-14 page meticulous magnum opus by DarkViper: docs.google.com/document/d/150ojYEfnZVjY1Ro27aEFJG5FCAQD5u9KTH0GD-qmZ1A/edit -DarkViper's video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cqWNmXYC76A.html -MoistCritikal's video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3raLgXC0czs.html
I HAVE TO EDIT THIS COMMENT TO SAY VIPER LITERALLY CUT OUT THE PART OF MOIST TALKING ABOUT VIPERS ACTUAL OLD REACTION CONTENT… he actually had ridiculous watch parties and was an actual horrible person type reactor… just saying ofc viper would cut that out
The meticulous paper with no sub-headings, sections or structure of any kind, as well as no citations or references. 14 pages of stream-of-consciousness in big paragraphs. A master in his field.
I love that Charlie has a white t shirt with white walls, and then speedviper has black walls with black tanktop. It's like a classic superhero vs supervillain battle
so who's who? is Charlie the supervillain or super hero, is this decision based on the color of their shirts and backgrounds? what if the dark side was actually the hero? plot twist.
Dude A makes an entire document (imagine 14 pages) about how react content is bad for the growth of impressions. Dude B doesn't agree with it. Dude A makes a rant about B misintrepretting the document Dude C: I don't care, you are wrong, FREE SPEACH! what?
Tried to read the manifesto, only managed to get to 13 pages though, 14 pages is way too much reading, thought I was gonna pass out from the sheer mental stress of reading those 13 pages, my god, only a pure genius could gift the world with such brilliance as 14 pages
I felt an aneurysm about to burst when reading page 12. Couldn't handle the genius of it. Anyone who is able to read the whole 14 meticulously written pages is indeed privileged and something that should be lauded.
“Meticulously crafted” implies that you chose every word intentionally. So pointing to any part of the document should be fair game since he put so much thought into every sentence.
I have short term memory loss so I’m glad Viper was able to remind me how many pages he wrote. 14 is a lot. One time I had to write an essay in highschool that was 14 pages and it was really hard.
I feel like a recent example of how charlie's vids are beneficial is the channel "tuv". Charlie started watching tuv's videos on stream about 2 weeks ago and posted it on youtube (with the original video link in his description) and within 2 weeks tuv's channel grew over 150K subscribers :'). Viper does make a few valid points but it was written out of anger (like when he disgustingly compares reaction channels to SA) instead of a mature, clear-minded analysis. It would be different if the people viper mentions just reuploaded vids as their own, but they don't. Charlie and people alike, are similar to when celebrities give publicity to small businesses or up and coming artists. Using their large platform to give people who spent a lot of time on something the recognition it deserves.
There's alot to unpack in your comment, but I'll try to be succinct. So I agree with you on how Viper should not have compared SA with react-ers. It's egregious and he should just apologize straight up and move on. That way, people can focus on his actual argument. An argument that has credence, but since Charlie highlighted alot of incongruities, it unintentionally pushed people away from the actual topic and aimed them towards Viper as a person (unintentionally of course). Sometimes lobbing ad hominem comments instead of focus on the theme of his script. Regarding his chaotic, opinionated filled script, it was indeed written with very strong themes, seemingly intentional to get people's attention it seems. Almost extremist-style writting to illicit a reaction from the audience. I don't agree with this method even though I see where he's coming from. We are human, and sometimes when you're upset, you lack the rationale that's needed to create calm, collected material. That being said, that's no excuse to make gross comparisons for whatever agenda one may have. And lastly, I don't agree with Charlie's argument regarding the potential benefit of a big channel inadvertently giving viewership to a smaller channel, and how that makes "reacting" inherently okay. He said himself he wasn't proud when he admitted to watching other's videos without saying much during the stream. He's aware that low effort content is not something to be proud of. Problem is there's no clear definition for what react videos must have in order to be Fair Use. To what limits does _Transformative_ content have? What exactly must be added for it to fall under Fair Use? Is copy and pasting someone elses work, while you are shown watching really transformative? Or must it contain pieces extracted from the original video with each section, discussed in detail, thereby adding new perspective? I feel it should be left alone unless someone actually brings a different perspective to a video. Just watching someone elses video on your channel doesn't change the original and therefore should be avoided. If the channel is good enough, it may or may not get the viewership it deserves based on its own merits. At least the creator tried and that's all they can do. Kind of analogous to letting animals in the wild flourish without intervention. The more we interact, the more trouble seems to spring up as a result of divided opinions. You may disagree, respectfully, which is fine, but at least we agree on the major points. And that makes conversations interesting.
