This conversation reminds me of Trevor Noah’s reflection of his upbringing in his book born a crime.. He says, “ Whilst my mother couldn't give me access to the world, she at least made sure to let me know it existed. A kid cannot dream of being an astronaut if he does not know about space.”
Juliani is very humble for the fits that he's accomplished, he was Bob Collymore's close friend, he has a very vast network, yaani ni msee mnoma tu yaani but you wouldn't know from first glance, that's what humility looks like kids .
You know what i love the most...Juliani was not forcing English to fit in...and that's also another issue with classism in Kenya, thinking your articulate English makes you better than others who are not articulate.
I won't lie, I was raised on riverside drive. Silver spoon, igcse, travelled abroad for uni at 16, Athens and London. The greatest joy for me is living in Machakos, quietly but comfortably 👌🏾. My own kids have gone to middle class schools apart from 1. The first born ... weh! Never again..having said that they were both in igcse schools south of Nairobi. Anyway enjoyed your conversation. New 46 yo subby 🎉😂
Best episode to date. Juliani is so wise and spiritual. Charles, we speak the same language as I also attended Nairobi Primary and totally agree with you in so many aspects. All in all, I’ve learned so much from these two great men. Great job ladies! ❤
The Tiktok video reminded me of when someone said to me "welcome to my humble aboard" and the "humble aboard " was 5 bedrooms and 7 bathrooms, I haven't been able to recover from that statement to-date. This podcast is everything for me ya'll, the conversations week in week out I can't you guys, I'm in awe of your creativity keep doing this ❤. More flowers for Jules she looks a like a person who'd hold you down. Love ya'll from the 256. And the lesson from the tiktok is the importance of exposure, when I first watched a movie I went like ooh they shot this from a hotel coz the only big house I had seen was a hotel until I found out that people actually own homes the size of hotels.
Really enjoying these IRIP episodes and going deep on topics we don't usually hear people talking about. Very thought provoking! I would say that I didn't grow up with an understanding of having money. My parents grew up poor and by the time we were born, they were doing quite good for themselves but they raised us to think we didn't have money. Education was important to them so we went to good schools but they didn't have any desire to show off their wealth - my dad had the same car for over 20 years, we didn't do lavish holidays, no Playstations and Xboxes. Now as an adult, I appreciate this kind of upbringing. 2 things I remember from my childhood: 1. You don't get things just because other people have them - we were never allowed to say 'So and so has a bike so I also want one" My mum would say, enda kwa family yao basi 2. It was their money and not ours - They worked hard to earn it so it was theirs - wewe soma upate pesa zako😂.
It's very easy to be idealistic about money when you've always had it/ never suffered poverty...not middle class, or even lower class, but actually below the poverty line...It is one of the MOST indignifying experiences you can have...Even family dynamics I don't think can be healthy in this environment...Domestic violence, child abuse(physical and sexual) all thrive here...There are some things you can't understand until you have been TRULY poor...
Juliani is so real to himself even in the midst of people who dont quite relate, but its good that you all gave yourself an opportunity to see things like He did . He was a good guest for this conversation.
'Learn to want what you have' only works in a society where everyone has access to a basic dignified, I'd even say comfortable, life, as a MINIMUM...otherwise it just turns into out-of-touch rich people trying to force/encourage poor people into contentment.
Having heard Juliani speak on how he achieved and accomplished much without money reminds me of a book i came across that spoke in relation to this. The book read ‘If your consciousness is right, that is, if you have a good understanding of God as the loving Source of your boundless supply, you will always be able to demonstrate whatever money or goods you may require, wherever you are, or whatever your conditions may be.’
I agree with Juliani. Private solutions for some of our structural social problems sound good but are unsustainable. You will fix the school infrastructure and next thing you hear teachers haven't been paid and are on a go-slow, the HM has misappropriated your funds, national exams have leaked or results cancelled etc etc. How will private funds fix that? Nice episode guys- we need a follow up!
