MOONGLOW IS FUGITIVE! Mix Your Own Lightfast Daniel Smith Watercolor Alternative to PR177 + Bird Art

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Though rated as LFI, PR177 fades when diluted. Little to no fading in masstone acrylic / oil, but is LFIII to LFIV (major fading) in watercolor. How to make a look-a-like dupe of Daniel Smith's moonglow that swaps out this red pigment for something more lightfast. ↓ SHOW MORE for art supply links and other info! ↓
PAINT:
Daniel Smith Viridian, French Ultramarine and Quin Coral. If you like a lot of granulation, Schmincke's French Ultramarine has even more texture!
Worldwide Jackson's Daniel Smith - www.jacksonsar...
Schmincke - www.jacksonsar...
USA Blick for Da Vinci, Daniel Smith or Schmincke - shrsl.com/2igwn
or Da Vinci directly at - www.davincipai...
You can also find most Daniel Smith paints on Amazon - amzn.to/35WOpey
GOLD final touches mica paint. Color name "Arabic Gold" can be found as Coliro OR Finetec brand. Individual Coliro Arabic Gold at Jackson's - www.jacksonsar...
Individual Finetec Arabic Gold from Blick - shrsl.com/2ih0p
Set of golds from Amazon - amzn.to/2H7cs02
PAPER I USE:
Lower cost cotton paper option, great for swatching - Bee Cold Press: amzn.to/3mauCOv
Better durable paper - Arches Cold Press on Jackson's worldwide: www.jacksonsar...
Arches on Blick who often has good prices for US: shrsl.com/2d1lx
Winsor & Newton's cold press paper is durable, takes layers and lifting well. It has a rougher texture, worse for drawing detail, but works magic with granulating paints: amzn.to/35kvKt2
You can also find W&N on Blick for a good price for USA - shrsl.com/2igwr
PALETTE - Plain rectangle ceramic dish amzn.to/3cc13Yi
PENS waterproof Tombow Mono - amzn.to/3ai7w2i
BRUSHES - Neptune to hold a lot of water amzn.to/2Af92Fg
Heritage to hold a good point amzn.to/32hBUbz
Cheaper brushes I like for watercolor painting, that have a nice point and a decent balance between water capacity and spring (firmness to snap back into shape) include:
Dynamic Distraction - amzn.to/3maws1R
Dugato - amzn.to/33j0Le8
I use affiliate links. As an Amazon Associate, I earn from qualifying purchases. Thank you :)
End of video swatch card preview is Daniel Smith's Cascade Green which you can find
here: amzn.to/38WzjEI
or
here: www.jacksonsar...
The color of art pigment database is a great place to look up specific info about lightfastness, toxicity and alternate names for pigments. You can see how they mention PR177 being LFI in oil, but only LFIII in watercolor here www.artiscreati...
My lightfast testing, pigment database, swatch card rubber stamps, color wheel palettes, digital download printable art and more:
www.KimCrick.com
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@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

FORGOT TO MENTION THAT UV SPRAYS/GLASS FRAMES DO NOT HELP. Sadly I have not found any affordable brand of UV frame or spray that makes much difference. It might help with brief exposure, like a short term gallery display for a couple weeks (not effective for long term). There may be an expensive framing brand out there with specialty fine art use in mind. Even Krylon, a reputable spray paint company, who makes UV sealer (clear acrylic) only changed the color results slightly (and in some cases made the colors change unexpectedly after coating). In my tests with opera pink the paint still faded, but to an oddly orangish hue instead of plain diluted looking fading. The only thing I've seen work for protecting fugitive dye inks, such as alcohol inks, is a thick layer of resin like "Art Resin" brand on Amazon. For wall art it does distort the sun beams enough to be beneficial. Though, in the end, all that work to salvage fugitive paints is expensive and time consuming compared to just using more lightfast pigments to start. As far as I can tell it's a bit of a scam about UV glass, because there is no regulations or guarantees or even amount they tell you that it will help. I think thick glass with uv coatings, like car or house windows might work, but that would be pretty unreasonable for art lol :)

@DrPhilologist 4 года назад

There are brands of museum anti-uv glass which will provide 100% UV coverage, with some caveats. They are extremely expensive and they have a limited life-span of a couple of years or so. The manufacturers usually work exclusively with museums, making them pretty hard to find, in the first place. People talk about glass and UV glass but in reality this is not a truly viable option for people whose artwork is not displayed in the MoMA or the Tate.

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@harlanmaverick3296 3 года назад

@Mayson Davis thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. I see it takes a while so I will get back to you later with my results.