I wouldn’t have found his channel if it wasn’t for reaction channels and I’ve now watched nearly all of his videos to full length. I found so many channels from reaction content, never once have I watched a reaction video and not gone to check the channel out if I thought the video was good. A lot of the time I’ll just go subscribe to them so I can chat h the next video
It also dilutes his entire point. If he's not talking about small creators, why does he care? Is he trying to give th views to people who will, as he said, already do well?
When I was taking Adderall in my teens I used to stay up all night writing pages and pages of what I thought was ground breaking intelligence... it was nonsense ramblings.
Yeah im on it perscribed but i actually need it so i act normal, but i was over prescribed before and had to take 60mg and i would write like that. it is helpful for essays u dont gaf about and just wanna get a C on tho
@@EggEnjoyer first of all teens are literally prescribed adderall. But as someone familiar with how people act on speed/adderall (plus the pupils) I would put money on the fact that he’s on some sort of amphetamine. It would suprise you how prevalent it is
All these illiterates self reporting lmao. High school kids have to read 20 page case studies sometimes or write reports that are of that length. Just goes to show that being a RU-vidr doesn’t require much mental aptitude, any moron with an IQ of 75 can make it on this website.
That viper dude says "meticulously crafted" like 5 times. Hes telling you he selected, meant and thought out every word carefully. Therefore any criticism is fair game. Also, he's clearly on drugs. His actions, speech, eyes and all over the place talking points clearly show this. Who says "i don't have time and then talks at the speed of the micro machines guy for 40+ minutes.
I love seeing Hila in the background when Ethan makes a joke and she turns around and smiles at him. You can tell they have a great relationship and truly love each other.
Meticulous means with attention to detail, not in great quantity. Ethan I used to love your content but I have to say I am glad I grew up, because this is a bad take on a fair argument. No one seems to pay any real attention to the real argument, and are making awful arguments to all the wrong points to discredit him. This is sad. PS. When he is emphasizing 14 pages, he is telling you how ridiculous it is to to summarize the entire writing into "reactors bad." The irony of this is people like you who "react" have 0 pages, so in terms of math that is infinitely more than what you write. PPS. This video is an fine example of low effort react content that is toxic towards to the community as a whole. Instead of actually talking about his argument, you reupload the entire video simply to react to all the wrong things anyways. We need to talk about his pupils? Really? React content is not a review, react content is not a critique, react content is... wait he already said this in his paper, glad you ignored that. Absolutely embarrassing Ethan.
The lawsuits went to his head. Seems he thinks he can decide what fair use is, just because in his instances it was. It's so incredibly dumb. And yea, the "14 PAGES!! WOOOW" take is so weird. Like DarkViper was bragging about his ability to write alot. No Ethan, you missed the point. And you ended up looking like a 4 year old, repeating the dumbest argument again and again.
Why is react content so bad? Pls explain. Do you want everyone to have the budget to make extremely well produced videos every day? React content also gives free clout, which is why darkside viper is now more popular than he ever was and y'all are defending him like brain-dead chimps. A match made in heaven i say. Moreover I'll go as far as saying that darkside viper cannot make good videos and that's why he had to make this controversy to become relevant. Because he knows that if he attacks creators, they don't have a choice but to defend themselves by showing his video. Ps: he is disregarding fair use in his newest video by making a big stinker about his world view. I'm sorry to say, the world doesn't work as darkside viper dreams of it. If he has a problem with the law, he should go and change it or at least advocate for it. Attacking youtubers doesn't solve the problem. Consent for exercising fair use and free speech isn't necessary as I'm not touching of fucking darkside viper if i react to him. He wants to define everything so that he can tell YOU how the world works. He is crafting a dreamland, and y'all are his goons. PPS: darkside viper didn't make any good points and he published the script online because he couldn't wait to get that clout. His writings have no structure and is full of dumb jokes made by children. In his stream darkside viper screams and talks so weirdly it's borderline unwatchable for anyone over the age of 16. I think darkside viper isn't a good person to make any point against react content because his content isn't even worthy of reactions. Ppps: he made three videos attacking three creators while wearing the same vest. This is the lowest high effort content I've seen in my life. Truly bottom of the barrel in video essays.
