Mono Rigs and Euro Leaders -- Micro Thin or Standard? 

True stuff

Thanks, Scott.

Very cool. Thanks! Glad to know you connect with the stuff.

Cheers.

Nice. Thank you.

Right on

Thanks, Scott.

Absolutely.

Cool. I agree, all the bi color stuff is way too limp for me to make a full leader out of it. And if you do any stripping or streamer work, it loses its composure pretty quickly.

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Thanks. Here's an article for you about some of that: troutbitten.com/2020/01/26/why-you-may-not-need-the-crutch-of-6x-and-smaller-tippets/ But to your point, it hardly matters much, no. As long as the fly has some ability to move and flex around, It'll catch trout just as well. I strongly believe that trout are NOT tippet shy. They are drag shy. They don't care if they see your tippet.

Thanks very much, Martin!

I feel almost exactly the same. Well said. Like you, I also love spending long periods of time testing things. Even if I end up not liking them, I still get the benefit of learning a new angle or approach. Love where you are coming from, man.

Lots of control over the flies.

cheers

Hi David. Yes.. And I still use Amnesia for filming, a lot of the time. It's okay. It's second best. It's less powerful per diameter and gets a little stiffer in the wintertime than Chameleon. Red is softer than green. The color of America makes a difference too. It all adds up. Try it all, and see what you like. Cheers.

Hi there. Thanks. I use whatever form of weight works best for the situation. So, weighted flies, with bead and/or lead wraps, split shot or drop shot. For me, tungsten putty is a lot more bother than split shot. But if it might work for you and you'll love it. Couple articles might help . . . troutbitten.com/2018/02/21/fly-fishing-strategies-no-limits-fish-every-type-weight-available/ troutbitten.com/2022/07/13/dont-hate-split-shot-have-a-system-with-video/

Thanks for the comment. But I cannot agree that micro is better in the wind. It's underpowered, so there's no way to push through without overweighting the fly. Analogy: which is better in the wind, a 2 weight or 6 weight fly line? 6, right? Because it has more power. Same with the mono rigs. If we are CASTING these leaders, there's no doubt the standard rig does better in the wind. Those are my thoughts. But there are a lot of variables for everyone, too. Cheers.

@@Troutbitten that is also true. But i was referring to presentation of the fly... So after the cast has been made. My bad, didnt explain it well. I find it easier to cast same weight fly which will pull my micro leader than to cast with standard leader and same weight fly. I suppose we have different styles. Which is actually great. Cheers Vladimir

Right on. I also strongly prefer to use a tight line to the Indy when it's windy. But not everyone does that. I agree with you. I love that there are so many good ways to achieve similar results. Good to talk it through though too.

Thanks for your kind words. Could articles I've published on the Troutbitten website will answer your questions in great detail. Loop to Loop is Bad. Try Attaching Your Leader This Way: troutbitten.com/2019/03/06/loop-to-loop-is-bad-try-attaching-your-leader-to-the-fly-line-this-way/ And this one. Euro Nymphing Fly Line vs The Mono Rig troutbitten.com/2021/01/04/euro-nymphing-fly-line-vs-the-mono-rig Dig into those articles, please. Short answer version: Clinch knot to the fly line loop. And don't use a euro line because they are almost useless. Attach the Mono Rig to a regular fly line, keep your options open, and love your life.

I use 3-4 turns in the thicker materials and five turns in the thinner stuff (2X or smaller). Cheers.

That's definitely key.

Oh, no doubt the Standard is my best bet in the wind. Sure it catches a bit more wind after the cast, but that's hardly noticeable. I like the way a more powerful leader punches through the wind. For me, it's that simple. Cheers.

