackal263 2 года назад
You guys gotta understand something important. When this lovely guy from deka glossai (thank you for the honory greek name of the channel) says that the changes in pronunciation started around 300-200BC... what he means έμμεσα is that we speak nowadays Alexanders dialect. More or less anyways. Not Miltiades'. Or Leonidas'. We speak the makedonian dialect of greek that dominated when makedonian kingdoms ruled Hellenism. Never forget. Especialy after the national/ethnical treason of Prespa agreement.
@ellastrantellenas278
@ellastrantellenas278 6 лет назад
it seems like modern greek is a faster spoken version of ancient greek.. for example in ancient times autos was pronounced as a/ou/tos now it is spoken faster as just autos....
@dino5869
@dino5869 6 лет назад
what does Nemesis mean?
@Arkoudeides.
@Arkoudeides. 6 лет назад
Rec Group It means fair judgment.
@Arkoudeides.
@Arkoudeides. 6 лет назад
In free translation.
@MyMojo13
@MyMojo13 7 лет назад
from a Greek Epirus Macedonian --- on the mainlands every tribe had it's own dialect... small islands had their own where as bigger islands had 2 or more... so stick to what you know - your own language!!!
@OrbisTertiusChannel
@OrbisTertiusChannel 7 лет назад
Please please respond. I believe that with the letters η θ υ χ have changed the pronunciation. But I need to be sure. Can you say how? Sorry for my bad english and thanks for the video. Is very helpful.
@athenavibrating4858
@athenavibrating4858 7 лет назад
There is no single answer since pronunciation varies depending on the era and dialect. For example η corresponds in many cases to Doric or Aeolic α in other cases to Ionic ε in late Attic it came to be pronounced as ι and many linguists assert that it also underwent a phase when it was pronounced as a diphthong. The current pronunciation of letters derives for the most part from late Attic and it was pretty much finalized when the common (koine) dialect was established although you may still find variations (or traces of) in local Greek dialects today
@OrbisTertiusChannel
@OrbisTertiusChannel 7 лет назад
Yes. That makes sense. Thank you so much for everything.
@TraveltheRedRoad
@TraveltheRedRoad 5 лет назад
Thought I would look into learning Koine Greek, how hard can it be? ...I can't even understand the English words your using to describe the koine words...so I'm just gonna watch some epicfail videos and feel better about myself
@eddiexu77
@eddiexu77 4 года назад
Ancient greek has nothing to do with today's greek. Completely different. Today's greek is koine language ancient greek is more like Latin.
@hanskotto8630
@hanskotto8630 Год назад
I wouldn't say they're not different languages just because they share many similarities because of their relationship. spoken Ancient Greek would be mostly unintelligible to a modern greek speaker right? and also just because theres a fair degree of mutual intelligibility between languages doesnt mean theyre the same. as a German speaker I can read through a dutch text and get a lot of it for example or even read through older germanic languages like old high German but they are still clearly different. Spanish also isnt Italian because Italian and Spanish people can communicate fairly easily gothic isnt German just cause they share a lot too besides their defining differences although defining what languages and what dialects can be tricky sometimes we do separate ancient and modern greek for a reason, though they may in a form represent two points on the same path of evolution as themselves they are very different still I think you may just be little biased towards that issue because of your passion for both languages (?) very nice concise video, keep doing what youre doing :3
@hanskotto8630
@hanskotto8630 Год назад
not denying though that theres lots of conservative features in modern greek, thats in part do to having a continuous line of written standard language for so long
@Hadrianus_Olympius
@Hadrianus_Olympius Год назад
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@BoussiosMarkos
@BoussiosMarkos 3 года назад
As a Greek, I surely congratulate you on your knowledge of the language. However, allow me to say that the tenses Perfect and Pluperfect are not formed with έχω, είχα+participle. Instead of Participle the third person of the Simple Future Tense is used: E.g. Έχω γράψει (I have written) Simple Future: Θα γράψω, θα γράψεις(-ης), θα γράψει (-η). Γράψει isn't Participle. Έχω γράψει, έχεις γράψει, έχει γράψει, έχουμε γράψει, έχετε γράψει, έχουν γράψει! The same with είχα γράψει.