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@maysondavis2827 3 года назад

@Harlan Maverick no problem :)

@joshuatrevino4743 4 года назад

I honestly can't believe that there is even a debate about lightfastness. Professional or not, finding out that something you worked on might fade away is a sad prospect. I'm glad to know about Moonglow now. As always, excellent work. Thank you for sharing this!

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

Moonglow was one of the very first colors I discovered lightfast problems with, which was such a bummer after falling in love with it's unique color separation. When I first started painting I hadn't realized how easy it was to mix my own lightfast version, and this color sat unused in my palette for over a year. Now I hope to help people avoid this issue, because as you said - it's a sad prospect and no one wants to see their hard work fade!

@InternetNonsense 10 месяцев назад

Agree, even if your work is mostly prints and digital, the rustic charm of having the original be as it was intended, might even be hanged somewhere, nothing can replace that. I couldn't imagine hanging a PRINT for cottagecore aesthetics, the texture, the life, the uniqueness is lost. Not to mention how handy it would be if you lost your digital version somehow to just be able to rescan it at any time, not "oops it was invisible ink" or suddenly greyscale now? If recreating exactly is impossible due to discontinued pigments? Ability to work in unconventional sizes, shapes, mixed medias. You can't print a holographic shimmer put on butterfly's wings for example. I never understood the fugitive pigments. Why are they made, who uses them?

@kaas2597 8 месяцев назад

@@InternetNonsense I've seen artists that don't like to think about lightfastness and even those that delete comments on youtube if you give a heads up on any colour they use. It is especially consearning when they sell the art. It is not cheap to buy originals, they better be lightfast. Sadly some companies like to avoid explicitly and honestly labeling their paints profiting on such people.

@carlaeskelsen 6 месяцев назад

@@kaas2597 There are artists who delete comments with heads-up on fugitive colors????

@kaas2597 6 месяцев назад

@@carlaeskelsen yep, I have seen that happen fairly recently. Someone asked about fugitiveness of moonglow on another channel, and that chanel's owner artist said those were "fake rumors". I was told, that my reply simply listing lightfast issues of some colours was deemed rude and is now invisible. Not all artists are smart or honest/diligent about quality and longevity of their work.

@Finkeldinken 4 года назад

I knew about the Moonglow wc not being lightfast at all, and while I don't pay a lot of attention to LF it still annoys me a lot when the companies are that sloppy with their info. These mixes are lovely - what a useful video. I am a bit of a sucker for granulationg, separating mixes atm, so this was all very yummy!

@zenkittystudiowithdarklily1110 7 месяцев назад

I tried your recipe for moonglow using Daniel smith French ult blue, viridian and Quin Coral, and the results are stunning! Thank you.

@THEMAYQUEEN1 4 года назад

That’s fantastic. I actually can see that your own mixes are even more vibrant than the DS moonglow

@FayeWulf 4 года назад

Very informative! The little swatches of the mixes for the dupe of moonglow look like tiny little windows to galaxies and I love how the colour separates in the palette so it becomes a much more versatile paint to use on the bird. It's gorgeous. ❤❤❤

@deejcarter2003 3 года назад

This was very interesting. Like you said consumers should know exactly what they are getting. We shouldn’t have to second guess a rating, and end up doing our own testing. Love your mixes. I plan on giving them a try😍

@KariGibsonArt 4 года назад

What a lovely colour, I have not seen it before - it is always worth testing our favourite art supplies in the way that we use them, rather than relying on manufacturers' lab tests. I love the beautiful alternatives you created avoiding the problem pigment, thanks for such great information!

@justinetamaro2133 4 года назад

I don’t own moonglow but it’s been on my wishlist. Thanks so much for this video. I would have been really frustrated to see it fade so quickly. Shame on Daniel Smith!

@vanessaboman8143 3 года назад

What's up with Daniel Smith .... First the primaTek and now moonglow... I got a 5no tube and loved it a lot... But I am very disappointed 😞😞😞😞 with the owner of DS!

@DrPhilologist 4 года назад

Pr177 in lighter washes fades no matter the brand, and this includes Daniel Smith too (regrettably they don't mention this either). This is the problem with lightfastness test that use only full strength swatches, most colours will succeed there, the problem becomes very prominent when more water is added.

