Montigny Parlour Pistols: When indoor shooting was cool, with firearms expert Jonathan Ferguson.

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Relatively small, but packed with history - this week's episode explores the Belgian Montigny system all-metal breech-loading needle-firing parlour pistol. Try saying that fast three times.
0:00 Intro
0:50 System Montigny
1:35 Maker's Mark
1:53 History of Montigny
2:30 Design
7:15 Variants
8:30 Details
9:50 Purpose
10:41 Firearm History
12:10 Fine Firearm Dining
12:21 Outro
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@markmayville688 2 месяца назад

Love your channel. I saw you on forgotten weapons and have been following you ever since. The title of this post caught my eye, and I had to comment. Just for context, I'm a 70 year old American. Growing up, my grandfather, who was a mechanical engineer, built a shooting range in his basement. There were retractable steel plates over the windows, air extractor with a steel bullet trap and black oak backstop. It's was the perfect setup for small caliber target shooting, after dinner, the family would retire to the basement for an evening of fun. Good times.

@jonathanferguson1211 2 месяца назад

Thank you! The range sounds great.

@awmperry 2 месяца назад

Here in Sweden, traditional bolt-action .22 rifles (technically just short, but in common parlance everything up to .22LR) are still referred to as “salongsgevär” - parlour rifles.

@awmperry 2 месяца назад

@@crassgop I’ll reply once I get to my phone. Just give me twenty minutes - it’s on the other side of the parlour.

@danirizary6926 2 месяца назад

Back in the 90s i bought a few of those cheap 1800s .32 rimfire revolvers that you see broken at gunshows for $8. I managed to fix 3 enough to shoot wax bullets with just a primer. We used these as parlor guns

@SkoshiTiger1 2 месяца назад

By any chance did you get the idea out of an issue of Popular Mechanics?

@danirizary6926 2 месяца назад

@@SkoshiTiger1 I think I might have gotten the idea from there. I did not come up with the idea.

@Legitpenguins99 2 месяца назад

That's radical

@Legitpenguins99 2 месяца назад

How did you manage to fire it without rimfire cases?

@danirizary6926 2 месяца назад

@@Legitpenguins99 drilled an off center primer hole that put a small pistol primer very near edge, bent hammer nose a little inwards. Later I got good at reloading rimfire casings using a couple methods

@val26874 2 месяца назад

I'm gonna say the little hoop hanging down is for adding weapon charms. Like you could hang your favourite flower off it or something just because you like how it looks.

@user-kr7yh8vw9m 2 месяца назад

That gun is quite the gorgeous piece of design, very gentlemanly and classy.

@michaelmoorrees3585 2 месяца назад

The Kolibri's were also "parlor pistols". When you need a smaller caliber, like 2mm (0.08cal), and 2.7mm (0.108cal).

@Calum_S 2 месяца назад

The Royal Armouries staff Christmas dinner must be fun.

@TheSundayShooter 2 месяца назад

A Winter Lecture and #WhatIsThisWeapon the same afternoon, what a day to be a @RoyalArmouries subscriber!

@RoyalArmouries 2 месяца назад

Don't say we don't treat you

@user-pw8gc1hy7r 2 месяца назад

@@RoyalArmouriesHi , royal armories can you make a video on a mc-51 or a mc-51sd if you have one in the collection?

@brittakriep2938 2 месяца назад

In Germany up to late 1990s socalled , Zimmerstutzen ' ( chamber rifles), mostly in 4mm Rimfire, had been produced for indoor target shooting. In pre wwl Germany and interwar era, those rifles had been popular, but now they are rather rather rare used.

@samholdsworth420 2 месяца назад

After dinner wafer thin mint? Nah, after dinner duel!

@tektrixter 2 месяца назад

That would be using the wax bullet dueling pistols, not the parlor pistols.

@samholdsworth420 2 месяца назад

@@tektrixter well we can duel with plinking instead

@Getpojke 2 месяца назад

As you've done this parlour pistol it would be fun if you could do a little spot on the now almost defunct history of Pubs/Bars with "parlour" shooting ranges attached. As far as I know there's only one left in the UK, the The George & Dragon in Potterne. As well as the rifle range in the bar they have a bowling/skittles ally in the basement. I think it was mainly .22 ammo used & the ranges were 45 foot long steel pipes, often with a bell as the target. You could have drinks with friends, eat & shoot. Often there were leagues with teams competing against each other. Was popular between the two world wars & a good way to keep peoples eye in for shooting.

@4d4m22 2 месяца назад

Bell Target shooting in pubs with air rifles was massively popular in the early 20th century, especially in the Midlands, with local, even national leagues. Typically 6 or 7 yards so most pubs could accommodate a range. There are tales of shooters taking aim over the heads of drinkers sat at tables! It has had a bit of a resurgence in recent years, using low power 10M Olympic style target rifles though not in pubs as such,. Targets were/are steel plates with incised rings, painted with a non-drying white paint to see the pellet hits and in the centre is a hole with a bell behind it.