but he didnt summarize the whole 14 pages into "reactors bad", charlie had a whole video where he pointed out what he considered fair point and what he considered bad points, regardless of if what charlie was saying was right or not he wasnt summarizing "reactors bad", that basically the thing you are doing with charlies video and are attributing it to him. The whole idea that you need to prewatch something is pretty stupid because you are ignoring the knowledge the person could have accumulated from other sources in the past, like how for example ethan accumulated knowledge about this subject from his lawsuit. I actually watched vipers video on this first and i agree with the general idea that react content is not great content and a lot of it shouldnt exist but i also agree with some of the point ethan is making in this video and some of the problems in the arguments he is making. I think this video is a fine example of how not all react content is damaging, this video is a response to a response to a response about a 14 page doc, as ethan said this is free speech, people are allowed to give their opinion on a subject regardless if the response is right or not.
i've only read a 13 page document before. when i saw his meticulous document was 14 pages, my brain blew right out of my head! i didn't think it was possible...
Honestly I feel like this guy is forgetting the fact that a lot of people who like reaction/critical commentary content wouldn't have ever watched the original video. All the time I'm watching content that I absolutely never would have discovered had it not been for these guys, and sometimes if I like the original content I go and get into it for myself. I feel like it's a broader way of taking in media and these commentary creators are putting it into a more digestible format for people like me.
The whole point is you would’ve been watching something else that would be original content, not react content. Even if u wouldn’t be watching the vid u watched someone reacted to, you would be watching something original. Which is better.
@@alexfisher4207 Exactly. But can we blame reactors for doing what they do..? For sure there are those who do it because they know it's an easy way to get views, but there are also those who simply enjoy doing that sort of thing. In a perfect world the reactors would do *something* to benefit the original (actively send viewers to their channel or whatever), so that they both grow thanks to the reaction video (and no, I don't count simply reacting and having that cause the original to get more views, since that's not always the case and not necessarily the reactor's intention, simply a by-product). If I saw myself making reactor content I'd almost definitely put a link in the description to everything I react to and actively mention it in the video (probably at the beginning and end), but that's just me 🤷🏽♂️
Despite this dudes valid points that come up from time to time, he's the kind of person at a party that I would get stuck listening to for far too long and anxiously looking for a way to get away.
Did Ethan actually make a single valid argument throughout this entire video? Ethan, bro, you literally had a lawsuit filed against you about pretty much the exact same subject. You even agreed with your defense's assertions that what you did with your video was transformative enough that it constituted fair-use. Meanwhile, what DarkViper is arguing here is that many of the biggest react content creators offer NOTHING transformative in the slightest, and therefore they should be held in violation of fair-use. DarkViper isnt targeting all reactors he is mainly targeting the reactors that will play a video on stream in its entirety leaving no incentive for the audience of said stream to seek out the original video or creator so that said creator can get the impressions and/or recognition they deserve. This is really sad to see man
Nope and the only reason I’m here is bc the new vid from dark vyper and these react streamers are driving me nuts they will do anything to keep there lazy career they know there wrong is what’s messed up about it ofc he thinks Charlie’s on point lol it’s all about clout for these streamers and dark vypers calling them out
you realize react content can just be there to entertain right? he doesn't have to make any valid points. whether or not that is a bad thing i am not going to argue, but it is the case. ethan doesn't have to offer trans formative react content for people to watch it.