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

Yes, it's a shame about PR177 in general being always labeled as LFI. I think in particular the most sad thing about this Moonglow mixture is the PR177 comes pre-diluted, making up such a small % of the mix. Even applied full strength Moonglow will always fade. I really wish watercolor paint manufacturers would pass on more accurate information for our medium, instead of copying results from masstone acrylic and oil paints :(

@MsRain49 4 года назад

Absolutely Gorgeous! Thank you so much for this. I'm new to painting, and honestly haven't done a whole lot of it yet, but discovered I LOVE mixing colors. I adore Moonglow, and believe it's one that I will use often, and am so excited at the idea of being able to mix my own variations of it. Thank you so much! 💖

@leenb.7936 2 года назад

I’m a long way away from making paintings to put on walls or such so I’ll gladly use my Moonglow half pan until it’s gone. But for after that (or when I do want something to have the possibility to be “in the open” I’m so glad to know about the fugitive aspect of it. Looking forward to making my own after my current half pan is empty, thanks for this!

@AutomHatter 3 года назад

Of course I just got my DS Moonglow today.... But I appreciate your tests and demonstration! I’ll have to mix up my own as well.

@Kate37889 Год назад

You are just so talented and committed! Thank you for... you! xx

@suhelavaneerten419 4 года назад

Thanks so much! I was just about to order Moonglow...

@spiritsjoy 4 года назад

Ah, a touchy subject, i saw a note from you a while ago mentioning this and quietly stopped using it. Problem is most of us have already sold pieces using this color or would have to pull expensive pieces that were meant for selling. We trusted the ratings.I kbow im not the only one that saw you mention this somewhere but its easy to say I didnt know, or can use the fact that they may not have an association with your channel to..... do the wrong thing...... This is my opinion and whispers on the wind....Lol. Anyway, it is vital information on a beloved color. I will try one of your mixes and your bird is beautiful.

@pennypenpen5371 2 месяца назад

Thank you! 🤗

@ChantelleVenter 4 года назад

Thanks so much for the video. I just bought a big tube of Moonglow last month. I've had a painting hanging by my window for over a year now with no fading. I did make the colour a bit darker and covered it with Gablin Cold Wax when I finished. It's not covered with glass or anything. Literally hanging on a piece of rope. I haven't seen any colour change as of yet but might be due to it not separating as much. I love the mixes you have shown and will now only use Moonglow in my sketchbook. Really appreciate the time and effort you take to show us how to mix the colours on our own ❤️

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

I've never tried Gamblin's Cold Wax, I'm curious if it helps protect the color or just make it more waterproof from damages. I'll check it out in the future! Moonglow is definitely more stable in masstone and on dry, where the color stays solid and darker instead of separating out into water. Happy painting :)

@ChantelleVenter 4 года назад

@@KimberlyCrick I've covered all my paintings in the cold wax and hung them on the wall right in front of the window. No problems so far. Maybe get a small pot and test it out for now. Looking forward to your next video 🤗

@1827handmade 4 года назад

Wow thanks for this, what an amazing and thorough video with the most calming voice I've ever heard!

@fanatlarge 2 года назад

What an amazing pigment database on your website! Very useful.

@CatsInaCradle 3 года назад

I just stumbled upon your channel and subscribed. Thanks so much for this video. I'm so upset about Moonglow....😭. You've given us some wonderful alternatives here. Your painting is just beautiful. I look forward to more of your videos. 🤗

@ChrissieNicely 4 года назад

Thank you so much for letting us know about this issue! 😥 I have quite a few convenience mixtures from when I picked up watercolour but I have learnt quite a bit since then. When I paint now, I typically pick a couple of colours and mix my own shades and colours out of those few because I find it makes for a more cohesive look. Occasionally, I would use up my convenience paints, though. And if I am not painting in my sketchbook, i.e. most of the time, this fading issue is a real bummer! Isn't that the reason we pay so much for our paints?! Ughh! Your mixes turned out beautifully! I am loving the heron and the gold touches! 🤩😍🥰🧡 Thanks again! 😘

@1mulekicker 5 месяцев назад

Your art is stunning. Will using DS moonglow work for shadows. I just ordered a tube without knowing the information here. You'd think they'd have reformulated by now.

@karenfinneganart2480 3 года назад

thank you so very much for all your research you do into this and sharing it with us. It saves us so much time. Your generosity is very much appreciated x

@selinamularz9194 3 года назад

Thanks so much for this, Moonglow is one if my favorites and I had no idea it wasn't lightfast.

@ChristinaTodd1970 4 года назад

I ran out of Moonglow a few months ago so I made my own. I used QOR viridian, Sennelier French Ultramarine (it's a 2 pigment color, go figure) and oddly enough I can't remember what red I used. Anyway, I mixed then wet little by little until I got the color I liked and now I have a huge well of it. I like it better too.

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

I'll have to try Qor's viridian at some point. Good for you for getting creative and mixing your own, I wish I had thought to do this a long time ago! When I noticed Moonglow fading in my test results I left it sitting in my palette untouched for a while, never really thinking to start playing around with mixtures so I could still enjoy the effects.

