I see the low hanging fruit there. Matthias did take after his dad with addition to his education. I love seeing the wood working vids, His dad had an awesome old wood working shop that had some tools that out lived him. The saddest thing of all is seeing the skills not being transferred from Dad to son. My Dad has a cabinet shop, I did not like working there cause I wanted to work on electronics and computers. Well now that you get older and wiser, I love working with wood and I do my own wood working. What I miss most is seeing him figure things out and working with the wood to get what he wanted.
I really appreciate this video. Even though the goal is to respond to comments that perhaps were more accusatory than inquisitive the resultant video provided me the opportunity to follow your thought process and learn. Thanks!
Good to see you making videos again. You've improved on your dad's design.. the results are great. That Pant-O-Router is looking like a good shop addition to build- for sure
I had some of those questions myself, watching the first video.... Those are good answers. I can't argue... The chairs are great. I like that you're trying to build more... Very nice.
Your father was a master Carpenter and he had great taste on the design of the chairs and the rest of the furniture that you show in your videos. And you're following on his footsteps. You have great ideas to make all the projects easier that's why I love to watch your videos. Good job👍
Ever since I saw some of my grandfather’s gate and barn door latches in the ‘60’s when I was a kid, I have been impressed with clever, simple solutions. Matthias’ dad’s latches are among the coolest I’ve seen.
@@jamesogorman3287 it is so important to learn how they did things in the past because we think that technology and tools are always better but without electricity we can't use them. In the area where I live we had in the past 15 years two hurricanes the left us without power for like a week each hurricane. So is important to know how to get things done they way they did it a few Generations ago
3:12 Chemically, even if you put a bowl of water in the oven, the steam/air in the oven should still be able to get well above the boiling point of water (ex: you can cook a cheesecake in the oven at 400F with a pan of water inside). It was interesting that the bend worked fine with little moisture, but maybe more steam could help?
It´s very hard to understand why people keep nitpicking and suggesting mainly bad stuff...and may not even made stuff once themselfes. I find it so amazing to build a furniture like a chair (i build a lot myself but only shelfes, bupboards and beds, mainly because i lack any powertools beside a jigsaw and a drill lol) with those great looking curves and it totally looks factory made...i not only wish i could achieve that myself i also whish i had stuff my dad or granddad build...having homemade furniture over generations makes such a cosy feeling for me.
Thanks for responding to comments in a video, that is a cool idea. The only critical feedback I would give you is try not get get offended by people's comments. You seem to get upset at comments or suggestions you deem hair-brained but keep in mind that most of your viewers are far below your level in woodworking, so comments that seem absurd to you are going to happen almost by definition (if they were better than you at it, they wouldn't be trying to learn it from you).
It's not the problem of people making comments and posting honest questions "why did you not ...." It's the problem of those know it all woodworkers, who have never made such things and just post some smartass remarks, in a sense "why didn't you just put this like that and make it like so, that would be much better and easier, oh man are my WW skills really that much better then most of you alls...." These are the comments that are really annoying.
@@bigdirtystinky6783 those types of comments dont deserve a reply. even a negative reply to them is probably encouraging it to happen more because they get a reaction.
When baking bread it is common to put a pan of hot water to increase humidity during the first part of the bake. The water doesn't get above boiling, but the rest of the oven sure does. All the same they came out really well. Looking forward to the next.
To me it almost sounds like you are annoyed by the questions we ask. I don't intend to upset you by asking. I enjoyed this video, it wasn't a filler video for me. I have only had some experience woodworking from school, but I still am interested in it. So, seeing your entire thought process could also be well worth it. Maybe you could screen record the whole CAD-design process for such an item like a chair and then do a voice-over. Or live-stream the whole thing with maybe a limited audience. Seeing as you maybe want some easy to make videos, maybe you could read your old articles to us from a screen-recording. Of course, you could add things that you have not written down. I have to admit I am not the type who would sit down and read such an article, I am far more of a visual learner.
I for one really enjoy these Q&A-type videos. They a lot more in depth info on the decisions that went into the design, and I’m sure they must be fun to make for just the same reason.