I am a little worried the other channel will become less and less poppin and effort put in. This channel is doing so well, and it's just him...not 8 to 10 other ppl he has to pay. So that is a concern . Plus the more he covers here...the less he covers on his other channel....with the group. But I Def love this channel just a little worried it'll end up effecting the podcast
Weird personal attacks and no critical thoughts or attempts at making a point or valid defense of the topic at hand. Good job Ethan, keep those standards high.
Aight. Since most people here are probably American. We do not have a bad drug problem in Australia compared to US. Matt doesn't do drugs he gets very "passionate" about his views, which indicates he cares. Rather then some of these spineless bigger streamers that just adopt new streaming metas.
I think the most ironic thing about his entire document and argument is that it never would have gotten this much traffic if the reactors he criticized didn’t react to it on their channels 😂
This is discourse reaction. A genuine exchange. Watching Master Chef while taking a dump is different. Ethan has said this also, if its news, which I'd say this constitutes as, its legal and fine to react to and I dont think Matt would disagree with that.
@@tomtomtom6970 so first of all, no that is still not fair use. the news never just straight up airs uneditted content that someone is claiming copyright over so them talking over his video does not constitute as fair use just because its "news" secondly if the legality is all that matters twitch is going to have to shut down because streaming video games to even 1 person is copyright infringement in the eyes of the law and carries a hefty $250,000 minimum fine and a jail sentence.
I might argue that was the entire point of the video. Criticizing a name bigger than you using react content is a great way to get traffic. And it works even better if you argue in bad faith and are extremely incendiary.
I find this Moist dude kinda cringe, but I can’t feel bad for this other guy either cus why make a fucking 14 page document instead of just a long or multiple part video . He’s a youtuber TOO 😂😂😂😂
I’ve read that essay twice. 14 pages is avg 6,500 words (font size 12, no double spacing). He provides no references. It’s a rant. Viper needs to chill. He actually feels entitled to have each point addressed. Viper also seems to be enjoying the attention. Charlie responded well. Charlie LITERALLY quoted the 14 page essay multiple times in his second video. Plus tweets from Viper that adds context. HE INCLUDED THE TWEETS IN CONTEXT. Viper is soooo self righteous. Viper, YOU poisoned the well with your hyperbole. The violent assault of a humans body CANNOT BE compared to a reactor reacting to content. You comparing a HUMAN/FLESH & BLOOD to copyrighted content. A non-sentient matter. Nobody will EVER agree with you. WE SAW YOUR TWEETS VIPER! You literally compared it to SA. He’s being facetious and disingenuous. Viper HEAVILY implied SA when he said reactors are like people who drug other human beings at a party. It’s a terrible analogy. Disingenuous and reprehensible. Deal with your rage issues Viper.
He literally called out specific streamers to cause drama with them. He cries when they defend themselves after being called horrible people and compared to rapists. He’s literally throwing a fit because he’s jealous reaction streamers are doing way better than his content.
how to be ethan step 1: become washed up step 2: whine and cry about everything step 3: pick fights and only use surface level insults as your defense step 4: turn your back on everything you did to help youtube be free with the fair use lawsuit, and lose what little credibility you had left step 5: profit!
@@skilledbros I think he said he takes night shift with Bruce and Hila is on day shift. Newborns seem to sleep a lot during the day but they are up every 2 hours to eat 😂 at least that was true with my son. Every 1.5 to 2 hours he wanted to eat
DarkViper seems like the kind of guy that you can’t have intelligent discourse with because they’re just going to restate their argument 15 different ways until he wears you down with ranting and intensity despite the flaws in their argument.
Also, based on his tone, volume and body language, he seems like a very aggressive communicator, which is a tactic used to shake up your opposition and put them back on the defensive. He's awful at trying to make strong points, he leans heavily on being on the attack, creating outlandish connections to make out something as worse than it is, and withholding valuable information that can help support his claims only when he has to defend his points as a sort of "gotcha" play. It's cheap, anyone can see him doing it, he knows what he's doing and yeah... Charlie called him out for it.
After my grandma's passing a couple days ago. Your videos have been making me alot happier just wanted to say I love ur content keep up the great work ethan💙
@@tomtomtom6970 A million subs isn't that much, given that RU-vid has Millions of content creators. I'd never heard of the guy either, The guy isn't a household name... He definitely is benefiting from this publicity.