@ChristinaTodd1970 4 года назад

Kimberly Crick Art I adore Moonglow, it's one of my favorite colors due to the effects. The QOR Viridian really granulates beautifully, you should try it. My homemade mix is more neutral than DS, which makes it even more useful. I can always adjust it later. You're absolutely right about needing more viridian than the other pigments. I used half a small tube to make my mix.

@jenniefrench1338 3 года назад

Yes thank you for speaking up about the Lightfastness exaggeration of companies. They make good $ and the hiding of the truth does in my book tarnish their reputation. I mix my own favorites and know that even some primteks are not lightfast. But it doesn’t bother all artists but it does bother me too. Your versions of Moonglow we’re actually even more beautiful especially with quin coral. Quin coral and pyrrol scarlet and DaVinci’s perm alizarin crimson are my favorite reds. I was glad to see you making your very own convenience colors. I do that with many. Happy painting. And I feel that all the information on every pigment should be readily available.

@Llamanescent 4 года назад

I love the look of color separating paints, but I greatly prefer to buy single pigment paints and will not buy anything that isn't lightfast. As such, I really love videos like this and hope to see more in the future!

@williaml.baptiste3597 2 месяца назад

Moonglow is a nice color for effects, but I have made variations and developed my own version that can be adjusted to my needs. The separation of colors has a fine effect in itself. It all depends on what the person intends to accomplish.

@dranskhaleesi2116 4 года назад

Absolutely gorgeous!!!

@_Obey_ 4 года назад

Oh, good to know.... I am not currently selling my art, but I am planning to im the future. I'll have to go over my palette again for that. On another vid you also brought to my attention that Mayan colors arent exactly lightfast, which I basically totally forgot over my love for them. Love your videos, so informative! So glad I found you by accident when looking up the new schmincke super granulating colors. Great how you manage to not just fangirl over colors but look at them closely and critically, unlike me 😅

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

Ha I'm so glad it appears that way, but I suffer from that excitement and fangirl purchasing too! I later examine them all closely and critically, but instead of kicking myself about buying them all anyway, I turned it into this hobby of comparing them all :D

@Sevvin89 4 года назад

I’m late to the party but I do love your content. Bless you! ☺️

@thefabuloustravelingartstu5119 2 года назад

Thank you for your hard work. I never thought of this.

@1aliveandwell 3 года назад

Like how you have checked lightfastness and experimented with multiple colors. I used to do that with natural dyes I collected and used on wool and cotton. Very inspiring, want to go draw now. Thought was a Night heron you drew but dont recall the dark under chin area. Saw 1 many yrs ago bicycling home from work. It was in a drainage ditch eating little fish,(before it was turned into a concrete channel and covered over as a road. All those poor little Pacific tree frogs. Thank you for your info and vid !!

@KimberlyCrick 3 года назад

Thank you, this is a different type of night heron called the "yellow-crowned night heron" it's a little different than other night herons and has a longer thin neck.

@Jendollla 4 года назад

This is quite interesting and informative. Thank you. I happen to have a large tube of moonglow to use up. Guess it will be more sketchbook style.

@persephoneblack888 2 года назад

Thank you for this video. I had no idea about Moonglow. It's in my collection because I love it. Luckily it's only ever been using inside my sketchbooks. Thank you for these awesome mixes, I'll have to try these. 😊 ♡

@nancyloomis3046 2 года назад

Thanks for this…I just ordered the Jean Haines set that includes Moonglow & Opera, another well-known fugitive color. On the DS site, they still claim that Moonglow is very lightfast! 🤬I didn’t catch your video in time to cancel it, but will be returning it. I love DS, but they really are not doing their customers any favors.

@nickadamopoulos6472 3 года назад

Your suggestions are very helpful thank you.

@cristinalattuada5322 3 года назад

Your art work is so beautiful. Thank you for letting us know about Moonglow, I will give your suggestions a go. Unfortunately, I already own a tube of it.

@radorado3362 3 года назад

I prefer M Graham paints but was eyeing the DS moonglow for a while. Thanks to your video, I ditched that idea. Today I finally got to mixing it with M Graham’s PG18+PB29+PR209. It took a bit of tinkering and fine tuning the proportions, but it came out gorgeous. I pre-mixed a whole full pan. Thanks!!!!!