If you are looking for more experiment projects, I'd like to see what else could be done with oven heat bending. I never wanted to mess with setting up steam bending, so the oven opens new possibilities. Now I have questions like, which woods work best, how much bend can you add at what thickness, and how much heat is too much?
I think the heated bending went great. Good points on why the ends / transition to sides are the way they are. I suspect some better, CAD modeled and machined tooling would make this all go faster after the development work is done in the workshop.
I think I am a nerd, I am pretty excited about your floor expansion data actually. lol.. well, at least I am not alone! =D Thanks for all your work, I find it interesting!
You can easily have say 400 F in the oven while the water is boiling. It is only if the oven is designed to heat the water only that the temperature would stay at the boiling point until it has boiled off. Nice work.
I was really surprised that the wood didn't crack when bending as it is pretty thick, I did my first bending experiments a month ago for a guitar. the curvature is higher of course, 10 and 13 cm and I failed twice because the wood was too thick and those times it was just 5 and 3 mm thick, I had to go down to 2 mm to get a good result without crack, and I used pinewood which is, I believe, more flexible than oak. Anyway, I'm just a beginner amateur with just a few tools, so I need to learn by mistakes, but Mathias, your work is highly appreciated from my point of view. Kudos for your videos.
@@matthiasrandomstuff2221 oh, interesting. Is it because of the fibers' structure? It's true that pine wood is less dense, so maybe it prevents oak from cracking. One thing I am sure is that oak is much better looking 🙂.
You can maintain the angle of the bend for the tenon; all you need to do it chamfer the mortised post, to match the angle - you'll have a comfortable chair back.
You mentioned you'd use a clamping jig on the pantorouter if you were making a larger quantity. What other changes (if any) would you make to the process if you were making a larger quantity?
If you plan on doing more of those videos (please do!), you might want to add me to your payroll. I have the worst ideas. My exposee: You could've just bought a chair from IKEA. You should have used convection in your oven to heat the wood more evenly. Why didn't you just use screws to attach the rungs? Do I have the job?
I'd like to see you experiment with steam bending. Ive seen people use those fairly cheap steam cleaners like the McCulloch brands and large pipes. I have one that use for cleaning my vehicles and grills that works pretty dang good. I bet you could make some cool videos and then you would have a steam cleaner for around the house.
Using the bending form for support was going to be my suggestion for the sake of keeping the overall shape and preventing the router tip from pushing it away. For the ends of it, I was going to suggest clamping it down against a spacer block to take up the gap between the table and the workpiece. Then I remembered you already got it done and I was just being an armchair warrior, and deleted the comment! (Though I did just retype it again, so... hmm. I think this might be way too much introspection for a youtube comment section!)
@@matthiasrandomstuff2221 I hear ya. I sometimes wish I had an endless source of ideas thrown at me whenever I'm trying to figure out a problem while I'm fabricating something in the shop or working on the car or another project, but weeding out what's a viable and informed solution versus what's just speculative noise... I imagine that's gotten very old over the years for you. For what it's worth though, watching your videos over the last decade or so HAS helped shape a lot of my problem solving and thought process when working on my own projects. Always looking forward to seeing what's next!
Just for the ignorant [me], which technique between heat bending and steam bending produces the most stable shape? Will either distort over time and warp the furniture?
My thing about kitchen chairs is it doesnt really matter about the Back as your leaning forward in them to eat most of the time Then when your not eating your probably not sitting in the chair
You and John are getting quite defensive... Canadian thing... something in your sawdust... or just a natural response to RU-vid viewers' comments? (yes, like this one) I watch FOR your techniques, not the project itself. Your skills speak for themselves. School and daycare in today's world, I don't envy your position. Good Luck!
Matthias, oven don't work as you say: they output some amount of heat that make the water in the bowl evaporate but the ambient air of the oven doesn't stay at 100C until there's no water. That happens inside the water (the water stays at 100C), not in the air inside the oven: the oven goes much higher than that, otherwise there wouldn't be any heat transfer to the water! It's a thermal load so of course it will slow down the overall heating of the oven, it will be longer to reach the set temperature, but it won't stay at 100C until the water evaporates. Especially if it's a fan assisted oven. When the water is about to be completely evaporated, just refill it. If you don't believe that, I challenge you to do a video :) (if you do, pls also measure the air temperature in the oven, not only the water temp)
While I have never baked wood, I have baked many cakes and various buns with either a water bath or water at the bottom of the oven, at temperatures of around 350-375 F (175-190 C) for 30 min or longer and the water was still there even after 1 hour.