@joeybagodonuts6683 2 месяца назад

I'd never heard about any of that, thanks for posting! @@4d4m22

@charlesphillips4575 2 месяца назад

If it was used in a fair ground, instead of a parlour, then the loop could be to chain it to the counter. That restricts peoples ability to point it in dangerous directions and stops people walking off with it.

@dustyak79 2 месяца назад

Damn So simple My theory was fancy Victorians would add some flare by hanging a silk scarf or something since it be brought out for special occasions at a home party.

@gergokerekes4550 2 месяца назад

that would make sense but this is a rather expensive piece of kit for that I think. but the direction might be right, if you would want to display these on a gunwall, maybe this could be used to mount it?

@causewaykayak 2 месяца назад

That period did fun indoor fireworks too.

@michaelwright2986 2 месяца назад

Good grief! I remember indoor fireworks in England, when I was a child. Everything was coal burning then, so I suppose they didn't make much difference to the air quality.

@causewaykayak 2 месяца назад

@@michaelwright2986 Bought from Ellisondons (spelling?) out of Exchange & Mart perhaps ? - along with Black Face Soap, Dodgy Chocolate (laxative to prank your Pals) and Magic Snowstorm (poisonous Metaldehyde tablets). Those days before the HSE !

@mandowarrior123 12 часов назад

Don't they still make them? We had those quite hazardous things in my youth at least, not more than 25 years ago

@MyTv- 2 месяца назад

Parlour guns always fascinated me.

@prestongarvey7745 2 месяца назад

Do you think maybe the central loop is for attaching the gun to a table or bench like a carnival shooting gallery? These seem a bit more fancy and you probably wouldn’t worry about people walking away with them but that’s just a guess.

@derekp2674 2 месяца назад

Thanks very much, Jonathan and team. What a fascinating design, it is far classier than its modern equivalent, i.e. a £15 pot metal Chinese air soft.

@carnage77 2 месяца назад

Louis-Nicolas Flobert dislikes this.

@censusgary 2 месяца назад

A parlour pistol would never work for me. My grandma had a strict rule against shooting guns in the parlor. Also, no wearing hats at the dinner table.

@terry7907 2 месяца назад

Didn’t everyone’s?

@johnstevenson1709 2 месяца назад

I came to see re:loaded yesterday and really enjoyed it but I always think the same thing when I visit, there's loads of artillery around with no annotation, and the arms and armour inside the main staircase have veiwing windows with a bit of thought you could have label's on the half windows to interpret the artifacts on display.

@ristoalanko9281 2 месяца назад

Indoor shooting without any ear plugs... no wonder the great-grandfathers were a bit of hard-hearing. A nice presentaion again, a very obscure weapon. I'd like to the ammo for these, too!

@user-rd6ii6mp1t 2 месяца назад

What do you get if you scaled this design up to a rifle cartridge? A Montigny Henry ... I'll see myself out

@nigeh5326 2 месяца назад

Just watched the latest episode of the BBC series Forensics the real CSI on BBC IPlayer. Thought Jonathan Ferguson and the others at National Armouries might find it interesting as it covers a case in Birmingham UK where a man used a 3D printer to create numerous firearms. Would love to hear Jonathan’s opinion on this area of new technology and it’s potential effect on the UK.

@CrimeVid 2 месяца назад

Do you think that this is what Kipling called a Saloon pistol in Stalkey & Co ? I have always been curious about that. Rather like I saw a perfectly ordinary, single shot, percussion, pocket pistol described as a ladies muff pistol the other day. I’d love to see a series on these civilian artifacts by somebody.

@crunchy0kittens Месяц назад

I wonder if the lanyard loop was to keep the pistols pointed toward the target? We sometimes see this in current day shooting parlors. The weapon leashes are anchored toward the base of the targets, precluding the shooters from errantly pointing the guns back at parlor guests.

@martkbanjoboy8853 2 месяца назад

It puts me in mind of the obscure Slazenger(?) single shot pellet pistol of the 1970's. It was a limited run made in Ontario, Canada. It was horrible in that it seemed to be weakly made of fifty pounds of zamak painted with blue- black enamel. It would have made a good paperweight. @skepticalbadger Somewhere we have or at least had a pic of dad in the old country at a midway. The shooting gallery there used a very common style of barrel cocking .177" single shot rifle that may have had a mv of six hundred fps. The target was rigged to the shutter of ablack and white camera, it must have been a Polaroid or something similar. So we have a pic of twenty something dad aiming the rifle, dad decked out in a typical mode of dress of the era and locale, a wool sportsjacket, collared shirt, pleated trousers, belt, and narrow tie. Must have been out ladykilling on the weekend. :D

@threatz7589 2 месяца назад

Hey Jonathan, could you do a video about the WW1 Becker Type M2 Gun, if you ever find one?