@KimberlyCrick 3 года назад

MGraham makes my favorite PG18, that viridian is perfect for the lightfast moonglow replacement. I'm glad to hear that I helped you decide to mix your own! Happy painting :)

@severussnape3949 Год назад

Love The Option Given. My Red Choice Is Potter’s Pink Or DS Minn. Pipestone. ❤️

@malinschuberterlandsson7192 9 месяцев назад

Have you made a review on Rockwell Canada's colours ?

@xTK421x 3 года назад

Really though I thoroughly enjoyed your video as I recently got a pack of Dan Smith's color and have been trying to figure out where exactly to use Moonglow and now before using it and wasting my time I can make my own that is lightfast and leaning to whichever color I prefer

@SMCCRADY2 2 года назад

I wish I had seen this earlier. I can't remember If I have Moonglow, but I did buy the comparable P.Gray from Roman Szmal. I guess it will be used only in a sketch book.

@Papersheep 4 года назад

I never knew PR177 can be fugitive! I just bought Da Vinci's Artemis and quite liked it. What a sad news :( However, your mix with PR209 looks very nice. I should try to mix my own. Looking forward your next video. Thank you!

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

Yes, I was very sad to find that out about PR177. It is good though that it gave me the motivation to play with mixing my own. I realize how often I am being lazy by buying these kinds of mixtures lol :)

@phillipmaxwellastrology2978 2 месяца назад

I also don't understand why people use Alazirin crimson, you can mix it with a quicricdone rose and viridian for example.

@DAYbreaking_Ideas 3 года назад

Wonderful information. I’d much prefer a limited pallet with knowledge of color and pigment theory. Of course I say this having purchased excellent paint without that knowing and have now have tubes that are sketchbook only options.

@nualaking4516 Год назад

I’ve just bought Moonglow. Thank you so much for this. Would adding a little red to Moonglow help ?

@leighannenight 3 года назад

So helpful!! Thank you!

@fanatlarge 2 года назад

Had to hit subscribe when the gold came out 😛(Would have done it anyway).

@madamebutterfly6470 2 месяца назад

Daniel Smith website states that both Moonglow and Quinacridone Coral are excellent lightfast??

@NelaDunato 2 года назад

Dang, I was so pleased with my Roman Szmal Anthraquinone Red which claimed "good" lightfastness. Handprint samples for DS and Maimeri looked pretty OK, not as faded as yours. I'll need to test it on my own, but may need to wait until spring since I'll hardly get any sunlight this time of year :/ This is my favorite shade of red pigment. PR176 is very close in masstone, but way too pink when diluted. Sigh.

@TeddyApolloFN 3 года назад

ah wish I saw this before buying it yesterday 🤦🏻‍♂️ ah well, I know for the future!

@pennycandyys Год назад

Hi Kimberly, I bought DS Veridian and Quin Coral, but I have Schmincke French Ultramarine...is it okay for me to mix the brands?

@jB_9014 2 года назад

I'm just a beginner.. May I ask, in the small examples- what did you pinch on the paintings in order to slightly change the color? Salt?

@KimberlyCrick 2 года назад

Yes regular table salt. The salt pushes away the lightest pigment particles away from heavier sediment, allowing you to quickly see the colors color separating potential in very wet larger washes on this tiny swatch. In general, granulating pigments like ultra blue pb29 will remain visible under salt.

@annakatrina448 2 года назад

And why do you think it is that DS wouldn't find a better alternative to the fading Aliz Crimson so that the lightfastness is improved?

@KimberlyCrick 2 года назад

I think that PR177 in comparison to PR83 is much stronger in masstone, they may simply have not tested it diluted. Though there's probably other concerns like cost or how it performs in mixtures when blended into formulas like Moonglow. I'm disappointed they haven't tried offering a superior alizarin hue though, like Winsor and Newton's Permanent Alizarin is a blend of PV19 and PR206 which is a lovely rose red alternative, and Da Vinci's Perm. Aliz. uses a unique red shade of PV19 to come close too. It's weird that they used any ingredients still sensitive to light to make DSmiths's "Permanent Alizarin". I may never really understand their choices :(

@russellcurtis6334 Год назад

Hello Kimberly. I am setting up my own plein-air palette at the moment and I would like to be able to mix my own Moonglow. I already have Daniel Smith’s Quin. Coral and Viridian on my palette but I’m stuck between adding Cobalt Blue (which I love) and Ultramarine Blue. I’ve only got room for one or the other. They are both warm-leaning blues so I was wondering, could you mix something like Moonglow with Cobalt instead of Ultramarine?