@@tomtomtom6970 he still will get a net benefit from his comments and following reactionary commentary. The whole thing is spinning ironically because he’s now making react commentary to Charlie’s responses.
I didn't even know slap competitions were a serious thing until Charlie started covering it and I now love them. In fact I'm pretty sure one of the organizers were so happy Charlie reacted to their videos they let him judge a competition. It was a while ago I don't remember but pretty sure that happen which shows a good reaction can help a content creator.
Yes, it can be beneficial and DarkViper doesn't refute that. The thing is that you should ask the owner of the content first and react to the entirety of the video later. You can't just say that it's beneficial for the original creator so you can do it without asking and the owner cannot even disagree with your assessment that it's good for him. Charlie had a deal with the slapping competitions that he can react and commentate on the matches and it was great, both parties agreed to a mutually beneficial deal. The thing is that he contacted them and not just taken their videos that took tens of thousands of dollars to make. Reacting isn't bad in itself, the way that most people are doing it is wrong tho.
You really showed him when you countered his valid and logically put arguments with points like "pupils dilated" and "don't wanna see your armpit hair". That really put him in his place.
Bro never did Ethan at all imply that “stealing content and reuploading it” was free speech. We’re talking about reacting. Not reuploading. Y’all are just as bad as this coked up maniac
The funniest thing to me is the irony of DarkViper going "Wow, these reactors should NEVER IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE show the majority/entirety of someone else's work on their platforms", while every 30 seconds saying "Charlie should react to my entire document, otherwise it's just out of context!!!"
Literally commented this on his video 😂 Matt: tells reactors they should watch the whole video and react to the parts of the video that they have content to add to. Charlie: Reacts to parts of the essay that he has content/comments to add to. Matt: *BuT hEs TaKiNg iT oUt Of CoNtExT*
I mean, that's really a frying pan / fire situation. If Charlie's gonna react to it anyways (which he did) then I'd think it'd make sense to prefer him giving context to what DV's points are. For the record, this isn't a Good & Evil world. I like both those guys and have watched Charlie for the past 12 years (for context on my stance regarding this situation ;).
he’s not bothered about charlie reacting, its about how he misrepresented it because he didnt understand it. he just would’ve understood it better if he waited for the vid. theyre both at fault
@@Frisbie147 …Present it properly? These guys have valid criticisms while also agreeing with most of his 14 page meticulously written masterpiece. This guys overreacting. Obviously.
he isnt wrong about the algorithm and the points that he makes. He is a bit on edge unscripted, but he is making a lot of sense as to how it all works. i think rather than constantly talk about taking L's and shaming a creator, look into it, the actual thing that he's talking about, and see if he deserves the shaming even then. The comparison to a predator did suck, and he did apologize for the same, but he makes valid points nonetheless.
But it isn't a comparison, though. It's an analogy, that points out that asking for consent after the fact is nonsense. That just means you didn't ask for consent. It's not comparing reacting (with or without consent) to anything. Nor the impact of being the victim of either situation, or the motive of the perpetrator. Edit: I agree that he should've used a different analogy, but only because it would be more clear what he meant by it.
@@HalfmoonSqueeze mate an analogy or not, one is a much more serious crime than the other. analogy or comparison, the example he had given was wrong, is what i mentioned. But besides the analogy, he made valid points on the whole ecosystem of reactors and youtube.
@@dillonqaphsiel7977 either it’s a thought-out document you need to read before critiquing his stance or it’s an incomplete work in progress. Pick one.
It's awesome how his defense when someone makes a valid critique is that its such a detailed and intricate FOURTEEN PAGE well researched document and they clearly didn't read it all or show the context. But when somebody points out how it isn't a well researched document and that it is all just baseless points and accusations with no evidence, then its "just a script for an unmade and unreleased video." This dude just talks himself in never-ending circles.
Dude when he kept blaming him, like when he said “I would have been able to give an example if you waited for the video!!” What the fuck is he talking about ?! He could’ve made a whole documentary n he’d still make some excuse about how he was done unfairly.
