Modern Vikings: Traps and Pitfalls (with

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Reynir A. Óskarsson and William R. Short of Hurstwic return to answer questions from Jackson Crawford's Patreon supporters about the traps and pitfalls of doing rigorous hands-on research about the Viking Age today. From a Patreon-exclusive Zoom conversation recorded live on October 30, 2022.
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@melissacaitlink Год назад

The unmitigated excitement when Reynir showed off his cowboy hat lol.

@jarljohanssen8965 Год назад

Reynir came all the way to California to test me for Hurstwic. He's a great guy.

@ban-draoidh318 Год назад

I love that there are plenty of people here in the north who love our history and sagas. So much beauty in it. ❤ When I was a kid in Sweden, we used to learn it in school, but I don't think they do that anymore. I grew up afraid of thunder, because I thought it was Þórr.. And I still do.. ;) Love this channel. Thanks for all the great content, Jackson. Almost thought it was Óðinn himself there for a second. :P

@farphos Год назад

Of course children still learn about it in school!

@ban-draoidh318 Год назад

I hope so. I have to ask my older kids if they remember. I remember learning quite a lot about it in school, not just like reading one chapter from a textbook.

@ban-draoidh318 Год назад

Well thanks for the "accurate history" lesson and for letting me know you're annoyed. Note taken. Do you also tell Christians that you're annoyed with them because many of their traditions seem to be awfully similar to "pagan" ones, for example? Cultures/people influence each other all the time. It's natural, and you can't know for a fact who influenced who, the actual origins of things etc, so take a breath and calm down :P.. It's still our history regardless how it started. And I find it beautiful.

@thomassulmon748 Год назад

Total stranger not knowing anything about Vikings - *end up listening to the whole video and booking a place at a summer school in Iceland. Well done, sirs, this was brilliant!

@OrphanSweden Год назад

Not blowing one's own trumpet, downplaying one's own importance or ability, is an old Scandinavian character trait, which is still active. In Swedish this is called "Jantelagen" (Law of Jante) and it has existed since the beginning of time, possibly with a different name during the Viking Age. Greetings from Sweden

@franzwohlgemuth2002 Год назад

My gateway saga, about 20+ years ago, was Egil Skallagrimson. Still a favorite of mine to this day.

@Mr.Patrick_Hung Год назад

Me too, but I want to find a better translation.

@antoninaheath3671 Год назад

"I am not saying that academics are particularly closeminded..." That made me chuckle 😂😂😂.Thanks guys for the conversation. I love what you're doing.

@dhesyca4471 Год назад

I'm geeking out over their discovery of what they used to make the clay forges. So cool!

@xdizzy12 Год назад

Haven't yet watched the video, but is it clay?

@dhesyca4471 Год назад

@@xdizzy12 no, surprisingly

@franzwohlgemuth2002 Год назад

I have experienced the rejection from "professionals". I predicted findings 20 years ago that were proven 15 years later. But I was told I don't have a degree so I don't know what I'm talking about, and they refused to even entertain the idea, let alone actually investigate it.

@desertrat4532 Год назад

Well, the world is ran by people with a degree and look at all the corruption.

@kasiar1540 Год назад

Or they go all ageist and claim that a young person can't possibly know anything. So condescending

@acenname Год назад

Kudos to Reynir for saying out loud what everyone knows about the "Union" with Denmark, which in Norway, for good reasons, is called "The 400-year night". I recently saw a history video about "Scandinavia", where no other country than Denmark was mentioned, and Copenhaguen was made out to be the capitol of "Scandinavia". Now, Denmark is a small, tediously flat country, which is not even on the Scandinavian peninsula, and yes, the area had a key position for trade and taxation, but the people who were actually doing the hard work were not living down there.

@earnestwanderer2471 Год назад

Related to this video, as well as others on this channel. I guess it’s the “Hey, everyone knows...” syndrome, but... I looked up the subject of “reforestation of Iceland” and every article blamed “The Vikings” for the deforestation of the island. Fascinating.

@darlebalfoort8705 Год назад

Excellent discussion. I appreciate the discussion of iron working. Small wonder smiths were considered magical to have worked all this out.

@Rooster72 Год назад

Perfect timing. I am currently doing a research paper on Vinland. This is the kind of motivation I need right now.

@wulfgreyhame6857 Год назад

I'm a student of rather later combat, the longsword in the tradition of Johannes Liechtenauer as described in MS 3227a, Nurmburger Hausbuch. It probably dates to around the turn of the 14th to 15th centuries. We also don't wear "correct" clothing (though some of our number are also Mediaeval re-enactors as a separate interest). The biggest area where we suspect our modern clothing might be misleading us, is footwear. We wear various trainers, and we are training in a gym with a rubberised tiled floor. We probably have much better grip than they did. However, we follow the manuscript's useful advice to "take small steps, unless you take longer ones, or spring"!

@marshabaker6153 Год назад

Legends come from somewhere. I believe they all have a ribbon of truth in them.

@earnestwanderer2471 Год назад

I wonder to what extent people from “Nordic” cultures/societies are discouraged from admiring an “heroic past” because such behaviors are viewed as overly violent, tribal, androcentric, etc.

@MrGeneration83 Год назад

Do you mean people living outside the nordic countries, because in the nordic countries it is the other way around. Ramund hin Unge and Ebbe Skammersøn are songs still taught in schools in Denmark. You learn about the viking age and nordic crusades. In fact famous songs with contradicting messages, like the pacifist song Til Ungdommen still use the trappings and iconography from Heroic songs.

@earnestwanderer2471 Год назад

I was referring to the suggestion in the video that the Icelanders, at least, don’t hold their past in high regard.