@okancanarslan3730 2 месяца назад

gorgeous guns

@eirikmellesdal 2 месяца назад

Very cool gun

@pavelvtyurin267 2 месяца назад

Love to see the content about obscure and unusual guns, thank you for your work. If it's not too much trouble, would you mind showing off an 1875 Lee vertical action? Pretty please 😔IMO it's the pinnacle of single shot rifle actions

@jjforcebreaker 2 месяца назад

Exquisite design. Sleek & classy, such eye candy!

@stebo-pv2hq 2 месяца назад

in a similiar vein,one could get a .22 insert for their Luger and go upstairs at the pub and plink cheap ceramic figurines.

@davinci3259 2 месяца назад

Since it's a parlour pistol I wonder if the ring is a means to attach it to something and prevent theft.

@F1ghteR41 2 месяца назад

3:00 It looks like the video loops around here, or there's some sort of continuity error in the editing. 6:12 Speaking of grips, the way you have to grip around the spur on the trigger guard doesn't seem comfortable, does it? 10:11 It looks like some still do it in Switzerland. 11:25 The first thing I thought when I've seen the name of the designer.

@LiveDonkeyDeadLion 2 месяца назад

Are these similar to the ones in The Count of Monte Cristo when he practices indoors? I can’t remember the name of them, but I instantly thought of the book

@samholdsworth420 2 месяца назад

I'm sure it's something similar 😊

@jonathanferguson1211 2 месяца назад

I've just checked and he's certainly describing something like a parlour pistol, fired using only a cap though, so not like anything I've seen from the 1840s. More like a bulleted breech cap pistol from the late 19th century.

@F1ghteR41 2 месяца назад

@@jonathanferguson1211 Didn't Flobert start offering his cap pistols in the 1840s?

@greycatturtle7132 2 месяца назад

Interesting

@grahampalmer9337 2 месяца назад

😮 You mean that you haven't followed Forgotten Weapons religiously Johnathan ?! Ian has posted more than one article on these things. I believe the French even engaged in 'Street' competitions with something similar - wearing Fencing type protection (No. Not wearing fencing - as - protection 😐)

@BeetleBuns 2 месяца назад

a good picket fence would be quite adequate protection though against something like this

@jonathanferguson1211 2 месяца назад

Fairly religiously, yes - I don't believe he's covered one of these before? If you just mean parlour/saloon pistols in general, well yes, that's a broad church.

@ThePerfectRed 2 месяца назад

That seems like a really large caliber for a parlour/indoor pistol. Most had like 4-6mm, with around 4,4mm becoming the norm by the end of the century. And, of course, only propelled by a percussion cap, not an actual cartidge! This gun might have been more designed for courtyards rather than indoors.

@jonathanferguson1211 2 месяца назад

You may have missed the on-screen clarification that it's only 7mm.

@ThePerfectRed 2 месяца назад

@@jonathanferguson1211 My mistake, thanks for the hint!

@JvS1711 2 месяца назад

Pretty sure the most common calibre in Europe was the 6mm Flobert.

@CGM_68 2 месяца назад

In 1807 in London, Pall Mall was the first street to get gaslight.

@vattmann1387 2 месяца назад

Ah, the equivalent of having nerf guns available on game and curry nights with the lads :)

@kebabsvein1 2 месяца назад

Like to read about early obturation methods

@EddietheBastard 2 месяца назад

I so love the old drawings and manufacture - those embellishment details are glorious, rarely seen outside of high end shotguns these days. as an aside to your aside, aluminium is light, has fine engineering properties and also has a low thermal capacity, so 'coldness to the feel' may be considered a minor inconvenience by competition shooters unless the competition is outdoor and somewhere seriously cold.

@dave_724 2 месяца назад

i’ve seen .410 shotgun pistols labeled as parlour pistol what’s the deal with these where they centrefire pistold conversations?

@dustyak79 2 месяца назад

The ring thing I can picture some Victorian gentleman or lady hanging a silk scarf for decoration, as it would bring out some flare to the occasion you’d bring out a parlor pistol. And maybe even as some kind of visual effect to the steady aim of the shooter as they’d likely have an audience. Pure speculation.

@Splatpope 2 месяца назад

yea our guns are cool

@bensayeed953 2 месяца назад

Nice, quite obtuse for sure but indeed interesting. 😊

@gergokerekes4550 2 месяца назад

you drink some good Jenever with your gentlemeanly friends. you shoot some paper sheets in your parlour. it sounds soo outlandish, yet this was probably the sunday afternoon of many.

@Procket12 2 месяца назад

There was also the Flobert series of parlor pistols. It used self contained metallic cartridges but they were very small and the only propellent for the round was the primer. Absolutely no gun powder in the case.