@Katatopianos
@Katatopianos 4 года назад
Geoffrey Horrock’s book is invaluable
@Evagelopoulos862
@Evagelopoulos862 2 года назад
After 2600 years 70% words remain the same between Greek Homeric and Greek modern. Divergence major are sintactic and grammatic. Homeric poems were written this way , in Ionian-Athenian dialect. ....................................................................................................................................... Start Odysseia - Τext Greek Omeric , 6th cent bc. 1 .ΑΝΔΡΑ ΜΟΙ ΕΝΝΕΠΕ ΜΟΥΣΑ ΠΟΛΥΤΡΟΠΟΝ, ΟΣ ΜΑΛΛΑ ΠΟΛΛΑ ΠΛΑΓΧΘΗ, ΕΠΕΙ ΤΡΟΙΗΣ ΙΕΡΟΝ ΠΤΟΛΙΕΘΡΟΝ ΕΠΕΡΣΕ ΠΟΛΛΩΝ Δ΄ΑΝΘΡΩΠΩΝ ΙΔΕΝ ΑΣΤΕΑ ΚΑΙ ΝΟΩΝ ΕΓΝΩ. ....................................................................................................................................... Odysseia - Traslasion in modern Greek by Constantinos Doukas 2007. 1.ΑΝΔΡΑΝ ΕΙΠΕ ΜΟΥ ΜΟΥΣΑ ΠΟΛΥΤΡΟΠΟΝ ΠΟΥ ΠΑΡΑ ΠΟΛΥ ΠΛΑΝΗΘΗ,ΤΗΣ ΤΡΟΙΑΣ ΙΕΡΗΝ ΠΟΛΙΝ ΠΟΡΘΗΣΕ,ΠΟΛΛΩΝ Δ'ΑΝΘΡΩΠΩΝ ΕΙΔΕ ΑΣΤΕΑ ΚΑΙ ΝΟΥΝ ΕΓΝΩΡΙΣΕ. ....................................................................................................................................... Start Iliade - Text Greek Omeric 6th cent bc. 2.ΜΗΝΙΝ ΑΕΙΔΕ , ΘΕΑ, ΠΗΛΗΙΑΔΕΩ ΑΧΙΛΗΟΣ ΟΥΛΟΜΕΝΗΝ , Η ΜΥΡΙ΄ ΑΧΑΙΟΙΣ ΑΛΓΕ ΕΘΗΚΕ,ΠΟΛΛΑΣ Δ΄ΙΦΘΙΜΟΥΣ ΨΥΧΑΣ ΑΙΔΙ ΠΡΟΙΑΨΕΝ , ΗΡΩΩΝ. ....................................................................................................................................... Iliade - Traslasion in modern Greek by Constantinos Doukas 2007. 2 .ΜΗΝΙΝ ΑΔΕ ,ΘΕΑ,ΤΟΥ ΠΗΛΕΙΑΔΟΥ ΑΧΙΛΛΕΩΣ,ΟΛΕΘΡΙΑΝ,ΠΟΥ ΜΥΡΙΑ ΣΤΟΥΣ ΑΧΑΙΟΥΣ ΑΛΓΗ ΕΘΕΣΕ,ΠΟΛΛΕΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΙΕΣ ΨΥΧΕΣ ΣΤΟΝ ΑΔΗ ΕΣΤΕΙΛΕ , ΗΡΩΩΝ. ....................................................................................................................................... Homeric words in Italian language.1 .andro-(ide), epico, musa, tropo-(sfera) , poli-(edro) , iero-(monaco) , antropo-(centrico) , (para)-noia. 2 .mania* , dea , myriade , algia , teca , psyche , Ade , eroe. * L'ILIADE Begin with the word μῆνιν -(menin) , accusative of μῆνις .Homer, wrote in Ionic dialect . Μῆνις in Doric dialect --> μᾶνις (manis , mania).
@user-oj5wt6ph7v
@user-oj5wt6ph7v 4 года назад
Χαίρετε και υγιαίνετε από Ελλάδα!
@zikkicharade
@zikkicharade 8 лет назад
You didn't include about περισπωμένη,δασεία,ψιλή,οξεία,βαριά,
@user-kr8mh4no4k
@user-kr8mh4no4k 7 лет назад
Αυτες χρεισιμοποιουνταν ακομα πριν 50 χρονια. Δεν αξιζε.
@y11971alex
@y11971alex Год назад
What about the biggest -mi verb of them all, “eimi”? It’s not only a -mi verb but also a rare consonant stem -mi verb 😅
@nikvee6330
@nikvee6330 10 месяцев назад
The same stem is in use, but since the -mi verbs don’t exist in MG, the endings have been replaced: 1) by the passive voice endings (-mai, -sai, -maste, -ste) for 1st and 2nd person and 2) by the ancient infinitive “einai” for 3rd person. (εγώ είμαι, εσύ είσαι, αυτός/αυτή/αυτό είναι, εμείς είμαστε, εσείς είστε, αυτοί/αυτές/αυτά είναι) (egó eímai, esy eísai, autós/autí/autó eínai, emeís eímaste, eseís eíste, autoí/autés/autá eínai)
@1234smileface
@1234smileface 4 года назад
The ancient Greek vowels we're great. Bring them back. They don't have many in modern Greek anymore.