Good question. Here's a video for you that I did on leader changes. You can switch in about one minute this way. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4xmgbTfyNsg.html

Yes. Take a look at this. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4xmgbTfyNsg.html There are also many links to more leader info in the companion Troutbitten article for that video. It is listed in the description. Cheers. Dom

Thanks very much. Here ya go. troutbitten.com/2018/11/11/fly-fishing-in-the-winter-your-hands/

@@Troutbitten Thank you! And great apperance at Toms podcast, keep preaching! Love it

Hi Tony. Thank you, but what you seek is available to you here. Please understand that it is impossible to put every bit of knowledge in one short video. Troutbitten runs deep. There are 1000+ articles and 75+ podcasts. I linked to many supporting articles in the video, and they are in the description of this video. If you visit those articles and dig into the links contained there as well, you will find the answer to all of your questions. You can also feel free to email me, and I'll provide article links and answers. Understand that none of the Troutbitten material is intended to stand alone. Everything here builds on what has come before it. Things are a little different at Troutbitten. You are at the tip of a very large iceberg. Cheers.

I understand all of what he is talking about. get to studying.

Good stuff. And I would argue that it takes MORE casting skill to make the standard rig work than to make a micro rig work.

Try Chameleon, Amnesia or Sufix Siege in 12 lb.

Thank you.

No, not at all in my opinion.

We build up inventory and have a leader sale 3-4 times a year. They sell out in a few days, usually. Last time it was 800 leaders. Can't keep up with that year round, honestly, so it's a few times a year. Next one in July. Thank you.

I forgot. Ha.

Yes, for sure. We fish it with a dry fly quite a bit. Here's a full Troutbitten article on that subject. troutbitten.com/2019/09/25/dry-flies-on-the-mono-rig/ Your question about sighters is addressed in there. Short answer is . . . sometimes. Ha

@@Troutbitten thanks so much, just getting into the videos and articles, been listening to the podcast for awhile too. Great stuff!

@@TroutDaze Thanks

On a micro leader that is definitely another problem. As I said, it's not my favorite. The Standard doesn't have that issue.. Cheers.

Hi there. Check the Maxima website.. Prices and shipping are good, and it's almost always in stock. If not, my favorite backup is Sufix Superior.

Ha. Common question. Here ya go. troutbitten.com/2018/11/11/fly-fishing-in-the-winter-your-hands/

@@Troutbitten I read the article and I gotta say I like the way you party!! Glad I discovered the trout bitten way of life thanks !!

Thanks for your question. So, everyone has there own way of doing things, and this is just my own. That said, I fundamentally disagree with your premise. The Standard Mono Rig fishes well on anything from a five weight down to a one weight fly rod. When you say the line was too heavy, I'm very confused. I assume you mean the leader -- the Mono Rig -- correct? But that 3 weight rod your talking about handles a three weight fly line beautifully. It casts dry flies with a weight forward 3WT fly line really well. So that fly line isn't too heavy, right? In fact, that's what the rod is built to handle. It loads nicely with a 3WT fly line. The Standard Mono Rig weighs about 1/4 of that fly line. So how could the Mono Rig be too heavy? Some of these articles are linked above as well, but here are three that will really help you understand the purpose and the functionality of the Mono Rig. Thin and Micro Thin Leaders for Euro Nymphing and the Mono Rig troutbitten.com/2021/02/07/thin-and-micro-thin-leaders-for-euro-nymphing-and-the-mono-rig/ Design and Function of the Troutbitten Standard Mono Rig troutbitten.com/2021/03/14/design-and-function-of-the-troutbitten-standard-mono-rig/ The Full Mono Rig System - All the variations, with formulas and adjustments troutbitten.com/2019/10/13/the-full-mono-rig-system-all-the-variations-with-formulas-and-adjustments/ Again, lots of good ways to do things, but these are my preferences. Cheers. Dom

Thanks for the quick reply, when I tried it out, the rod tip bent to the left and the leader flew very low and to the left. It just felt like the tip was overloaded. Any ideas ? Thanks much

@@rjf1877 Right on. I guess I'd ask if you understand my point about the 3 weight fly line. Not the rod nor the tip is certainly not overloaded by the Mono Rig. Know what I mean? Try learning to cast just the Mono Rig itself, with no fly or weight.

Your right. It must be “pilot error “ ! I’ll give it more practice time. Thanks very much for your help.

@@rjf1877 Sure thing. I guess I run into a lot of misunderstandings about the whole thing. Cheers.

I guess I've been doing that since I was a kid. Just a rag for wiping hands and drying things. It can dry out a lot better while hanging there rather than balled up in a pocket.