Great conversation. I can't get enough of it. I agree with Juliani on a lot of things. Just because it worked for us living a certain lifestyle doesn't mean it will work for our kids, we've not lived two lives so we wouldn't tell how we would have turned out if we lived a different live, we might be doing great now, but who knows we might have turned out even better if we grew differently. And besides, we grew in a different generation and the measure of turning out good now, might not be so tomorrow. My view on this is, we should not spoil out children yes, we should nurture them to be good humans and most importantly believe in themselves. But I totally disagree with making our children undergo suffering. Why should we want children growing to be adults with trauma? The idea of wanting your own child undergoing suffering might be a childhood trauma you'll dealing with. I would definitely want Juliani back. I like his thinking
52:28 Charles threw in a very crucial point. Confidence is Key. a D student from group of schools is more confident than a B student from polling station school and can survive anywhere in the world cause group of schools instill confidence in kids
I clicked on this because of Juliani(my big flex is that I can rap all his songs word for word)😂 Maybe you can have him on next time to talk about his artistry journey and especially his lyricism which shows the depth of his knowledge❤
I grew up in fluctuating wealth - briefly grew up in a small neighbourhood in Eldoret to going to one of the most expensive schools in Nairobi for A Levels and universities in the UK for Undergraduate and Masters. I'll admit, that I'm still disillusioned with the reality of how the average 25-year-old Kenyan lives (my age), I've always felt disconnected between us when I talk about the neighbourhood I live in and how I grew up. I can't relate to the culture and my Kiswahili is terrible which doesn't help at all (I never learnt in school but at home). But I want to understand, I volunteer in charities and donate what I have because I know from my upbringing - money comes and goes. This episode is so important because it sheds light on both realities. I'm only halfway through and I already feel greatly impacted by it
"Attach value to your character," said Charles. This is so powerful and very essential cause money will come & go for sure but who you remain, regardless of your social status sets you apart. Such enriching conversations, cheers ladies and gents!In true IRIP fashion ☺
Yet another confirmation that manipulation of people is a scarcity trauma response i.e seeing people for what you can get from them as opposed to experiencing them for who they are. No wonder the increased disconnection, addictions and despair.. it's a losing game. We need to get back to genuine connections.
Usually I don't but I have never agreed with King Charles the way I have today. Even his examples are just spot on. Teaching your kids Empathy, Resilience, and Confidence is the absolute best thing you can do for them 💯 Loved Juliani on here!
This is such a great conversation guys. Great Job. On how we raise our kids; I'd like to say. Just raise kind-hearted empathetic children. Give them the best life you can. (Even materially) The world will break their hearts sooner or later sadly. You can't prepare them for everything.
Juliani made me rewind to hear that couldn’t 😂😂😂😂 Looooooved this conversation so much!! So much to learn from all of you❤️❤️ Y’all four get back together some time!
Such a great episode! I've learned so much especially about Stoicism. Glad to finally put a face to the voice for Charles and an episode on Kenyan History would be so awesome. Also, looking good y'all. Capitalism is the pits though. I want to be someone's pet, but eating organic food. Juliani should definitely come back and talk about parenting.
I wanna comment on the Beyonce scenario and her privilege and success. For her, her parents played a huge role in creating a platform for her to become successful. They were really intentional about their daughter and helping her scale her talent. In many interviews Beyonce has mentioned how her father approached her singing career, the discipline he taught her. To date, we can see how much her mother supports her through words and actions. I think as future parents, we can take a few notes from that.
I also believe you can teach resilience. Growing up as a sporty child and I had no idea how sports was preparing me to live my life today and endure the motions I’ve had to persevere over the years.
Talking of public solutions to public problems.... What Julz has said about a healthy in-between on school system matters... That's the idea behind CBC... The realization that the cut-throat 844 system just worked to exclude alternatively gifted people. It's a good start I hope we all work to see it through for the next generation
This conversation was so profound. Thank you❤️❤️There's so much more to learn from each of you and your perspectives. And yes bring Juliani back guy got lots of profound wisdom to share with us about all aspects of life.
Finally at 1.13.20 mins the conversation comes home. Money, class is meaningless unless it serves people and has an eternal perspective. That's where wealthy people who are introspective eventually get to. Material value is relative - desire for it, minds and egos are insatiable. Life is also a wrap at some point ...and then so what? Mungu mbele 🙂
A proper follow up episode would be a couple or couples from different classes, I'd love to see and hear what united them despite the fact that they grew up worlds apart.
Very related topic - I promise! Attach value to the things of eternal & intrinsic benefit; material things come & go but that should not change who you are as a person