@Antpaok
@Antpaok 7 лет назад
great video, your information is all correct, for once, btw Koine - Κοινή is pronounced Kini
@fallenloki3580
@fallenloki3580 7 лет назад
Antpaok Κοινή is pronounced "kiní" today, but anciently it wasn't. Actually, when the κοινή διάλεκτος was created, "κοινή" was spelled "koinè", or, at least, "koenè".
@OldestHouse
@OldestHouse 6 лет назад
Απλά δεν θα μπορούν να το προφέρουν
@piedpiperchris
@piedpiperchris 6 лет назад
Antpaok Yes, the “oy” pronunciation for “oi” had already died out in common speech by the 4th-3rd centuries BC. Biblical/Byzantine Greek was pronounced more or less the same as modern Greek. It annoys Greeks very much that non-Greek speaking people tell them how koine was spoken as they’ve been preserving it liturgically since forever. There is much written on the massive re-evaluation that non-Greek scholars have been doing in recent years. It’s been a long time coming.
@epicstimulus282
@epicstimulus282 6 лет назад
He knows
@hebrewgreek7420
@hebrewgreek7420 6 лет назад
In Roman-period Koiné pronunciation, οι was /ü/, and it would appear that η was /e/ among most speakers. For details see www.biblicallanguagecenter.com/koine-greek-pronunciation/.
@GloriousIllyria
@GloriousIllyria 2 года назад
Il, Ill, El, Ell, Al, All, Ol, Oll, Ul, Ull means the same thing; Hyll or Ill = Star 🌟 Diell in Albanian means Sun ☀️ And Dielli = Del Elli = The Star Rises Up 🌟 The Sun is a Star 🌟 The Stars and Sun Worshipers; Illyrians, Pelasgians, Albania, Graeculus, Apollo, Dielli, Julius Ceasar: all have one thing in common; Ill, Il, El, Al, Ul, Oll, Dielli = Del Elli = The Sun Rises Up. All read Star 🌟 In Latin, Star is called Stella and Stella comes from Albanian Ell 🌟 = Star 🌟 Latin reads La Atin = Left The Father Italy reads Viteliú = Vijnë Nga Illi = They Come From The Star 🌟 Luna in Latin means Moon and Luna reads in Albanian; Luan Ana = The Side Moves (Moon Phases) Hëna reads Ha Ana = The Side Eats It Up (Moon Phases) Rome reads Rrumbullak, which means Round in Albanian Diana = Zana = Fairy 🧚‍♀️ Zana comes from Zëri = Voice Vesta reads Vjeshta = Autumn And Vjeshta comes from Albanian verb vjel = gather, pick, pluck (grapes or other fruits) Venus = Vend = Place Neptune = Ne Prej Ullit = We Come From The Star 🌟 Caelestis = Ky El Është = This Is Star 🌟 Aurora reads Ajo U Urua = She Was Blessed Veni, Vidi, Vici reads Vij e Ndiej, Vij e Di, Vij e Kryej = I come and feel, I come and know, I come and end it. Modern Italians cannot read ancient Latin, as they speak Catholic biblic church language, their DNA is very mixed as well, North African, Middle Eastern, Germanic, Celtic, and many more, but also Albanian / Illyrian, Arbëreshë of Italy are the only ones in Italy, who can claim to be descendents of Romans and transcript ancient Roman texts and writings. Romans were Albanians, one of the Illyrian tribe that moved to Italy, thousands of years ago. The only people with Illyrian DNA are Albanians. Many Romans conquered Central and Northern Europe, so they became English, German, French, etc. Some Romans came back with the people they conquered, that's why Italy is a melting pot of DNA. The Moors conquered Southern Italy, Spain and Portugal, many were assimilated, now these brown skinned immigrants think they are ancient Romans 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Vikings travelled to Southern Europe and were assimilated. Viking reads Vend i Ngrirë = Frozen Place Scandinavia reads S'kan Di Na Vi = S'kanë Ditur Nga Vijnë = They Did Not Know Where They Come From. Scandinavians moved out of Illyria and migrated to what is known Scandinavia. Many Albanian words in the so-called Norse languages. Middle Eastern religions manipualted everything, they tell people, they're protestant, catholic, orthodox, hebrew or muslim and not what is their DNA or what is their language. When biblic church languages were created, people forgot their origins. Modern Italians are not related to ancient Romans, unless they're Albanians or have Albanian / Arbëreshë / Arvanite origin. Modern Anatolian Greeks are not related to Ancient Dorians, half of Greeks are Anatolian migrants from 1923 Population Exchange and the other half are Albanians / Arvanites who forgot their language and now speak fake biblic church language. Arbëreshë of Italy, live in Italy for thousands of years and speak Albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 Arvanites of Graeculus = Gratë e Yllit = Women Of The Star live in Greece / Graeculus / Gratë e Yllit for thousands of years and speak Albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 The Hunza tribe live in Asia for thousands of years and still use Albanian words 🇦🇱 Hunza comes from Albanian Hunda = Nose And Nose comes from Albanian verb Nuhas = Smell Hunter reads Hunda Ancient world spoke Albanian and Albanian language 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 is the mother of all languages.