@KimberlyCrick Год назад

Absolutely you could choose Cobalt instead of Ultramarine, but the level of granulation varies for each type of ultramarine or cobalt. So the color separation will be more or less dramatic depending on which one and which brand you pick. For instance, Cobalt Blue Deep by Schmincke or Winsor and Newton are much more textural than the standard Ultramarine options, with the exception of Schmincke's French Ultramarine which has the most dramatic granulation. So depending on the one you use, there will be some variation, but both cobalt and ultramarine are heavy granulating pigments that will color separate in mixtures.

@AllanJayQuesada 4 года назад

Moonglow is my favorite of all but I have been doubting it's PR177 as it is marginally lightfast accg to handprint.com . Your test confirms its vulnerability. Now, I'm looking at the warmer Shadow Violet of Daniel Smith as my new ready made alternative. I think its PO73 is a stronger pigment than PR177. Will you also test it out? Thank you for this upload, very useful and informative. 🙏🏻🎨

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

Yes, I am working on the Shadow Violet video as well. It is more stable, but still not totally permanent. More like LFII in masstone and LFIII in diluted because PO73 has a problem with long term UV exposure when diluted (particularly if you hang it where morning sun beams shine in a window every morning for over 6 months). It's not nearly as bad as the LFIV equivalent fading of diluted PR177 though which fades much quicker. PO73 is often much stronger in masstone than PR177 is in full strength as well. That one would only be a real issue if a buyer or gallery hung it in a pretty bad spot. I'll see if I can find a stable orange that might be a good mixing replacement for that sort of circumstance too.

@VanmeterFL 3 года назад

Before you ditch Moonglow, or any other colors in your palette, check out Jane Blundell's extensive 19 month lightfastness study of Moonglow (which didn't fade for her) in the harsh Australian sun! Here's the link: janeblundellart.blogspot.com/2014/09/next-lightfast-test-results.html

@monsoon_magic2874 2 года назад

What can be used in place of Viridian? Will Cobalt turquoise or Chromium oxide work as well?

@KimberlyCrick 2 года назад

Chromium Oxide is too dull and smooth and Cobalt Turq/Teal will handle differently in mixtures. The closest match to Viridian PG18 would be Cobalt Green Deep PG26, and slightly less suitable as a replacement would be other cobalt greens made from PG50 or PG19 - however none of them are as transparent as Viridian. The closest color match, without any granulation texture, is Phthalo Green PG7 (which will not be suitable for making this type of mixture since it will stain the red to brown).

@monsoon_magic2874 2 года назад

@@KimberlyCrick thank you.

@lmd2454 3 года назад

What did you sprinkle onto the paint that caused the colors to separate as they dried?

@KimberlyCrick 3 года назад

It's salt (normal table salt). A nice way to speed up color separation in swatches. It also helps me see which pigments are heavier/thicker particles. Some people like to use it for the snowflake-like texture effect in watercolor backgrounds.

@slane_design 3 года назад

Hi what paper are you using and weight? thank you!!

@KimberlyCrick 3 года назад

I use Arches 140# cold press. Happy painting :)

@slane_design 3 года назад

@@KimberlyCrick Thank you. Your creations are stunning!

@crystalross2284 4 года назад

Do you have a substitution for pr177 as a red? I have been using pr177 as a substitution for alizarin crimson.

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

I'd love to make another red recommendation, but I want to make sure I go over more lightfast test results before I do that in case of any more nasty surprises like this. I was so sad about PR177 and also thought it was terrible that they recommend that as a replacement for alizarin when it fades just as much diluted. Once I have better results for red I'll make a video about it. Thank you :)

@michelleconnor7669 3 года назад

So if you don’t dilute it is it ok?

@KimberlyCrick 3 года назад

No, it just doesn't fade as badly. The pale fading is just far less notable in masstone, but it still lost the red warmth while staying a fairly dark blue color. When diluted it becomes painfully obvious.

@mariamyre9778 3 года назад

👌🤩❣️

@alizafar2624 2 года назад

What is odd with Daniel Smith is that they rate moonglow LFIII in their original oils range, but in watercolour they rank it LFI. Very confusing.

@KimberlyCrick 2 года назад

It's because they use an even more fugitive red in the oil paint version. The watercolor moonglow is PG18/PB29/PR177, but the oil is PG18/PB29/PR83. That PR83 is alizarin crimson, which fades even in masstone. I'm surprised that's what they decided to go with for oil though!

@alizafar2624 2 года назад

@@KimberlyCrick sorry that I didn't look at the pigments used in their oil paint range. Does Daniel Smith even know the difference between PR83 and PR177 in terms of lightfastness? Yet they rank the moonglow with PR177 higher lightfastness. I think Daniel Smith needs to update their lightfastness on their colours. But doing so they will loose their customers as there will be more fugitive colours in the range. So it's just marketing of colours with so called excellent lightfastness, and not honesty of lightfastness. Apparently Daniel Smith have received backlash on their primatek colours, due to not containing the actual mineral colour on the tube. The response of Daniel Smith was not welcoming, sad.