My limited bread baking experience agrees with you guys! The water doesn't increase it's temperature because it uses the thermal energy supplied by the oven to break its molecular bonds, but the gases already free in the oven can heat up just fine. The oven ambient will be hotter than the boiling point, if you set it so :)
I've seen chairs where the legs themselves are angled inward to match the curvature of the rungs. Did you consider desingning them like that or did you rule it would create too much trouble in making other parts?
Since spruce is a softer wood will a spruce chair still be strong enough? I know oak is a prettier grained product, just wondering how well spruce furniture would hold up.
Spruce dents a lot, even with paint or poly. Beyond that it holds up fine tho I personally wouldn't make a chair out of it. I have a bed made out of spruce besides the dents it's 8 years old with no issues ends up looking rustic homemade with a bit of abuse. I will say it got significantly lighter weight wise I think it was sappy I used 2x12. A bit of heft is nice for a bed wish it was heavier now my only complaint.
how about twisting the vertical post so the tenon doesn't need to angle into the mortise? Or, does the post need to be square? if it was round(ish) you could have a straight tenon.
MW, you are doing a great job. I can appreciate your responses. I am on a truck forum . There are so many persons, without a clue, offering incorrect advice. I am in a position to know what is correct. I feel that I have to make the corrections, where necessary. All I get for my trouble is name calling and "this is what my Pappy taught me". I want you to know that I appreciate everything you do and I appreciate you. I could not have a You Tube channel because I cannot deal with the overwhelming bunch of morons who have nothing to say and say something anyway. Mark Twain said, "No amount of evidence will persuade and idiot."
If it might be interesting, it actually takes a long time to boil off water from a pot in the oven, but experience tells me the temperature inside the oven will be higher than the boiling point of water (if you set it so :P ). The temperature of the water however stays roughly constant (~373K = 100°C = many Fahrenheits, at 1bar) until it completely boils off. Example: I bake bread, so I need my electric oven to be as hot as possible (~260°C). I use a pot of water to moisturize the chamber so that the crust doesn't become hard as a stone. After 1h in the oven at 260°C, the bread is cooked (so the temp. in the oven was definitely more than 100°C), but my pot of water hasn't boiled off yet. [The temperature of the water in theory doesn't increase because the thermal energy supplied by the oven is being used by the water to break its molecule bonds, and turn into vapour. The gases already free in the oven are instead heated up normally.]
@@EdwardT9 @Pumkinvine 😂 still, wood has been used since stone age. Anything is modern compared to it. I was just suggesting fiber glass cause it can be springy, giving the user of chair, extra comfort
I guess when your that smart it's easy to lose patients with people's dumb ideas. Here in the USA, we have a condition that sometimes causes people to speak (write) before they think, it's quite common actually.
@@matthiasrandomstuff2221 And I'm out. When even a woodworking channel can't stay out of politics, I stay out of woodworking channels. I wish you and the family well.
@@matthiasrandomstuff2221 And like many of his supporters, his feelings are easily hurt and he carries a grudge! Good riddance to him and his fellow fearmongers and haters! Come Nov. 3.
Mathias, not to be rude, but my dad has been 300-350lbs for the better part of my life so he's more than aware of how fragile some chairs can be and I'm surprised so many cheap chairs only support 200lbs to maybe 250 (rated), I was curious how your dad's chairs have held up over the years, have they been reglued? Any failure points? Most chairs I see fail from the joints on the leg braces or where the back meets the seat.
I know of only one that failed over the years. it was kept in a wet basement and the seat expanded too much and pushed the mortise and tenon joints apart.
I think that was a great question, and not rude. I have chairs that are built like these, but the tenons are all smaller and the wrungs between the legs are small. They wobble and creak and I’m constantly regluing them. I weigh 200 lbs. These look more solid, especially the gluing area for all the joints.