@kalliaspapaioannou7045
@kalliaspapaioannou7045 2 года назад
@Glorious Illyria ok next time learn what etymology actually is (its a science) and try to do it with the actual alphabet, the Greek one not the Latin, or you can just keep showing your ignorance and maybe use the Chinese Syllabograms, the result will be the same!
@daveduvergier3412
@daveduvergier3412 4 года назад
This is great, but I'm surprised there was no explicit mention of the shift in pronunciation of theta and phi from aspirated stops in AG to their modern values as in "thin" and "fin". At school studying AG we were taught to "cheat" and use the modern values for these letters because differentiating between unaspirated and aspirated stops is so difficult for English speakers ! I have read subsequently, somewhat to my surprise, that these were among the later phonological changes to the language, and that the AG values for theta and phi were still used in the Koine (although, again, it's easier for most modern speakers of Koine to "cheat" and use the modern values). Anyway great stuff, thank you !
@AndrewGorny
@AndrewGorny 7 лет назад
This is a very interesting insight. Of course I think from a practical standpoint the two are considered different languages because the level of inflection is much higher in the old. And when you have loads of inflection, you create a lot of new opportunities for variation with word order, etc. Not to say that there aren't many ways to say the same thing in the modern dialect, but that there are common syntax, and if you came at a native Greek speaker with some heavily inflected stuff they'd either throw their beer in your face or call you a hypernationalist freak for Katharevousa.
@DranPan
@DranPan 5 лет назад
Congrats pal, very good job !! Well, Herasmus has done a lot of harm to our language. e.g. even you, who seem to use modern and ancient greek so correctly, are constrainted to pronounce the Κοινή as "koeeneh",even if other greek words have been used in english with their diphthongs pronounced the attic way, totally opposite to that of Herasmus: phenomenon (φαινόμενον-not fah-eh-nomenon) atmosphere [or just sphere, ατμόσφαιρα, σφαίρα κ.ά.] are pronounced the attic way (not sfaeera, atmosfaeera, etc. as Herasmus claimed, diarrhea (not dararroeeah) and so on...
@AnthonyRusso93
@AnthonyRusso93 Год назад
Woah woah they are the same? I am just hearing about this now?
@G_Sachs
@G_Sachs 3 года назад
Please correct your expression: between these two languages(!)... Ancient and Modern Greek is just ONE and only language. "Modern" Greek is simply the evolution of our marvellous language after all these thousands of years. Of course now is more simple in grammar or in syntax but the majority of even Homeric Hellenic words is found today especially in derivative forms. For example instead of the word "Ύδωρ" (water - Genitive "Ύδατος") today we say mainly "Νερό" but it is maintained in the derivative "Ενυδάτωση" (hydration). The public Company that administers the home water supply is called "Εταιρεία Υδάτων" not "Εταιρεία ...Νερού". Another example: the word "Θύρα" (door) today we call it mainly "Πόρτα" but it is found in derivative "Παράθυρο" (window) forming with the preposition "Παρά" plus the noun "θύρα" (all together meaning something that is near the door). So we don't say "Παραπόρτα" etc etc Of course an average greek if you say "θύρα" and not "πόρτα" fully understand the same object because for example in football stadiums the external doors are called "Θύρα" let's say Θύρα 11 (Gate 11) and so on for hundred of thousands greek words. Our rich language is one and there is continuity through time taking of course into consideration all the historical events and adventures of Hellenism.
@georgiosa.9893
@georgiosa.9893 3 года назад
We also say "θυρωρός", doorman/doorkeeper
@whyfinn
@whyfinn 4 года назад
😢 i needed the comparison of music😥
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