@KimberlyCrick 2 года назад

@@alizafar2624 They definitely lost some customers by not addressing artist concerns politely, instead being dismissive. I'm not sure if they are properly testing their diluted paints, since these reds disappear really quickly when mixed with water or tints with white. Sometimes brands only look at the paint colors at full strength. In my other video about the 6 month check for their entire catalog I was pretty shocked at how many of their LFI rated mica/metallic colors fade too. It is sad :(

@grayven123 3 года назад

I think I'm going to save that 15ml tube of Moonglow for reproduction works.

@SuperUsername147 3 года назад

I’m curious as to whether you think I could get a similar effect with the split primary palette I currently have (hansa yellow light, new gamboge, permanent red, quinacridone rose, ultramarine blue, and pthalo blue, all DaVinci). I would suspect not because viridian is a granulating pigment and probably an important part of the mix. I think I could probably get something similar if I purchased viridian though and used my quinacridone rose.

@KimberlyCrick 3 года назад

You are exactly right, you would get a very similar mix if you got Viridian PG18 to use with your Ultra Blue and Quin Rose. Viridian is too unique to replicate with another green. It performs very differently in color separating washes than greens you can mix with phthalo. You need that heavier granulating Viridian to clump up with the Ultra Blue to recreate Moonglow. If you're curious, I put some mixture card examples of what happens if you make a mixture with Phthalo Green vs using Viridian, under my #8 palette pick at www.kimcrick.com/pages/top-lightfast-watercolor-pigments

@Captain_MonsterFart 2 года назад

Night heron!

@Sam34292 Год назад

I am very disappointed that Moonglow is fugitive and of course will not be using it. The correct thing would have been to refund customers since it was sold under false premise.

@arthuratsingingcove 2 месяца назад

Sorry, but uv glass, museum glass and other products are shown to block the vast majority of UV rays. Unfortunately there are other parts of the sunlight spectrum that ca be harmful, and it is expensive. I would not trust ready-made frames and craft store glass, but a reputable framer.

@thefrugalcrafter 4 года назад

It's always a great to see a new post from you! Loved the bird! Also I agree mixing your own is better and a more versatile option.

@221b-Maker-Street 2 года назад

As well as being a superb artist, you are providing an amazing public service, Kimberly - thank you! 💜

@MirandaWatsonArt 4 года назад

Oh man, I'm so bummed to learn this about Moonglow, as it's always a color I've admired and considered purchasing. Thank you for the great list of alternatives! Another really helpful video, as usual. Also, your painting was beautiful.

@sasayaki 4 года назад

Thank you for keeping everyone informed. I've been trying to make my own reasonable facsimiles of DS mixes I was interested in since I swore off buying paint for a while. Really satisfying and a good skill builder.

@annedavis3340 4 года назад

Moonglow is FUGITIVE! It's lovely seeing someone talking about it Thank you for this

@InLiquidColor 4 года назад

Wow! Thanks for sharing this Kimberly. Very valuable information!

@jennifergieber95 Год назад

Wow, this fades fast! I bought some Moonglow just 3 days ago and left a little in a palette near a sunny south facing window and I can already see the loss of red tones!

@aleahlrb 4 года назад

All the Moonglows you mixed are so close to the DS color! Moonglow is such a pretty color, it immediately went up to my favorite color list along with Payne's Gray (I just really like dark grays with some slight coolness to them).

@LunaBianca1805 3 года назад

I just started mixing your dupe recipes for this and Misty Morning with my Schminckes. I'd never thought that my Ruby Red shows THAT MUCH through in the mix than the Cobalt Turquoise ^^' So I basically got two colours out of one mixing trial, because my pan filled up faster than I thought and I had to maneuvering some into an additional one: One that looks kinda like your Misty Morning mix here and one that looks like a lavender hued storm cloud 😅

@KimberlyCrick 3 года назад

Yeah, it's incredible how much stronger of a mixer those reds are compared to Cobalt Turq/Teals. I bet both of your mixtures are beautiful, I did the same thing and I love them both :D

@LunaBianca1805 3 года назад

@@KimberlyCrick I definitely did. They both look glorious 🥰 And it happened with the moonglow dupe, too 😅 So I got one pan that's slightly more reddish and vivid than the other. I love and will use all four of those pans 😊

@waymire01 3 года назад

I would never use fugitive paints, not even for sketching. There have been too many times I was "messing around" and something amazing happens that I want to keep.