@ban-draoidh318 Год назад

Yeah, we used to sing a song about the Aesir when I was a kid in school too, and were taught a lot about that history. I think many, even here in the north today, don't really know much about that age, and can't see all what's beautiful about it, or they just don't care about it. As soon as some people hear the word "vikings", all they think about is pillaging and violence. But I feel like there's also a lot of appreciation for it. You can't really visit a Nordic country without seeing something "viking" everywhere, whether it's a street name, a bar, a boat, a dude's t-shirt, mjölnir necklaces or what ever. And there are lots of "viking" bands and people who dress up and have fairs etc, or even live like vikings.. We even have military guys shouting "Til Valhall." :P

@bjarnheiurjohannsdottir5493 Год назад

The sagas are literature, not historical annals. Do we know if people had the level of violence stated there? Or do we know that other people had less or more violence in their lives? Can we claim this level of violence being true for the period? Or do we just assume?

@kasiar1540 Год назад

Christian invaders have been slandering and lying about Vikings for centuries. I don't think that helps

@melissahdawn Год назад

I have to chime in on the point of diversifying to find truth because it pushes one of my buttons. I spend a whole lot of time listening to those who are not deemed worthy of attention, so they wouldn't own successful (popular) youtube channels, but I daily see similarities in the ideas they share. So, I really liked the way it was put that if a person was seeking truth they would not limit themselves...that is the same purpose of brainstorming and allowing oneself to think unusual thoughts eventually a similarity will shine through such a storm of ideas. Not instantly discrediting ideas that differ from your own seems essential to ever uncovering a truth.

@thomasivarsson1291 Год назад

Archaeology speaks for it self.

@margomaloney6016 Год назад

VERY interesting discussion - thank you for sharing, Doc Crawford! :)

@BethRitterGuth Год назад

This was really interesting. I knew very little going into the video, but it was truly exceptional to learn.

@strandedinseattle9931 Год назад

Hello, sir. Slightly off topic, but another misconception which I stumbled upon last night: I was looking up to see if Freya's cats had any known names (similar to Odin's ravens). The most I could come up with was dozens of sites stating two names over as though this were known fact - Bygul and Trjegul - but with a tiny bit more digging realized these were names an author gave them in 1984 for their own story and it seems modern Asatru/Norse followers have been misinformed this is fact. I would love to see more insight on Freya and these cats which Thor gifted her which became the leads of her cat-pulled chariot. Thanks much for reading!

@greyareaRK1 Год назад

Fantastic conversation. The problems with academia seem universal. Convergent evolution seems overlooked in the history of humanity. As [beautiful] Regnir suggests, similar problems often generate similar solutions.

@Lynx86 Год назад

@24:20 From personal experience; leg wrap hooks are bloodthirsty little buggers. They are on a level that only people who have experience with them can know. Bleary eyed in the morning or going to bed after a flagon of mead these nasties don't give two hoots. Slight them in the least and they'll bite you bad, straight thru the finger, I know many people who have had similar experiences.

@critterhighland8427 Год назад

Killer collaboration! Can’t wait to watch after work. Sköl

@janetchennault4385 Год назад

On the topic of Icelandic clay: The cement that the Romans used was particularly strong and effective because it used clay that had originated from volcanic activity by Vesuvius. This cement would even harden under water, and could be used to make piers; the clay was exported all over the Roman world to use to make cement (with the rest of the ingredients local). Has anyone tried making mortar or cement with Icelandic clay? Did the Vikings mortar stones? What did they use?

@GreenLarsen Год назад

You can make coal out of other things then wood, but it is true that wood is the easy way

@llstarlight Год назад

There is a term - thought contagion.

@wulfgreyhame6857 Год назад

What was the iron ore? In much of northern Europe it was limonite, "bog iron", but I'm not aware of extensive bog deposits in Island.

@MrKorton Год назад

All basalt rocks here in Iceland are very rich in iron. Iron oxide from rocks are released into bogs

@ooslingg Год назад

I enjoyed this convo a lot !

@VinlandAlchemist Год назад

From timestamp 1:04:42 to about 1:05:00 - PURE GOLD!! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

@darlebalfoort8705 Год назад

For a sociological/ historical treatment: The Sagas of the Icelanders: (penguin Classics Deluxe Edition) Jane Smilely.

@osborne9255 Год назад

Brilliant stuff!

@tylerdillon3745 Год назад

Great discussion!

@dominicconnor3437 Год назад

Awesome Name!!! The Norse name Rainier means Judgement warrior if you look into it's roots. Thanks for the cool lessons.

@Henrique-wy6cv Год назад

keep it up the good work!

@jamesc8259 Год назад

This was enjoyable

@thornyjack77 Год назад

Ooooooooo Reynir was just starting to talk about GLIMA!!!!!!

@elderscrollsswimmer4833 Год назад

I think that crap Iron thing was just that It was not steel. I have heard of steel being referred to as good Iron.

@daveeggleston8218 Год назад

Jealousy in academia? You don't say!

@kasiar1540 Год назад

And the unwillingness to admit that accepted history could be proven wrong

@phizzelout Год назад

dang... now I know where I got my facial features

@rmcnabb 5 месяцев назад

I think part of the problem is that information from reenactors, however logical and hard won, is not actually data. It's interesting - it may be fascinating and 100% correct - but it's not anything more than a modern reconstruction. If it's not borne out by useful data then it's not publishable and not, at the end of the day, all that useful to academia. Reenactors should do what they do for the joy of it, not in hopes that they will ever get academic notice. Academicians are under the gun for their careers and reputations and have their own stresses. You both play in the same sandbox but you're building very different castles.