The paper is unfinished,but it provides enough evidence to explain everything,he is literally frustrated because there weren't any legitimate claims,just things that were already explained,and critikal hand picked specific details to suit his views.
its frustrating because his whole argument is based on the RU-vid's algorithm being organic and not manipulated, which it ISN'T. the algorithm on RU-vid is highly manipulated so his argument is just pointless. reactors aren't taking away impressions by reacting, that's just not how it works at all.
Truly a man who can write 14 pages is on an intellectual level we may never as a society understand and we should just stop speaking and allow him to represent us all, cus clearly a man who can write 14 pages, knows everything you can possibly know in our universe.
Exactly. Years of writing went into that 14 pages. I actually wrote a 23 page book with "3 chapters" in it when I was 11. So I'd know how much of an intellectual masterpiece his FOURTEEN PAGE document. The meticulous writing he uses, the sophisticated words, even the analogies he uses are so intellectually profound that its incomprehensible. After all it's 14 pages, which we all know no one has ever wrote, read or understood that many words before. He is so intellectually above us, beyond our understanding that us meer mortals could never wrap our brains around it. He is so far ahead of us in every department that I can guarantee any one of us normal beings couldnt get past the 1st page. after all. IT IS FOURTEEN PAGES.
MST3K literally turns bad content into good content. A lot of good reaction content does this. Look at youtubers like Drew Gooden as a modern example, or even h3h3 watching this and turning this guy's garbage arguments into entertaining and more informative content.
He is the type of guy in highschool/college to keep arguing with the teacher in front of the class, when he doesn’t get a higher grade because of a bullshit excuse on his 14 page paper
Damn, and i thought xqc was a manchild. This literally felt like seeing the soul of a 5 year old trapped in the body of a deep voicened 40 year old man.
Don't forget to say L 20 times and yell free speech which isn't what fair use is about. Surprised he didn't start fortnite dancing, must have took all of his strength not to
His point is that if you are picking out one sentence out of 14 pages you may miss a lot of context. The length matters because he could not make the same argument if it was a sentence ripped from a tweet although it is of course still possible to do.
@@Hedning1390 I was not talking about how someone was picking out one sentence from a 14 page essay, but pointing out how funny it is that he thinks 14 pages is some super feat to accomplish. But keep going on about how much length matters king
@@Atkie But he doesn't think that. That is Ethan's interpretation, but it's wrong. He is only pointing out that it is 14 pages to show how tiny the part being criticized is in relation to the whole argument.
@@Hedning1390 that's a generous interpretation. If that's the case, that could be said without alluding to the length of his document. Why do you think he points it out repeatedly, bro?
@@vespiary2066 idk how fair it is to speculate on drug use. It’s definitely strange how dilated his eyes are but not sure if we can pinpoint exactly why unless we know him. Otherwise it’s just kinda petty accusations or speculations
I once wrote a 16 page document on which Batman movie was the best Batman movie and I didn’t even finish it… I shudder to think of what would have happened to the universe if I had.
I love that his 14 PAGE PAPER is so poorly written and supported it would have gotten him an F in any university. This guy is just an angry, entitled, clout chaser. He has even tried to DMCA people who said negative things about him in the past.
@@gublinsayingg2662 no Charlie admitted he was wrong on some points as he misunderstood parts of the document like many people did because it was so purely written with horrible analogies. But Charlie was mostly right.
The drama is the stupidest shit ever but like a traffic accident, I can't look away from it because the larger implications surrounding this are important. DarkViper is a bad faith actor- he's pulling the same exact stunt he pulled with Asmongold and Muta. I remember with Muta, he went on this unhinged, screaming, ranting temper tantrum, complete with table banging, where he accused Muta of robbing smaller streamers because he made a video criticizing Twitch's planned brand friendliness content ID API and Twitch ended up not implementing it (for now). Muta was forced to make a response because of that accusation; the two did end up reconciling and one month ago they did a podcast together talking about cybersecurity. Content creators are free to handle their affairs how they want, but personally, I disagree with them giving this guy any attention or concessions. We shouldn't be rewarding these types of bad faith actors for their shitty, toxic behavior, especially because, based on the pattern of behavior across the last few years, it's pretty obvious DarkViper gets a boost in attention any time he engages in this type of drama and his public presence grows. He's also clearly fine with encouraging his audience to badger/bully the creators he targets. He'll get attention in the short-term, but in the long-term, he'll end up with an unsavory reputation among viewers who didn't previously know him and won't tune into him because of the shitty things he says and does.