@LanaGoesArt 4 года назад

I agree with you, that Moonglow is beautiful and sadly not lightfast, my test have shown it clearly too. When it comes to companies and the lightfastness rating, so they only rate if the pigment will fade, but NOT colour shifts. So some pigments are rated with highest lightfastness, but have a huge shift like PY40 from yellow to beige/warm grey. This can be a huge issue for artists - especially because the change happens within a few weeks as well (at least in my tests). That's why independend lightfastness test are important.

@BeckyTregear 4 года назад

Well that's a bummer, I love Moonglow! At least it can be mixed with alternative colours, but still, super annoying because I have a big tube of it! 😭

@marjoriejohnson6535 4 года назад

Glad i passed this color up and decided to mix my own. Thank you for other red suggestions

@beechi833 4 года назад

I ordered moonglow three days ago 😭😭 thank you for this invaluable information though, I'll know not to put it in exhibition pieces and paintings for sale.

@inkypunk 3 года назад

I was just trying out my DS watercolour samples today and seeing people use moonglow was the thing that piqued my interest in granulating watercolours. Thank you so much for this advice, I had no idea it wasn't light-fast. I'll be sure to try your recommendation!

@EmilyOlsonArt 3 года назад

I always learn so much from your videos! This was so well done and informative. Thank you Kimberly!

@SEELE-ONE 3 года назад

Dang it! That color is one of my favorites, but only now do I discover it fades so dramatically! I'll pay extra attention to where I use it and to digitalize everything that does as soon as it dries! Thank you for bringing this to our attention!

@ssalas7374 8 месяцев назад

I had completed several paintings in Moonglow before I learned that it was fugitive. But, thanks to you, I was just able to mix my own using the Quin. Coral. Thanks so much!!!

@nou257 3 года назад

damn. i bought 5 tubes of it..,

@BB-nz5sk 3 года назад

I LOVE your use of the custom Moonglow. Beautiful artwork!

@Sadin15 4 года назад

Brilliant work! Thank you for making this video.

@jenwilly7260 7 месяцев назад

You said you used about 50% Viridian in your Moonglow dupe. About what % of French Ultramarine and Quin Coral did you use? I'm trying to pre-mix my own and stick it in a pan in my palette...

@luneviolette9415 3 года назад

me who just ordered moonglow : 👁👄👁

@valasafantastic1055 3 года назад

Thanks! I mixed my own because I just got Quinacridone coral! I already had a good ultramarine and viridian. I’m happy with the mix and lightfast is best!

@amypanddirtytoo1926 2 года назад

Thank you! This was so incredibly helpful! Moonglow is one of my favorite colors of all time and I also am one of those people that don't really care about fugitive colors for pieces in my sketchbook, studies, mastercopies.....basically anything I do not plan on gifting/selling/displaying. But for the latter pieces this guide of the different mixes was VERY helpful!

@brightonrosie Год назад

I’m looking forward to see what you think of Moonglow. It granulates into the 3 pigments which I didn’t like. I bought it and was so disappointed that it faded quite quickly and rarely use it now

@juttabaxter7760 Год назад

Did you contact Daniel Smith about this? Their website still says that "moonglow" has a 4-excellent lightfastness.

@gordonsneddon5914 Год назад

What I don’t understand is why do Daniel Smith not use a more lightfast red in their mix? Especially as Quinacridone Coral (PR209), which you suggest, is already part of their range. The damage to their reputation far outweighs the minor raw material cost which they would pass onto the consumer anyway. We need some honesty in this business! I am seriously losing trust in Daniel Smith, although I suspect that other brands are guilty of the same thing. Great video again. Thanks.

@noodlecatcountry 4 года назад

I'm so bummed about this, I love moonglow....Thank you for this video! I don't use many convenience colors, just Payne's Gray, Neutral Tint, or Moonglow to save my Ultramarine from running out as quickly. I love that you showed various ways to make a similar color, will definitely be trying it and saving my moonglow for tonal studies and sketchbook work.✌💙🎨

@KimberlyCrick 4 года назад

I was bummed out to find this out as well. I didn't want to believe it at first, so I redid all the tests with new samples just to make sure lol. I was like "nooooooo, but I love this color" :( Though I am thankful it motivated me to play with mixtures. I think I'll use my Moonglow up in sketchbooks too!

@xTK421x 3 года назад

So part of what you're saying is Dan Smith's Moonglow should see a shrink about its separation issues? I know I'm so bad. That was bad. I'm face palming while writing this and my daughter is looking at me and I think she's about to cry.