Bruh how can ANYONE have a problem with MUTA HES LITERALLY ONE OF THE NICEST CREATORS (sometimes he can say kinda stupid things but who doesnt, hes just a gamer so i dont blame him)
@@Featheon yea, you’re taking something he said completely out of context to try to make him look bad. for anyone wondering, he was talking about a tinder scammer from israel who scammed several women out of millions, and was making a joke about how nobody scams better than israelis considering he’s lived in israel and presumably dealt with israeli scammers. this dude is an obsessed hatewatcher, pay him no mind everyone.
DarkViper keeps talking about his high quality 14 page essay yet doesn't cite any actual qualitative/ quantitative data to back up his claims. Demonstrate your argument through controlled studies to prove your point. Anyone can write an essay on anything doesn't mean its right.
Yee it doesn't matter that it's so many pages long, even a highschool English teacher would give him a fat F for providing no quotes to back up his claims and no valid source listings at the end.
These men will throw around the word “consent” like they are doing something but not have a fucking clue what it truly means. It’s really hard to see his points as valid since it’s buried under so much garbage.
I really like Charlie. He seems like a genuinely good dude. He doesn't create drama for dramas sake and is super witty and entertaining. This dude Viper is digging his own grave by hardcore defending his questionable position.
His analogy to sa was terrible. But he does have a pretty solid point overall about reaction channels benefiting off of smaller channels. I mean s*** really rolls downhill in this industry.
@@michaelcorcoran8768 the problem with this document was him calling out some people that wasn't necessary, half the stuff was out of order and confusing. Critical was only defending himself just to prove he wasn't those react channels that milk for money
@@michaelcorcoran8768 yeah but the smaller channels benefit in turn, his argument than reacter channels steal views is complete bs, so many people know who he is now because charlies responded to him so hes literally already experiencing the fact that he is wrong
Did Ethan actually make a single valid argument throughout this entire video? Ethan, bro, you literally had a lawsuit filed against you about pretty much the exact same subject. You even agreed with your defense's assertions that what you did with your video was transformative enough that it constituted fair-use. Meanwhile, what DarkViper is arguing here is that many of the biggest react content creators offer NOTHING transformative in the slightest, and therefore they should be held in violation of fair-use. DarkViper isnt targeting all reactors he is mainly targeting the reactors that will play a video on stream in its entirety leaving no incentive for the audience of said stream to seek out the original video or creator so that said creator can get the impressions and/or recognition they deserve. This is really sad to see man @FartingSpider12 - free use and free speech
Hearing viper talk I instantly start checking out. He’s so hard to pay attention to and understand because of how he’s basically yelling a bunch of words together and repeating himself constantly
It’s hilarious this guy wrote a 14 page manifesto about reaction content being bad and his biggest moment is him reacting to someone reacting to his manifesto.
The irony is that so many more people know who he is now because of Charlie and Ethan. Hes literally experiencing the fact the he is wrong, yet he still doubles down that reaction content steals views
He isn't reacting to it though, he's responding to it. Reacting is watching the entire video for the first time as it happens and pausing to interject with your thoughts. Responding is having already watched the video and giving your thoughts on some individual points in the video.
@@brooksbrocc ive seen alot of people including his fans saying similar things, seems this is pretty common for him. Ive never heard of him before so far my impression is guys straight batshit
The entire argument boils down to, channels clog up subscribers, I don't like these creators, we should ban these creators. The entire 14 PAGE DOCUMENTS is a subjective opinion.
No defamation?!? What about the dumb comment about Viper being on meth? That’s disgusting and has no bearing on what free speech should be seen as some way to make a cheap jab at someone else’s misguided point.
Love that his incredibly intricate and meticulous 14-page scholarly document was so unclear and confusing that its caused so much "misinterpretation" he has had to clarify many times what he meant. If almost all of your readership didn't understand maybe the writing wasn't that great, bestie.
literally like 2 people at first had any issue, charlie and 1 proof reader, and having read it, its pretty fucking obvious what he means by any analogy he uses
Despite he saying meticulously written it was actually a draft for a video he didn't even end up posting. It was supossed to reach not even half of his less watched series, I guess that's why it causes so much misinterpretation and has some extreme comparisons.
He has to clarify, because fanboys of said "reactors" are looking for any possible uncharitable interpretation of his document, instead of arguing with the arguments present. So he has to restate the arguments extremely clearly, so they're entirely unavoidable.
@@shadik1998 possibly. you'd almost certainly end up battling it all the way through the courts (against Sony's insanely powerful lawyers) but there is a possibility you could use it with fair use and eventually win. You likely don't have the money and time to get through the courts though
Damn Ethan enough is enough. Your whole lawsuit. Made zero points. Made personal attacks against Matt. I’m officially done watching you homie I’m sorry.
I have to say, the more I watch Ethan and Hila in these maybe a little bit more raw cuts, the more Im convinced that they are a couple you would want to be friends with. They seem like such nice people that would have very welcoming energy around them. It always makes me second hand happy when I see something good happening to them (:
@@willson7360 yeah bad reputation with people that are so fake that the concept of reputation doesn't even apply to them (keem, Trisha, James Charles, Shane Dawson, Trainwrecks, Jeffrey Star, KavKav and so on). As you can see from the list I've made there is a pattern, not the one you are talking about lol
every time he mentions his "FOURTEEN PAGES!!!!", I can't help but think of the 18 page(front and back!) letter Rachel wrote for Ross in Friends. I swear, he says it the exact way Ross does
@@soggybiscotti8425 to be fair I didn't read it at all. I don't need to read the literature of some one unhinged and probably drug-laced. If you're impressed with 14 pages then you are bright!!!
@@jojoenerez4815 0.o so you feel no compulsion to validate the claims of people and just take the word of everyone 🙄 even though a great many of the details fere found to be verifiably false and even critical himself admitted it? You're going to get far in life
“But I don’t have time for that, it’s a 14 page document.” Ethan Klein - “You sure as hell got time this a 47 minute video dude.” I don’t know why I laughed so hard at that but I did.
I think my guy's pupils are as dilated as they are is due to abusing some sort of stimulant; adderal, ritalin, vyvanse, etc. I work in addiction counselling and Viper's behaviour is identical to someone who is in the midst of a stim binge. Dude needs to shower, get some food in him, and get some sleep. Maybe then he'll realize how strange his behaviour is.
@@tomtomtom6970 And what IS his “greater point”? He literally made one single solitary good point…that streamers watching full episodes is dangerous. That’s it. The rest was inaccurate and honestly irresponsible hyperbole and completely made up #’s and %’s.
Idk why his fans aren’t seeing this. Idk if it’s only obvious to ppl who work in the medical/addiction treatment field and ppl who have been there or had loved ones go thru it…or if they are just ignoring the pretty obvious signs to stan him.
If this dude actually thinks the react channels are stealing his views he should just listen to his own voice for 30 seconds. Listening to this man rant is unbearable, especially compared to Charlie's smooth relaxing tone. Coincidence? 🤔
Desolate Films I hate H3, and you can’t pinpoint the moment he changed from the amazing RU-vid personality he was back when he ran with filthyfrank and MaxMoeFoe, he just changed in the middle of it I hate what he has become
As a viewer, I did not give consent to being exposed to DarkVipers armpit hair. I will be writing a 14 page essay about why DarkViper should shave his armpits.
dark viper is the kinda guy who stopped the class you were in for 15 minutes to start some fucking weird debate with the teacher while everyone else rolled their eyes and just wanted to get on with life.
I feel so bad for my students when this happens, every second that ticks by without moving on makes me feel like I'm failing at my job, but so does ejecting the student. This kind of mentality of debate is a big problem in education.
